Another Muslim sniper?
“Michael Wagner” is a black Muslim convert who was pulled over by an Iowa State Trooper for not wearing a seatbelt. No doubt the professional grievance-mongers are rushing to provide their pro bono services to an innocent man wrongfully profiled by racist cops. Never mind what was in his car:
A 9mm pistol
Three bulletproof vests
Hundreds of rounds of ammunition
A flight simulator and a bag of flight manuals dating to 2001
A 5-foot telescope hooked to camera equipment
Night-vision goggles and a night-vision rifle scope found in a hollowed-out computer
Books written in Arabic, including the Koran, along with hundreds of pages printed from the Internet on the Iraq war and terrorism
Just as Customs agent Diana Dean pulled over Ahmed Ressam for acting nervously and conducted a vehicle search that saved untold lives by averting the Los Angeles millenium bomb plot, Iowa State Trooper Kenneth Haas decided to search Wagner’s vehicle during a routine traffic stop because Wagner repeatedly gave a false name, couldn’t produce an identification card, and showed signs of nervousness.
Wagner reportedly told a federal agent about “a man in San Diego who he said wanted him to shoot at trolleys there…Wagner also told the agent “he knew of activities and people involved in al-Qaida and Taliban.”
Better keep an eye on this story.
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“Home grown” converts are a major concern that few want to address. US based groups like Jemaat al-Fuqra are a fertile breeding ground for would-be terrorists. Worst of all, they are already here and they blend in.
Michelle’s right, the PC Thought Police will be on the horn to this man soon. The obiviously racist cop will lose his job and possibly pay civil damages.
When will this country wake up and realize that profiling is a necessary evil? We need to monitor it very closely, but we cannot prohibit it out of ridiculous (to all but those who make a living out of race - Sharpton, MFume, Jackson, Rangel, etc) overconcern for sensitivities. Get a thicker skin you morons, and let the cops stop the terrorist who are trying to kill me. If terrorist were 99% white men no one would care about profiling them. Hey Mfume, Jackson, Sharpton, et al, how about explaining that to me?
Slightly OT, but white males driving white trucks were, in fact, profiled - by that great warrior against racial profiling Chief General Inspektor Charles Moose. Thanks to such wonderful and professional police work, a number of folks were killed who might have been saved if there had been some sensible profiling allowed.
You’re right vwobiwan, the racial socialist machine will no doubt be in action soon.
“Home grown” converts are a major concern that few want to address.”
And the major breeding place is prisons where there have plenty of anti-social personalities who blame the system not themselves for their sentence to draw from.
Yet another blogpoint of yours, Michelle, that reaffirms why your site is in my Top 10 daily blog reads. Keep up the good work!
Just another bandmenber…. no news here…. move along…..
This reminds me of a story I blogged about in January:
A man of “Middle Eastern descent” was approached by a security guard outside a Texas chemical plant while sitting in an SUV with tinted windows taking photos of the plant’s ammonia tanks. When questioned the suspect shot the chemical plant guard in the shoulder and fled. BASF spokeswoman Sharon Rogers said there was “no indication the shooting was linked to terrorism”.
Again, Middle Eastern Man + taking photos of a chemical plant + shoots guard who questions him = no link to terrorism.
Yes, and we need to strip search Ray Charles and Congressman John Dingell at the airport because we’re not sure who the terrorists really are.
http://forester.blogspot.com/2004/01/22-man-of-middle-eastern-descent-was.html
As a neighbor of the “Portland 7″, and witness to the laughable efforts by the ignored local Vera-crats to obstruct the federal prosecution of that group, I can tell you this defines the difference between the two strategies of (D) v (R) on terror… specifically reactive versus preemptive.
Just as the (D)’s would prefer to employ more public employees and clean up the mess after the next inevitable terror strike… so their judicial appointments will strive to “protect all of us” by demanding the evidence against this “profiled man” be suppressed.
Just as they did in Portland… finally settling on very short sentences.
I would have preferred that the guilty pleas be refused and the trials reveal the 36 wiretaps of terrorists bragging about their plans to attack the local Jewish Community Center to target for slaughter those children.
I would have preferred to see what an informed Jury would have decided should be their fate.
I would have preferred to see the facts in the open.
But in fact this arrest will be a defeat as is every act of terror prevented. Unreported… unremarked… easily forgotten.
So the lesson goes unlearned and the (D)’s continue to advocate ’saving lives’ by building a hospital at the bottom of the cliff rather then putting a guard-rail on the cliff-side.
Michelle, you are overreacting. A gun, a couple hundred rounds of ammunition, a scope, the words Kill Infidels written 1000 times in blood, pictures of dead puppies. It is painfully obvious that this man is some sort of Christian fundamentalist. Hmmmm. Maybe we should keep an eye on him.
Quick, get the duck tape and plastic! Run for your lives! The (fill in ethnicity/race/religion of your choice) are coming!
It is too bad Michelle doesn’t know a damn thing she is talking about…she is about as credible as Ann Coulter…it is sad that she is such a fearful person…wrote a book on our borders but never critized the Bush plan to allow illegal immigrants in droves from mexico…
While I share everyone’s sentiments, I always raise an eyebrow when I see the words “pulled over for not wearing a seatbelt”. What, was he hurtling along at 5 mph for the cop to be able to spot that?
I believe that racial profiling of musilims especially muslim men is a must at this time of distress. Who is planning to attack America? Certainly there is a greater threat coming from the muslim world.
3 posters ago seems to not know that Bush’s “worker’s permit” program has been criticized by many of us here.
You see folks… To many of us centrists and right of center people, we know that BOTH Kerry and Bush are to the left of center.
Center would be an increase in government spending equal to the rate of inflation. Right of center would be increases in the government LESS than the rate of inflaction or actual cuts.
This federal government has moved to the left every year for over 60 years. There was a 54 year streak where the party who controlled the purse strings (started the appropriation bills) was Democrats (minus the 2 year gap from 1952-1954). During that 54 year streak the Democrats also controlled the Senate the majority of those years (by far) and the President was a Democrat many of those years (Kennedy, Johnson, Carter, Clinton, FDR, Truman).
Even though that streak was broken in the 1994 election year our government has NOT had a dramatic move to the center or right.
Even on an issue like Stem Cell Research Bush is to the left. Let me explain. I’ll be glad to. The left loves to villify without perspective and now I’d like to explain.
To many of conservatives/libertarians we don’t understand why the federal government should spend ANY money on stem cell research. It isn’t something that the constitution says that the federal government should be doing. This isn’t a religious issue to many of us. We understand that if there is a DEMAND for a cure that stem cell research could SUPPLY for then private companies will figure out a SUPPLY for that cure that people are DEMANDING.
And believe me there is demand.
And believe me there is a supply.
And believe me private company research has long ago found 40 uses for umbilical cord stem cells (interestingly 0 uses by embryo stem cells).
Now what was Bush’s position? He tried to split the middle (which didn’t make the lefts vitriol die down). Bush allowed for federal spending of stem cell research on certain stocks of remaining stem cells and other new stocks of stem cells.
What did that allowance buy him? Nothing? It just made conservatives mad at him and liberals mad at him.
All the news organizations including Fox News focused on the religious aspect of the debate and bashed Bush or defended Bush on the religious criticisms.
But for many of us (I suspect over 1/3rd of the population) don’t understand why the federal government has to fund this stuff anyway.
That feeding frenzy happened in the summer of 2001 (during the 8 mos that Bush was in office before September 11th) (and during the start of the recession months that Bush’s policies weren’t in effect to create)…..
Anyways.. Many of us conservatives/libertarians are so sickened by the LACK OF PERSPECTIVE by liberals that even though Bush is to the left of center we know we have to vote for him…
Michelle,
Have you entertained discussions about what the center is and what the left or right of center is?
You may have. I just look forward to the future discussion.
Almost every issue Bush has tried to split the middle (like the workers permit program) and it has only made people dislike him on the right and left.
Excluding the Iraq issue and Tax cut issue Bush is to the left of center or at the center.
Take into the account the Iraq issue and everything gets muddy because Al Gore, Clinton, Kerry, and Tom Daschle all said the same things about Iraq that Bush said even in the year 2003. Then things went haywire as people switched their position and started calling Bush a liar (which would make themselves liars).
If you take into account the tax cuts it makes things muddy only because tax cuts does not make the government smaller or bigger. It just is an understanding that tax cuts do help the economy and if during a recession you raise taxes (take more from the people and or companies) then the economy will suffer. The tax cuts taht George Bush proposed which was mostly passed by the Congress is what helped pull us out of the recession that started in October 2000 (actually evidence was seen in the second quarter of the year 2000 and Bush was sworn in in January 2001) and was deepened when the September 11th, 2001 attack happened.
And it is so ridiculous for anyone (who doesn’t understand history/economics) to say that Bush’s policy caused the loss of jobs or that Bush is the reason for the bad economy or that we need to take more away from the rich in order to improve people’s lives…. Taking more from the rich will satisfy a liberal but it will not improve the economy. It’ll just make more and more people dependant on the government as the economy suffers. That my friends will improve the Democrats power base as more people become reliant on the government.
Any questions? I’d love to entertain them. I’ll answer computer, history, economics, political questions for free.
Matt, I was pulled over in Texas doing 55 miles an hour for not wearing a seatbelt. The officer was heading the other direction, noticed the lack, and turned around and came after me. I’m geek white with almost blond hair and blue eyes. I’m not saying that he wasn’t pulled over for some other reason, but, yeah, it’s possible that it really was the seatbelt.
And, whatever the reason, I’m glad he did it.
In reference to:
While I share everyone’s sentiments, I always raise an eyebrow when I see the words “pulled over for not wearing a seatbelt”. What, was he hurtling along at 5 mph for the cop to be able to spot that?
Posted by Matt Enlow at July 28, 2004 08:33 PM
I often ride with the cops locally and when we are driving down the road and a vehicle passes us or we pass it, it is very easy to see if someone has their seatbelt on or not…so don’t assume someone has to be driving 5 mph for it to occur…
Wonderful.
Now I have to be leary of men of Middle-Eastern decent here in San Diego?
Crap.
No doubt the professional grievance-mongers are rushing to provide their pro bono services to an innocent man wrongfully profiled by racist cops.
You mean, like all the “professional grievance-mongers” who rallied to Ressam’s defense? Or to the defense of the D.C. snipers, who were also caught red-handed with weapons while talking about Islam?
Come on, Michelle. You’re supposed to be a pro. This post is a joke. I know you and all right-wingers need to believe that the left compulsively rallies to defend the guilty. But it just isn’t so.
Produce some evidence that Ressam and Muhammad/Malvo got lefty support — or post a correction.
No doubt the professional grievance-mongers are rushing to provide their pro bono services to an innocent man wrongfully profiled by racist cops.
You mean, like all the “professional grievance-mongers” who rallied to Ressam’s defense? Or to the defense of the D.C. snipers, who were also caught red-handed with weapons while talking about Islam?
Come on, Michelle. You’re supposed to be a pro. This post is a joke. I know you and all right-wingers need to believe that the left compulsively rallies to defend the guilty. But it just isn’t so.
Produce some evidence that Ressam and Muhammad/Malvo got lefty support — or post a correction.
Produce some evidence that Ressam and Muhammad/Malvo got lefty support — or post a correction.
I think the point also needs to be made that the lefty support they received before they committed their deeds enabled them to do what they did, although in Ressam’s case, the only country he took advantage of was Canada, thanks to an astute US Customs agent.
Malvo was promptly represented immediately after his arrest by the Border Patrol by the Northwest Immigrant and Refugee Rights Organization, a far-left pro bono “immigrant” assistance organization who not only got him almost immediately released from immigration detention (because he was such a good boy) and tried to get he and his mother green cards based on a fraudulent petition they helped his mother file. (and was quietly withdrawn after Malvo blew away a few people.)
And Ahmad Ressam - he appeared in Canada and even admitted he was accused of being a terrorist, was convicted of weapons offenses in Algeria, attended a jihad training camp, was accused of terrorist-related crimes in Algeria, yet Canada allowed him in to make a refugee claim, allowed him in their welfare system for years, and allowed him to commit additional crimes while his claim was pending. Canada did absolutely nothing to remove him, only aid and abet him while he broke law after law, lied, created false identities, and used Canada as a base of operations against the US.
Yet weak, complict, liberal Canada saw nothing amiss here and let him roam freely. I’d say they are as bad as the lefty lawyers.
But here is a quote from one of his defense lawyers after a hearing:
His defense attorney, Jo Ann Oliver, told jurors Tuesday that Ressam was not aware of everything that was in the trunk.
She said he “was not a bomber and he was not a terrorist. This is about a young man who fled war-torn Algeria, sort of a lost soul” when he made his way to France and then to Canada, where he applied for refugee status.
Ressam’s attorney described him as “a very quiet person, a religious person and probably a gullible person.”
He was a good boy.
And here is a perfect example of the professional ethnic greivance-mongerers, regarding the South African woman with suspected Al-Qaeda ties who attempted to board a plane in McAllen, Texas and was intercepted by an alert Border Patrol agent.
About her arrest and subsequent detention when she could not produce any proof of how she entered and her identity was in question, the ACLU sputters:
“The conditions under which Ahmed was detained were a violation of her civil rights, regardless of her status,” said Will Harrell, executive director for the Texas office of the American Civil Liberties Union.
“There is no doubt what is happening, given the posturing this administration has taken, it’s incited rogue officers to behave in ways unprofessional and unconstitutional,” Harrell said. “It’s happening daily all over the country and they do so with utter impunity.”
Uhm. Is anyone bothered by the fact that they are reporting who it was that Michael Wagner revealed in San Diego? I realize it’s news, but information on his plea bargain is not always expedient to for a paper to report.
If ~20 point men are assumed to live there, and only 2 of them met Wagner, who do you think will hide?
They might as well say “Hey! We’re looking for you! Go hide!”
I can only hope they said this AFTER they checked out his information, but that is not always the case.
I am going to have to share this story with my Port Director when I get to work tomorrow. We keep hearing from him that something big is supposed to happen this summer in San Diego and that we need to be extra vigilante. Kinda scary because there is not specific information, just for us to be extra aware, not only while we are doing primary inspections, but also when we are off duty and notice things out of place. It is a very difficult thing to do though.
Recently one of our officers saw three middle eastern people taking photographs in an unauthorized area. He approached them and demanded that they show him some form of identification. They got annoyed with him and started talking back to him. This officer is a part of CBP, like I am, but he used to work with USDA (That’s the department of agriculture) so he knows very little about law enforcement. His job was to protect the country from bad fruits and vegetables from coming in. So he did some things wrong, mainly because he hasn’t yet been trained. One of the things he did was to take his privately owned vehicle and trap the vehicle of the individuals he was talking to until help could arrive. I probably would have done the same thing, but it’s really not something we are called to do.
Turns out that one of the three individuals was a local officer that worked for the Port of San Diego, they call them Port Police. Now this officer is upset at the way he was treated and has threatened to write a formal complaint against the officer who, as he put it, “Illegally detained me and my girlfriend.”
I guess the point i’m getting at is that in the current atmosphere in America officers are faced with a dilema. 99.9 percent of the time the people they question are good, law abiding citizens. When you get to that .1 percent you have to wonder if you are making a mistake. Will you lose your job because some court finds that you have harrassed these people? What are the chances that this person i’m talking to is really a bad guy? Wouldn’t it be easier to just let them go and let someone else handle it?
These are the things that go through my mind all the time. Ive spoken to my wife about this on several occassions. We’ve agreed that it is worth losing my job over to protect the safety of our country. We’ve made plans for just that scenario. The day I can no longer enforce the laws because i’m too scared of losing my job is the day I quit doing my job.
Bah, its late and i’m rambling.
Thanks for the education, zombyboy and Stace.
Is it too late to get this guy a speaking role at the Democrat Convention?
THESE ARE LIES! The only mass-shooters are right-wing white men who drive white vans.
KB, I might have an easier time understanding your post if you learned to write clearly. When exactly did the the Northwest Immigrant and Refugee Rights Organization offer assistance to Malvo? Was it “immediately after his arrest,” or did the organization help him with immigration petitions that were withdrawn after he was discovered to be a killer? I read what you wrote and I simply can’t tell. If it’s the latter, well, you’re accusing the group of failing to predict Malvo would become a mass murderer — damn liberals! They’re not clairvoyant!
Then you give us the Canadian government, which is not a group over which we in the U.S. left have a hell of a lot of control.
And then you give us the entirely unshocking news that Ressam’s lawyer acting in a professional manner and according to the tenets of her profession by doing the best job she could to defend her client! Holy crap — guilty people are allowed to hire lawyers who don’t go into court and say, “Yes, I agree — you should string my client up”? The Republic is in peril!
Sorry Baklava, gotta call you on that. What you’re engaging in is called ideological greed: “If a candidaate doesn’t fill ALL of my ideological and political views/needs, then he’s on the other side and not a true conservative.” Check out the link below. You’ll see W is NO WHERE NEAR LEFT. Tell me if you think ANY good can come to the conservative movement by W’s defeat in November.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1066122/posts
“While I share everyone’s sentiments, I always raise an eyebrow when I see the words “pulled over for not wearing a seatbelt”. What, was he hurtling along at 5 mph for the cop to be able to spot that?”
A number of states are running what they call the “Click It or Ticket” campaign this summer. They’re focusing on enforcing seatbelt laws. I heard about it almost endlessly while on vacation.
“Excluding the Iraq issue and Tax cut issue Bush is to the left of center or at the center.”
What about abortion? USA PATRIOT? Teacher accountability? Judicial appointments? The role of the United Nations? China as a “strategic competitor?” Free trade with Singapore? The Kyoto Protocol?
Yes, he’s left of the Republican center on immigration, social spending, and federal involvement in education. He lacks that gut instinct against government (constrast Reagan’s “Government is not the solution to our problem. Government is the problem.” against Bush’s “When somebody hurts, government’s gotta move), but he does seem to know government has limits. That lifts him way out of the liberal mainstream, and out of the middle-of-the-road “there ought to be a law!” thinking.
Sure, keep pressure on him. Look for credible alternatives for election day (the Libertarians are out, as they’ve gone bonkers since 2001 just like the Democrats). Just give the man a fair shake on his record. Be rational. Judge him on his conservative substance, not his liberal style.
I find it ironic that many of the people who are lambasting Ashcroft for his threat warnings are the same who yelled so loudly about having no warning on Sept 11th.
The fact is that these events are happening, and if we are so lame and soft that we can’t stomach the idea of actually intervening into terrorist planning, we’re hosed, and we will lose the GWOT. People who chide the police for “profiling” should spend a bit of time reading what the enemy is saying. Their stated goal is to kill 4 million Americans, of which 1 million will be children.
I’m just glad this current generation didn’t have to fight WWII, or perhaps we’d have appeased Hitler and Hirohito.
I find it ironic that many of the people who are lambasting Ashcroft for his threat warnings are the same who yelled so loudly about having no warning on Sept 11th.
The fact is that these events are happening, and if we are so lame and soft that we can’t stomach the idea of actually intervening into terrorist planning, we’re hosed, and we will lose the GWOT. People who chide the police for “profiling” should spend a bit of time reading what the enemy is saying. Their stated goal is to kill 4 million Americans, of which 1 million will be children.
I’m just glad this current generation didn’t have to fight WWII, or perhaps we’d have appeased Hitler and Hirohito.
I was in the “so what” camp until I got to the bottom of the note. After all, I frequently have several guns and hundreds of rounds, going to and from the range on my weekly or twice-weekly visits there. There is always at least one gun in the car. I’m also a pilot, so flight gear is not unusual either. Koran? Internet pages? Nothing illegal there. But then I don’t give false names, fail to provide ID, or even get nervous in encounters with police (such as those “driver’s license checks” they seem to set up on major drinking holidays.) This was a quick-thinking and perceptive patrolman and I hope we have thousands more like him out there doing the job.
and another one down…..
Only 5 million more or Moore to go
True Conservative,
I agree with you that Bush has done things “for us” centrists and people to the right of center.
But, I didn’t say that he hasn’t.
While Kerry on a scale of 0-10 (0 being a communist) might be a 2. Bush is between a 4 and 6 depending on what issue. Many of us centrists and people to the right of center wish that Bush could be between 5 and 7.
Yet, what I’m talking about is the fact that liberals are tarnishing Bush as if he were an extremist when most of the time Bush is in the center.
Look at the big issues of the presidency. The 60% increase in Education spending at the federal level, the Medicare Bill with the expansion at 500 Billion, the stem cell research decision that started federal funding of stem cell research (there was no federal funding during Clinton’s presidency), the appealling to the illegal immigrants with some sort of status. What balances Bush out is some of the things on the list you posted.
Remember, libertarians want a cut in government by 80%. Republicans as a whole are nowhere near even cutting let alone cutting by 80% and the liberals are calling Republicans extremists. Seems to me the Republicans are in the middle as I assert.
You see Neil and True Conservative,
People like Neil come along and they have no perspective and they rattle off a list that I’ll address asserting that Bush is some sort of extremist.
1) Abortion - What about it. Polls show it as a 50/50 issue depending on how it’s asked. Partial Birth abortion which is the only real major thing Bush has addressed on this issue is an 80/20 issue. People overwhelmingly don’t think that a 8.5 month old fetus should be killed and extracted at the same time. Do you Neil?
2) Patriot Act - Patriot Act was overwhelmingly voted for and has been responsible for cooperation between the CIA and FBI and an ability to keep us safe without taking anyone’s real rights away. I’ve seen oversights that showed out of all of the complaints that there is no abuses by the Patriot Act. Yet the left talks to themselves over and over and perpetuates this myth that we are all one step away from being incarcerated.
3) Teacher Accountability - This is another 80/20 issue. People believe that there should be standards for teachers. What is wrong with MEASURING teachers and giving them additional training if they need it Neil?
4) Judicial Appointments - The judges that Bush are appointing (many hispanics and women) having been rated by the ABA with an A rating are constitutional (non activist judges) that I guess you aren’t used to seeing being appointed.
5) The role of the United Nations - Should the United Nations have the role of veto power over our national security actions? I don’t think so. Many of us conservatives and centrists think Bush went above and beyond the call of duty trying to include the UN and have the UN keep their word. Then on the last resolution one of the 15 nations who had veto power vetoed and people like you think we didn’t try to include the world and did things UNILATERALLY. Double standard though because Clinton didn’t have the UN or NATO approve his military action in Yugoslavia.
6) Kyoto Protocol - The Senate voted 95-0 against Kyoto but people on the extreme left like you want to try to paint Bush as an anti-environment person because he basically said “no” just like 95 Senators did. As well as 15,000 scientists. As well as the majority of Americans. This isn’t an issue that puts Bush into any category.
Sorry Neil I didn’t read your last paragraph until I finished the above.
However, I believe I am giving Bush a FAIR shake on his record. What I am saying is that leftists are NOT giving Bush a fair shake on his record. They are painting Bush to be so far to the right when that is so far from the truth.
I believe Bush is a centrist and maybe a little to the left of center. Kerry is so far left that this country will NOT elect him.
It would be healthier for Democrats to look at things with a little more perspective so that next time they can nominate somebody like Lieberman or a Zell Miller.
But alas, that won’t happen until the information war just about demolishes what is left of the so-called Democrats and they re-emerge with a new understanding.
OH DEAR! Here I am, white (irish-english)red-headed grandma (who should know better)having been stopped, on the freeway (60MPH) for not wearing my seatbelt. It had to be racial profiling, of course.
outrageous I think I’ll call the ACLU
Do you think this has anything to do with the terror warning the F.B.I. issued for California and New Mexico,today ?
As an Iowa blogger, I just heard on the radio over lunch that the FBI is downplaying the story and this individual’s credibility. (Apparently the guy offered up AlQueda info.) No real details on why we should doubt his credibility, but it seems very coincidental that there should be a west coast warning today. I’ll link anything I find on our blog.
FWIW, Wagner was also recorded on the trooper’s in car camera discussing with his “wife” whether he should have killed the trooper to get away. His family claims he’s a pacifist. Well, of course, Islam is a religion of peace. Go to my blog for the links.
You can’t snipe people with a 9mm pistol!