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Terror in the Skies, Again? (Parts 1 & 2) by Annie Jacobsen has sparked an interesting debate in the blogosphere.
As could be expected people are largely split into two camps:

The first camp, led by Michelle “The Marauder” Malkin, believes that th…

The story of Northwest Flight 327 on June 29 is making the rounds in the blogosphere. I’ve read the original article; I’ve seen blog entries about it, and related stories, at MicheleMalkin.com, A Small Victory, and The Moderate Voice. Joe…

I think it should be understood by Arab’s in America that we are acting with reason and prudence and watching, documenting and questioning Arabs who are acting suspicious.

I’m not asking Arabs to bear any further burdens than understanding that we as members of the human race are destined to pay attention to “patterns” and if Arabs want to erase that “pattern” they need to try to cleanse themselves as best as they can so they can raise their own families and live in peace (from our watchful eyes).

Here is the key Kathy. If Arabs don’t want to “bear that burden” then they don’t have to but they should understand that we are smart and prudent and reasonable and WE WANT SECURITY and therefore paying attention to patterns (so-called profiling) is what people will call for as reasonable, prudent and smart.

Unfortunately it is U.S. policy to not pay attention to patterns and to that end we are wasting resources, making ourselves less secure and aren’t acting smart.

We all hope for the pattern to be broken. We’d all love utopia and security.

Again. If it were elderl Polish women who committed the atrocites of the 1993 WTC bombing, Embassy bombings, Cole bombing, September 11th and many other terrorist acts you’d better believe that security personnel as well as Americans would be MORE INTERESTED in the activities of elderly Polish women.

To call those of us who are prudent, reasonable and smart racist (you might not have but others have) is a card that shouldn’t be played in the free exchange of ideas. The use of names like racist is intended to shut people up and INTIMIDATE.

My question is: should Arab-Americans be asked to bear burdens that other Americans don’t have to share? Burdens could include racial profiling or the assumption that they need to be questioned more than any other type of American. Burdens could also include the assumption that Arab-Americans are more likely than other Americans to be hiding a criminal or someone with criminal intent.

I understand that some say that racial profiling is either not a burden or is a necessary burden that Arab-Americans must accept. Having met someone who is always searched at airports (research “David Nelson”: because of one criminal D.N. all D.N.’s in the US get searched each time they fly), and for other reasons I believe that always being searched is a burden and a hardship. To tell someone “you will always be treated as if you are a criminal at the airport- in front of friends or family- because you have a tainted name” is wrong. I don’t want any American to be treated that way, to be treated as anything but an individual.

And I then argue that racial profiling is dangerous- because if we’re doing racial profiling then we aren’t doing random searches, and random searches are safer. Profiles = a pattern, and patterns can be broken.

George Bush on almost every issue tries to split the difference between a conservative and a liberal and manages being LEFT OF CENTER.

For instance – For non-religious reasons I don’t agree with the federal government spending on stem-cell research. It wasn’t something intended to be spent on by the federal government in the constitution. I believe that stem-cell research could be done better and more efficiently by private companies. If a company could meet DEMAND for a CURE by inventing the SUPPLY for the cure with stem cells they could and would. Umbilical cord stem cell research has already been responsible for 40 uses/cures.

Unfortunately in George Bush’s quest to please and not ruffle feathers he tried to split the middle and allowed for federal government spending on stem cell research with a limited array of stem cells and current stocks of stem cells. What did that buy him from the left? More vitriol and hatred and name calling.

Many of us conservatives (or centrists) who are to the left of libertarians but to the right of liberals and I believe common sense centrists wish that enough was enough and know that there is no pleasing the press, liberals and the communists, and the socialists.

If it means killing, relying on force, or slander the left tries to “control” with an iron fist.

Read the Road to Serfdom for an understanding of how the left leads to the worst atrocities in the worlds history and an understanding of how capitalism (people choosing who gets what resources – the definition of capitalism) is what is responsible for prosperity, doing good works of charity (feeding the poor), and cleaning up the environment (as we are able to prosper and care about our environment but poor nations are not even able to do things like provide for sheltor and food not to mention care for their surroundings/environment).

I said so much. Sorry.

Keep speaking. You do more for common sense centrists like Michelle Malkin, George Bush and I than we could dream of.

Communism in China is responsible for millions of deaths in order to keep the system going. There is a small taste of freedom going on right now and under the table trade and limited ownership (I have friends who are Chinese who have reported to me such). In recent years we have seen a sharp uptick in the use of resources such as wood and steel as prospertity is increasing the standard of living in China dramatically. These facts will impact America greatly.

Kathy (not getting it),

It’s not a ancestry issue. It’s a numbers game. It’s the fact that whole communities are filled with hate have hate filled teachings to their young and it is very easy for any one of them to say “enough is enough” and report their brothers and sisters. To keep making it an “ancestry” issue is to continue to not get it. Sorry. I’m trying to be blunt to make my point. I wish you would get it.

You put words in people’s mouths. Nobody is saying we have to “go up to” Arab’s and ask them or accuse them of hiding anyone. But estimates by muslims themselves say that 10% of their own people are extreme Western Civilization haters who want us irradicated. 1 in 10. I would expect that anyone who is coming across that 1 in 10 would WANT TO MAKE LIFE BETTER for themselves by reporting and turning in the extremists among them so that they can raise their families and live in peace. That was my last try with you. Please don’t put words in my mouth or say that I’m saying something that I’m not. I wish you’d get it. I didn’t say that individuals aren’t responsible for their behavior. I wish I could get through to you because I have libertarian leanings but am not as extreme (libertarians believe in a cut in government of 80% – I would advocate for a continuation of current spending with reprioritatizations for the next 10 years because a cut would hurt the economy even though it would be preferable if starting from scratch).

Alex,
It has gone way past “questioning the president”. Please be serious. In a time of war the people on the left are accusing Bush of lying, betraying the country, leading us to war to enrich his friends, etc. It is plenty OK to be against the war in Iraq, but why can’t the left be against the war without having to resort to “UNTRUTHS” and really endangering this country’s national security in the future.

Deep-vein thrombosis, a blood clot in the legs, is caused by sitting for long periods of time. It already killed a news reporter in Iraq. We need to watch out for things like these as well as terrorism.

why do I want random profiles? Here’s Bruce Schneier– tell me how his argument is wrong, because as I wrote in a different thread, if there is a pattern to how we screen, then anyone who knows the pattern can avoid the pattern. ONLY random searches prevent this. Bruce writes:

” Profiling has two very dangerous failure modes. The first one is obvious. Profiling’s intent is to divide people into two categories: people who may be evildoers and need to be screened more carefully, and people who are less likely to be evildoers and can be screened less carefully.

But any such system will create a third, and very dangerous, category: evildoers who don’t fit the profile… [and also] Evildoers can also engage in identity theft, and steal the identity — and profile — of an honest person. ***Profiling can result in less security by giving certain people an easy way to skirt security***”

“There’s another, even more dangerous, failure mode for these systems: honest people who fit the evildoer profile. Because evildoers are so rare, almost everyone who fits the profile will turn out to be a false alarm. This not only wastes investigative resources that might be better spent elsewhere, but it causes grave harm to those innocents who fit the profile.”

Baklava, to answer you from another thread- I’m Libertarian (and our current candidate imo just isn’t the guy to get the message out) so either possible result in November isn’t a win for me.

Go read about Krar- a real Texas terrorist. I don’t expect Texans to
take responsibility for him because there isn’t any such thing as collective blood guilt. I didn’t expect Russian-Americans to apologize for the “death to America” (what else are 10,000 nuclear missiles?) attitudes of the Soviet Union. I don’t expect French-Americans to apologize for the French government’s behavior. I don’t expect Cuban-Americans to apologize for Castro.

Certainly, if you specifically know a criminal you have the responsibility to act. But I don’t want nor expect any group of Americans to bear additional burdens because of who their ancestors are or who their ancestors are related to.

I don’t want Arab-Americans (many of whom are Christian or other religions, as a side-note) to bear any additional burden or responsibility that other Americans don’t have to bear. This is because I don’t believe in collective guilt AND because I believe they are behaving just like all other Americans in reporting criminals. Just as I don’t expect Mexican-Americans to have to bear responsibility for the existance of illegal immigrants.

I don’t believe that Arab-Americans are more likely than anyone else to be knowingly hiding a criminal. I don’t believe I have the right to go up to an Arab-American and say “I bet you’re hiding someone. You know a potential murderer and aren’t telling anyone. I bet this because you’re of Arab ancestry.” (And I wouldn’t say this to a Mexican-American either, that “I bet you’re hiding an illegal immigrant”). That’s why I don’t want profiling. I want random searches.

I believe individuals are responsible only for their own behavior, and for knowing about the potential acts of their immediate circle of family and friends.

Yup sure would have been nice to get some more information from Anne in this article but there are some nuggets here.

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Not really. The economic boom that is happening in China as we speak is because of the privitization of state owned industries and newly capitalistic forces at work there. Communism as an economic system didn’t work and is being phased out.

“If “Middle Eastern Looking” men are to be questioned on sight in airports, why stop there? What about shopping malls?”

After they blow up a few shopping malls, they can be questioned there too. And after a few car bomb explosions in the heart of Manhattan, you can bet that Arab nationals driving cabs will be scrutinized too. Maybe you’ve missed some specific information since 9/11, but its’s not just anybody trying to kill us. It’s a pretty obviously identifiable group. Being questioned and given additional scrutiny is far different than being capriciously incarcerated.