Hyping hate crimes
The University of Michigan released a study purporting to show widespread abuse and harassment of Arabs and Muslims in America. From the Washington Post:
Derogatory comments — “Go back where you came from!” or “Ooh, are you a member of al Qaeda?” — were the most common form of abuse. Others alleged job discrimination and a small number reported physical assaults, researchers said.
Forty-two percent of Muslim Arabs interviewed for the survey in Detroit — an area with one of the largest concentrations of Arab Americans in the nation — feel their religion is not respected by mainstream society. Nearly 60 percent said they worry more about their families’ future than before the attacks.
Ed at Captain’s Quarters responds:
“Well, excuse me, but no s**t, Sherlock! I guarantee you that 60% of all Americans worry about the future of their families since 9/11. I worry about it every time I see my granddaughter, the Little Admiral. In terms of respect for their religion, it would help if groups like the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) and other such organizations would worry less about namecalling and more about urging American Muslims to cooperate with law enforcement. Instead, we mostly hear how our foreign policy led to 9/11 and our need to listen to the terrorists rather than hunt them down and kill them.
And now we have this ridiculous study that claims 15% have received serious harrassment, only to find out that tasteless jokes count in the survey. Gee, can I start a survey among Irish-Americans that count every alcohol-related wisecrack I ever heard?
See also: Myth of the Muslim hate crime epidemic and More Muslim hate crime myths.
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Oh yes those Muslims are being persecuted so terribly. What we really need to focus on are the militant Buddhists!
Here are some comments I got from a Muslim woman apparently residing in Canada (see A Strong Muslim Woman writes to Islamic Monitor!!!,http://www.geocities.com/islamic_monitor/smw.html) detailing her family’s “persecution”:
“… In fact, many Muslims got persecuted in the western countries. I didn’t get a job because of my Hijab. My brother once went outside. He had beard at that time. A group of guys surrounded him and said “You Taliban, Get out of our country”. Once I was coming from a shopping mall. I was wearing Hijab. Two guys hit me with the bottles. My mother was wearing Shalwar Kamees (a Pakistani dress) in the bus. One woman started criticizing her and said things like “What is Allah Talla” …
I replied, “I am sorry to hear about the discrimination, taunting, and harassment that you and your family faced after September 11, 2001. Unfortunately, one can’t prevent others from saying rude things, such as those said to your brother and mother. If, as you claim, you didn’t get a job and others threw bottles at you because of hijab, you should have filed complaints with government authorities.”
I hardly describe her experience as “persecution.”
Middle-eastern muslims need to clear their name, for their own sake. And they should want to to this, and pro-actively do it. Non-terrorists should hunt down and arrest/kill the suicide bombers and armanent tossers in all middle-eastern countries. You don’t want nasty suspicious looks on an airplane? - volunteer to be searched in front of everyone. Prove you should not be suspected, and eliminate the scum in your midst. Take a stand and act on it.
I agree where is CAIR.
Why aren’t they saying, “Not in my name!” huh?
where the heck are they?
How they must hanker for some Muslim to be taken hostage by a white supremacist group and beheaded. Now that would give the dogs a bone to gnaw!
being hit with bottles isn’t persecution? this woman was discriminated against and physically assaulted, and your cold reply is “one can’t prevent others from saying rude things” and “you should have filed complaints with governmental authorities”? every time i read the comments on this site, i am deeply disturbed by the heartlessness and lack of compassion you all show.
Context Jill. Context. What this woman went through was not “persecution”. Having a bottle thrown at you is assault and being turned down for a job because of your religion (if that’s what she was really rejected for) is discrimination. Both of these instances should have been reported to the authorities.
You want persecution? Go watch “Schindler’s List”.
Jill, what should the response be? When someone says they were assaulted, shouldn’t we recommend they go to the authorities?
“Persecution” is a term generally reserved for actions taken by the government or private actions that have government sanction. In no Western country has there been such gov’t sponsored harassment. Private individuals engaging in bigotry is regrettable, but only a Chicken Little would describe what has happened since 9/11 as persecution.
And how tolerant are Muslim-majority nations towards their ethnic and racial minorities? Hindus are being chased out of Bangladesh, black Africans are being chased out of Sudan, and Jews are not even allowed to entire Saudi Arabia.
REPORT FROM THE FRONT – the Vietnam Veterans against Kerry demonstration at the DNC.
Wow! This was my first experience of Political Theater since the Vietnam War. There I was in the van holding one side of a huge “Hanoi Jane/Hanoi John” banner shouting HO HO, HO CHI KERRY followed by a couple hundred of my brother Vietnam Vets and their supporters, including my own wife and nine year old daughter Barbara Jeannette.
My wife later excitedly described the excitement she felt chanting along with the guys while carrying a VETERANS AGAINST KERY sign and the pride she felt as our little daughter did the same…
http://pep.typepad.com/public_enquiry_project/2004/07/report_from_the.html
Muslim religon not being respected? Laughable at best…. they are protected just like any other, and its hard to respect a religon that seems not to respect anything themselves. Christianity is still fighting the image of forceable conversion, ISLAM seems to embrace forceable conversion of people. It is hard for someone to respect a group that is instructed to give people the choice of “convert or die”. It is my viewpoint that ISLAM is like a bully that cries when someone hits back, and its leaders are basicly educated people that are leading gullible followers to die for thier cause, without doing so themselves or allowing family to do so. ISLAM sees all americans as evil and not worthy of respect, this allows them to justify the murder of innocent unarmed people
Respect is not given to anybody or anything, it is earned.
Thank you, Marshall. I couldn’t say it better myself.
Our Strong Muslim Woman (SMW) provided no information to suggest that she and her family were in danger for their very lives or that they were being driven from their home - which would be fairly described as “persecution.” That’s why I made a distinction and called what she and her family experienced as “discrimination, taunting, and harassment.”
At least our SMW had opportunities for redress through the legal system. Read the entire web page A Strong Muslim Woman Writes to Islamic Monitor!!!, http://www.geocities.com/islamic_monitor/smw.html for context, and see the hatred she had for the country in which she settled.
In the midst of my boring morning at work I read more ignorance on Michelle Malkin’s part and I just had to respond:
Who the hell are you to say that Muslims aren’t being harassed and make light of derogatory insults you see as mere “tasteless jokes?” What you may call mere jokes is in fact harassment whether you like it or not. If a man hits on/flirts with you heavily Michelle, and makes “tasteless jokes” about your anatomy are you not being harassed? There is no difference between that and innocent (American) Muslims being bombarded with racial slurs and verbal insults. It’s harassment and if Muslims are complaining about it, more power to them! An entire population of Muslims shouldn’t be condemned or seen as not worthy or respect due to the actions of a bunch of extremist. They have a legitimate beef. Imagine if people walked behind Jewish people saying, “You’re evil! You killed Jesus.” Or if people were yelling out their car windows to black people saying, “Go back to Africa!” Or if people walked up to you (By you I mean Michelle) and called you wicked saying things like, “You uncivilized Filipino!” These types of things are blurted out everyday and I find your lack of human compassion for the victims of such harassment very sad. I fail to see how you make light of such derogatory words, like Muslims should just get over the abuse. Derogatory comments can over time leave mental scars just as ugly as physical ones. Or are you too heartless to recognize this. Who the hell are you to say hate crimes are being hyped? You’re entitled to your opinion (IT’S WRONG, THOUGH) but you’re in no position to say hate crimes are being hyped because you’re not the one being smothered with them. You can’t relate. You’re worse than a man telling a woman child-birth doesn’t hurt. 60% said they worry more about their family’s future than before the attacks. In case your ignorance is blinding you they’re not so much worried about another terrorist attack threatening their families future. They’re more concerned with their fellow AMERICANS attacking their family due to a misguided hate for all Muslims. Damn Michelle. I knew you could be blatantly wrong, and I notice that you tend to be ultra insensitive when dealing with sensitive issues but I never thought I would detect the STENCH of racism coming from Mrs. Malkin. You make this too easy.
antimalkin-
I couldn’t have said it more beautifully or have been more on point.
I’m shocked by some of you people’s misplaced compassion. Call it persecution, harassment, or whatever. IT’S WRONG!
“You can’t relate. You’re worse than a man telling a woman child-birth doesn’t hurt”-
I laughed out loud at that sentence. Preach on.
Anti-Malkin, why do post on Michelle’s sight if you seem to not like her so much? Just wondering. You’ve got some good points but I don’t think Michelle is a racist.
Anti Malkin,
Get real… Nice try, but calling an absolute patriot like Michelle a racist doesn’t pass the laugh test. What a simpleton you are!
Arab Americans are complaining loudly about name calling and suspicious looks, yet are strangely silent about their support for America’s war on terror.
America has a right to wonder.
Americans are wondering why Arab Americans are not saying to the terrorists, “not in my name.”
Americans are wondering why Arab Americans seem to be rooting against us with their condemnation of the war on terror.
Americans are wondering why so many Arab American charities are tied to terrorist organizations.
Americans are wondering if Arab Americans blame America for 9/11.
Silence on these issues by Arab Americans has spoken volumes to the people of America.
Anti-Malkin,
Look, here’s the thing: Several years ago Osama Bin Laden and his good buddies vowed that they would drag the rest Islam along with them to jihad.
As the jihadist wing of Islam is the dominant voice and face and force in Islam today (in spite of it being a physical minority), they have for all intents and purposes fulfilled their promise.
When that changes I suspect we kufr will start to lighten up a bit, but not until then. I’m not condoning anything, just explaining to you that until non-jihadist Islam starts to become a serious part of the solution instead of remaining a silent part of the problem, things aren’t going to get any better for non-jihadist muslims.
I hate to harp on what the “ANTIMALKIN” said but there is some major truth in those words.I don’t think muslims are so much affraid of another attack from abroad. They’re more worried about people here beating them to a pulp. They are just as American as we are. It’s wrong for us to throw all muslims into the same class as Bin Laden.
Not all muslims follow Bin Laden.Anti-Malkin thanx for making that clear. those were powerful words and i thank you for defending my culture and religion.
“I have a dream that one day people will be judged by the content of their character instead of the color of their skin.” Anti-Malkin has several good messages in that blogger. It’s a shame that some people (John) can make such a beautiful dream that much farther from reality.
I don’t know about the rest of you but the way Michelle talks down to muslim people, and immigrants, ect I can see how some might see her as a racist. I don’t agree but I see how the conclusion can be made.
Hmmmm … seems to be a double standard here. Someone can make a movie with a liberal viewpoint and make outlandish statements, but a conservative cannot make a statement without being labeled a racist. I have grown up in the south and have seen what prejudice and persecution really looks like. This “SMW” was assaulted, and had legal ways to handle it, after all the “system” protects her rights. TRUE racism is very ugly and anyone that has seen it or been subject to it will not use that word lightly, unlike most of liberals use of it.
Hate crimes are a load of crap, to me all murders are hate crimes. A white man that kills a single minority person is a racist, a black man that kills several non-black people on a subway is a “victim of black rage” and not responsible for his actions. I think this has lead to the “I’m not gulilty because I am a(insert minority or religon of choice)” excuse and defense.
What a strange country we live in, that the color of your skin or religon of choice makes you nobler than us mere mortals.
Michelle’s screed today - and the two other articles she wrote previously and referenced - are examples of the reality of “Compassionate Conservatism.”
To read these articles and many of the comments here, one envisions most of you denying that *any* sort of harrasment or persecution has taken place in our country. Of course it has - ask your Muslim friends. Oh, that’s right, you don’t have any. Hmm…
There is a pattern to your wholesale dismissal of entire races and cultures in one fell swoop… Tawana Brawley’s hate crime was a hoax therefore America doesn’t persecute blacks therefore Al Sharpton is disingenuous therefore the Democratic Party is dangerous.
This is precisely how the logic works. It is both frightening and ironic to see you simultaneously strike down Muslim-Americans and deny that you are doing so in one breath.
C. Klein refers to Militant Buddhism:
“In the West, Buddhism is synonymous with peace, compassion, wisdom, and ecumenical brotherhood. This is true also in the case of its most noted figure, the Dalai Lama.
Moreover, Buddhism has a reputation as a persecuted religion, and Tibet is the emblem of this.
But the latest Report on Religious Liberty in the World, released in Rome on June 25, 2004 by Aid to the Church in Need, contains striking evidence of a contrary nature.
In almost all of the Asian states in which Buddhism is the majority religion, there is cruel religious repression. And this strikes all of the non-Buddhist religions.
……
From this inventory it emerges that, of the eight Asian countries with a Buddhist majority, only one of them – Thailand – assures substantial religious to all faiths, and another – Vietnam – persecutes all of them, including Buddhism.
In the other six states, Buddhism is more or less an integral part of a regime that represses the other religions.”
http://213.92.16.98/ESW_articolo/0,2393,42205,00.html
Last time I checked, Islam was not a race. Moslems come in all colors.
Likewise, there are non-Moslem Arabs, who tend to have interesting tales to tell of the religion of peace and tolerance.
What upsets leftists and other squishy types is that some people want to stand up for what’s left of our civilization.
Threatening or harming people is wrong, for whatever reason, naturally.
But we need not rush out the Pity Wagon every time someone claims an act of discrimination. There is no apparent reciprocation for the many acts of concern and support Moslems in America have received, from the president on down.
Read up a little and recognize the threat.
Some in this country are very eager to start down that slippery slope where we judge motives rather than acts. All crime is to one degree or another hateful, and love of oneself also has a prominent place in the mix.
James Byrd and Mathew Sheppard are the two most famous examples of “hate crime”. At this moment, two of Byrd’s murderers are on death row and the third doing life in return for testifying. The death penalty was taken off the table in the Sheppard case at his parents request. These were horrible crimes and are being justly punished according to our present legal system. What more does adding the motive hate to the act change anything. Perhaps after executiion we should hang the bodies in the public square for the birds to pick at. Crime is crime and we have laws to deal with it. Motive is only part of the prosecutor’s evidence. Let’s leave it there.
It looks like the minimum standard for hate here was anyone in the national media who mentioned that muslims were involved in 9/11 more than twice or once asking where were the cries of outrage by peace loving muslims who’s religeon had been hijacked.
Cmon you guys, racist? mean? evil? Whatever happened to calling us Hitler and Nazis? Or wait, is this what the libs call expanding the debate?
Does this mean I don’t have to learn German now?
Perfect, Charlie - let’s turn the question of whether or not any Muslim Americans have been harrassed into an all-out assault on everything that doesn’t fall into whatever your narrow definition of good ol’ American values is…
So 42% of Arabs interviewed in Detroit feel their religion is not respected by mainstream society. That means that more than half of those surveyed believe mainstream society DOES respect their religion, notwithstanding that its holy men advocate suicide bombings and religious war on several continents and are the principal cause of instability and strife in the world.
But my real question is the converse: what percentage of Arabs, in Detroit or elsewhere, respect mainstream American society? I’d be rather surprised if that number exceeded 58%.
Anti-malkin,
I fully agree with what you’re saying and it really needed to be said. People may not wanna admit it but they’re affraid of Muslims males and after 911 can the majority of you people say you have no hate Islam.Not all Muslims are plotting to Jihad. That’s a stereotype. I’m a proud american but it offten feels like america isn’t to proud of me and my religion.
Sorry but Emmit Till and the four lil girls who were murdered in a church bombing during the civil rights struggle are the two most famous hate crimes.
What I don’t understand is how the libs. have changed the topic from persecution to harassment. Being a devout Christian I face harassment everyday from secular society. I am given a hard time about not enjoying or contributing to certain activities that I deem wrong. So, in this vain of thought I am being persecuted, cool!
James: Have you been pelted with eggs or bottles?
Anti-Malkin keep speaking the truth. I don’t think Michelle is racist she just doesn’t get it.
There are several who have complimented Anti Malkin.
Let me say that his/her points were completely lost on me by the way he/she showed so much hate and misunderstanding of Michelle.
To misunderstand someone and then write from that perspective DOES NOT further the debate very well.
Have you been denied a job because your a secularist, and the report reported a bottle, not an egg, and yes I have had a bottle thrown at me.
Love all these people calling MM a racist. Yeah, just because she does not find being called elementry school names morally equivalent to, say, genocide in the Sudan she must be a racist. Most terrorism in the world is committed by muslims. And interesting note is that much of this terrorism is against other muslims of different ethnicity. This religion is one of the most distructive, and self-distructive, religions ever to exist. Way worse than Christianity at its worst. Despising this religion is not racist. I do not care if you are Arab, Black, White, Chinese, or any other race, but if you are a practicing muslim I will find myself wondering when you are going to go off on a murderous rampage in the name of Allah. Instead of working to dispel these feelings the leaders of the muslim communities seem to revel in this fear, and yet want us to behave like nothing is wrong at the same time. Well, if you want us to believe you are ‘just like everybody else in America’ perhaps you should select some new leaders who will strongly condemn the islamofascists and will encourage rooting out terrorists and their sympathizers in this country. Until the donations/deceptions stop, we will not trust you.
Kong
Anti-Malkin: i read messages on this website pretty often and yours stick out like a sore thumb. Do you personally know Michelle? Me and you usually disagree but on this you have tons of valid good points. It’s wrong to stereotype an entire religion. America is fighting terrorism not Islam. Waaayyyy too many people seem to forget that.
Standard leftist ju-jitsu.
First, Moslems attack innocent people in the US in order to kill innocent people in the US, spew incessant hatred for non-Moslems from their mosques, and other Moslems keep quiet lest they themselves become targets or because, secretly, they agree. After all, everyone should be a Moslem, right?
But second, when there is a reaction, non-Moslems are supposed to drop everything and go into Full Grovel Mode. “Please forgive us - we will behead anyone that picks on you. And, for good measure, we will behead some innocent Dhimmis, too.”
Let’s forget about the fact people are working to violently destroy our civilization. Nope- we should only talk about the Moslems who
are victims or, more important, *claim* to be victims.
Anyone who does otherwise is a racist, a hater, a bigot, according to people like Lib Av and antimalik (identifying yourself as a negative is an interesting comment). The few actual acts against Moslems in this country are wrong. That doesn’t mean we obsess about them and pretend we are under some sort of repressive regime.
Muslim Male,
You just had the perfect opportunity and you screwed it up. You could have looked at John’s post and told us all that terrorism is not in your name and that you support the war on terror. Instead, you thanked Anti-Malkin and played the victim card. You wonder why we look at Muslims with suspicion and don’t have much compassion towards your so-called plight? You just answered yurself.
A few years ago I saw an odd statistic: White people statistically anually shop lift more often than than other races in the US. Does this mean all white people should be looked upon with suspicion? Nope! We should learn how to treat people as people. Anti-Malkin is very right in what he/she said.
It is to laugh, Arron. If people of non-color shoplift at a higher rate than do others, of course they should be watched proportionately more closely. And note that I did not defend shoplifting.
to:TLA
Typical liberal mindset. The egg story was already reported to be a hoax, so we’re down to what look’s like two young(probably)duds hanging outside the mall who apparently have thrown plastic bottles at a woman wearing a hajib. Do you think that if James had been walking by the same two and stopped to talk about his Jesus, that they wouldn’t have thrown their bottles at him as he left.
CAIR issues a petition “Not in the Name of Islam” and Daniel Pipes brilliantly deconstructs the effort at “CAIR’s Phony Petition,” http://www.danielpipes.org/article/1955
This petition only resulted because of demands and pressure for accountability from the Muslim community in the U.S.
As noted above, the libs here are engaging in their usual bait and switch.
We get attacked on 9/11.
We wonder why Arab Americans are relatively silent with regard to expressing outrage at terrorism or even support of America’s efforts to protect itself against future attacks.
We then hear Arab Americans complaining about being “victims” of name calling.
We express dismay that Arab Americans can speak up when they are being called names, but don’t speak up in support of America or in condemnation against terrorists.
Liberals call us racists, Nazis for being dismayed.
I see eye to eye with Anti-Malkin. (I love that name. It cracks me up! LOL) I’m a young muslim man. The actions of those sorry excuse for “muslims” that are killing and plotting acts of terror on innocent people sickens me. I was born in the USA and represent it proudly. I agree with Anti-Malkin because even though I’m as american as any of you I’m looked at with fear and hate. I’ve been attacked, insulted, and threatened all because of my faith. Anti-Malkin gives me hope for the future. He or she shows me that not everyone judges based on stereotypes and looks. All I want to do is live my life in my country (USA)and practice my faith. But people like some of the ones on this form hate me and aint even done anything to them! Keep it coming Anti-Malkin
Hating people who’ve never done anything to you is dumb. Islamic extremist are the ones attacking America not muslims. Islam is a beautiful religion. I don’t even consider those extremist “*real*” muslims! That’s why so many people are agreeing with Liberal Avenger and Anti-Malkin. They’re voices of reason!
They should feel harrassed as well as welcome it. I never hear any muslims speak against the terrorist groups or demand that the terrorist groups stop their vicious crimes? Also, they do not conform to the anglo-saxon ways of america. If the muslim religion is such a peaceful religion then why don’t the majority rise up against the filthy miniority?
When white people (cops, racist red necks, ect) beat and kill young blacks I don’t hear a huge outcry from anyone other than black people. All you hypocrites ask “Why don’t muslims denounce those attacks” why don’t white’s denounce their attacks?
to Anti-Malkin- do you have any books or articles out. I may not fully agree with you on everything but I like reading what you’ve got to say about stuff. You’re right on this one.
“I see eye to eye with Anti-Malkin. (I love that name. It cracks me up! LOL) I’m a young muslim man. The actions of those sorry excuse for “muslims” that are killing and plotting acts of terror on innocent people sickens me. I was born in the USA and represent it proudly. I agree with Anti-Malkin because even though I’m as american as any of you I’m looked at with fear and hate. I’ve been attacked, insulted, and threatened all because of my faith. Anti-Malkin gives me hope for the future. He or she shows me that not everyone judges based on stereotypes and looks. All I want to do is live my life in my country (USA)and practice my faith. But people like some of the ones on this form hate me and aint even done anything to them! Keep it coming Anti-Malkin”
Aslam- don’t give up on people! Your story really struck a cord with me
Mr. Berrington;
The last time I checked the figures it was blacks killing blacks or whites. Coming from the iner-city that was the case. Also the white gets the death penalty for killing a black guy. So, please quit spreading that myth that has no substance. Maybe prior 1970 that would be true, but not today. By the way I have many friends who are of a different color, they just don’t preach the liberal black party myth.
Thomas,
You have apparently been off-planet for some years. The media (aka “the White Media”) play up every case of possible racial violence. The general population reacts strongly to these reports.
While you were away, there has been quite a bit of attention to this matter and police thuggery for race is dealt with much more severity than is police thuggery of a simpler nature.
Thomas Berrington,
Ignorant statement.
White people constantly have spoken out against such things. Perhaps you remember the Civil War, Civil Rights Movement, James Byrd, Abu Graib? Whites spoke out and *died* for doing so. What a dumb statement you posted.
No, not all muslims are terrorists, but are all terrorists muslims? Certainly in recent history, they are the only ones blowing crap up.
What’s next libs? If the police get a discription that a suspect is a six foot tall white male between 30 and 40 years old shouldn’t they ignore that? They should have to take in little old black ladies and 20 year old koreans just to not “profile” middle-aged white men.
Well, the description is in. The terrorists are young to middle aged Arab muslim males. If you fit this description…be prepared to answer questions.
Does anybody here advocate throwing bottles or eggs? No. And insinuating that all conservatives support such bs is about as intelligent as insinuating that all of our military is guilty of Abu Graibh.
But it is Americans as a whole that are the current victims of hate crimes. 3000 victims. Oh, but no one thinks it is possible to be racist against an American.
I have listened to the liberals say that terrorists hate us and attack us because we don’t listen to them, don’t try to understand them.
Well where is this tolerance and leniency for the guy that threw the egg? Doesn’t he have reason for his action like the terrorists claim they do? Isn’t he just redirecting that at the wrong target, like the terrorists do? Shouldn’t you just try to understand what drives him to such an act before you label and villify him?
Or is such treatment only reserved for people that blow innocent people up?
To Muslim Male and Muslim genius who posted here, I think that if you read with an open and thinking mind, you will find that the majority of conservative commenters here are only concerned with protecting Americans against further attacks.
This is not like WWII when we were facing an enemy that usually wore a nice “enemy” uniform so we could tell them from friendlies and know when we were in immediate danger.
I don’t know you but I gladly accept that you are proud Americans and deserve only respect from your neighbors and should be afforded all the same protections of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness that our country is supposed to provide to all.
You are not the enemy. But the enemy is dressing up just like you. He is impersonating you. He is trying to keep Americans off-balance and confused about whether the guy in front of me is a terrorist or just a good, proud American.
The problem is, if we pick wrong, we die. And for nothing that we had any control over.
So people are going to be overly cautious and suspicious. That is not racism. That is an understandable reaction given the circumstances and to these “tolerance” preachers that are going on and on about our lack of tolerance and understanding, I say “where’s yours?”
Some are going to cross the line and yell insults or throw stuff. They are an embarassment to the rest of us. They are small minded and pitiful people that should have charges filed against them if they attempted physical harm.
But if you get on an airplane and some passengers around you get nervous, I am sorry. But that is something the terrorists did to you. Because it is only understandable self-preservation that people are going to get more afraid now when they see a arab male on a plane. The terrorists look like normal, proud arabs as well.
The media reports acts of Police Violence. It’s wrong but I don’t see anyone complaining against police profiling, which leads to police brutality on black males. Most of you seem to think profiling is good. When young blacks are murdered by punk, crooked cops how many people on this board even give a damn, cause if yall do you’ve got funny ways of showing it. All I was saying is that in general white america turns a deaf ear to the cries of blacks being attacked. I hear no passionate speeches from white america. How can you expect others (american muslims) to yell out about evil is done to us (the USA) when white america doesn’t seem to give a damn about plight others are going through. And by the way I’m a 55 year old white grandfather and i can see the double standard very clearly.
Where is the public outrage in the so-called “religion of peace” against the violent jihadists. Start behaving like you are not in favor of violent jihad and maybe everyone else will begin to treat you like you aren’t muslim extremists.
Mr Berringtion:
I love the generalities, but no specifics. Again a typical tactic of the liberal left, of lies and distortions. Also, we see again how the liberal left twists conversations, this wasn’t about police brutality but about a Muslim female being harassed.
Tom,
I would guess that you don’t see anybody discussing the profiling of blacks by police here because that is not the topic of the thread.
Tom,
Here is 300,000 mostly white people who spoke up.
http://www.pww.org/past-weeks-2000/Gay%20rights%20march.htm
And just because they are gay, don’t discount them. You said white people weren’t taking a stand.
Thomas, you sir, are a dunce.
I’ve given you plenty of examples of whites fighting and dying to protect minority rights. Yet you ignore that.
Keep thinking the police are a bunch of racists. Tell that to the police who protect your grandkids and to the families of the cops who died on 9/11.
What a disgrace you are.
Still, the libs cannot answer why the Arab Americans have been relatively silent in their support for the war on terror, but loud as hell regarding being looked at suspiciously. Were I an Arab, I would be ashamed to no end.
It is the duty of all Americans to fight against terrorism. This means giving extra scrutiny to suspicious persons. If you don’t like it, help us win the war on terror so we resume our pre 9/11 lives. Otherwise, I don’t give a damn about your dangerous liberal feelings.
The Liberal Avenger: a legend in his own mind. A stone-cold simpleton to the rest of us…
Most of the “hate” I see around here is coming from leftists.
Liberal Avenger,
A friendly piece of advice. The less you write, the more intelligent you appear to be. Your last post has to be the dumbest thing I’ve read since Michael Moore’s 4th of July op-ed. What good company you are in!
What a maroon…
TLA,
I don’t think John is hiding because, if you hadn’t noticed, we got rid of Saddam and his regime before we had to worry about the bombs and anthrax.
Also, you say we hate:
France
Spain
The Philippines
The Muslim World
The Buddhist World
China
Mexico
I don’t think as a country we hate these groups, but we should be on guard against them. They have there agendas and quite often they are antithetical to our beliefs as a nation.
We real Americans hated France long before they tried to protect their buddy Saddam. Their abject failure to reject Hitler was the starting point.
i just wanted to thank the numerous people who felt compelled to email me about what I wrote. Thank you very much and I’m glad that something that I wrote meant so much to so many. MR. Berrington and Liberal Avenger don’t worry. Some people just enjoy being blind.
Yeah, the poor Muslims are so persecuted. Someone may have called them a “towelhead” or something. They should see the “harrassment” non-Muslims have been getting for years in their toilet homelands.
That’s beautiful. I’ll apologize to my cab driver on the way home tonight.
BUILD AND THEY WILL COME…
This site is fast becoming to be a meeting place of religious bigots and racists. All in the theme of patriotism and paranoia.
Thanks Michelle.
Well, my whole name is out there, Avenger, along with my email address. I never hide it behind retarded superhero names.
And it just shows what a pathetic little loser you are that you bring my mother into it.
I suppose you think that if she taught me to strap on a bomb and blow up some innocent and unsuspecting women and babies she would be a strong and principled woman.
And I like “back of the bus” you are so original. a veritable genius.
Go back to school little boy and get your head on straight.
Standard rightist ju-jitsu.
First, Christians attack innocent people in the US in order to kill innocent people in the US, spew incessant hatred for non-Christians from their churches, and other Christians keep quiet lest they themselves become targets or because, secretly, they agree. After all, everyone should be a Christian, right?
But second, when there is a reaction, non-Christians are supposed to drop everything and go into Full Grovel Mode. “Please forgive us - we will bomb anyone that picks on you. And, for good measure, we will behead some innocent Repugs, too.”
Let’s forget about the fact people are working to violently destroy our civilization. Nope- we should only talk about the Christians who
are victims or, more important, *claim* to be victims.
Anyone who does otherwise is a racist, a hater, a bigot, according to people like Charlie and John . The few actual acts against Christians in this country and others are wrong. That doesn’t mean we obsess about them and pretend we are under some sort of repressive regime.
Remember, folks, the “Liberal Avenger” supports the “Intifada” — the movement that murders pregnant women in front of their children, guns down toddlers in their beds, and blows up busses full of elderly men and women.
How can he have the gall to lecture others about tolerance and not hating?
And, Surge — nice search-and-replace. What a shame it’s completely nonsense. But, hey, using an editor function’s easier than thinking, right?
Oh, there you go again showing off that you used your enormous hacking ability to look at my email address and get my name.
Man, you are AWESOME! I am so impressed. You gonna tell everyone your name?
” nice search-and-replace. What a shame it’s completely nonsense. But, hey, using an editor function’s easier than thinking, right?” Robert Crawford
It makes just as much sense as Chris’ original post.
And yes, using an editor’s functions is easier than thinking, especially when it involves showing the holes in an uninformed conservative’s argument.
That also is easier than thinking. You folks demolish your own arguments.
The Liberal Avenger, Anti_Malkin, etc. posters love to denigrate the intelligence of the anti-liberal posters. Seems to me those folks only want Arabs to vocally and by action respect Americans, just as Arabs say they want Americans to respect them. After 9/11, if it doens’t go both ways, it doesn’t go at all. Americans will no longer wait for death like good little cattle. George W. Bush is doing what all Americans have dreamed of, taking the fight to the scumbags. Many of our current cultural ‘melting pot’ issues, in my opinion, were caused by the liberal PC revolution - hyphenated Americans, ‘your ethnicity is more important than your citizenship’, moral equivalancy for criminals and terrorists, I could go on and on. Thanks a lot liberals, until you shoulder your blame for 9/11, you have no credibility. John Kerry is a prime example.
This country offers more opportunity to a wider range of religions and races than any nation in history.
Today, blacks and hispanics have MORE opportunity than whites thanks to college admission standards, minority scholarships (ever hear of a scholarship being limited to white people), and government contracts that are specified as minority preferred.
Oh yes, minorities are so oppressed.
PS - the history of discrimination against the Irish is well documented. Yet they (we) overcame. I’ve yet to see a sign saying “Muslims need not apply”.
Surge — the only arguments you poked holes in were your own. You might want to brush up on logical fallacies before you try that “reasoning” again.
Surge, if we Christians did that then we deserve to be treated suspiciously. So, please let’s deal with the reality of the situation and not some made up daydream utopia of yours. You know your story has some truth. The Christian church under Hitler became silent under his atrocities, of course he took control of the church’s message and banned the church from speaking any line but what the State allowed them to say, a liberal paradise of political correctness. There were a few brave people who stood up for what was right, such as against abortion, against discriminating against Jews, and the eventual murder of them. This was the confessing church. They believed in the sanctity of life and believed people were responsible for their own behavior, and the govt. didn’t have all the answers. Guess what happened to them, most were killed by the Nazi regime.
I don’t support Arafat training children in the way of hate and deliberately killing themselves and innocent civilians. Very rarely do they target the military just a soft civilian. You are so blind to the truth.
Most people here do not support the murder of anybody. The few that say so are just trying to get a rise out of you.
By while we don’t “support” the murder of anyone, we do most “object” to the murder of Americans.
Why you ask? Because we are Americans! It is okay for the French to put the well being France first. It is okay for Spain to put Spain first. Why is it a problem for America to put the best interests of Americans as a higher priority than anybody else?
It is national unity. America comes first. I expect my government to put America’s interests first. I expect my military to put America’s interest first. And I am all for protecting the lives and liberties of all people worldwide…but I am bound by a sense of national unity to put Americans lives first.
The Palestinians “lost big” in 1967. Who’s fault was that?
KXB says ” In no Western country has there been such gov’t sponsored harassment.”
Umm, as I recall from history class, when the US entered WWII, they rounded up thousands of Japanese Americans and threw them into internment camps. If that isn’t government sponsored persecution, i don’t know what is.
The Palestinians have the right to the land taken from them by the evil Jews in 1948, ‘67, and ‘73. Just because the Israelis kicked the invading Arab armies’ asses all the way back to Amman, Damascus & Cairo is besides the point. Vive La Resistance!!!
All the Moslems who have posted here seem to take it for granted that Americans *owe* their culture and their religion our respect. I’m sorry, but no. Americans owe Muslims, citizens or not, the same respect as *individuals* that we owe everyone else. No one deserves to be harrassed or assaulted with bottles, and those who break the law should be punished. However, America is a *western* country and many Americans would rather preserve our 4,000 year traditions, as carried over here by our ancestors, than throw them out the window in the name of “multiculturalism”.
Liberal Avenger, I would love to see the Palestinians get a state and live in peace. I’d love to see them — EVERYONE! — free, happy, wealthy, healthy, and in peace.
But that’s not what the Intifada’s about, or what the Palestinians (or at least their leaders) want.
Do you remember what happened right before Arafat kicked off the latest round of terrorist atrocities (what you call the Intifada)? Sharon offered him 90% of what the Palestinians say they want.
What was Arafat’s reaction? Did he try to negotiate? Did he say, ‘well, that’s a starting point, so let’s see what we can do’?
No. He rejected it and started sending terrorists into Israel to kill women and children. Oh, he masked it behind a whine about Netanyahu visiting the Temple Mount, but his own lieutenants have admitted it was planned long before that.
Read what the Palestinians themselves say, “Avenger”, and what THEY think the Intifada means. It doesn’t mean getting a state NEXT TO Israel — they could have had that a hundred times over in the last twenty, thirty years. To them it means having a state IN PLACE OF Israel.
For some reason you’re focusing on the mistakes Israel has made while ignoring that Arafat and the Palestinians treat dead children not as something to regret, but as something to celebrate.
I’m pretty sure how you’ll react to what I’ve written here. I hope I’m wrong, though.
Only other cultures are allowed to want want to keep their traditions and anscetral roots Marc.
Now the whackos are going to call you a racist.
And where is that name Avenger? Or do you only have balls when you are dressed up in your anonymous Liberal Superhero persona?
“The media reports acts of Police Violence. It’s wrong but I don’t see anyone complaining against police profiling, which leads to police brutality on black males. Most of you seem to think profiling is good. When young blacks are murdered by punk, crooked cops how many people on this board even give a damn, cause if yall do you’ve got funny ways of showing it. All I was saying is that in general white america turns a deaf ear to the cries of blacks being attacked. I hear no passionate speeches from white america. How can you expect others (american muslims) to yell out about evil is done to us (the USA) when white america doesn’t seem to give a damn about plight others are going through. And by the way I’m a 55 year old white grandfather and i can see the double standard very clearly.”
Actually, Thomas, you are an ass. Something like 80-90% of interracial crime is black on white. Yet when blacks attack whites for their race, no one complains. Blacks certainly don’t. My sister (white) was robbed by a gang of black men in a parking lot at the mall last year who spat on her and called her derogatory names because she is white. She went to the police and the (black) police officer told her that she was “making it up”!
John said:
“PS - the history of discrimination against the Irish is well documented. Yet they (we) overcame. I’ve yet to see a sign saying “Muslims need not apply”.”
Oh, please John! What the Irish went through was jack compared to what we Italians went through! My great-grandfather got beaten up by a gang of racist Irishmen when he came to this country and tried to learn English. To this day, I have to see my people denigrated as mobsters on film (the Godfather) and television (the Sopranos).
This could be fun… Battle of “who’s most oppressed…”
“Umm, as I recall from history class, when the US entered WWII, they rounded up thousands of Japanese Americans and threw them into internment camps. If that isn’t government sponsored persecution, i don’t know what is.”
Joe, they also rounded up thousands of Italian-Americans and threw them into internment camps, though you won’t learn that in public school because Italian-Americans are white.
I’m most oppressed!
No one is more oppressed than the French!!! Freedom Fries, indeed!!
Oh! And did I mention that, as a gay man, I’m not allowed to donate blood? Every time I try, I get PROFILED by the Red Cross because I’m at “high-risk” for some alleged “disease”! This blatent INEQUALITY must be arrested at once, and the blood of homosexuals should be made available for all.
I’m most oppressed!
“Something like 80-90% of interracial crime is black on white.” Marc
And about 99% of over 200 years of the interracial crime of institutionalized, systematic and economic racism is white on black.
The 1% is by the J.C. Watts, Clarence Thomas’ and Jesse Jacksons of the world.
And you know what asinine con’s like you tell me? “Get over it!”
Liberal Avenger–
Your last post shows that you are capable of staking out an intelligent, sensible position. In my opinion, it’s a shame you don’t show this tendency more often.
Surge–
That’s right my friend: Grow up and move on! Italians got beaten up and discriminated against when they came over here too. It was wrong. But we aren’t still whining about it because we have grown up and moved on.
Now if you personally are being discriminated against because you are black, then by all means raise a ruckus. But the fact that your ancestors were discriminated against doesn’t mean diddly to me, and the fact that your’s were enslaved shouldn’t dominate your perspective.
Besides, whites died to free black slaves–slaves who were sold into slavery by other blacks in Africa. When was the last time that blacks waged a war against other blacks for the white man’s benefit?
Hmmm…
Liberal Avenger–
First of all I’m not a conservative. Second of all I’m very compassionate. Part of being a compassionate person means that you recognize the best potential in someone. And when people trot out and dust off two hundred year old crimes against their ethnic group and white about, these people are acting like children. I am compassionately telling them that they are better than that.
Yikes! My passion got the better of me and I forget to spellcheck my last two posts.
Second to last line of my last post should read:
And when people trot out and dust off two hundred year old crimes against their ethnic group and whine about them, these people are acting like children.
“However, America is a *western* country and many Americans would rather preserve our 4,000 year traditions, as carried over here by our ancestors, than throw them out the window in the name of “multiculturalism”.” Marc
It’s reassuring to know that Western European culture has the monopoly on validity here in the U.S. and the rest of us trying to preserve our traditions from various cultures are just ungrateful savages.
When did I call anyone an ungrateful savage? I didn’t. I just said that America is a western nation and we westerners have a right to preserve our traditions and cultures, just like everyone else does.
While you are all cheering Anti-Malkin (Stupid name by the way) you all must have your heads in a part of your anatomy I don’t want to think about. Hey AM read the article. No where in it does Mrs. Malkin state any opinion. The first part is from a Washington Post article and the second is from Captian’s Quarters. And to all our Muslim visitors I have not heard one of you state that you are against the islamofacist terror campaign (not here nor in the mainstream media). You are worried about your families…well guess what so is the rest of America.
Hey Angry Frogface you need to read a little history the Palistinians want the land taken from them??? First the land given to Israel came from Jordan, Syria and Egypt. The occupied terroritories were spoils of war After Jordan, Syria and Egypt all ganged up and attacked Israel (And soundly got their butts kicked). The Palistinians have not had a “homeland” for at least a decade before Israel ever came into existance.
And finally to all my favorite Liberals especially LA I see you are all back to your usual tactics…nice to know some things never change.
Oh btw Surge, you never did answer my question. When WAS the last time that blacks, specifically, went to war with other blacks for the benefit of whites? Hmmm?
…you’re… …welcome…
No, in today’s world I AM MOST OPPRESSED. I’m a white man, cleary the source of all evil in the world, Susan Sontag said so.
LA
I don’t know about please but you do amuse me very much…thanks for the laugh track
James Kottoff, you are an Ugly American Pig. I fart in your general direction!
“So what do we do? Do we support the status quo? The status quo doesn’t seem like much of a solution either.”
It’s better than supporting terrorists. Which is what you do.
I think I figured out the disconnect between us, “Liberal Avenger”. You’re using the word “Intifada” with your own personal definition (perhaps you think it means “resistance” or just “protest”?). I’m using the real definition — “uprising”. In the context of Israel, an “intifada” is a campaign of terrorist violence. So when you say you support “the Intifada”, what else should I take it to mean?
Should Israel accomodate the creation of a Palestinian state? Absolutely!
Should Israel accomodate the creation of a Palestinian state run by terrorists who openly call for genocide? Absolutely not!
The second condition is what exists today, and until the situation changes on the Palestinian side, there should be no state for them, there should be no rewards for them. There should be no people with any morals supporting them.
Speaking of the Middle East, where is all of the concern for that other occupied country.. you know the one…I mean the one that used to have a majority Christian populace…Lebanon. They are still occupied by Syria. They have this great humanitarian organization there to maintain the peace…you know who I mean…Hezabola.The Cristians there are being persecuted and driven out. Where is the concern by Kofi Anan? Zip. What about their right of return? Nobody cares. What is the official viewpoint of CAIR? It would be wrong if the oppressed were muslims but as they are dhimme and infidels, who cares!
“Oh btw Surge, you never did answer my question. When WAS the last time that blacks, specifically, went to war with other blacks for the benefit of whites? Hmmm?
…you’re… …welcome…” Marc
The Civil War, WWII, Korea, Vietnam,…shall I go on?
Instead of looking DOWN on your fellow Americans (and illegals), some of you need to start looking UP at our political leaders, corporate CEO’s, and so-called “expert” social commentators who exploit and divide ALL of us and are profiting out of our division and misery.
MANY of our problems stem from the TOP-DOWN, not from the BOTTOM-UP, as these misery profiteers would have you believe.
Does any of this sound familiar:
The Qur’an also teaches for Muslims to enter into exile in lands where Islam is not the dominant force, and to stir up trouble, so that this persecution will come as the natives in those lands protect the integrity of their sovereignty.
“Those who believed, and adopted exile, and fought for the Faith, with their property and their persons, in the cause of Allah, as well as those who gave them asylum and aid,- these are all friends and protectors, one of another. As to those who believed but came not into exile, ye owe no duty of protection to them until they come into exile; but if they seek your aid in religion, it is your duty to help them, except against a people with whom ye have a treaty of mutual alliance. And remember Allah seeth all that ye do. The Unbelievers are protectors, one of another: Unless ye do this, protect each other, there would be tumult and oppression on earth, and great mischief.” (Surah 8:72-73)
In this passage, “adopted exile” is translated from the root form hjr , which has as its primary meaning the ideas of containment or confinement, and can carry the connotation of being quarantined or compartmentalised. The idea garnered from this verse seems to be as follows: adopt exile in a foreign land, voluntarily confining yourself in a non-Muslim society. Eschew assimilating into the culture and way of life of the host country, and instead agitate for Islam. When opposition arises, join together and give aid and fight for Allah against the unbelievers, since voilà, persecution has arisen! Hence, what is touted as a defensive doctrine is in reality carried out in an offensive manner.
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Islam IS a hate crime. Would be just fine if they all went back where they belong, they sure don’t belong here.
Surge, you got it all wrong. Michelle is not anti-immigrant (I believe her parents are immigrants) but rather anti-illegal-immigrant. She advocates against the seeming policy of open borders in this country. Are you a murderer? No problem, welcome to the country! Are you a drug runner? No problem, welcome to the country! Are you a terrorist? No problem, welcome to the country! Are you a border control agent? How dare you do your job! Maybe we should just let the borders wide open. If we have 20-30 million people flooding into this country each year, soon we’ll look like India. No social programs, 50 million homeless people. Famine. Criminals running rampant. It sounds like a paradise doesn’t it. If you say I am being rediculous, then what is the acceptable number per year? Should it matter if the people entering are criminals or not? Should it matter if the people are on terrorist watch lists and want to do Americans harm? Should it matter if they are bringing 10 pounds of heroin with them? Explosives? Slaves? (It’s true–sex trade). I believe in legal immigration. Immigrants should be able to speak English in addition to their native tongues. They should know about and be prepared to follow the law. If they have criminal records, they should be denied access unless approved by a three judge panel. They should bring their skills, ambition, hard work, dreams and patriotism. The USA is a nation of immigrants. That is what made us strong. To deny this would be foolish but uncontrolled, unregulated, unsupervised, illegal immigration is foolish in the extreme.
Anyone who has respect for that religion has never so much as thumbed through the Koran. It’s an overt slander on all recieved scripture. Respect for the religion is contempt for those deceived by it.
Anti-Malkin: Some of your comments appear to be valid; intolerance in the USA is inappropriate, and more importantly, may very well be illegal; it goes against the very grain of the democracy that was established here — by those who fled intolerance in Old Europe; given these factors, many of us still wonder: why, on Sep. 11, many Muslims living here in the US, were seen celebrating the terrorist act that occurred on that date; why, after watching Steve Emerson’s video, was Emerson persecuted by virtually every mainstream Muslim organization in the USA when he provided invaluable information to the public regarding radical Islamists here, and clearly stated that the work was not intended to adversely reflect on the vast majority of American muslims who are not Islamists; why mainstream Muslim organizations here in the USA have been clearly involved with support of recognized terrorist organizations whose raison d’etre is the destruction of the US, maiming and killing innocent civilians, etc.; while there are clearly some, and perhaps many Muslims who have assisted authorities in investigating radical Islamists in the US, why, more Muslims do not come forward with information about terrorist cells in the US — do you really believe that the few that were caught and prosecuted were the only ones here; where are the American Muslims who have knowledge of the presence of radicals here in the US; the questions go on and on, but the answers are too few; these questions are NOT to justify prejudice or persecution against innocent Muslims; there is no justification for that; these questions are for the Muslims who comlain about persecution in the USA, yet possess information that would be helpful in investigating radical elements, but do not provide that information.
PS: not intended to compete with Mrs. Malkin’s site, but another website that is interesting and follows similar threads, may be of interest to those who are involved with this site; the URL is:
http://www.melaniephillips.com/diary/
“The Palestinians lost big in 1948 and they lost big again in 1967.”
Both times hoping their Arab ‘brothers’ would push the Jews into the sea.
Dunno, kinda reduces that whole “underdog” effect for me.
“They are a poor, repressed people under siege. I support their struggle to establish a self-governed land that is their own.”
So losing in an attempt to slaughter Jews makes one a poor, repressed people under siege? Does this apply to all groups that tried that, or just the ones you declare as politically correct?
Three things:
1. Islam is a religion, not a race. to despise and revile the religion of Islam is not to promote racism, but is rather a cultural thang. Please get your terms straight. All criticism is NOT racism.
2. If a muslim is both scared and not in support of the murder of innocent persons, then SPEAK OUT - against suicide bombers, against suicide hijackers, against murderous speech. And use your real names, you cowardly wankers.
3. We have ALL experienced some discrimination, some threat due to our religion and/or ethnicity. I’m English, Irish, Scots, French & Cherokee. Which of my ethnic ancestors (and some of it damn recently) have NOT been discriminated against, herded from their homes, been enslaved, been derided and insulted and threatened, at some time?! Grow some dignity, won’t you?!
Oh, yeah, and I have personally been the target of encountered religious, ethnic and sexual descrimination as well. I do know whereof I speak here. To play the victim (o po’ po’ pitiful you) is just weak. THAT’s what I mean by grow some dignity. You want respect? Earn it. Quit waffling, and speak what you mean. If you don’t support the slaughter of innocents, then just say so. Out loud. In public.
“Forty-two percent of Muslim Arabs interviewed for the survey in Detroit…..feel their religion is not respected by mainstream society.”
The 56% that think that Islam is still respected by the American mainstream concern me. They aren’t getting it. Have they not noticed the news the past few years? 9/11? With Allah Akbar invoked at every beheading and bloody terror scene, hate mongering immams the only public voice of their clerics, 72 virgins awarded to cold blooded killers, the majority of Muslim women mere chatel, jihad, primative sharia laws, etc, and they aren’t indicating a concern about Islam’s perception in the eyes of their fellow citizens?
Sorry, I have no sympathy for Muslim’s hurt feelings. They need to end their denial, denounce publically terrorism and reform the barbaric aspects of their religion.
It’s a ridiculous premise, advanced by the vacuous multiculturalists, that all cultures and religions should at every place in time be accorded equal respect. Islamis fascism is the scourge of our times.
Hey, Surge, you were asked this question…..”When WAS the last time that blacks, specifically, WENT TO WAR WITH OTHER BLACKS for the benefit of whites?”
Your answered with this statement: “The Civil War, WWII, Korea, Vietnam”……
So, who were these blacks that FOUGHT AGAINST OTHER BLACKS to stop the end of slavery? And just what black regiments did Hitler, North Korea and the Viet Cong have that fought against American blacks? And why?
Could it be, Surge, that your reading skills are not up to par? And, your flippant answer is silly because you did not read carefully the question, and consequently, didn’t answer the question asked of you?
Surge,
You lack a basic understanding of SIMPLE economics. You preach about low pay that unskilled and low skilled workers get…do you know why? mass immigration of unskilled/low skilled labor…economics 101 supply and demand…more unskilleded/low skilled workers means lower wages. Fewer workers for those jobs means higher wages…so stuff the complaint about low wages for unskilled/low skill workers by immigrating in mass they are driving their own wages down.
And as far as the government and corporations sharing the blame I agree that the immigration reform act of 1986 should be enforced, but every time it is attempted the liberals scream racism…look at what happened in California when the ICE started sweeps. But it has to be handled from both ends top and bottom.
And as far as basic heath care…millions of native born and legal immigrants do not have basic health care…are you saying that illegal immigrants should have more rights then citizens and legal immigrants?
Angry Frenchman better you fart in my direction then breathe in it. And Freedom fries rule!
And LA I don’t send fruit baskets to anyone. And you may think it raises everyones standard of living but not always in communities that rely on unskilled jobs nor communies that have to bear the brunt of illegal immigration.
I think that all the open borders crowd is missing one basic point… If people leave their country in mass for a better life here then who is going to stay and fix the problems there?
muslim hate crime epidemic a myth? open your eyes.
that’s all i’m going to say
Right on, James! If they spent half the energy they do complaining about how bad they have it here (conveniently ignoring the fact they are here illegally) imagine the change they could accomplish in thier own country. Rather than stay and fight and push for change, they automatically give up and head here..
Those who want to come here for economic reasons would do better by directing their energies in their home countries and effecting change there for political and economic change.
As for those of you whining about Michelle being “anti-immigrant” that’s the standard label liberals give anyone who expresses any opinion that even vaguely hints of negativity toward illegal aliens. Yawn. Get a new pro-open-borders label.