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1. #1
   On July 20th, 2004 at 9:34 am, Greg said:

   Right on!

   I mean how *dare* they give a non-liberal viewpoint! Dont they know that the steford anchors are always right?

   So when will they sue ABCNBCCBSCNN… for deceptive advertising in calling what they spew forth ‘News’?

2. #2
   On July 20th, 2004 at 9:35 am, Frank J. said:

   All the different liberal media outlets, and they’re all in a tizzy over one news channel that may have a story every so often about guns that isn’t entirely negative.

   It would be nice if these people were a little introspective and realized that, while they’re reacting to Fox News, Fox News was made as a reaction to the bias of the rest of the media.

3. #3
   On July 20th, 2004 at 9:38 am, Vanyogan said:

   Well good luck with this “silly suit”. There is a study that says Fox Special Report is the most balanced news show on television.

   RE:http://mason.gmu.edu/~atabarro/MediaBias.doc

4. #4
   On July 20th, 2004 at 9:49 am, Marshall said:

   The problem to everyone is one of context. When you are used to watching/getting news from the established outlets that are all overwhelmingly liberal, then all of a sudden comes a news outlet that just reports the news, of course it’s gonna look conservative.

   Think of a scale from 1 to 10. 1 being ultra liberal, 10 being ultra conservative. All our news pre-Fox came from about point 2 or 3. Now Fox comes in and delivers at about a 5 and it has them screeming! I love it!

5. #5
   On July 20th, 2004 at 10:07 am, L. Grattan said:

   Maybe John Edwards would like to represent these two groups against Fox.

6. #6
   On July 20th, 2004 at 10:08 am, mhking said:

   If ever there were an arguement for “loser pays” legislation, this is it.

7. #7
   On July 20th, 2004 at 10:15 am, vanyogan said:

   Marshall raises a good point. I still remember the first time I watched FOX News. I couldn’t believe the way they framed it. It seemed way out there. After I watched it a while I realised that even though I was a conservative, I was programed with a liberal paradigm for news. Not that I agreed with it, but that I was simply not used to words and phrases that didn’t fit the liberal news paradigm.

8. #8
   On July 20th, 2004 at 11:07 am, SDH said:

   Michelle,

   I believe firmly that sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

   http://orsa.blogspot.com/2004/07/time-to-sue-for-big-bucks.html

9. #9
   On July 20th, 2004 at 11:37 am, BC said:

   I would say Common Cause is a joke, but they are serious,they need to clean up their own backyard before they even think about suing Fox news. I mean come on, citizens working to end special-interest politics, they are special-interest politics. That’s from just looking over their site for a few minutes, and reading their report “What went wrong”, their so called report about the Iraq war. There is no telling what kind of special interest political crap is in that web site if you take the time to read it all.

10. #10
    On July 20th, 2004 at 11:39 am, Baklava said:

    Perspective. This is what this is all about.

    It is important for leftists to understand the perspective of people on the right (if they did they would understand that we aren’t against the poor, environment, etc - we have different solutions to tackle the problems that we think would work better)

    It is also important for people on the right to try to understand people on the left. I think we do a better job at trying to understand people on the left (partly because we are force fed it from so many angles).

    But when a network comes along like Fox (which isn’t right wing) for leftists to label it a right-wing network shows that leftists DO NOT have perspective.

    Here is the key leftists: Let people on the right define themselves and try to understand their perspective. Then you might find that George Bush and Fox News are not to the right but actually trying to be centrists and split differences. Before you laugh, try to understand that perspective.

    Conservatives and libertarians and others on the right define themselves. To lump George Bush or Fox News in our camp and then dismiss them does a disservice to you and keeps your mind closed.

    I’ve used the stem-cell research as a prime example. It’s a new issue that hasn’t been debated for decades.

    George Bush tried to split the middle by allowing for GOVERNMENT funding of stem-cell research on a limited array of stem-cells (a remaining stock of embryo stem-cells). What did that buy him from the left? Vitriol and hate.

    But what is the conservative opinion? Conservatives and libertarians (who aren’t coming from any religious perspective) don’t understand why there should be ANY GOVERNMENT funding of stem-cell research. It isn’t provided for in the constitution and we understand that there are many private companies out there who would love to meet the DEMAND for a cure by inventing the SUPPLY for a cure through the use of stem-cell research. And 40 uses/cures have been found already by umbilical cord stem cells. Interestingly 0 uses/cures have been found by embryo stem cell research. Private research and development most usually provides for a more efficient use of dollars than government funded research and development (with rare exceptions).

    How did Fox News report on all of this? Well… Fox News reported the liberals criticism with the intensity that they wished for almost. And then they found some people to counter the criticism so the debate on Fox News CENTERED on the criticism (which was religious-right oriented) and the countering of that criticism.

    I don’t remember one time where Fox News just had a conservative or libertarian on there questioning why it should be the governments’ role to fund this research in the first place. So to label Fox News as right of center is laughable to us centrists, and people on the right. COME TO US FOR A DEFINITION of people in the center or right. Let us define ourselves so that you can better see how news organizations like Fox News fits in.

11. #11
    On July 20th, 2004 at 11:59 am, Xrlq said:

    Contrary to its inappropriate headline, the story does not say they are “suing” anybody. They filed a frivolous complaint with the FTC, which isn’t going anywhere.

    Too bad, really. Assuming that New York has a SLAPP law, actually suing FoxNews for something this stupid would be a good way to end up paying FoxNews’s attorney bills.

12. #12
    On July 20th, 2004 at 1:07 pm, Kevlar said:

    Digital brownsuits, anyone?

13. #13
    On July 20th, 2004 at 1:37 pm, KB said:

    So let me get this straight: Far more people prefer Fox News over CNN, MSNBC, etc. The fact that more people watch Fox means Fox is eminently more popular than the other liberal bitter and angry stations. I would wager that most viewers of Fox became disillisioned with the liberal and selectively edited garbage from CNN and Co. Therefore, MoveOn is upset that most people have watched one or more news channels, have made an informed opinion, and have chosen to watch Fox. To the MoveOn members who did this, are you still bitter that you werent part of the popular clique in high school? And we also must wonder - is this what tactics we can expect in a liberal administration? How dare you make your own informed choices! WE tell you what’s good for you, sheeple!

    What’s next, suing the radio stations that carry Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity because MoveOn is upset that people prefer to listen to them instead of the embarrassment called AirAmerica?

14. #14
    On July 20th, 2004 at 1:48 pm, Mad Mikey said:

    Some groups just have way too much time on their hands….

15. #15
    On July 20th, 2004 at 2:05 pm, Russell Wardlow said:

    I live in a student co-op in Berkeley and my house voted to host a showing of the “Outfoxed” movie. Then the MoveOn people passed out petitions demanding that the FCC prevent Fox from calling itself fair and balanced.

    I couldn’t help but laugh out loud, and told them while they were at it, they should get the FCC on NBC’s case for using the slogan “Must See TV”

    http://floydthechimp.blogspot.com/2004/07/night-with-move-on.html

16. #16
    On July 20th, 2004 at 4:10 pm, Martin aka Blogbat said:

    Nice poke, Russell. And then there’s CNN who basically is the mouthpiece for Moveon.org. I suppose their new motto could be “Must Agree TV”.

    So you have all of these liberal news networks and then Fox News. You would think, if the peaceniks were as peaceful as they tell the rest of us we have to be, they would celebrate the diversity.

    However, Liberals, true to their socialist genome must enforce adherence and conformity to their line of thinking– to their groupthink. I am convinced the Left would eventually have gone after Fox News even if it were a marginal player: after all, they went after the Televangelists in the 80’s (who provided them with the ammo). The Left only grows more shrill as they see that not only does the possibility exist that people will get another point of view from fox (Leftists have a real fetish for potential actions of opponents and often confuse them with real-life actions).

    The reason we see this pitch of battle is precisely because the Left KNOWS that Fox News big and is, actually, allowing a liberating of the culture from the shame-game of the Libs. People are starting to see contrasts and questioning CNN’s line of reasoning about what’s news and what ideas are morally supreme. The Left sees the country doing precisely what it did when it re-elected Ronald Reagan: whenever given the choice, thumbing their nose at the tired old Liberal rhetoric which prefers to aid our enemies both communist and islamofascist instead of counting all of our blessings living in this great and prosperous land.

    The Left, as usual, has show themselves as the warped, frustrated old men that they are. I therefore dub this battle: “Fox News Vs. Mr. Potter”.

17. #17
    On July 20th, 2004 at 4:11 pm, Strat said:

    This complaint is just liberal resentment trying to find itself a news blurb to get back at Fox for being #1. Dont’ forget, libs love power more than principles.

    I used to work at the CNN Center (not for CNN). At the time, the CNN employees were always in a huff about the fallout from that bad merger with AOL. There were layoffs galore. To top it off, I kid you not, Fox News had a rented billboard facing the CNN Center from right across Marietta Street that proclaimed their newly crowned #1 status as a cable news channel. It think it might still there.

    Everyday, worried about losing their jobs, the tip-tops at the CNN Center had to look out of their windows at that sign staring them right in the face, its shadow touching the building like an ill-omen for liberals everywhere.

    There was a lot of weary, defeated, brow-beaten liberal resentment there. I bet a lot of those fired CNN people are supporting Common Cause. Power over principles, even after they lost it.

18. #18
    On July 20th, 2004 at 4:17 pm, Mike said:

    Everyone should read the beautiful statement from Timothy Muris of the FTC regarding this suit.

    http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2004/07/moveon.htm

19. #19
    On July 20th, 2004 at 4:29 pm, James Kotthoff said:

    Mike,
    LOL…well so much for the complaint…I would say that since Fox is the #1 cable news network in the country that the American people have decided the case already

20. #20
    On July 20th, 2004 at 4:41 pm, NickJenkins said:

    Sheesh, MoveOn is paying lawyers now to get them PR.

    I didn’t know taglines could be illegal.

21. #21
    On July 20th, 2004 at 4:57 pm, Stefan said:

    Still, it wouldn’t be so bad if Fox lost. It could always start using “Unfair and Imbalanced” as a substitute slogan….

22. #22
    On July 20th, 2004 at 5:39 pm, Russell Wardlow said:

    Eh, like everything else MoveOn does, this is principally about whipping up the troops for campaign contributions and activism, so I’m sure they were aware how silly this all was. Still, the fact that they would resort to ugly authroitarian regulatory activity, even frivously, is emblematic of their character and philosophy.

23. #23
    On July 20th, 2004 at 5:59 pm, James Kotthoff said:

    Stefan,
    Huh? So it is your view that Fox is Unfair and Unbalanced? Let me guess there is no mainstream media bias but Fox is a rightwing tool.
    Interesting concept…

24. #24
    On July 20th, 2004 at 6:00 pm, James Kotthoff said:

    Stefan,
    Huh? So it is your view that Fox is Unfair and Unbalanced? Let me guess there is no mainstream media bias but Fox is a rightwing tool.
    Interesting concept…

25. #25
    On July 20th, 2004 at 7:19 pm, Acme said:

    AOL is doing a poll about Fox and Fair and Balanced. Go vote. So far, Fox is ahead.

26. #26
    On July 20th, 2004 at 9:07 pm, Sheep said:

    Does this post seem familiar to any of you?

    Wow, Michelle, you’re absolutely right. You’re the best and I agree 100% with everything you say. Although a post isn’t really required in this case, I love making jokes with my fellow sheep about your latest piece and how everyone except us is so stupid. It’s great being part of a club!

27. #27
    On July 20th, 2004 at 10:19 pm, BradDad said:

    Fox won’t use “Unfair and Unbalanced” -

    they’re not going to pay you the royalties.

28. #28
    On July 20th, 2004 at 11:31 pm, Old Patriot said:

    I won’t comment about “Fair and Balanced”, but the actions of Moveon.org prove once again that the people there are mentally unbalanced, and not just to the left.

29. #29
    On July 21st, 2004 at 10:33 am, BC said:

    Fox News slogan should be:

    FOX NEWS; Where we scare the hell out of liberals

30. #30
    On July 21st, 2004 at 2:43 pm, Cool Tester said:

    These guys remind me of Lionel Hutz from the Simpsons:

    This is the greatest case of false advertising I’ve seen since I sued the movie The Never Ending Story.