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1. #1
   On July 22nd, 2004 at 7:14 pm, Joel (No Pundit Intended) said:

   John Kerry is blanketing himself in the myth of being a uniter, while perpetuating the segregation of American citizens into segments which must be pandered to individually.

2. #2
   On July 22nd, 2004 at 7:24 pm, Martin aka Blogbat said:

   He who lives by the sword, dies by it. That’s what you get when you start singling out any ethnic group and campaigning to them. With the exception of egregious civil rights violations and the candidates who wished to expose them in times of yore (i.e. Abe Lincoln, for you slavery advocates who didn’t know of any valid demonstration) I think this is another example of why pandering is bad form.

   I am a quarter English- my grandfather immigrated here (legally) from England (yes, he even learned the language ;-)), where’s my official John Kerry lipstick on my buttocks/Botox)?

3. #3
   On July 22nd, 2004 at 7:29 pm, The Liberal Avenger said:

   Yo soy George W. Bush y yo apruebo este anuncio.

4. #4
   On July 22nd, 2004 at 7:42 pm, Martin aka Blogbat said:

   Oh yes! And it does apply to both candidates, Liberal Avenger. I know you don’t want to hear it, but the only ones who think otherwise are Liberals and “Closet-Liberals”. The rest of us know it makes no sense to pick your top-five favorite ethicities, which would be the paramount racism. And to make this point, I suggest all of us sue our local governments and force them to put the native languages of all our ancestors on the ballots this year! (Evil grin)

5. #5
   On July 22nd, 2004 at 8:26 pm, Gmac said:

   I’m thinking LA (aka, cannon fodder) would have a hard time getting “incoherent babble” put on any ballot. Perhaps San Fran would do it but I think they have just done away with ballots, like they have laws, and so it would be acceptable because the mayor said so.

6. #6
   On July 22nd, 2004 at 8:31 pm, Brian C said:

   I know this is off topic, but I saw you on Fox News today, and you did a great job!

7. #7
   On July 22nd, 2004 at 8:33 pm, Martin aka Blogbat said:

   Why weren’t you at work, Brian :p j/k

8. #8
   On July 22nd, 2004 at 8:42 pm, Expertise said:

   I’m surprised he hasn’t, however, and I wouldn’t be surprised to see some ass-kissing after this complaint.

   Has anyone seen the black power fist picture by Kerry? This man would kiss the asses of the most fundamentalist Islamists if it got him elected. He is truly a disgusting man.

9. #9
   On July 22nd, 2004 at 9:13 pm, chip said:

   “It sends a message to ethnic communities that some are more important than others,”

   ******
   It also sends the message to plain old regular folks that they are not as important as hyphenated americans. I mean really - I have yet to see an advertisment targeting 25-year-old Southern Baptist male husbands. I bet you there are as many of us as there are of (insert any given special interest group here). Rant off.

   Chip

10. #10
    On July 22nd, 2004 at 9:13 pm, chip said:

    “It sends a message to ethnic communities that some are more important than others,”

    ******
    It also sends the message to plain old regular folks that they are not as important as hyphenated americans. I mean really - I have yet to see an advertisment targeting 25-year-old Southern Baptist male husbands. I bet you there are as many of us as there are of (insert any given special interest group here). Rant off.

    Chip

11. #11
    On July 22nd, 2004 at 11:06 pm, Baklava said:

    Which begs the question…

    What percentage of Asian-Americans vote for Democrats and Republicans?

    My guess is that it’s a 50/50 split.

    Anybody know the figures?

12. #12
    On July 22nd, 2004 at 11:12 pm, Mark Framnes said:

    Greetings,

    My experience with the Filipino communities here in the states is I am guessing 50/50 is not too far from it. I was with a bunch of Filipino doctors on July 4 and most of them were Republican voters and my guess with Edwierds on the ticket there are even more now. My wife’s family in Toronto voted for the Conservatives in their last election and the group here in Northeast Wisconsin seem to be fairly evenly divided.

    Key Hmong leaders in our area are also Republican oriented. However, I am not at all tight with the Hmong community here so have no feeling how they vote or lean.

13. #13
    On July 22nd, 2004 at 11:17 pm, RepJ said:

    I would like for my children to grow up in a world where they are not judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.

14. #14
    On July 22nd, 2004 at 11:30 pm, The Liberal Avenger said:

    Baklava:

    I think the “split” occurs across class and geographic lines, similar to the population as a whole.

    Speaking of which, there is a fascinating breakdown of the “red vs. blue” states at:

    http://www.electionprojection.com/data.html

15. #15
    On July 23rd, 2004 at 12:37 am, John Jainschigg said:

    I think we’ve missed something, here. The excerpt from the San Fran Chronicle said that “Asian American _media leaders_ complained that the [Kerry] advertising campaign excluded their publications and programming, giving the impression, etc.”

    This isn’t “multiculturalist entitlement whining.” There’s no larger ideological agenda, here. This is a bunch of newspaper and magazine publishers and broadcast station-owners cynically playing a race-card in order to get a piece of Kerry’s advertising budget.

    I’m not sure this makes the thing any less nauseating. But it’s just “by any means necessary” capitalist strong-arming. Not … y’know … Socialism.

16. #16
    On July 23rd, 2004 at 2:14 am, Joel said:

    I am also feeling left out. As a German-Swedish-Norwegian-Irish-French-British-American, why has Kerry not reached out to the German-Swedish-Norwegian-Irish-French-British community? Now I must vote against this racist, non-incusive John Kerry.

    but seriously…..

    At least when Democrats pander, they do it successfullly. That’s why Kerry and the Democrats get about 90-95% of the black vote even though Bush has about the same views on affirmative action quotas as Kerry.

    And even though Bush alienated his conservative base with his amnesty for illegal immigrant plan, he is doing WORSE among Hispanic voters than he did in 2000. Anyone reading vdare.com or Steve Sailer’s blog has known that Bush’s “hispandering” will result in a big net loss of votes for him this November.

17. #17
    On July 23rd, 2004 at 3:27 am, Martin aka Blogbat said:

    John Jainschigg said,

    “This isn’t “multiculturalist entitlement whining.” There’s no larger ideological agenda, here. This is a bunch of newspaper and magazine publishers and broadcast station-owners cynically playing a race-card in order to get a piece of Kerry’s advertising budget.”

    But wait, wouldn’t that indicate some sort of media bias among those outlets? The NY Times told me the only journalists who were biased were over at Fox…shocking revelations abound….

18. #18
    On July 23rd, 2004 at 3:35 am, Martin aka Blogbat said:

    I forgot to add something to what Joel said. I think the reason the Dems are so successful at pandering is because they have no problem lying. Republicans traditionally have had more trouble at this, although I’m sure practice makes perfect.
    Bush is proving he wasn’t born in Texas- if he had been, he would care that the culture and traditions that have made Texas unique in the world are fast disappearing. This renowned culture has been enjoyed by black and white “Texians” as well as hispanic “Tejanos” for well over a century. There are many things to bemoan about illegal immigration. For me right at this moment it happens to be the inevitable demise of a properly prepared brisket :p

19. #19
    On July 23rd, 2004 at 8:37 am, Christopher said:

    Chip, if you’re a 25 year old Southern Baptist male husband, you’re never going to see advertisements pitched to you. To the Democrats, you’re a knuckle-scraping, negro-dragging, Bible-thumping, hood-wearing card-carrying member of Posse Comitatus who whips his chillun with the end of a belt and keeps his Promise Keepers-brainwashed wife barefoot and pregnant.

    On a good day.

    And the GOP won’t pander to you, because, after all, where are you going to go? God forbid they appeal to their base. Better to run ads in Spanish to get the miniscule portion of Hispanics the left hasn’t vacuumed up with their promises of eternal victimhood and free government money than point out the GOP is the party of pro-life, pro-religion, pro-America voters.

20. #20
    On July 23rd, 2004 at 9:21 am, Chip said:

    Christopher

    You are quite correct. But hey, everyone is allowed to belly-ache every once in a while.

21. #21
    On July 23rd, 2004 at 10:14 am, Surge said:

    “Chip, if you’re a 25 year old Southern Baptist male husband, you’re never going to see advertisements pitched to you. To the Democrats, you’re a knuckle-scraping, negro-dragging, Bible-thumping, hood-wearing card-carrying member of Posse Comitatus who whips his chillun with the end of a belt and keeps his Promise Keepers-brainwashed wife barefoot and pregnant.” Christopher

    Stereotypes work both ways. To some conservatives and liberals, especially the “controversial” social pundits/commentators, Latinos are all a bunch of lazy, welfare-leeching, gang-banging, America-hating, Spanish-only speaking, baby-making, back-stabbing inept strains on tax-paying Americans incapable of self-sufficiency in American society.

    One person’s “reaching out to minority communities” is another’s “pandering to whining self-serving so-called minority leaders.

    Funny how that works, huh?

22. #22
    On July 23rd, 2004 at 1:05 pm, Baklava said:

    JUST FOR THE RECORD,
    The conservative and libertarian message applies to ALL Americans. Nobody needs to doubt that our message applies to every ethnicity.

    But…. The progressive/liberal message is that we need to:
    1) Take from those who are successful
    2) Give to those who aren’t providing for themselves (Everybody believes in a safety net but conservatives don’t believe that able-bodied people don’t have to work)
    3) Pander the above compassion to those groups who are perceived to need it.
    4) Government can provide for everyone from cradle to grave and there is no need for any more “PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY”.

    You see folks - there is a scale. Let’s just say that 0= Communism and 10 = Capitalism.

    Being a “nation of laws”, with a “safety net”, we could (I believe be a nation on the scale between 8 or 10. The definition of capitalism is “the people choosing who gets what resources”. What that would do is make us an even MORE successful and prosperous nation that can even BETTER take care of things like the environment (the poorer a nation is the more it has to focus on JUST feeding and sheltering people and the environment suffers).

    HOWEVER, we have been for approximately 4 decades or more a nation between 2 and 7 depending on what sector of the economy you are looking at. What does that do? That depresses our economic output which translates into higher prices and lower standard of living than this country is capable of.

    On a scale like that the closer you get to the 0 (in your thinking), the more prone you are to play race politics because your frame of mind is to see what the government should be providing for your group. The closer you are to 10 in your thinking the more it is understood that personal responsibility matters and if you are able bodied you can provide for yourself. And as long as people aren’t violating anti-discrimination laws we shouldn’t be looking at equalizing outcomes because to try to do so would be applying preferential treatment to one group which causes racial divisions and hard feelings.

23. #23
    On July 23rd, 2004 at 2:22 pm, Martin aka Blogbat said:

    Well, the dirty little not-so-secret fact of the matter is that the Left doesn’t care about the races or the environment or women’s rights or any of their other so-called issues. Those of course are simply front issues they use as long as it suits them. They are quickly discarded as soon as they’ve outlived their usefulness. Take for example any time a Leftist body has taken over governmental power. Look at the so-called “Great Society” and the utter failuer of welfare and public education and opportunities for ethnic minorities. A better example would be the Soviet Union where all of the above applied, and then some. Chernobyl anyone? And what about ethnic minorities and women? Well, they were only afforded opportunity when it suited the State, but not so much as to threaten the ruling Russian class in the Kremlin. And I believe one famous Communist rather famously also coined a telling phrase: useful idiots. Useful to them, of course. So surge, you’d better be making yourself useful or it’s OFF TO SIBERIA FOR YOU! :p Da Zverdanya.

    Also,
    Chirtopher, yours was a fun read. Good form.

24. #24
    On July 23rd, 2004 at 2:53 pm, John Furutani said:

    I have one comment to Martin aka Blogbat. In a former incarnation, I worked to increase minority student attendance at a health sciences center. I was therefore exposed to the following items:

    1) Former head of the state civil rights commission saying he intended to take the white man for everything he could.

    2) Grant principal investigator (Black) declaring that since Asians were not under-represented in medicine, they were not a target population under his grant (since I’m Asian, I’m pretty sure his remark was not candidly logical, but veiled racism).

    3) Comments by Public Health Service officials as to increasing minority representation in the health sciences–but in the context, clearly focused on Blacks as opposed to Asians & Latinos. This may have been because the overwhelming # of officials in the PHS geared towards this effort (at the time) were Black, with a smattering of Latinos.

    So the Left DOES care about the races–but it may be cynical in some circles and self-interest in the other.

25. #25
    On July 23rd, 2004 at 2:57 pm, Tony said:

    /sarcasm
    I don’t see what they’re complaining about. Kerry’s relationship with the Asian community goes back a long way. Of course, back then, he was shooting at the Asian community from Swift boats, but that’s close enough, right?
    /sarcasm

    Feh, this is what I hate about ethnic politics - Asian Americans are hardly some monolithic, unified political group.

26. #26
    On July 23rd, 2004 at 3:27 pm, Martin aka Blogbat said:

    John, not a fun-sounding place to work, my friend.

    I think we’re saying the same thing though when it comes to this matter. The Left pretends to care so long as its useful. To the useful idiots, the Left seems to care. There are varying ranks of useful idiots, some middle management, one might say. Some, if not many of these folks whose acquaintance you had the unpleasant displeasure of making truly felt it was time for favor. In the same way, the Islamofascists truly think they have recognition despite the fact we know them to be pawns. Hence the term, “useful idiot”, someone who is so brained-dead they don’t even know they’re being used. Or, to borrow a line from a movie, “I see useful idiots. They’re everywhere. They walk around like everybody else; they don’t even know that they’re useful idiots. ;p

27. #27
    On July 23rd, 2004 at 5:07 pm, Surge said:

    “Comments by Public Health Service officials as to increasing minority representation in the health sciences–but in the context, clearly focused on Blacks as opposed to Asians & Latinos. This may have been because the overwhelming # of officials in the PHS geared towards this effort (at the time) were Black, with a smattering of Latinos.

    So the Left DOES care about the races–but it may be cynical in some circles and self-interest in the other.”

    Posted by John Furutani at July 23, 2004 02:53 PM

    I’ve got a great example from our wonderful free-market system, which levels the playing field for ALL Americans, as well!

    I know a Latino gentleman by the name of Juan who worked hard in school, received his B.S. in finance and went looking for a job in a big finance firm.

    He was having a hard time finding a job, and he found out why in one of those job interviews.

    At one interview, he BEGGED to be giving a chance to show what he could do. “I already have a white guy working for me.” was the response he got from the interviewer/boss at one firm.

    When he FINALLY landed a job (at A.G. Edwards), he had a hard time meeting sales quotas. On a dare, a fellow financier asked him to introduce himself as “John” instead of “Juan” and see how this would work out. He decided to use the name “Clyde” since he liked it a bit better than plain old “John”

    Guess what happened.

    Folks responded positively, “So Clyde, what school did you attend? D’you golf? Let’s meet! ” and so on and so forth. As Juan, he couldn’t keep these folks on for more than a minute. Clyde had it made in the shade.

    He only tried this experiment for a week, for fear of retribution from and losing his job.

    Back to being good ol’ Juan, he wasn’t faring very well, and his boss gave him an ultimatum: “Open up 10 accounts within the next month, and you can stay with us. Otherwise, we’ll have to let you go.”

    He worked his butt off all month, and was able to manage opening 8 accounts. He thought, “Surely, this will be enough to get me some leeway and the boss will cut me slack!”

    Guess what happened?

    “Sorry, but you gotta go.”

    Now explain this to me, libertarian/conservatives: Juan played by your rules which SUPPOSEDLY apply and work for ALL Americans: Hard-work, persistance, rugged individualism and personal responsibility?

    Why didn’t he succeed using your model for success?

    I know the answer to this question, and it’s in two words.

    But I’d love to hear your take on this.

28. #28
    On July 23rd, 2004 at 5:30 pm, Martin aka Blogbat said:

    He, if he existed at all as other than a composite, was in a liberal town.

29. #29
    On July 23rd, 2004 at 5:40 pm, Martin aka Blogbat said:

    Interesting news out of Boston: something exploded there “about 8 a.m. in the graveyard near Snow Hill Street. It shattered a window in the Michael Angelo building, which provides housing for the elderly,” the local report says. It sounds from what police have gathered that it was caused by some kids and some fire crackers, but local residents were not amused. Tense, to say the least, which I think many of us are even if we don’t realize it. I just wonder how this will play out politically, or if, as one of the intangibles. I initially found the report thanks to this blog: http://www.pardonmyenglish.com/

30. #30
    On July 23rd, 2004 at 6:45 pm, Joe Nolan said:

    I suspect they are more concerned about the loss of expected advertising revenue more than anything else. If they make enough noise, the Kerry campaign may throw a few ad bucks their way just to shut them up.

    Joe Nolan