THE BUCK-NAKED BIGOTRY OF TED RALL
Ted “Bottom-feeder” Rall is at it again. His latest crude-toon includes a frame depicting Condoleezza Rice proclaiming herself Bush’s “HOUSE NIGGA.” A black man demands that Rice “HAND OVER HER HAIR STRAIGHTENER.” His t-shirt reads “YOU’RE NOT WHITE, STUPID.” The caption below the frame reads “SENT TO INNER-CITY RACIAL RE-EDUCATION CAMP.”
I am not going to call for a boycott of Rall’s work. No. I want Universal Press Syndicate and the Washington Post and all his other “mainstream” media outlets to keep publishing his pathetic scrawls and scribbles.
Ted Rall, you see, is a very useful idiot. Whereas most on the Left attempt to conceal their liberal racism in the drapery of “diversity” and “multiculturalism,” Ted Rall is an ideological streaker. His impulsive naked bigotry is so butt-ugly, you can’t help but gawk. It is raw and it is real and it is, quite helpfully, all hanging out there for the world to see.
Show us more of your assininity, Ted. Keep dropping your rhetorical pants. Which other minority public figures do you want to mock for having straightened hair? Colin Powell’s wife? Beyonce? Coretta Scott King? Which other independent-thinking, unorthodox minorities do you want to defame for not thinking “white” enough? You wanna send Bill Cosby to “racial re-education camp,” too, huh? Which other minority conservatives are you just itching to tar as “HOUSE NIGGAS” or “HOUSE CHINKS” or “HOUSE SPICS?”
(It’s also valuable, by the way, to see Rall’s mainstream media clients such as the Washington Post continue to stand by him…while at the same time, moan about the lack of civility in public discourse.)
Rall is not the far Left fringe. He gets away with this pen-and-ink-stained excrement because he reflects the closet thinking of mainstream media editors across the country and their mainstream liberal audiences. His work is reportedly carried in 140 newspapers. He and his ilk are everywhere. I grew up with his kind. I went to school with his kind. I work in the media with his kind. I have been getting contempt-filled, profanity-laced, “You-are-a-traitor-to-your-race/You banana/coconut/Aunt Tomasina/white wannabe” diatribes from his kind in my mailbox for the past 12 years.
I’m just glad to see Rall’s kind crawling out from under their rocks and exposing themselves to sunlight. Bask in the glow, miscreants. Ain’t 21st century liberal bigotry liberating? It’s soooo much easier to breathe without those hoods.
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A special request for you enterprising graphic designers/creative types: How about designing “TED RALL THINKS I’M A HOUSE NIGGA,” “TED RALL THINKS I’M A HOUSE CHINK,” and “TED RALL THINK’S I’M A HOUSE (BANANA/COCONUT/SPIC/FILL-IN-THE-RACIAL-EPITHET) etc., t-shirts? I would also love to see an “I’M NOT ‘WHITE’…I’M RIGHT” t-shirt for all of us minority conservatives who have been Rall-ed by leftist bigots.
If you get something up for sale quick at CafePress or the like (doesn’t need to be fancy, just the plain text slogan would be fine), let me know and I’ll buy ‘em, I’ll wear ‘em, and I’ll plug ‘em.
UPDATE: Wow! My peeps work fast! Rachel Jurado, who blogs at Banana Republican, has launched the “Uncle Tom’s Outreach Initiative” at CafePress with a few of the suggested t-shirts and some of her own original work. (I’m going with the cute pink “I’m not ‘White.’ I’m RIGHT” shirt and one of those “Self-loathing race traitor”” cotton t’s. Also gonna do some early Christmas shopping and snatch up some of those ash-gray “RALL THINKS I’M A HOUSE NIGGA” t’s!)
UPDATE: These aren’t for sale (too bad!), but Allahpundit has designed some great Rall-wear, too.
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Rall is just too sophisticated for all of you.
Mahatma:
I WITNESSED Rice’s testimony. She was asked several times over about specific statements that Clarke had made. I challenge you to find where she refuted any of them.
As for Rall, again, RICE, NOT RALL, IS THE SPEAKER in that panel of the cartoon; she is rationalizing why she did what she did. You have to gain perspective of the context of what you are reading and which Rall explicitly gives you in his title {Appropriate Punishemnts For Deposed Bushists.]
Michelle, and most of the others like her who control how information gets disseminated and who, unfortunately dominate the media, count on you to not actually think or consider Rall’s cartoon in its proper context, rather, she wants you to react to it in her’s. Reading this thread, she has obviously succeeeded.
Mahatma:
PS: I am not a democrat. I’m a freedom loving Libertarian which is something that neither the Willing Censors of the PC crowd on the left such as you nor the Free Speecheth For Me But Notest For Thee crowd on the holier than than “right” do not understand.
Rall, Moore, and their ilk are the reason I parted ways with the Democratic Party; 30 years worth at that…
I read through many postings on this blog and was struck by the dominance of name-calling over reasoning or argument. Can any one of you drop the invective and deal with the issues to which Rall’s cartoon pointed? And the issues raised in Fahrenheit 911? Practicing civility has widespread benefits, not only to the one practicing it but to those in his/her company.
El Falls, you don’t need to practise civility to the point where all strongly held opinion is bleached out. My gawd, say something, man (or wotever u b)
Context is everything. A LOT of Black people think Condy is a sellout. That’s why there’s no stink about it from the community (well, that and the fact that it’s clear Rall’s no right-wing sympathizer — a fact also important to the context, kiddies). And it’s not just in consideration of any one particular yap session, but with regards to the body of her work - er, shilling — over the years with Bush.
Even tho most Black folk cock an eyebrow at Colin Powell, he at least garners much more respect within the community b/c the perception is that he is at least willing, from time to time, to buck heads with Bush (or Cheney or Rumsfeld or whomever) on point of principle(s).
You don’t get the same vibe observing Rice. At every turn, she appears to cow tow to her massah, hence the “joke.”
Get it?
Memer, A LOT of black people think any person of color who doesn’t kiss Al Sharpton’s ass on a daily basis is a sellout. Since when are A LOT of black people automatically right? Must we assume they’re right because they’re black? Or because there’s A LOT of them?
My opinion is that A LOT of black people are overly concerned with race and underly concerned with doing what is actually right and necessary. Perhaps A LOT of black people should stop seeing themselves as “black Americans” or “minority Americans” or “disadvantaged Americans” and just start seeing themselves as AMERICANS. Perhaps Dr. Rice has already done so and this is why A LOT of black people think so little of her; she refuses to be defined by “blackness” or “minority status” but instead by her acomplishments alone.
I think another reason A LOT of black people dislike Dr. Rice is because she has set the bar so high they’re afraid they’ll never be able to reach it (I’m sure there are plenty of white supremisist jackasses that feel the same way). She has set the bar so high, in fact, that it drastically lowers the value of the race card; A LOT of black people want to keep blaming “The Man” for all their troubles and Dr. Rice is living proof that ol’ Whitey might not be what’s keeping them down.
As someone realatively new to the center-right I’m continually amazed by the fact that conservatives are far more color blind than liberals (of whom I still associate with many). On the left everything is about “blackness” and “victimhood status”. On the right no one seems to actually care what color your skin is, but only about the quality of your thoughts and actions.
And El Falls, if you would like to see a discussion about “the issues raised in Fahrenheit 911″ you can go here: http://p090.ezboard.com/fbooktalkfrm79.showMessageRange?topicID=2.topic&start=1&stop=20. But I warn you that it’s a couple of really bright moderates and conservatives giving a bunch of leftist Mooreheads a pretty good raking over the coals. About twenty posts into the thread all of Moore’s supporters have been forced to flee the conversation or admit he’s a decietful bastard.
S
The Democrats are allowing themselves to be defined as the party of low-class degenerates. No one doubts any longer that they will stoop to any level. They cannot respect the dignity of their political opponents because they themselves possess no dignity.
When they continue to lose territory and voters, will their response be to move further to the left, yet again?
Nurse, we’re losing the patient. Apply more leeches!
“On the left everything is about “blackness” and “victimhood status”. On the right no one seems to actually care what color your skin is, but only about the quality of your thoughts and actions.”
Wonderfully said Sandor.
If Dr. Rice hasn’t “butted heads” enough with Bush, maybe it is because she has not disagreed with him. Maybe it is because she is professional enough to keep the head-butting behind closed doors. Maybe she is just an ass-kisser. That is what a white person is that goes along with everything his boss says. Just an ass-kisser. No “selling out” or discrediting their race. Though I don’t think Condi is an ass-kisser.
Maybe their are people that themselves believe in “head-butting” for no other reason than stirring up trouble and get their rocks off on calling Condi a cow-towing Niggah to her Massah because she has far more productive things she can do.
Chewydog: Read my second post again, namely the part where I use the word “bigots.”
“Of course, I could just paint all conservatives as homophobes because Rick Santorum called homosexual acts a threat to society and families. After all, he is a political celebrity, so he must at least be representative of everyone in his party! Man, I could have spared everyone so many superfluous sentences if I’d just realized that I could call you bigots and be done with it!
Bigots, all of you!”
If you can look at that paragraph, with its tone in mind, and honestly conclude that I was sincerely accusing people here of bigotry, then it’s a sad day for baseball, sarcasm, and all dogs, chewy or otherwise.
I don’t know what I hate more about Ted, his excrable, stupid politics or his talentless drawings.
KB - Right on about the SPLC..but remember in our PC society only whites can be hate groups..not La Raza, MeCHA or any Farakan spin off groups.
Earl- So if you favor a common sense approach to imigration you are a hater? We’ll then add me to the list..13 million illegal aliens is just too much.
Now back to the Ted Rall cartoon…he is a hack and has been all along. You can’t dishonor other’s just to make a point. And don’t go to the idea that he is an editorialist or satirist…like the saying goes a rose by any other name…His Pat Tillman cartoon was outrageous and so is this one. Ted Rall is to cartooning what Michael Moore is to documentry films…a non-starter. I have seen two of his so called documentries and if anyone tired to make a conservative version the liberal’s would have their own lynching party. To begin with Moore’s camera work is shabby and of poor quality and his editing is designed to express his beliefs…Truth be damned as long as he further’s his own agenda.
One last note Michelle next to Bill O’Reily you are my favorite columnist.
For my part, Noah, I don’t think your comment was prejudice. It was pretty clear that you were being facetious. Furthermore, you seem like a relatively fair-minded guy and a clear thinker. It’s refershing to meet a liberal who doesn’t burst into a chorus of “No blood for oil! Bush = Hitler!” upon confronting conservatives and moderate war supporters.
Not that I agree for a second with your far-too-kind assessment of Rall; I just thought it should be said that your civility and thoughtfullness is appreciated.
I think the major disagrement here is that you’re willing to once again give Rall a pass because his comics fall under the category of “opinion” and perhaps a VERY loose defenition of “art”. Most others here find them so deeply and purposefully offensive that they’re willing to condemn him outright.
I agree with the latter; I have a fairly well-developed ethical compass and I’m willing to navigate by it. But my question to you is this: Can you at least understand where these powerful objections to Rall’s comics are coming from? Are you willing to agree that the things he says can EASILY be seen as offensive and that the criticisms presented here have at least some validity?
S
Malkin is right, there’s nothing fringe about Rall. I work with many educated, intelligent blacks who have nothing but contempt for Condi Rice. These same people defend OJ & Al Sharpton.
The message to their kids is clear: you’re a hero if you’re a thug, a murderer, a wife beater, a fraud, a huckster, or a con artist, but to be provost of Stanford University or National Security Advisor makes you the worst sort of Uncle Tom.
In other words, to excel is to sell out. From the statistics, black youth seem to be getting this message loud and clear.
Liberal racism is nothing new. In 1985, on a long bus trip with my wife’s ski club, I had a conversation with a oh-so compassionate, typical liberal moral supremacist, who suggested that in order to fight the war on drugs, the Army should be sent into the inner-cities and have soldiers with 50 caliber machine guns in every intersection.
BTW, I love baiting liberals, they end up saying and supporting the most outrageous positions. For example, a liberal supported eliminating money as the root of all evil, a position the Khmer Rouge supported but couldn’t carry out even after murdering 1.5 million Cambodians.
Rall may be a “bottom feeder”, but isn’t it odd that he keeps finding Bush administration shills down in the muck to feed on? I would ask what they are doing there.
Has any media outlet inquired of the liberal elite what their thoughts were about the cartoon? I have yet to hear of any. Their silence is deafening.
Michelle, you have every right to be offended. However, you have once again gone for the easy kill.
Slow day?
If you have to explain a joke…man, it’s pretty much a lost cause. Ah well, once more unto the breach…
I’ll try to keep it simple. First things first, yes, Virginia, there are indeed many within the Republican party who think little of Black folk (and other visible minorities). And they’d dislike ‘em with a fierce intensity even if they ARE “accomplished” like Dr. Rice (I note that sandor & co. sidestepped/ignored what I had to say about how Colin Powell, also very accomplished, is regarded. He, too, is a Republican, but not viewed by Blacks in the same way as Rice).
You can always squabble, if you like, about what percentage of the republican party feel that way, but you must needs accept that basic concept first, or there’s no point in going any further. You’d never in a light year get the Rall ribbing here.
A major component of the joke is based on that one simple, unfortunate perception.
Point two: Alright, “sellout” is a big grab-bag term. There are numerous subsets and contextual flavas to it tho. True, if a white person sells out another white person: just another sellout. If a black person sells out another black person: sellout. Black person sells out to a white person: opportunist. White person sells out to Black person: desperado. Black person sells out Black PEOPLE: house n*gga. White person sells out White PEOPLE: priceless.
See, Virginia, there’s a persistent perception among Black folk that joining the Republican party is tantamount to selling out your peeps as (the perception goes) Republicans don’t appear to have Black folks’ interests at heart (or, leastways, far less so than Democrats).
Point three: why don’t you leave it to the people who’d be most sensitive to improper usage of n*gga to decide if it was in poor taste or not. Black people have literally centuries of experience with the term (obviously, on the wrong end of it), so let me posit here that you have to recognize that it at least APPEARS disengenuous for a cabal of White-wingers to jump up and down with cries of “racism” if the n-word is used but while the vast majority of the supposed victims of the term aren’t bothered by it.
(man, that was a long sentence. and…exhale.)
Ok, your comedy school p’fessor is tired. Class (and Malkin’s b.s. case) dismissed.
Noah,
I assume you called for “calm reason” when the leftists lynched Trent Lott? Just go ahead and point me to a link asking your liberal hord for calm reason during that sorry episode. We’ll wait.
Let’s see here. Trent Lott says something that lefties infer was racist and he loses his job. Bryd says the word nigger and gets a pass. (don’t forget he was actually in the KKK).
Right wingers get criticized for the culture of hate and discord while Ted little twit Rall and fat ass woopie goldberg spew the most disgusting things imaginable. Media response other than Fox News and blogs…..nothing.
Personnally, I could care less what low lifes like Ted Rall think. (if I was related to Pat Tillman I’d think about killing him) but short of that, the bigger idiot he makes of himself, the better. The truth is, as long as the devil is a registered Democrat, you’ll continue making excuses for him.
memer:
“I’ll try to keep it simple. First things first, yes, Virginia, there are indeed many within the Republican party who think little of Black folk (and other visible minorities)”
A link to substantiate this claim would be helpful, or is this just your opinionated B.S.
Sandor, thank you for the kind words. I completely understand the outcry stemming from Rall’s cartoon, even if I don’t concur with it.
Jack, I saw multiple stories covering the controversial Kerry fundraiser on both MSNBC and CNN. They didn’t really seem to denounce it, though, considering that isn’t the role of a news program. And heavens to betsy, the Pinko press in Los Angeles covered it as well(check the link below)!
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/2004/la-na-campaign10jul10,1,5f950131.story?coll=la-headlines-elect2004
As for Rall, the response to his strip has been far less visible in the mainstream media because he is not in the mainstream of the Democratic Party. Take it from a flag-burning, gay-enabling secularist like myself (well, maybe not flag-burning): Rall is most definitely left-of-left-of-center.
Again, I don’t speak for other Democrats, so I won’t assume credit for the campaign against Trent Lott. I think that one could assume that his Thurmond remark stemmed from racist nostalgia, especially since Thurmond’s platform wasn’t much more than “keep ‘them’ out of our swimming pools.” However, I don’t think I can conclude fairly that that’s what Lott really meant to support. If Byrd could change, then Lott could change. There’s no difference, and Lott’s apology was enough for me, stupid as his comment was.
Let me be frank here, Jack: you’re willing to kill someone over a comic strip, while I’m willing to accept someone who implied, inadvertently, that ‘they’ shouldn’t be let into our swimming pools. I think I get the blue ribbon for the day. You can get the consolation prize of whatever amount of therapy can help you deal with your underlying murderous tendencies.
Love,
Noah
Nice try, but I clearly said if I was related to Pat Tillman. I’ve read the book of leftist counter pointing and scoff at your sorry attempt at moral superiority.
If my brother was killed in the line of duty (Commander in the Navy) and Ted Rall put the crap in his strip he did for Tillman, I would hunt his ass down and smoke him. Wrap yourself in your “calm reason” blanky to justify your higher lattitude of reason, but don’t think for a minute that the rest of the world has to listen to the disgraceful crap from leftist idiots without doing what they feel they need to do. It doesn’t make me a bad person, quite the contrary. It means I’m willing to stand and fight for what I believe in. Prissy leftist, however, are always willing to fight for what they believe in until someone calls them on it. Then they go screaming about rights, nazis, censorship and the rest of that crap.
At the end of the day, people like you sleep easy because of people like me, not the other way around. Don’t ever forget that.
To me, it’s not really a matter of moral superiority, Jack, but rather utility.
However, let me show you what’s so fundamentally inconsistent about the “hypothetically vengeful” Jack Burton. If you killed someone for defaming someone who, by a contorted, though remotely defensible logic, fought for the offending party’s freedom to do so, you’d not only be a brute, but a hypocritical one at that.
Say this to yourself a thousand times:
“I will fight for your freedom, but if you use that freedom in a way that’s legal but insulting, I will kill you for it.”
Of course, this all comes from what I take to be your implicit view that our armed forces protect our civil liberties from being threatened. If I’ve been presumptuous in this assessment of your beliefs, then I’m fine with rescinding it.
Reasonably calm or calmly reasonable,
Noah
And you didn’t address what I wrote about media outlets aside from blogs and Fox News covering the Kerry celebrity fundraiser. Or was that the hypothetical Jack making a hypothetical point that only had roots in a hypothetical reality?
I’m not sure what comment you want about the Kerry fundraiser???? Some fat pig said horrible things about the sitting President and the news media ignores it.
Once again, nice try. I didn’t say I would be in favor of killing someone for saying something about someone. I said I would do it as a family matter. Nice try making it sound so antiseptic. It’s a blood debt for me and you try and make it sound like we’re talking about someone in Alaska. Again, I’ve read your book and I won’t fall into your leftist debate manual.
The fundamental difference between me, and you (and people like you) is that in your world, any insult, not matter how disgusting, is protected by someone’s right to dissent. In my world, you answer for the crap that your spew. If that means a family member taking vengeance for disgusting insults of the dead, so be it. No matter how you try to spin it, people are accountable for what they do and say, and sometimes that can become rather unpleasant. What people like Ted Rall do is sickening, and the world would be a better place if he wasn’t wasting good oxygen.
It never ceases to amaze me that the people who tout their right to do and say whatever they want do the least of anyone in society to protect those very rights. Do the world a favor and try and repay some of the blood, death and sacrifice that those that you scorn have paid so you can continue to leach off of this country.
Oh, and before I go, here’s a New York Times’ article regarding the negative response to the Kerry fundraiser:
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/10/politics/campaign/10CAMP.html
and another that deals with the subject of celebrity events’ potential for producing off-color remarks that may hurt candidates:
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/10/politics/campaign/10celebs.html.
I hope that those are edifying, even if they don’t come from Fox News or blogs.
you show me one example of someone calling the Kerry campaign on the content of the show. One example of the major media publication pointing out how disgusting it was…..
I’ll wait.
oh, and the NYT quoting the Bush camp doesn’t count.
“I’m not sure what comment you want about the Kerry fundraiser???? Some fat pig said horrible things about the sitting President and the news media ignores it.
Once again, nice try. I didn’t say I would be in favor of killing someone for saying something about someone. I said I would do it as a family matter. Nice try making it sound so antiseptic. It’s a blood debt for me and you try and make it sound like we’re talking about someone in Alaska. Again, I’ve read your book and I won’t fall into your leftist debate manual.
The fundamental difference between me, and you (and people like you) is that in your world, any insult, not matter how disgusting, is protected by someone’s right to dissent. In my world, you answer for the crap that your spew. If that means a family member taking vengeance for disgusting insults of the dead, so be it. No matter how you try to spin it, people are accountable for what they do and say, and sometimes that can become rather unpleasant. What people like Ted Rall do is sickening, and the world would be a better place if he wasn’t wasting good oxygen.
It never ceases to amaze me that the people who tout their right to do and say whatever they want do the least of anyone in society to protect those very rights. Do the world a favor and try and repay some of the blood, death and sacrifice that those that you scorn have paid so you can continue to leach off of this country.”
Jack, pay very close attention to this short timeline:
1) You complained about a lack of news coverage of a “fat pig saying horrible things about the sitting President” outside of blogs and Fox News.
2) I cited a specific instance of a non-blog, non-Fox News publication that did cover the story.
3) You didn’t acknowledge this.
4) I asked why you didn’t acknowledge it.
5) You, puzzled, wondered what kind of “comment” I wanted about the Kerry fundraiser, either unaware that you’d been proven wrong regarding the media’s response or just in total denial.
Now that you’re talking in terms of “blood debts,” I guess I cannot make any further progress in that area. How in the world does your scenario being a “family matter” make it right? Since when is verbal disrespect grounds for killing? Do you go around slapping people with gloves and challenging them to duels, too?
You should take some lessons from less zealously ignorant conservatives, like Andrew Sullivan.
What never ceases to amaze ME is when people try to make me, a liberal, seem accountable for others’ ideas, not because our ideas are necessarily congruent, but rather because we’re both “left of center,” to different degrees. Why not base your generalizations on ideological similiarity rather than perceived political identification?
Antiseptically,
Noah
Jack, what are you looking for in the way of news response: a story covering reactions to the event or editorializing about what took place at the event? The latter’s only appropriate in the Op-ed pages on newspapers or in punditry shows on 24 news networks. Perhaps you want a liberal pundit to call the event an outrage. In that case, I think you’re just being naive. More to the point, of what I’ve seen so far (and I imagine it’s limited), Goldberg’s comments might have been a little blue, but nothing that outrageous.
Wow, you were able to point out that someone other than Fox covered the fundraiser. What I’m looking for is a criticism of what was said. I guess it was a right wing conspiracy when the right went after Bill Clinton. Now, well, people have the right to say whatever they want.
I’m not a conservative. I vote with the party that addresses my two main concerns - one, the military. Two, nationalism. I believe is totally supporting, at all times, the people in uniform who at any given time might be reduced to a smoldering pile of flesh so that we can enjoy our way of life. I also have no use for a world community or anything that people like Kerry believe in. I don’t believe in pushing religion on anyone else and I don’t believe in social conservatism. Whoever, when the choice comes down to liberal who would piss on this country and the military versus conservatives who violate people’s social freedoms, the choice is easy.
Too bad you don’t get your perfect world where you defend the disgraceful behavior of the left without being lumped in with them.
So refering to the President of the United States of America as some kind of genitalia is just a little blue? You just told me all I ever need to know about you.
Your pathetic world of moral relativity makes me sick.
Actually, from what I’ve read, she didn’t refer to the President AS genitalia. That wasn’t the nature of her double entendre, as cliche as it is now, at all.
Moral relativity? How so, JB? I find partisan pubic hair jokes fairly innocuous yet I take issue with killing someone for disrespecting a dead loved one. That seems pretty fair in terms of ethical scale.
And I’m not against having a strong military, nor am I a pacifist, but I think there’s something to be said for the proper use of violence. You can be in the military and lack that kind of sensibility.
Whatever.
It’s the f-ing President of the United States. The most powerful man on earth. The office deserves dignity and respect, regardless of who sits there. Children should aspire to the position.
Instead we get some fat, not funny liberal pig using his name in a reference to pubic hair in an event attended by another man aspiring to the very office. Once again, the fact that you find nothing wrong with that tells me, and anyone following our discussion all we ever need to know about you.
Do everyone here a favor and go back to whatever rock you came out from under where you and your liberal friends can continue to downgrade the honor, respect and dedication of this Country and those who serve it.
Wait? Did I electronically mutter something about returning fire to hostiles using women, children, and holy sites as cover? I don’t believe I did, but maybe “hypothetical Jack” can read things that I don’t type, or maybe not even think!
As far as I’m concerned, no office has inherent dignity. It can have a history of admirable people occupying it, but to endow it with an almost divine quality is a bit too monarchical for my tastes.
And that was a nice attempt at rationalizing the Abu Ghraib incident. If only it made sense outside of the world of “hypothetical Jack.” So far, it’s been shown that a good deal of the detainees were taken in random military sweeps, and fell under three categories, “common criminals,” people suspected of “crimes against the coalition (emphasis on “suspected”),” and a nominal group of “high-value” insurgency leaders. Now, I’m no high-fallutin’ lawyer, but I thought that we weren’t a country that condoned corporal punishment, especially when no legal proceeding, military or otherwise, had established guilt.
This is just getting a bit silly.
Under a rock,
Noah
Then go away and play with some of your less silly friends. I had the misfortune of going to school with people like you in college at a hoity eastern liberal school and you’re all the same. You don’t have any special key to life, you aren’t as smart as you think you are and you certainly don’t represent the ideas of the hard working middle America. It’s why I returned to the Midwest after school. Duty, honor and Country mean something to us where I live, and it’s not a gray undefined line.
As you are such an enlightened scholar, you would know that the two wings where the “alleged abuse” took place housed a far different brand of detainee than the rest of the prison. Folks suspected of direct attacks on American personnel. That may not matter to you since they’re freedom fighters under an illegal operation and they were only killing “baby killers”.
Back to my original point, go away. I’m sure you can find plenty of people who will agree with you at the democratic underground but you won’t find it here.
Oh, and with one final laugh and feeling of disgust, only an idiot would try to infer that the rights afforded citizens of this Country apply to suspected combatants in a detention center in a war zone. Jeez, maybe we should read them their rights before arresting them, or at least when the shooting stops. Do you think our troops give more speeding tickets towards the end of the month to meet quota? Is there going to be a Falluja Cops episode? Well, at least you don’t have to worry about reading a suicide bomber his rights for fear of the judge letting him off the hook.
They were SUSPECTED of direct attacks on American personnel, and even if they were guilty of attacking them, how is it justifiable to humiliate them, whether they’ve the legal rights of this country (capitalizing it for rhetorical purposes is really obnoxious) or not? Answer that.
And you’re a delightful jester, what with your implication that the prisoner abuse was only “alleged.” The photos are pretty damning.
Here’s the fundamental difference between you and I, and I guess it allows us both to sleep well at night. If someone has knowledge that will keep one US soldier from being harmed, I could care less what methods are used to get the information out of them. On the flip side, you would rather have US soldiers die than have some Iraqi, Syrian, etc., harmed in detention. If you have any friends or family in the military, be sure and let them know where you stand. If they wear the uniform, they are at least owed the truth about who their supporters are, and are not.
I’m going to go ahead and guess that you’ve never carried a rifle and your idea of a war zone is a two-for-one sale at Starbucks on a Saturday morning in Seattle.
Do you cuddle yourself to sleep with a Kofi full-sized pillow?
Wait…eastern liberal school? Maybe you’re an alumni of my college! Where did you go to school?
does far above Cuyahoga’s water’s ring a bell?
So, John McCain, who’s been in a warzone, and has even been imprisoned himself, doesn’t support the troops because he called the Abu Ghraib incident inexcusable?
What occurred at Abu Ghraib reflects poorly on the soldiers who were culpable and anyone above them who sanctioned it, not every other soldier in the military.
And I’ll be mighty bitter if a tortured detainee lies just to keep his interrogators of his back, and thus leaves us vulnerable to whatever actual threats exist.
The Democratic Underground is thataway Noah. I know it’s just beyond your grasp, but you will never convince me of anything other than that the best thing for this country is for the people who hate it to leave. Run away little Lemming, the Piper Jean Kerrie is calling.
Tell Alec I said good luck when you get to the great white utopia to the North.
Hey Jack, I think I recognize that ol’ disagree = traitor formula. Just so long as you shutup if the Kerry train plows thru the stalled Bushmobile come Fall.
Next flight to Hypocriteville now boarding. Here’s yer one-way ticket, JB.
Where’s the NAACP, the CBC, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and all the others when you need them? Typical, no where to be found.
Memer,
Same message to you as the pathetic Noah. Go away loser and possibly, find some gay high school students who are more likely to find some kind of traction with your message.
Hypocrite? What an idiot. Unlike you slimy bastards, never once have I nor will I let my beliefs be unknown or gray.
If you don’t support the lives of our troops, you are a traitor and deserve to have you ass shipped out of here. Pathetic little worm, go away and find some lefty lovefest where someone or maybe anyone cares what you think.
I’m sure in your pathetic little lefty mind you’ve noticed that Michelle isn’t a panty-waste sorry lefty and the people around here aren’t really interested in your small thoughts. Be gone little person, forever.
Oh, and one more thing for the crowd. The only thing more pathetic than some liberal crying “look at me” on a conservative website is a canadian liberal doing the same. Hey memer, do us all a favor and stick with your own government. That is, unless you’ve come to realize that canada is just a long fishing trip for Americans with more expensive fishing licenses. Could the reason that you’re so infatuated with our scene be that you realize you have no existance of your own?
Renee: YOU needed the NAACP (et al)? For what? To protect your right to read Rall comix at the front of the bus? I don’t get it.
JB: Gay highschool students?! Niiice. I can see the “conversation” is devolving second by second. I’m not gay (not that there’s anything wrong with it), but I wonder if Andrew Sullivan is under your big, wide Republican tent, too? Or is that all a sham — someone to trot out to show how “inclusive” y’all be?
Alright, so now the formula is against Iraq war = “don’t support the lives of our troops.” Blah blah blah. Yes, JB, because I think the invasion was a horrible idea, it means I want the troops DEAD. My gawd the maturity level in this space.
Ms. Malkin must be so proud to have such eloquent guests at her home.
To answer your other question, I was only here on an exchange program, my friend (there’s lotsa “pathetic” repubs trawling lefty sites, too, or didn’t you know?). But if only you had some real ideas here to trade.
Feh. I came, I saw, I got bored.
This is just a local 7/11 parking lot where half-drunk conservative kids come to hang out and make noise. Not my scene.
So, JB, I’ll do as requested and take my leave. I doubt I’ll be back, but you never know (I’ll bet you’ll miss me ;-).
memes
p.s. Hey, no shame in my game — sure, I’m Canadian, eh? Sometimes (ok, a lot of the time) what you yank-offs do is grreat entertainment for us. Really, it’s killer.
Unfortunately, sometimes things your country does affects us (and many others worldwide) profoundly. We add our voice to encourage and bolster the more sane elements down there. Goodnight Irene, and thanks for all the fish.
Sorry about the gay comment, that was out of line.
You’re still an idiot. It’s bad enough that we have to ignore the rantings of our own homegrown lefties, but it’s worse when a canadian actually thinks that we care what you think.
Sorry what we do profoundly affects you. Trust me, if I could, I’d go back in time and take back WW1 and WWII, as well as 50 years of protecting the world from the USSR. Or did you forget that profound affect the US of A had on the rest of the world as well? Typical, leave in peace and prosperity for 50 years under our umbrella of protection but snipe like the French when the threat is gone.
Maybe you should take up your concerns, or profound concerns, with your government. I’m sure ours would gladly address your concerns, with all the love you’ve been giving us lately.
Turn to page 50 of liberal handbook. “When in discourse with someone who disagrees with you, attack their intelligence. If they don’t agree with you, they must be uneducated”.
Don’t let the door hit ya on the way out, eh.
Although I have to say I did not read all of the postings here, nowhere has anyone just came out and said it. A white man calls an African-American Lady a “nigga” Which I don’t think you could get anymore RACIAL than that. Than to top it off he calls her stupid. So in other words Rall is calling her a stupid nigga.
It makes me wonder why this is the only place I have heard about this.
Why isn’t the media all over this?
mmmmmm makes you wonder, doeasn’t it.
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That must have been taken from the Talk Radio Hosts’ Handbook because that’s all you hear from Rush, Hannity, Ingraham, Savage, Levine, etc etc etc.
Hello Michelle!
As a proud independent Black woman I agree with the spirit of what you are saying. However, “Conservative” pundits like Rush Limbaugh have spilled far more vitriol about minorities and women than Rall ever has. Rall’s commentaries are housed in a satirical tongue-in-cheek world of cartooning, while Rush really means what he says as happy ditto-heads nod in agreement.
So every time Rush says something and racist or sexist does that make YOU a sexist and racist by proxy? Of course not. Such broad brush thinking serves no purpose unless you hold both sides to the same standard. You can’t ask the left to chastiste their pundits for bad behavior unless the right is willing to do the same thing. The best way to lead is by example.
I won’t hold my breath while I wait for either side to get it together, but one can always pray for a miracle.
GsOuPX? I assume that comment was for me? Ummm maybe it did sound like coming from what you call the Talk Radio Hosts Handbook, but first I don’t listen to talk radio, but from what your saying I guess I should. The only thing I can think to say to that is the truth is the truth.
Chaos: You say that you agree with Michelle in spirit, but please bare with me, because I am really trying to understand when it’s ok to use racial slurs against someone. So if your conservative it’s wrong, but if your liberal it’s ok? No wait… maybe that’s not right..maybe it’s if someone is against someone you are, than it’s ok? Or is it only when it’s used in a tongue-in-cheeky sort of way in a cartoon that it’s ok to do it?
You also ask if Rush says something racist and sexist does that make Michelle that way? I agree with you, of course not, but it does make Rush racist and sexist, the same way it does Rall. You talk about holding both sides to the same standard and leading by example. So please show me by example when it’s ok to use racial slurs against anyone.
Hey, pick me, I know the answer to this.
If you are a liberal, you can call New York “Hymie Town” and get a pass.
If you are a liberal you can incite a riot in New York City where Jews are murdered and get away with it. You can also fabricate a rape and assault case against upstanding white police and prosecutors, ruin their lives and reputations, get caught lying, yet go on to actually run for President.
If you are Trent Lott, however, and say something the people infer was racist, you get fired.
Jeez, this all sounds so fair.
“I actually first came to know the term “dittohead” as meaning someone who’s just quick to agree on a common stance, rather than as a loyal Rush listener, so I still use it that way.”
— Noah
“When *I* use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.”
— Humpty Dumpty, in _Through The Looking Glass_ (Lewis Carroll)
http://www.wordspy.com/words/HumptyDumptylanguage.asp
If one is to believe the diaries, journals and other contemporaneous writings of the slave-holding culture, the left’s use of the terms “House Nigger,” “House Nigga” and/or “House Negro” does a great injustice to those slaves, who, in their day, were notorious for smuggling food out to the field hands (”field niggers” to you Rall devotees), helping hide fugitive slaves on their way up the “railroad” and generally making “Massa’s” life a living hell whenever possible. Incorrectly stereotyped first by Malcolm X, and now by the entire “Official Black Cadre of the Ignoranti” these brave souls often risked life and limb to use their favored position within the household to help those less fortunate. They, like all minorities, have been reduced by the left as tools of their own convenience.
Oh, and one other quick note: Ted Rall is an ass-hole. I excrete on his face.
Mrs Malkin thanks for sharing your thoughts. I really appreciated. I’m quite happy to see another Asian American standing up to all this hogwash that I find to be known as “wash’ism”. I’ve come across so many weirdos out there accusing others of their racial association for “selling out” or being “white washed”. I’d rather be white washed than brain washed any day. Keep up the good work, I can’t wait to read another column of yours.
take care
BC: WHAT the truth is, is this: Ted Rall, while being somewhat dispersably published, is an obscure cartoonist that the right wing dominated media has provided more coverage to than he otherwise would have gotten.
When are you folks going to realize that your Orwellian Two Minutes of Hate on the Enemy of The Day doesn’t translate well into a semi-free society? Or, are you just practicing for the day that you can quash all dissent and contrariansim?
If you are a liberal, you can call New York “Hymie Town” and get a pass.
Jackson did not “get a pass” for that comment. In fact, his approval ratings sank and he became even more irrelevant to the national debate at that time - as evidenced by poor showings in the subsequent primaries.
But, I guess if you’re a right wing radio host your “illness” is considered to be a crime any where else.
Ah, please address Al Sharpton’s past since you decided to reply. I’ll be waiting patiently for you to explain that one.
Jesse’s ratings dropped. Are you f-ing kidding me? He’s continued to shake down corporate America with threats of boycotts in all the years since then, making a very comfortable lifestyle for himself despite not appearing to have a job. Please do better next time.
The VP, rightfully, tells someone to f off and the press throws a hissy fit. John Kerry calls one of his Secret Service details a son of a bitch with nary a word from the press. THis is a guy who’s tasked with defending his life. Explain that one while you’re at it.
It’s a double standard across the board.
I love how our response to Rall is our hatred of the day, but Rall is an obscure cartoonist. Get a grip dude.
Michelle: I just found your sight a couple of days ago and have been reading through it, great stuff keep up the good work.
GsOuPx: First let me ask you this, is what Rall did wrong or not? Is it a racial slur, yes or no?
If the answer is yes, than am I right to assume that you think it is ok to use racial slurs against someone as long as it’s just some obscure cartoon in this right wing dominated media, but it wouldn’t be ok if he was really really famous and had lot’s and lot’s of people that would read it each day?
If the answer is no, than I guess we are just wasting time talking about this, because I would assume that you and I have different views on what is racial.
Oh goody!! I have an enemy of the day, oh no wait I thought this was something that I have been fighting all my life. No sir, I am not practicing, I hope what I am doing is working hard to quash all dissent and contrary behavior. When that behavior is racism and bigotry. Because you see, I don’t not live be a double standard.
Jack: could you please post a link or e-mail me where I can read more about what Kerry said to the Secret Service this is something that I would like to add to my Kerry is a idiot file. Which by the looks of this file I’m gonna need a bigger hard drive for my computer.
[[Ah, please address Al Sharpton's past since you decided to reply. I'll be waiting patiently for you to explain that one.]]
Please articulate your logic whereby simply correcting your misstatement makes me a follower of the Porky Preacher With Flat And Processed Hair…I’m bursting with curiousity.
[[Jesse's ratings dropped. Are you f-ing kidding me?]]
No…I’m not. His acute acumen [is that a redundancy or simply an uncomfortable illiteration?] in shaking down Wall Street does not translate into a broader catagory of approval with the general public.
To BC:
I’m a little confused because I never said it was OK to use racial slurs in any instance. I re-read what I wrote and I’m curious where you got that idea. I didn’t say anything that entimated such a sentiment. All I am saying is I’ve noticed a trend where people ON BOTH SIDES will let their own people have a pass while critisizing someone on the other side for the same bad behavior. It is hypocritical no matter who does it.
There is no doubt that Rall’s “joke” was racist and sexist. I didn’t say Rall was being sexist and racist because I thought that was pretty obvious and understood. He could have poked fun at Condi without using her race and gender. However, we can’t ignore the context of the commentary. It was a joke, a poorly executed tasteless joke, but a joke neverthless. When someone like Rush makes sexist and racist comments he means what he says and other people follow his lead. I don’t think anybody takes Rall seriously enough to change their behavior based on the crappy jokes in his cartoons.
To Jack Burton:
I’ll let you in on a little secret. I’ve been called an oreo all my life so I’m not worried about losing any “cool points” for sharing this with you. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are not taken seriously by most sentient Black people. Al and Jesse don’t care about improving the Black community at large, they just use us to further their own personal agendas. So they are recognized as the opportunistic ass clowns they truly are. Most people I know will gladly go to Jesse’s speaking engagements just to listen to him “rap” (or count the number of rhymes in his speech). I kid you not, it’s pure entertainment. The ONLY reason why Jesse and Al retain a semblance of prestige is because WHITE folks assume they are our leaders and treat them as such.
Let’s break it down. For the most part the major media outlets are controlled by white folks (yes, i know this is a grand generalization but work with me…) who are quick to turn to Jesse and Al any time something happens because they are our “leaders” AND give good TV. So Al, Jesse, and the media use each other which allows the illusion that they are our leaders to continue to this day.
On the other hand, Jesse and Al are the favorite whipping boys of conservatives because they overestimate the importance and influence that Al and Jesse have on Black folks. I mean, YOU brought Al and Jesse into a discussion that has nothing to do with either of them. I have to respectfully disagree with you about the hymie-town comment. If I remember correctly Jesse said it in 1983 or 1984 and he still gets flack for it - 20 years later. So I hardly call that getting a pass. The hymie-town comment will follow Jesse for the rest of his life, deservedly so. We need WHITE FOLKS to ignore Jesse and Al if you want them to go away, because they feed off YOUR energy to stay alive. Pretty please? *batts eyelashes*
RE: Trent Lott
I heard Trent Lott’s questionable comments provided a convenient opportunity for the Bush administration to get rid of a troublemaker and make good press at the same time. Bush has stood behind many people who said or did far worse than Lott. He got rid of Lott because he wanted him gone, not because he was a racist.
On the other hand, caustic racists like Jesse Helms enjoyed fruitful political careers untouched. Jesse Helms openly harassed Carol Mosley Braun, a Black senator from Illinois, and expressed a desire to “whistle dixie until she cried.” Why was such playground behavior tolerated? If I had been one of his colleagues I would have taken him to task for acting like a jerk and making Republicans look bad.
As I said before, I won’t hold my breath while waiting for either side to get it together. I think Americans whether they be left, right, or in the middle need to demand better from politicians and media pundits.
God help us this November…
[[I love how our response to Rall is our hatred of the day, but Rall is an obscure cartoonist. Get a grip dude.]]
I’m firmly anchored.
In the other case here, it appears that your grasp of the obvious - how people like Michelle play you for a fool - is only slightly more tenuous than your grasp of logic i.e. as if Ted Rall being obscure would preclude him from your Two Minutes of Hate. The fact that he attacked the adminstration was enough.
“UNseen agents of Goldstein are everywere and must be rooted out as if they are Goldstein himself.”
Nobody plays me for a fool. I believe what I do because of my own beliefs, not because of what someone writes or says. I just happen to read from people who I agree with more than those I don’t. I don’t agree with the religious ranting of the conservative radio guys and I like Alan Colmes, most of the time. Given the choice, however, I go with the lesser of the two evils.
I could care less if Rall the idiot attacks the administration. He attacked our soldiers, and for that I’d like to kick his teeth down his throat. I don’t have much of an opinion of Rice, but if a conservative cartoonist put something like that on paper they would be hung from the nearest lampost. I just think this Country is full of hypocrits, especially on the liberal side.
Finally, please clarify my mis-statement regarding Al so I may retort.
Chaos,
It’s tough to know who the real black leaders are. The media annoints guys like Jesse, and the fact that Sharpton even got in the debates means someone was taking him seriously. Without any counter commentary from the black community, what are we to really know.
I hear the NAACP basically calling Bush the devil since he was elected, and then throwing a hissy fit because he won’t aggress the national convention.
Duh.
While it’s apparent to the liberals, the French and the NAACP that words and insults are just comic barbs or meaningless banter, they mean something to me. If you give someone your word, keep it. If you insult someone, you should be prepared for a response. Maybe I just am looking for a time in the past where people said what they meant and where held accountable for it.
If that meant getting your rear kicked, so be it.
BC
Here you go
http://www.drudgereport.com/kerryid2.htm
[[Finally, please clarify my mis-statement regarding Al so I may retort.]]
It was your misstatement that Jesse paid no price for his Hymietown statement.
[[but if a conservative cartoonist put something like that on paper they would be hung from the nearest lampost.]]
As I said, Rall was an obscure cartoonist who - probably like Moore and Clarke and 1000 others before them -are all grateful for the publicity that they are getting.
[[When asked a moment later about the incident by a reporter on the ski run, Kerry said sharply, "I don't fall down," the "son of a bitch knocked me over."]]
You don’t believe that the word “sharply” is an editorialization?
Chaos: I agree you never said it was ok to use racial slurs, but when you say things like “Rall’s commentaries are housed in a satirical tongue-in-cheek world of cartooning” , to me that comes across as saying: well…..he didn’t really mean it, because than you say that Rush means what he says.
“All I am saying is I’ve noticed a trend where people ON BOTH SIDES will let their own people have a pass while critisizing someone on the other side for the same bad behavior. It is hypocritical no matter who does it” This is a quote from you, and so I go back to what I just wrote.
You also say that Rall’s “joke” was racist and sexist, than you go one to say:
“It was a joke, a poorly executed tasteless joke, but a joke neverthless. When someone like Rush makes sexist and racist comments he means what he says and other people follow his lead. I don’t think anybody takes Rall seriously enough to change their behavior based on the crappy jokes in his cartoons.”
Sorry, maybe I’m wrong, but that sounds to me like your giving Rall a pass.
You say that you’re an independent Black woman, most of the time I don’t like to assume but I will here again. By independent black woman that means you’ve worked hard all your life to get to where you are. So if a middle aged white guy had said this about you at work, but now remember he was just joking, what would you have done?
I wonder how many people read that comic and said to themselves, “yea she’s just a stupid house nigga”
You said you agreed with Michelle in spirit, I would like to ask you some honest questions, what was your thoughts when you first read this cartoon? Did you think it was funny or where you outraged? If someone that supported Bush would have said this about a Black Lady that supported Kerry, would your thoughts have been the same? I ask those question to everybody here.
Let’s go back to your example “You can’t ask the left to chastiste their pundits for bad behavior unless the right is willing to do the same thing. The best way to lead is by example.” I agree totally with that statement as I agree with this- You can’t ask the right to chastise their pundits for bad behavior unless the left is willing to do the same thing.
Thanks for the link Jack. Another one for my file.
How in the hell can you get out of bed in the morning knowing that your job is to take a bullet for John Kerry?
Actually, for any politician. Make it to this stage and you’re certainly a weasel.
[[3) I don't need the word sharply to know that Kerry is a dickhead for saying that. The fact is he said it, word for word. ]]
What if he was laughing when he said it or said it sarcastically?
In your link, you’re reading an account of an account of an account.
[[I don't see how Jesse suffered. Sure he didn't win the presidency, but he wasn't going to win anyway. He has managed to shake down some major corporations, including Coca Cola for hundreds of millions directly to his Rainbow Coalition, which apparently was being used to pay for mistresses. If that's suffering, the I'd like to suffer some as well.]]
Your hyperbole aside, Jesse Jackson strives for relevance. He has none. He had it. He has it no longer.
Well, since Jesse has no relevance yet got several hundred million from corporate America, I’m on the case.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/cussword.asp
Is this good enough for you, or should I keep digging? Waaaa, the truth sure does suck.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/19/politics/campaign/19KERR.html?ex=1395118800&en=590ab40fcd69e13a&ei=5007&partner=USERLAND
Oh God, I actually found an account of the incident in the paper of record for liberals. Or was that an account of an account?