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1. #1
   On July 11th, 2004 at 12:54 am, Mark said:

   He also flip flopped on the issue of the Israeli security fence. In Oct. 2003, he told the a group of Arab-Americans that he opposed the fence. Yet now he supports the fence (and disagrees with the International Court ruling), saying it is vital to Israel’s security.

2. #2
   On July 11th, 2004 at 3:03 am, UML Guy said:

   Is the date on the second piece wrong? February 2003 makes no sense, as the piece talks about a “first legislative defeat” for President Clinton. Should this be February 1993?

3. #3
   On July 11th, 2004 at 4:36 am, Guy said:

   I’m off topic here I know but I am looking for a guest/partner for my blog. Please let me know if you have any tips and if anyone here is interested let me know as well.

4. #4
   On July 11th, 2004 at 5:14 am, Michelle Malkin said:

   UML Guy: You are right. It should be Feb 1993 not Feb 2003. I will fix the date. THanks!

5. #5
   On July 11th, 2004 at 5:44 am, Noah said:

   Wait a second! He changed his position over the course of eleven years?!?! Why, you’d think that he reviewed the issue some time between 1993 and 2004 and come to the conclusion that the prohibition was wrong!

   Since some of your readers like lumping people of what they perceive as like political persuasions, let me pose this question: given that Kerry allgedly “flip-flopped,” with an eleven-year gap between the “flip” and the “flop,” on the prohibition, would you say it’s fair to consider Bush’s shift from a refusal to offer North Korea incentives to disarm to a willingness to offer them, in the span of less than two years, a “flip-flop?” Maybe you should also address his dismissal of peace summits as a means of addressing the Israeli/Palestinian conflict, followed by a 180-degree shift the next year.

   The “flip/flop” strategy works in particular instances, I think, but for discerning voters, it must be laughable to see any major politician riding the charge that their opponent is inconsistent.

6. #6
   On July 11th, 2004 at 6:02 am, Noah said:

   Also, as a minor technical note, if “flip-flop” is an expression of temporal linearity, with “flip” denoting the first action, and “flop” as the action that follows, then what you describe in this entry is a “flop-flip.” You so crazy, Michelle.

7. #7
   On July 11th, 2004 at 9:27 am, beautymrgn said:

   I don’t understand. Is he looking to lift the ban to temporarily give HIV positive people a set amount of time to be in the country so we can host a conference (and then they leave) or is he looking to lift the ban in it’s entirety? It’s not clear from what is posted.

8. #8
   On July 11th, 2004 at 9:57 am, jane ashton said:

   I agree with what Bill Clinton said on his blog.
   http://billclintondailydiary.blogspot.com
   Discriminating against people with HIV is against the constitution. The ban is a shame on all of us.

9. #9
   On July 11th, 2004 at 9:59 am, Marshall said:

   Noah – ahhh, the old “well you’re guy does it too” defense. John Kerry flip flops on issues so much that it’s become a bit of a joke even on the left. Bill Clinton was the master of telling each group exactly what they wanted to hear, but Kerry doesn’t have the personality to talk out of both sides of his mouth and get away with it. (That’s a compliment to your candidate, so don’t get mad.)

   Noah, you so gullible!

10. #10
    On July 11th, 2004 at 10:12 am, Noah said:

    Marshall, in an election, you tend to vote for a candidate based on a perceived superiority over his or her rivals. You know, you COMPARE them. If people wish to make Bush out to be a better candidate than Kerry because of Kerry’s “inconsistency,” particularly when it comes to policy shifts over the course of a decade (a decade, for Mel Gibson’s sake!), then it’s only fair to note that “their guy” speaks on both sides of an issue, too, and within much smaller, and arguably less justifiable, spans of time.

    Wackness.

11. #11
    On July 11th, 2004 at 11:44 am, Dale said:

    Noah is right on this one. A span of several years is enough to have review the issue and change a position. After all, most democrats start off being pro-life and after years of pro-abortion money review the issue and decide the baby really is nothing more than a lump of tissue.

12. #12
    On July 11th, 2004 at 12:03 pm, Noah said:

    Hell, the pro-choice lobby only had to give me a sandwich, and I was sold.

13. #13
    On July 11th, 2004 at 2:19 pm, BTA said:

    Noah -

    FDR and all your Democrat buddies were bombing the hell out of Germany and Japan back in ’45. Today, you consider them allies. What gives? Talk about a MAJOR flip-flop.

14. #14
    On July 11th, 2004 at 7:54 pm, onecent said:

    Discriminating against people with HIV is against the constitution. The ban is a shame on all of us.

    Discrimination? Every country has the right to set its immigration standards whether it be illiteracy, age, cost to taxpayers, etc. Immigration isn’t a right. Unconstitutional to whom? The immigrant? They aren’t subjects of the US Constitution. And if a country and its taxpayers decide that a costly and communicable disease requiring intense medical management for a person’s lifetime isn’t desirable, so be it. Or do you naively think that most immigrants arrive here with private insurance in place?

15. #15
    On July 11th, 2004 at 9:05 pm, Dale said:

    Noah,

    Was that a dead baby, er lump of non-descript tissue, sandwich the pro-aborts gave you?

16. #16
    On July 11th, 2004 at 9:12 pm, Dman said:

    Noah,I agree that people can change their positions but comparing a static position with a non static situation to defend you argument is intellectually dishonest. What specifcs are different now in the HIV/immigrant issue than they were 10 years ago. I don’t think comparing that issue to the ever evolving North Korea situation or the ME situation is even close to a logical comparison.

17. #17
    On July 11th, 2004 at 9:12 pm, thedragonflies said:

    Kerry is a flip-flop because he has the mind of an academic- i.e. he sees all sides of an issue and will expound forever on all the nuances. Problem? Can’t decide which of the ten thousand truths that he knows is the central truth.

    Bush has the mind of a leader. See the center of the problem and act on it.

18. #18
    On July 11th, 2004 at 9:17 pm, KB said:

    So what’s the big deal? All they have to do is enter illegally like everybody else, and they will be protected by all of the “sanctuary” policies in force by local governments and medical facilities around the country. Then they can live here without fear and get free medical care to boot.

19. #19
    On July 11th, 2004 at 9:34 pm, Noble Eagle said:

    If Kerry explained why he changed his position, it would make him look like less of a flip-flopper (flop-flipper to you, Noah). Odds are he’d just deny ever having supported the ban or find some dissembling way to pass off his previous vote. Either way, I’ll just crack open a beer and enjoy the show.

20. #20
    On July 11th, 2004 at 11:28 pm, Homer said:

    Just a quick question, what kind of pork fat was tacked onto this bill. I’m not gonna go digging for it, but it’s a matter of public record that nearly every bill that goes to the hill has a lot of fat attached. And many times, bills get voted against for the fat that’s on it, not the content of the bill. It’s a common tactic on both sides of the aisle that if a Bill they don’t like rolls through to tack stuff onto it that will either get it more votes, or take away votes. Without more information, this really isn’t a flip flop IMHO. Just more white noise.

21. #21
    On July 11th, 2004 at 11:41 pm, h0mi said:

    Was this the only vote on this specific issue? I can’t believe this didn’t come up again sometime after 1993.

22. #22
    On July 12th, 2004 at 6:04 am, memer said:

    His FULL record, not that any of you are interested, on AIDS/HIV is here: http://www.aidsvote.org/profile_kerry.html

    Ten years (plus) later, he’s changed his mind on one aspect, but the overall motivation and sentiment has never wavered.

    Do you really want a president who NEVER changes his mind on ANYTHING? If you want to be a free thinker, look at the full circumstances and not selective slices. THINK for yourself, dangit.

23. #23
    On July 12th, 2004 at 7:51 am, ronnii said:

    Thanks to the ones you refer to as flip-floppers. It is time that people learn from past mistakes and change their mind.
    In the early day of HIV/AIDS people thought they could catch it just looking at a person infected.
    Things change.
    It’s time for you right-wing extremists to realize that you were all wrong on the bush war. It’s time to change and look at reality not the fictitious reason the bush sent us into the war.
    You will never convince me that there were not lies and mis-representations that got us to where we are. Bush did not ask ‘Who did this?” (9/11 attack), he ask “Find out that Saddam did this”.
    And
    “Mr. Rumsfeld, did your office allow torture at Abu Ghraib” Answer: I
    “I did not give a direct order”.
    That was not the question.
    LIARS All of them

24. #24
    On July 12th, 2004 at 11:04 am, Chris said:

    Jesus, the term “unconstitutional” gets thrown around so much anymore it has almost lost meaning. It has become a buzz word, used to the point of desensitizing people to it. I used to consider questions of constitutionality to be of prime importance. Now it doesn’t even turn my head. Hell, obviously some people think you don’t have to be a tax-paying citizen of the United States, or even currently residing in the United States to be protected by its mandates.

    Everyone should think of the little boy who cried wolf before they yell “Unconstitutional!” anymore. People are starting to not take it seriously.

25. #25
    On July 12th, 2004 at 1:28 pm, peter said:

    ronnii said

    LOL …. good one “ronnii” anyone who doesn’t “think” like you needs to change their mind. Spoken like a true “believer.”

26. #26
    On July 12th, 2004 at 1:31 pm, peter said:

    let’s try that again without losing the quoted section ….

    ronnii said >>It is time that people learn from past mistakes and change their mind. …..
    You will never convince me that there were not lies and mis-representations that got us to where we are <<

    LOL …. good one “ronnii” anyone who doesn’t “think” like you needs to change their mind. Spoken like a true “believer.”

27. #27
    On July 12th, 2004 at 1:36 pm, GsOuPx said:

    Flip Flopper In Chief

    1. Social Security Surplus

    BUSH PLEDGES NOT TO TOUCH SOCIAL SECURITY SURPLUS… “We’re going to keep the promise of Social Security and keep the government from raiding the Social Security surplus.” [President Bush, 3/3/01]

    …BUSH SPENDS SOCIAL SECURITY SURPLUS The New York Times reported that “the president’s new budget uses Social Security surpluses to pay for other programs every year through 2013, ultimately diverting more than $1.4 trillion in Social Security funds to other purposes.” [The New York Times, 2/6/02]

    2. Patient’s Right to Sue

    GOVERNOR BUSH VETOES PATIENTS’ RIGHT TO SUE… “Despite his campaign rhetoric in favor of a patients’ bill of rights, Bush fought such a bill tooth and nail as Texas governor, vetoing a bill coauthored by Republican state Rep. John Smithee in 1995. He… constantly opposed a patient’s right to sue an HMO over coverage denied that resulted in adverse health effects.” [Salon, 2/7/01]

    …CANDIDATE BUSH PRAISES TEXAS PATIENTS’ RIGHT TO SUE… “We’re one of the first states that said you can sue an HMO for denying you proper coverage… It’s time for our nation to come together and do what’s right for the people. And I think this is right for the people. You know, I support a national patients’ bill of rights, Mr. Vice President. And I want all people covered. I don’t want the law to supersede good law like we’ve got in Texas.” [Governor Bush, 10/17/00]

    …PRESIDENT BUSH’S ADMINISTRATION ARGUES AGAINST RIGHT TO SUE “To let two Texas consumers, Juan Davila and Ruby R. Calad, sue their managed-care companies for wrongful denials of medical benefits ‘would be to completely undermine’ federal law regulating employee benefits, Assistant Solicitor General James A. Feldman said at oral argument March 23. Moreover, the administration’s brief attacked the policy rationale for Texas’s law, which is similar to statutes on the books in nine other states.” [Washington Post, 4/5/04]

    3. Tobacco Buyout

    BUSH SUPPORTS CURRENT TOBACCO FARMERS’ QUOTA SYSTEM… “They’ve got the quota system in place — the allotment system — and I don’t think that needs to be changed.” [President Bush, 5/04]

    …BUSH ADMINISTRATION WILL SUPPORT FEDERAL BUYOUT OF TOBACCO QUOTAS “The administration is open to a buyout.” [White House spokeswoman Jeanie Mamo, 6/18/04]

    4. North Korea

    BUSH WILL NOT OFFER NUCLEAR NORTH KOREA INCENTIVES TO DISARM… “We developed a bold approach under which, if the North addressed our long-standing concerns, the United States was prepared to take important steps that would have significantly improved the lives of the North Korean people. Now that North Korea’s covert nuclear weapons program has come to light, we are unable to pursue this approach.” [President's Statement, 11/15/02]

    …BUSH ADMINISTRATION OFFERS NORTH KOREA INCENTIVES TO DISARM”Well, we will work to take steps to ease their political and economic isolation. So there would be — what you would see would be some provisional or temporary proposals that would only lead to lasting benefit after North Korea dismantles its nuclear programs. So there would be some provisional or temporary efforts of that nature.” [White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan, 6/23/04]

    5. Abortion

    BUSH SUPPORTS A WOMAN’S RIGHT TO CHOOSE… “Bush said he…favors leaving up to a woman and her doctor the abortion question.” [The Nation, 6/15/00, quoting the Lubbock Avalanche-Journal, 5/78]

    …BUSH OPPOSES A WOMAN’S RIGHT TO CHOOSE “I am pro-life.” [Governor Bush, 10/3/00]

    6. OPEC

    BUSH PROMISES TO FORCE OPEC TO LOWER PRICES… “What I think the president ought to do [when gas prices spike] is he ought to get on the phone with the OPEC cartel and say we expect you to open your spigots…And the president of the United States must jawbone OPEC members to lower the price.” [President Bush, 1/26/00]

    …BUSH REFUSES TO LOBBY OPEC LEADERS With gas prices soaring in the United States at the beginning of 2004, the Miami Herald reported the president refused to “personally lobby oil cartel leaders to change their minds.” [Miami Herald, 4/1/04]

    7. Iraq Funding

    BUSH SPOKESMAN DENIES NEED FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR THE REST OF 2004… “We do not anticipate requesting supplemental funding for ’04″ [White House Budget Director Joshua Bolton, 2/2/04]

    …BUSH REQUESTS ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR IRAQ FOR 2004 “I am requesting that Congress establish a $25 billion contingency reserve fund for the coming fiscal year to meet all commitments to our troops.” [President Bush, Statement by President, 5/5/04]

    8. Condoleeza Rice Testimony

    BUSH SPOKESMAN SAYS RICE WON’T TESTIFY AS ‘A MATTER OF PRINCIPLE’… “Again, this is not her personal preference; this goes back to a matter of principle. There is a separation of powers issue involved here. Historically, White House staffers do not testify before legislative bodies. So it’s a matter of principle, not a matter of preference.” [White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan, 3/9/04]

    …BUSH ORDERS RICE TO TESTIFY: “Today I have informed the Commission on Terrorist Attacks Against the United States that my National Security Advisor, Dr. Condoleezza Rice, will provide public testimony.” [President Bush, 3/30/04]

    9. Science

    BUSH PLEDGES TO ISSUE REGULATIONS BASED ON SCIENCE…”I think we ought to have high standards set by agencies that rely upon science, not by what may feel good or what sounds good.” [then-Governor George W. Bush, 1/15/00]

    …BUSH ADMINISTRATION REGULATIONS IGNORE SCIENCE “60 leading scientists—including Nobel laureates, leading medical experts, former federal agency directors and university chairs and presidents—issued a statement calling for regulatory and legislative action to restore scientific integrity to federal policymaking. According to the scientists, the Bush administration has, among other abuses, suppressed and distorted scientific analysis from federal agencies, and taken actions that have undermined the quality of scientific advisory panels.” [Union of Concerned Scientists, 2/18/04]

    10. Ahmed Chalabi

    BUSH INVITES CHALABI TO STATE OF THE UNION ADDRESS…President Bush also met with Chalabi during his brief trip to Iraq last Thanksgiving [White House Documents 1/20/04, 11/27/03]

    …BUSH MILITARY ASSISTS IN RAID OF CHALABI’S HOUSE “U.S. soldiers raided the home of America’s one-time ally Ahmad Chalabi on Thursday and seized documents and computers.” [Washington Post, 5/20/04]

    11. Department of Homeland Security

    BUSH OPPOSES THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY…”So, creating a Cabinet office doesn’t solve the problem. You still will have agencies within the federal government that have to be coordinated. So the answer is that creating a Cabinet post doesn’t solve anything.” [White House spokesman Ari Fleischer, 3/19/02]

    …BUSH SUPPORTS THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY “So tonight, I ask the Congress to join me in creating a single, permanent department with an overriding and urgent mission: securing the homeland of America and protecting the American people.” [President Bush, Address to the Nation, 6/6/02]

    12. Weapons of Mass Destruction

    BUSH SAYS WE FOUND THE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION…”We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories…for those who say we haven’t found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they’re wrong, we found them.” [President Bush, Interview in Poland, 5/29/03]

    …BUSH SAYS WE HAVEN’T FOUND WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION “David Kay has found the capacity to produce weapons.And when David Kay goes in and says we haven’t found stockpiles yet, and there’s theories as to where the weapons went. They could have been destroyed during the war. Saddam and his henchmen could have destroyed them as we entered into Iraq. They could be hidden. They could have been transported to another country, and we’ll find out.” [President Bush, Meet the Press, 2/7/04]

    13. Free Trade

    BUSH SUPPORTS FREE TRADE… “I believe strongly that if we promote trade, and when we promote trade, it will help workers on both sides of this issue.” [President Bush in Peru, 3/23/02]

    …BUSH SUPPORTS RESTRICTIONS ON TRADE “In a decision largely driven by his political advisers, President Bush set aside his free-trade principles last year and imposed heavy tariffs on imported steel to help out struggling mills in Pennsylvania and West Virginia, two states crucial for his reelection.” [Washington Post, 9/19/03]

    14. Osama Bin Laden

    BUSH WANTS OSAMA DEAD OR ALIVE… “I want justice. And there’s an old poster out West, I recall, that says, ‘Wanted: Dead or Alive.’” [President Bush, on Osama Bin Laden, 09/17/01]

    …BUSH DOESN’T CARE ABOUT OSAMA “I don’t know where he is.You know, I just don’t spend that much time on him… I truly am not that concerned about him.”[President Bush, Press Conference, 3/13/02]

    15. The Environment

    BUSH SUPPORTS MANDATORY CAPS ON CARBON DIOXIDE… “[If elected], Governor Bush will work to…establish mandatory reduction targets for emissions of four main pollutants: sulfur dioxide, nitrogen oxide, mercury and carbon dioxide.” [Bush Environmental Plan, 9/29/00]

    …BUSH OPPOSES MANDATORY CAPS ON CARBON DIOXIDE “I do not believe, however, that the government should impose on power plants mandatory emissions reductions for carbon dioxide, which is not a ‘pollutant’ under the Clean Air Act.” [President Bush, Letter to Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-NE), 3/13/03]

    16. WMD Commission

    BUSH RESISTS AN OUTSIDE INVESTIGATION ON WMD INTELLIGENCE FAILURE… “The White House immediately turned aside the calls from Kay and many Democrats for an immediate outside investigation, seeking to head off any new wide-ranging election-year inquiry that might go beyond reports already being assembled by congressional committees and the Central Intelligence Agency.” [NY Times, 1/29/04]

    …BUSH SUPPORTS AN OUTSIDE INVESTIGATION ON WMD INTELLIGENCE FAILURE “Today, by executive order, I am creating an independent commission, chaired by Governor and former Senator Chuck Robb, Judge Laurence Silberman, to look at American intelligence capabilities, especially our intelligence about weapons of mass destruction.” [President Bush, 2/6/04]

    17. Creation of the 9/11 Commission

    BUSH OPPOSES CREATION OF INDEPENDENT 9/11 COMMISSION… “President Bush took a few minutes during his trip to Europe Thursday to voice his opposition to establishing a special commission to probe how the government dealt with terror warnings before Sept. 11.” [CBS News, 5/23/02]

    …BUSH SUPPORTS CREATION OF INDEPENDENT 9/11 COMMISSION “President Bush said today he now supports establishing an independent commission to investigate the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.” [ABC News, 09/20/02]

    18. Time Extension for 9/11 Commission

    BUSH OPPOSES TIME EXTENSION FOR 9/11 COMMISSION… “President Bush and House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) have decided to oppose granting more time to an independent commission investigating the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.” [Washington Post, 1/19/04]

    …BUSH SUPPORTS TIME EXTENSION FOR 9/11 COMMISSION “The White House announced Wednesday its support for a request from the commission investigating the September 11, 2001 attacks for more time to complete its work.” [CNN, 2/4/04]

    19. One Hour Limit for 9/11 Commission Testimony

    BUSH LIMITS TESTIMONY IN FRONT OF 9/11 COMMISSION TO ONE HOUR… “President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney have placed strict limits on the private interviews they will grant to the federal commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks, saying that they will meet only with the panel’s top two officials and that Mr. Bush will submit to only a single hour of questioning, commission members said Wednesday.” [NY Times, 2/26/04]

    …BUSH SETS NO TIMELIMIT FOR TESTIMONY “The president’s going to answer all of the questions they want to raise. Nobody’s watching the clock.” [White House spokesman Scott McClellan, 3/10/04]

    20. Gay Marriage

    BUSH SAYS GAY MARRIAGE IS A STATE ISSUE… “The state can do what they want to do. Don’t try to trap me in this state’s issue like you’re trying to get me into.” [Gov. George W. Bush on Gay Marriage, Larry King Live, 2/15/00]

    …BUSH SUPPORTS CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT BANNING GAY MARRIAGE “Today I call upon the Congress to promptly pass, and to send to the states for ratification, an amendment to our Constitution defining and protecting marriage as a union of man and woman as husband and wife.” [President Bush, 2/24/04]

    21. Nation Building

    BUSH OPPOSES NATION BUILDING… “If we don’t stop extending our troops all around the world in nation-building missions, then we’re going to have a serious problem coming down the road.” [Gov. George W. Bush, 10/3/00]

    …BUSH SUPPORTS NATION BUILDING “We will be changing the regime of Iraq, for the good of the Iraqi people.” [President Bush, 3/6/03]

    22. Saddam/al Qaeda Link

    BUSH SAYS IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEEN AL QAEDA AND SADDAM… “You can’t distinguish between al Qaeda and Saddam when you talk about the war on terror.” [President Bush, 9/25/02]

    …BUSH SAYS SADDAM HAD NO ROLE IN AL QAEDA PLOT “We’ve had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved in Sept. 11.” [President Bush, 9/17/03]

    23. U.N. Resolution

    BUSH VOWS TO HAVE A UN VOTE NO MATTER WHAT… “No matter what the whip count is, we’re calling for the vote. We want to see people stand up and say what their opinion is about Saddam Hussein and the utility of the United Nations Security Council. And so, you bet. It’s time for people to show their cards, to let the world know where they stand when it comes to Saddam.” [President Bush 3/6/03]

    …BUSH WITHDRAWS REQUEST FOR VOTE “At a National Security Council meeting convened at the White House at 8:55 a.m., Bush finalized the decision to withdraw the resolution from consideration and prepared to deliver an address to the nation that had already been written.” [Washington Post, 3/18/03]

    24. Involvement in the Palestinian Conflict

    BUSH OPPOSES SUMMITS… “Well, we’ve tried summits in the past, as you may remember. It wasn’t all that long ago where a summit was called and nothing happened, and as a result we had significant intifada in the area.” [President Bush, 04/05/02]

    …BUSH SUPPORTS SUMMITS “If a meeting advances progress toward two states living side by side in peace, I will strongly consider such a meeting. I’m committed to working toward peace in the Middle East.” [President Bush, 5/23/03]

    25. Campaign Finance

    BUSH OPPOSES MCCAIN-FEINGOLD… “George W. Bush opposes McCain-Feingold…as an infringement on free expression.” [Washington Post, 3/28/2000]

    …BUSH SIGNS MCCAIN-FEINGOLD INTO LAW “[T]his bill improves the current system of financing for Federal campaigns, and therefore I have signed it into law.” [President Bush, at the McCain-Feingold signing ceremony, 03/27/02]

28. #28
    On July 12th, 2004 at 2:02 pm, memer said:

    LOL! I guess two can play the ol’ selective slice game, eh?

    Ahhh, good ol’ Monday afternoon humour.

29. #29
    On July 12th, 2004 at 2:05 pm, GsOuPx said:

    I believe #23 to be the biggest “Whoa, Nellie” ever in politics…at least in my 46 years…

    Of course, the liberal media was all over him for that one…

    /sarcasm

30. #30
    On July 12th, 2004 at 2:38 pm, Dman said:

    46! I was guessing more like 13.

31. #31
    On July 12th, 2004 at 2:49 pm, GsOuPx said:

    First Rule Of The Theater: Play to the level of your audience…

32. #32
    On July 12th, 2004 at 4:29 pm, Lee said:

    It’s not about flip/flop. It’s about stupid political policy, which will soak the taxpayers for the health care costs of treating these individuals!!!

33. #33
    On July 12th, 2004 at 8:24 pm, mierdetet said:

    Michelle does this flip flop in bed? Probably not.

    She is a flop in bed, though