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1. #5332
   On July 29th, 2004 at 5:04 pm, Marc said:

   Yikes! My passion got the better of me and I forget to spellcheck my last two posts.

   Second to last line of my last post should read:

   And when people trot out and dust off two hundred year old crimes against their ethnic group and whine about them, these people are acting like children.

2. #5333
   On July 29th, 2004 at 5:05 pm, Surge said:

   “However, America is a *western* country and many Americans would rather preserve our 4,000 year traditions, as carried over here by our ancestors, than throw them out the window in the name of “multiculturalism”.” Marc

   It’s reassuring to know that Western European culture has the monopoly on validity here in the U.S. and the rest of us trying to preserve our traditions from various cultures are just ungrateful savages.

3. #5334
   On July 29th, 2004 at 5:08 pm, Marc said:

   When did I call anyone an ungrateful savage? I didn’t. I just said that America is a western nation and we westerners have a right to preserve our traditions and cultures, just like everyone else does.

4. #5335
   On July 29th, 2004 at 5:10 pm, James Kotthoff said:

   While you are all cheering Anti-Malkin (Stupid name by the way) you all must have your heads in a part of your anatomy I don’t want to think about. Hey AM read the article. No where in it does Mrs. Malkin state any opinion. The first part is from a Washington Post article and the second is from Captian’s Quarters. And to all our Muslim visitors I have not heard one of you state that you are against the islamofacist terror campaign (not here nor in the mainstream media). You are worried about your families…well guess what so is the rest of America.
   Hey Angry Frogface you need to read a little history the Palistinians want the land taken from them??? First the land given to Israel came from Jordan, Syria and Egypt. The occupied terroritories were spoils of war After Jordan, Syria and Egypt all ganged up and attacked Israel (And soundly got their butts kicked). The Palistinians have not had a “homeland” for at least a decade before Israel ever came into existance.
   And finally to all my favorite Liberals especially LA I see you are all back to your usual tactics…nice to know some things never change.

5. #5336
   On July 29th, 2004 at 5:11 pm, Marc said:

   Oh btw Surge, you never did answer my question. When WAS the last time that blacks, specifically, went to war with other blacks for the benefit of whites? Hmmm?

   …you’re… …welcome…

6. #5337
   On July 29th, 2004 at 5:12 pm, wvobiwan said:

   No, in today’s world I AM MOST OPPRESSED. I’m a white man, cleary the source of all evil in the world, Susan Sontag said so.

7. #5339
   On July 29th, 2004 at 5:18 pm, James Kotthoff said:

   LA
   I don’t know about please but you do amuse me very much…thanks for the laugh track

8. #5340
   On July 29th, 2004 at 5:19 pm, Angry Frenchman said:

   James Kottoff, you are an Ugly American Pig. I fart in your general direction!

9. #5341
   On July 29th, 2004 at 5:28 pm, Robert Crawford said:

   “So what do we do? Do we support the status quo? The status quo doesn’t seem like much of a solution either.”

   It’s better than supporting terrorists. Which is what you do.

   I think I figured out the disconnect between us, “Liberal Avenger”. You’re using the word “Intifada” with your own personal definition (perhaps you think it means “resistance” or just “protest”?). I’m using the real definition — “uprising”. In the context of Israel, an “intifada” is a campaign of terrorist violence. So when you say you support “the Intifada”, what else should I take it to mean?

   Should Israel accomodate the creation of a Palestinian state? Absolutely!

   Should Israel accomodate the creation of a Palestinian state run by terrorists who openly call for genocide? Absolutely not!

   The second condition is what exists today, and until the situation changes on the Palestinian side, there should be no state for them, there should be no rewards for them. There should be no people with any morals supporting them.

10. #5342
    On July 29th, 2004 at 5:55 pm, JEF said:

    Speaking of the Middle East, where is all of the concern for that other occupied country.. you know the one…I mean the one that used to have a majority Christian populace…Lebanon. They are still occupied by Syria. They have this great humanitarian organization there to maintain the peace…you know who I mean…Hezabola.The Cristians there are being persecuted and driven out. Where is the concern by Kofi Anan? Zip. What about their right of return? Nobody cares. What is the official viewpoint of CAIR? It would be wrong if the oppressed were muslims but as they are dhimme and infidels, who cares!

11. #5344
    On July 29th, 2004 at 6:01 pm, Surge said:

    “Oh btw Surge, you never did answer my question. When WAS the last time that blacks, specifically, went to war with other blacks for the benefit of whites? Hmmm?

    …you’re… …welcome…” Marc

    The Civil War, WWII, Korea, Vietnam,…shall I go on?

12. #5346
    On July 29th, 2004 at 6:23 pm, Surge said:

    Instead of looking DOWN on your fellow Americans (and illegals), some of you need to start looking UP at our political leaders, corporate CEO’s, and so-called “expert” social commentators who exploit and divide ALL of us and are profiting out of our division and misery.

    MANY of our problems stem from the TOP-DOWN, not from the BOTTOM-UP, as these misery profiteers would have you believe.

13. #5347
    On July 29th, 2004 at 6:59 pm, TrueReliever said:

    Does any of this sound familiar:

    The Qur’an also teaches for Muslims to enter into exile in lands where Islam is not the dominant force, and to stir up trouble, so that this persecution will come as the natives in those lands protect the integrity of their sovereignty.

    “Those who believed, and adopted exile, and fought for the Faith, with their property and their persons, in the cause of Allah, as well as those who gave them asylum and aid,- these are all friends and protectors, one of another. As to those who believed but came not into exile, ye owe no duty of protection to them until they come into exile; but if they seek your aid in religion, it is your duty to help them, except against a people with whom ye have a treaty of mutual alliance. And remember Allah seeth all that ye do. The Unbelievers are protectors, one of another: Unless ye do this, protect each other, there would be tumult and oppression on earth, and great mischief.” (Surah 8:72-73)

    In this passage, “adopted exile” is translated from the root form hjr , which has as its primary meaning the ideas of containment or confinement, and can carry the connotation of being quarantined or compartmentalised. The idea garnered from this verse seems to be as follows: adopt exile in a foreign land, voluntarily confining yourself in a non-Muslim society. Eschew assimilating into the culture and way of life of the host country, and instead agitate for Islam. When opposition arises, join together and give aid and fight for Allah against the unbelievers, since voilà, persecution has arisen! Hence, what is touted as a defensive doctrine is in reality carried out in an offensive manner.

    /unquote

14. #5348
    On July 29th, 2004 at 7:04 pm, citizen said:

    Islam IS a hate crime. Would be just fine if they all went back where they belong, they sure don’t belong here.

15. #5349
    On July 29th, 2004 at 7:31 pm, JEF said:

    Surge, you got it all wrong. Michelle is not anti-immigrant (I believe her parents are immigrants) but rather anti-illegal-immigrant. She advocates against the seeming policy of open borders in this country. Are you a murderer? No problem, welcome to the country! Are you a drug runner? No problem, welcome to the country! Are you a terrorist? No problem, welcome to the country! Are you a border control agent? How dare you do your job! Maybe we should just let the borders wide open. If we have 20-30 million people flooding into this country each year, soon we’ll look like India. No social programs, 50 million homeless people. Famine. Criminals running rampant. It sounds like a paradise doesn’t it. If you say I am being rediculous, then what is the acceptable number per year? Should it matter if the people entering are criminals or not? Should it matter if the people are on terrorist watch lists and want to do Americans harm? Should it matter if they are bringing 10 pounds of heroin with them? Explosives? Slaves? (It’s true–sex trade). I believe in legal immigration. Immigrants should be able to speak English in addition to their native tongues. They should know about and be prepared to follow the law. If they have criminal records, they should be denied access unless approved by a three judge panel. They should bring their skills, ambition, hard work, dreams and patriotism. The USA is a nation of immigrants. That is what made us strong. To deny this would be foolish but uncontrolled, unregulated, unsupervised, illegal immigration is foolish in the extreme.

16. #5350
    On July 29th, 2004 at 7:32 pm, Dave Munger said:

    Anyone who has respect for that religion has never so much as thumbed through the Koran. It’s an overt slander on all recieved scripture. Respect for the religion is contempt for those deceived by it.

17. #5352
    On July 29th, 2004 at 8:28 pm, saul said:

    Anti-Malkin: Some of your comments appear to be valid; intolerance in the USA is inappropriate, and more importantly, may very well be illegal; it goes against the very grain of the democracy that was established here — by those who fled intolerance in Old Europe; given these factors, many of us still wonder: why, on Sep. 11, many Muslims living here in the US, were seen celebrating the terrorist act that occurred on that date; why, after watching Steve Emerson’s video, was Emerson persecuted by virtually every mainstream Muslim organization in the USA when he provided invaluable information to the public regarding radical Islamists here, and clearly stated that the work was not intended to adversely reflect on the vast majority of American muslims who are not Islamists; why mainstream Muslim organizations here in the USA have been clearly involved with support of recognized terrorist organizations whose raison d’etre is the destruction of the US, maiming and killing innocent civilians, etc.; while there are clearly some, and perhaps many Muslims who have assisted authorities in investigating radical Islamists in the US, why, more Muslims do not come forward with information about terrorist cells in the US — do you really believe that the few that were caught and prosecuted were the only ones here; where are the American Muslims who have knowledge of the presence of radicals here in the US; the questions go on and on, but the answers are too few; these questions are NOT to justify prejudice or persecution against innocent Muslims; there is no justification for that; these questions are for the Muslims who comlain about persecution in the USA, yet possess information that would be helpful in investigating radical elements, but do not provide that information.

18. #5353
    On July 29th, 2004 at 8:51 pm, saul said:

    PS: not intended to compete with Mrs. Malkin’s site, but another website that is interesting and follows similar threads, may be of interest to those who are involved with this site; the URL is:
    http://www.melaniephillips.com/diary/

19. #5354
    On July 29th, 2004 at 9:10 pm, Patrick Chester said:

    “The Palestinians lost big in 1948 and they lost big again in 1967.”

    Both times hoping their Arab ‘brothers’ would push the Jews into the sea.

    Dunno, kinda reduces that whole “underdog” effect for me.

    “They are a poor, repressed people under siege. I support their struggle to establish a self-governed land that is their own.”

    So losing in an attempt to slaughter Jews makes one a poor, repressed people under siege? Does this apply to all groups that tried that, or just the ones you declare as politically correct?

20. #5355
    On July 29th, 2004 at 9:39 pm, Brenda Largent said:

    Three things:

    1. Islam is a religion, not a race. to despise and revile the religion of Islam is not to promote racism, but is rather a cultural thang. Please get your terms straight. All criticism is NOT racism.

    2. If a muslim is both scared and not in support of the murder of innocent persons, then SPEAK OUT – against suicide bombers, against suicide hijackers, against murderous speech. And use your real names, you cowardly wankers.

    3. We have ALL experienced some discrimination, some threat due to our religion and/or ethnicity. I’m English, Irish, Scots, French & Cherokee. Which of my ethnic ancestors (and some of it damn recently) have NOT been discriminated against, herded from their homes, been enslaved, been derided and insulted and threatened, at some time?! Grow some dignity, won’t you?!

21. #5356
    On July 29th, 2004 at 9:46 pm, Brenda Largent said:

    Oh, yeah, and I have personally been the target of encountered religious, ethnic and sexual descrimination as well. I do know whereof I speak here. To play the victim (o po’ po’ pitiful you) is just weak. THAT’s what I mean by grow some dignity. You want respect? Earn it. Quit waffling, and speak what you mean. If you don’t support the slaughter of innocents, then just say so. Out loud. In public.

22. #5357
    On July 29th, 2004 at 9:52 pm, onecent said:

    “Forty-two percent of Muslim Arabs interviewed for the survey in Detroit…..feel their religion is not respected by mainstream society.”

    The 56% that think that Islam is still respected by the American mainstream concern me. They aren’t getting it. Have they not noticed the news the past few years? 9/11? With Allah Akbar invoked at every beheading and bloody terror scene, hate mongering immams the only public voice of their clerics, 72 virgins awarded to cold blooded killers, the majority of Muslim women mere chatel, jihad, primative sharia laws, etc, and they aren’t indicating a concern about Islam’s perception in the eyes of their fellow citizens?

    Sorry, I have no sympathy for Muslim’s hurt feelings. They need to end their denial, denounce publically terrorism and reform the barbaric aspects of their religion.

    It’s a ridiculous premise, advanced by the vacuous multiculturalists, that all cultures and religions should at every place in time be accorded equal respect. Islamis fascism is the scourge of our times.

23. #5358
    On July 29th, 2004 at 10:15 pm, onecent said:

    Hey, Surge, you were asked this question…..”When WAS the last time that blacks, specifically, WENT TO WAR WITH OTHER BLACKS for the benefit of whites?”

    Your answered with this statement: “The Civil War, WWII, Korea, Vietnam”……

    So, who were these blacks that FOUGHT AGAINST OTHER BLACKS to stop the end of slavery? And just what black regiments did Hitler, North Korea and the Viet Cong have that fought against American blacks? And why?

    Could it be, Surge, that your reading skills are not up to par? And, your flippant answer is silly because you did not read carefully the question, and consequently, didn’t answer the question asked of you?

24. #5359
    On July 29th, 2004 at 10:53 pm, James Kotthoff said:

    Surge,
    You lack a basic understanding of SIMPLE economics. You preach about low pay that unskilled and low skilled workers get…do you know why? mass immigration of unskilled/low skilled labor…economics 101 supply and demand…more unskilleded/low skilled workers means lower wages. Fewer workers for those jobs means higher wages…so stuff the complaint about low wages for unskilled/low skill workers by immigrating in mass they are driving their own wages down.
    And as far as the government and corporations sharing the blame I agree that the immigration reform act of 1986 should be enforced, but every time it is attempted the liberals scream racism…look at what happened in California when the ICE started sweeps. But it has to be handled from both ends top and bottom.
    And as far as basic heath care…millions of native born and legal immigrants do not have basic health care…are you saying that illegal immigrants should have more rights then citizens and legal immigrants?

    Angry Frenchman better you fart in my direction then breathe in it. And Freedom fries rule!

    And LA I don’t send fruit baskets to anyone. And you may think it raises everyones standard of living but not always in communities that rely on unskilled jobs nor communies that have to bear the brunt of illegal immigration.

25. #5360
    On July 29th, 2004 at 10:57 pm, James Kotthoff said:

    I think that all the open borders crowd is missing one basic point… If people leave their country in mass for a better life here then who is going to stay and fix the problems there?

26. #5361
    On July 30th, 2004 at 12:23 am, zac said:

    muslim hate crime epidemic a myth? open your eyes.
    that’s all i’m going to say

27. #5362
    On July 30th, 2004 at 12:48 am, KB said:

    Right on, James! If they spent half the energy they do complaining about how bad they have it here (conveniently ignoring the fact they are here illegally) imagine the change they could accomplish in thier own country. Rather than stay and fight and push for change, they automatically give up and head here..

    Those who want to come here for economic reasons would do better by directing their energies in their home countries and effecting change there for political and economic change.

    As for those of you whining about Michelle being “anti-immigrant” that’s the standard label liberals give anyone who expresses any opinion that even vaguely hints of negativity toward illegal aliens. Yawn. Get a new pro-open-borders label.

28. #5364
    On July 30th, 2004 at 9:09 am, Turtle said:

    LA wrote (Nevermind that there are more than one billion Muslims in the world today… One billion is too big a number for most xenophobes to comprehend.)

    Is 3,000 too small a number for the libs to comprehend?

29. #5365
    On July 30th, 2004 at 11:39 am, A. Hitler said:

    A white man that kills a single minority person is a racist, a black man that kills several non-black people on a subway is a “victim of black rage” and not responsible for his actions.
    Posted by TUSKER at July 29, 2004 11:50 AM

    Im giving you a thumbs up right now. That “black rage” is dangerous. Even though I never heard of anything being called “black rage” before I read that. All your missing from that post is yelling nigger a few times. I especially love that line(since your whole thing is a rant with only 1 period). I know how you feel brother, We whites always get the short end of the stick, im tired of being discriminated against. We bitch and bitch all the time about the reverse discrimination we may have gone through 1 time in our lives, because damn it, we need to match the bitching levels of those ghetto bling bling rap thug niggers.

30. #5366
    On July 30th, 2004 at 11:44 am, Angry Frenchman said:

    Hitler!!! Sacre Bleu!!! I grovel at your feet, O master of Europe!!!!

31. #5369
    On July 30th, 2004 at 9:12 pm, David Ross said:

    Brenda said: “We have ALL experienced some discrimination, some threat due to our religion and/or ethnicity. I’m English, Irish, Scots, French & Cherokee. Which of my ethnic ancestors (and some of it damn recently) have NOT been discriminated against, herded from their homes, been enslaved, been derided and insulted and threatened, at some time?! Grow some dignity, won’t you?!”

    Well… the English haven’t suffered in the USA! Unless you’re counting the expulsion of “Tories” into New Brunswick in the 1780’s -

    D’oh! :^)

32. #5370
    On July 30th, 2004 at 9:47 pm, onecent said:

    “Well… the English haven’t suffered in the USA!”

    Gee, David, are you suggesting that
    Brenda isn’t a good player in the victim game? God forbid, that the English got away scott free. We will have to rectify that, won’t we? I’m now committed to the English as un-American slackers, the little bastards disrespected the victim rules. How dare they.

33. #5371
    On July 30th, 2004 at 10:03 pm, jihadaeon said:

    We are americans. We are supposed to be better than that(and 95% are)There have been and will be miscreants in every society under the sun who will always use any excuse to attack, belittle, or harm those who are percieved to have had society’s protection removed(remember when AIDS first surfaced?) To those of Middle Eastern origin or descent I say this: Adapt as best you can to the new era, keep your eyes open and watch your back. Right and Wrong can become Second Fiddle when survival is on the line in a war involving WMD. I love my country but my country interred many japanese, germans and even italians during WWII(95% was meritless)and for Arab-Americans night is going to grow even darker before dawn eventually comes. Death to Terrorists