Kill the Bill: Call the GOP wafflers and sign the Secure Borders Now petition Update: Hutchison to oppose shamnesty? Update: The no’s are rolling in
S. 1639, the Bush-Kennedy shamnesty bill, will hit the Senate floor soon. US News reports there will be slight delay until the beginning of next week because of energy bill infighting. But make no mistake: Shamnesty’s coming. And it’s time to hit the phones. According to Numbers USA, the following members are the crucial GOP wafflers. Click each name for more contact info or flood the amnesty hotline number at 1-800-417-7666 to get through. Things are brewing behind closed doors–Kaus calls it “eerie“–so speak now or forever hold your peace:
***Update: Dem don’t knows: Webb and Bingaman.***
***Update: *** Here’s Sen. Hutchison’s announcement…
U.S. Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-TX), Chairman of the Republican Policy Committee, today announced she will vote against bringing the immigration bill back to the Senate floor at this time.
In the coming days the Senate is expected to vote on Cloture on the Motion to Proceed to S. 1348, the immigration bill. Sen. Hutchison said today she will oppose the cloture motion because the current bill includes amnesty provisions and more time is needed to discuss ways to strengthen the bill through an open amendment process.
“I have opposed the current immigration bill because I believe we can provide a workable guest worker program without amnesty, and this bill appears to be going in the opposite direction,” said Sen. Hutchison. “Until major changes are made that reject amnesty and a more open, fair process emerges for debating one of the most crucial issues facing our nation, I cannot support this immigration bill.
Sen. Hutchison has filed a “return home” amendment which would require adult illegal immigrants to return to their home country within two years of receiving their Secure ID, also known as their temporary “Z” visa.
The amendment is co-sponsored by Senators Bob Corker (R-TN) and Lamar Alexander (R-TN). Sen. Hutchison also opposes the provision added to the bill which would sunset the temporary worker program after five years.
***Update: Ed Morrissey reports that Sen. Hutchison is set to vote against the shamnesty bill…”A Senate source told me a few minutes ago that Hutchison intends to vote against cloture, and will have a statement to that effect later today. Keep your eyes and ears open on this development.” ***
***Update: Sens. Chambliss and Isakson are also opposing the bill.***
Lamar Alexander (Tennessee)
Robert Bennett (Utah)
Saxby Chambliss (Georgia)
Thad Cochran (Mississippi)
Norm Coleman (Minnesota)
Susan Collins (Maine)
Larry Craig (Idaho)
Pete Domenici (New Mexico)
Judd Gregg (New Hampshire)
Orrin Hatch (Utah)
Kay Bailey Hutchison (Texas)
Johnny Isakson (Georgia)
Jon Kyl (Arizona)
Trent Lott (Mississippi) — (IMO, don’t bother)
Mitch McConnell (Kentucky.)
Lisa Murkowski (Alaska)
Olympia Snowe (Maine)
Ted Stevens (Alaska)
John Warner (Virginia).
More legislative info and alerts here.
Meanwhile, stalwart amensty opponent Sen. James Inhofe has a new petition site up: Secure Borders Now. Sign here. Sen. Inhofe is also guest-blogging at Captain’s Quarters and will be on CQ radio today. Tune in.
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House Dems are holding “listening sessions” on immigration. Hey, Nancy: Hear this.
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Whoa! Inhofe is tapping into conservative blog resources? GOP leadership never does that!
Either he’s seeing the importance of the new media, or he knows how bad off we are as a movement because of the shamnesty nonsense and is tapping into every available resource to stop the GOP from throwing itself in its own sword.
I wish people would stand up and ask politicians,”How are we to trust you if you can not simply protect the borders of our country?” It’s a simple question that they can not simply answer, republicans and democrats alike.
That assumes the staffers you talk to will actually get that message to thier bosses.
Check out http://www.thecapitolist.com
You’ll find little jewels there like this:
“Senate staffers: Please tell your members to vote in favor
of the immigration bill….so these ignorant f*****s will stop calling us!!!! ”
And:
“…because Voters are stupid”
There’s lots more.
Scary. This is what’s running our country.
Oh, and yeah, I wouldn’t bother with Lott either. His arrogance in this debacle is only outmatched by the hysterical Lindsey Graham.
I just wanted to thank you, Michelle. Because of your coverage of the “shamnesty” bill, I have written to both of my Senators here in Virginia and have expressed my displeasure with this bill. I have urged my friends to do the same. Hopefully, this bill will be defeated once and for all because of the vigilence of people like yourself.
Dont forget Senor Grahamnesty(D):
Lindsey Graham:
Washington, D.C.: 202-224-5972
Greenville, SC: 864-250-1417
Columbia, SC: 803-933-0112
email Forum
My senators are both Kennedy-following Democrats (Levin and Stabenow). Will any other state’s senators even take my calls?
Uh, why bother with Grahamnesty?
I’d be wasting my time calling Land Office Harry. The other one is an enigma, I don’t get any idea from the office whether he’ll keep voting no.
Dude, I wouldn’t waste time or the cost of stamps on Grahamnesty, unless you’re just venting, and if you do, keep it PG, don’t give the hysterical crybaby ammo.
I have signed the petition and included the following message with my signature:
“This is not a partisan issue - the performance of the federal government over the last two decades with regard to illegal immigration (under both Republicans and Democrats) has simply been horrible. As a result of this long-term record of failure, you must understand that neither Congress nor the President has any credibility currently on this issue whatsoever.
The only way for any credibility to be restored on this issue is to demonstrate through actions and results that border security has truly been obtained and all existing laws are being fully enforced and this bill certainly does not accomplish that goal.
The primary focus of this bill is not border security, it is the granting of Z-visas to provide legal status to people who have intentionally violated federal law and allow these same individuals to avoid the customary punishment (deportation) for these violations.
I believe most people consider this concept to be amnesty (as do I), but even if you do not accept that term the Z-visa program is utterly incompatible with the notion of the ‘rule of law’ in our country and is an insult to the millions of people around the world who have been patiently waiting for years in many cases to come to America through legal methods.
There are many, many other flaws with this bill - I believe this is truly the worst piece of legislation to be considered by Congress in generations.
I have never contacted any member of Congress on any other issue prior to the debate on this bill and I will not forget how Congress conducts itself over the coming weeks on the issue of illegal immigration.
I urge you in the strongest possible terms to vote against both cloture and final passage of this bill.”
b/c he at least used to be a true conservative. This is really out of left field for him. He has a record of being pro-life, anti gay marriage, he supports the troop surge and understands the importance of not pulling out of Iraq, and has been a very outspoken supporter of Bush. He just needs to remember that he is Washington to do what his constituents want of him. This recent behavior is unlike him, and comes at a big surprise. Still, it is unacceptable and Americans need to hold hid feet to the fire!
Send a binky to Grahamnesty.
I’ve emailed Larry Craig. Don’t know if it’ll do any good, though. I do know that if he votes either for the bill, or for cloture, he’s lost my support.
Graham’s email forum:
http://lgraham.senate.gov/index.cfm?mode=contactform
Read this morning that Hutchinson was leaning No on it. Would be nice to see confirmed by MM readers.
Sad part is this wouldn’t even be a problem, wouldn’t need legislation and wouldn’t have to be crammed down our throats if they just enforced what is already on the book. Honestly we never have, but this is as good a time to start as any.
How can a Christian person reject open borders?
I wonder how many times they’ll keep bringing this thing back?
What???
Mangle1 - do you really want to go there? For starters, how about
? That is, respect the law.
Other than that, how is it relevant?
I seem to have lost the ability to leave trackbacks when comments were enabled. I linked from Bill’s Bites >> 2006.06.21 “No Illegal Left Behind” Roundup.
I have an entire song parody on these ridiculous amnesty pushers on my blog, here.
I based it off the Tune of The Proclaimers’ I’m Gonna Be(500 miles).
Tell me what you think.
Here’s hoping Frankenamnesty sets killed.
At this point, I don’t have much faith in the Senate over this immigration bill. Last year or so a much milder version of the immigration bill was introduced and passed by the Senate but was, thankfully, defeated in the House over a constitutional issue. The current immigration bill will probably meet a similar fate should (when) it passes the Senate.
What is reassuring is the rising demand for order by the public. Yes, while there has been an ongoing outrage over the government’s failure to enforce current border law, there really hasn’t been a demand for enforcing those laws by a majority of society. Now we are seeing that demand and the House seems to be reacting appropriately, as it is supposed to.
New Truther Movement. How many American deaths by illegal aliens is our Government responsible for since 1986 when they failed to enforce the security part of the last amnesty? I’m not asking about all the other many crimes or even the strain illegal’s put on our system, just the deaths? Does anyone have this information, I’m sure it would be eye opening?
Just read on polipundit that Georgia’s two senators are voting against this thing. Haven’t seen it anywhere else. Anybody else see this?
We had Walton and Johnson, Talk Radio, they were constanly stating the need for Border Security and then last month the Dallas Radio Station, that carried them, dropped them, they said because of low ratings..they are still on other Radio Stations Houston, their hub for one. One of my favorite comments they used to make was their solution to Illegal Aliens, was simple they compared it to Ants..If you take the sugar off the table the Ants will leave..stop letting them work without legal papers and they will leave. Like I said, they are not on the Air in Dallas anymore it was a little before the first Amenesty Bill was brought up again…why is it always The Talk Radio People? Because alot of us have to drive, we are captive audiences, we probably listen to at least, one of these Shock Jocks or Disc Jockeys, once a day. I am guessing there are people, that want to control the message coming out of our Radios…corporate america the sameones who want cheap labor.
Senator Hutchison is thinking about a run for Texas governor in 2010. Let’s go Texans…tell KBH that Texans won’t elect a pro amnesty governor! Also make sure you tell her a vote for cloture is no different than a vote for amnesty. Email or fax her every day and let her know how you think.
Mr Lott and Mr. Graham:
If I am sitting in the Senate visitors gallery, and I sneak onto the Senate floor, do you think I should automatically become an ‘Undocumented Senator’? If not, why not?
If I then pay a $5000 fine, do you think I should I get to vote on Senate bills? If not, why not?
AlohaGuy, would Jesus deport people?
(Michelle would.)
If you have a boat and it is full, do you then take in more people and sink the boat so that we all would perish! Please look at the facts before posting such a question.
I won’t believe a single thing our government says about immigration until I see the following:
1) Lawbreaking aliens (DUI, hit and run, felonies, etc.) fined, their assets seized, and deported.
2) Employers of illegals fined for every illegal found on their payroll, and their executives jailed for doing so.
3) Border Patrol agents receiving commendations for capture and return of illegal aliens, and all current incarcerated agents (Ramos, etc.) released from jail WITH BACK PAY AND A PROMOTION.
4) So-called sanctuary cities cut off from all federal funds.
5) Invalidation of any election result in which illegal aliens were found to have voted, and the county in which such illegal voting occurred cut off from all federal funds until this is corrected.
planetgeo, you’re using caps and punctuation…
You must be one of them loud people that listens to talk radio…
;-}
I’ve already written to both my Senators.. not sure it will help. This is my 2nd letter on this subject. I never even got an acknowledgement to the first one. Usually they send me something, even if it’s just a copy of of a press release or white paper clarifiying their stance.
I don’t have much optimism though. Collins is a major ‘follow the party line no matter what’ kinda Senator. Pretty much nose right to W.’s butt. And Snowe, God Bless Her, tries to do what ‘the people’ want.. unfortunately this is a Blue State. I know she means well. But with the almost total lack of immigration control here (Canadian border)… Mainers have a serious case of it ain’t broke don’t fix it going on. They don’t see what it’s doing to the rest of the country. M13 isn’t on our streets… and for that I am eternally grateful.. but maybe if they were we could get some thinking going on here instead of the ‘it’s not our problem’ crap I get from most people.
Does this mean that all of my “A VOTE FOR CLOTURE IS A VOTE FOR AMNESTY” emails to Sen. Hutchinson might have actually paid off?
@Planetgeo
I think you are right.
@jdawg
oh no… my first day and I’ve already messed up. Not allowed to use caps and punctuation? Next you will be telling me that grammer is also not allowed
Does that mean I’m only allowed to write like an /lol cat?? hehe
Hutchison is my Senator and I sent her 3 letters in 3 days asking her to vote against this AMNESTY bill in all configurations…
I also pointed out that I had been a supporter of hers since she started in politics and that if she didn’t do everything in her power to stop this debacle, I would be supporting someone a lot more Conservative in the next election she runs in…
That’s what we need to do I think, make these lawmakers painfully aware, you vote FOR amnesty and WE vote YOU out…
I’ve called and asked both Hutchison and Cornyn to stand for securtiy first. I hope they’re listening. I’ve written several letters and post cards over the years, but so far, I’m still spinning my wheels.
I really hope Senators get behind the majority on this issue. Otherwise, the GOP is going to have some real issues the next election cycle.
Last time I checked, Jesus wasn’t a politician or an enforcer of the law. You’re comparing apples to oranges.
OK, good news here:
http://noamaskew.blogspot.com/2007/06/at-last-some-certain-information.html
GA senators voting against cloture. At least they’re listening to thier constituents.
I’ve been emailing both Cornyn and Hutchison about this bill. Good to hear it may actually be having an effect.
signed the petition. we need to unseat the rinos and replace with true conservs regardless of party
My morning routine at work over the last month has started out with me sending emails each day to Cornyn and Hutchinson … they’re probably sick of hearing from me. But if I in any way helped persuade them to do the right thing and vote against this abomination then I can live with them being sick of me.
keep calling, keep emailing. Drowning in contacts is the only way to get them to listen.
one more msg to Bennett(UT) from a constituent. Hopefully he’ll listen.
After 29 years I have left the Republican party and registered as an Independent. My wife will be getting her citizenship by the end of the year and will also register as an Independent. The republican party will NEVER get a penny from our family ever again.
I’m from Texas, so KBH is my Senator, too.
Unfortunately, she spent most of her career following in McCain’s footsteps - so when she expressed interest in contending against Rick Perry in his last governorship race, the Texas GOP told her politely to be thankful if she is able to hang on to her own seat, which was last year.
I was distressed to discover that write-ins in that category were blocked on our new electronic ballots, and she won very handily - in view of our very recent major victories of the Texas Dim Party.
I worried she might expend some of her (6 years worth of) perceived margin of leeway to revert to supporting her friend, McCain, again, for a couple of years, and then try to rebuild herself again in time for her own ambitions.
It seems she has perceived that regardless of her strong last re-election win, she’ll have no future if she tries to run with the Dim herd any further, as she was want to do in the ’90’s.
Anyway, glad the letter-writing to KBH is working, at least!
let them know where your vote is heading if they sign this, that’s what they’ll listen to.
keep emailing, keep calling, they’ll have to listen eventually, and not just to talk radio, to us.
one more msg to Bennett(UT) from a constituent.
According to the latest polls, The Dem led Congress now has an approval rating of only 14% and only a 3% approval rating on the issue of immigration.
I hope this works…
On June 21st, 2007 at 1:08 pm, mangle1 said:
How can a Christian person reject open borders?
The United Methodist Church’s official stance on Illegal Immigrants is that all illegals should have the same constitutional rights as US citizens and they encourage all of their members to push their legislators for immediate amnesty for all illegals.
http://www.umc.org
http://archives.umc.org/interior.asp?ptid=4&mid=1062
Is this not the most insane thing you have ever heard??????
If you stop at a four way stop sign with your car, do you stay there and let all other traffic go for all time?
No, of course not, it’s OK to take your turn, this is a part of natural law, we all have a right to our space which translates in nation states as sovereignty.
We have an obligation to our own responsibilities as a natural, God given right.
Jesus could walk on water, turn water into wine and feed the multitude with a few fish and some loaves of bread.
America however has finite resources and as individuals we have rights and that includes the rule of law.
The Bible recognized the need for laws and that without laws, chaos and anarchy would rule in their place.
Well, lesse…
Jesus was the man who went into the temple with a vine whip, turned over tables, and lashed out at the money changers because they were violating his Father’s house.
Jesus was the man who built a career out of exposing hypocrites who loudly proclaimed their faith in the streets while ignoring the true commands of God.
Jesus was the man who said to render under Ceaser what is Ceaser’s and render unto God what is God’s.
Maybe you believe in the liberal Jesus: Jesus the pansy, Jesus the weak-kneed, Jesus the inoffensive, Jesus the all-saving-regardless-of-repentance.
My Jesus, however, was a strict adherent to laws both religious and standard. He would, based on his record, both forgive illegals who were willing to immigrate the right way, and condemn those who disobeyed the laws and had no plan of repenting.
What say you mangle? I mean, if you’re going to be asking WWJD (rhetorically, of course), you should at least know his background. Then again, liberals only like Jesus on election years and talk about “injecting” faith into thier rhetoric. Faith isn’t something you inject, it’s something you believe honestly.
Called, emailed and faxed every one of them on the list—including Lott, fwiw.
However, I am very concerned.
Last week, it took me nearly two hours to get through to all the Senators that needed to be reached. Today, I finished in less than a half hour, and only got busy signals for McConnell and Hutchison. Not a good sign.
Send a link to Michelle’s post to everyone in your address books. Now is not the time to go soft.
I wonder what he would think of such “Christians” today, eager and willing to judge.
for abinitioadinfinitum, a very old joke, modified only slightly:
Boat’s overloaded, ready to sink. Captain says it needs to be lightened by 400 pounds. British chap stands up, shouts “Long live the Queen” and jumps over the side. Frenchman stands up and shouts “Viva la France,” over the side. Big Texan stands up, shouts “Remeber the Alamo,” throws out two illegals.
Bill:
That’s borderline. Ethnic jokes should be told with care. That one’s funny but close to being tossed.
RM
Even though I knew it was hopeless, I wrote to my RINO Senator, Mel Martinez. Needless to say, no repsonse received.
Just fired off a note to Senator Hutchison.
Thanks, Ms. Malkin, for keeping us current on this issue.
Hopefully, Senator Hutchison will not disappoint us Texans.
Guys!
Just read through the comments and saw a few people who only contacted their own Senators.
You can contact ALL of them, regardless of where you live.
Tell them you will never give another dime to the RNC and will actively campaign against anyone who supports this bill.
Hey, mangle,
What do ya think Jesus would say about abortion? Hmmmm?
Same way a Christian can lock the door of their home and business against thieves, and pay taxes for a policeman to guard them.
Did You see a Biblical example of Jesus encouraging people to SIN? of Jesus REWARDING people IN THEIR SIN?
He told a lot of them He saved and healed to QUIT SINNING - He didn’t REWARD their sin or wipe away the Judicial consequences of it.
He didn’t take the thief He saved down off that cross, did He?
You won’t find Him telling a thief he could keep the goods he stole - God’s law was that a thief caught must repay 2, 4, or 7 times what they stole - and when Ananias complained about being sent to heal the man who would become the Apostle Paul, because of all the horrible things he had done to Christians, God told him not to worry, for He had shown Paul all he must suffer for God’s sake - and if you look at his life, how he was hounded, stoned to death several times, etc - Paul wasn’t “let off the hook” by God’s merciful forgiveness of REPENTED sins.
You cannot find an incident in the Bible where God took a terrible sin, no matter how widespread, and an ultimate good thing came from it. For instance, in the old testament, God told the people to divorce the heathen wives who worshipped the Queen of Heaven and to disavow their children, also - of the peoples God had ordered them NOT TO MARRY in the first place.
God did not relent until they did so. Many places can be found where the intermarriage or intermingling caused repurcussions to this day - NONE of them were for GOOD.
God never condones sin. There was and remains a LEGAL way into the USA, if it doesn’t provide enough opportunities, there are LEGAL WAYS to open that up.
Another poster was right - you cannot do a good thing for them by swamping the boat.
You cannot rob Peter to pay Paul.
You cannot call that which is unclean, clean.
Jesus would NOT be a Socialist.
If you don’t see the incompatibility between Socialism and the Bible, then you haven’t read the Bible as much as you have the Marxisms.
I am reminded of a Parable Jesus told of a Vineyard owner who got it in prime condition, then rented it out - but the renters killed all his agents sent to collect the rent, and finally, even his son, saying they would steal the vineyard with his death.
Jesus said, what will the owner do to the renters for this (not paying their dues and also killing those who came to collect it). The people said, he will kill the evil renters and find new renters who will pay the rent.
THAT is what Jesus would say to you about these illegal aliens.
Are you telling the owners they have no rights over their own property?
We are not talking about a small corner for the poor to glean, in this instance.
Thanks for not responding mangle.
And btw, Jesus commanded us to make moral judgements on actions. Jesus may have said “let he who has sinned cast the first stone,” but he also told the woman “go and sin no more.”
Since Jesus isn’t around anymore, someone has to make his precepts clear. These people are known as “Christians,” perhaps you’ve heard of them?
And speaking of non-judgementalism, liberals are great at that, aren’t they? If you oppose embryonic stem cell research you’re anti-science. If you don’t buy into global warming you’re an ignoramous. If you oppose gay marriage you’re a homophobe. If you oppose amnesty you’re a reacist and a xenophobe. Liberals have most of the market cornered on judgementalism. They’re entire slew of “counter-arguments” is an endless stream of personal attacks.
Judging actions is mandated by God. It is our responsibility to condemn abortion and to condemn homosexual acts, et al. Condemning people is a different story, and liberals can’t understand that nuance (dispite invoking nuance to cover thier own rears). Saying women who get abortions will burn in hell is the kind of judgement Jesus was referring too in that passage. Deeming abortions wrong based on religious precepts isn’t covered by it. Your actions are not you, if you make them you, you are being irrational.
Lefty trolls really shouldn’t try to quote Jesus, they have no clue what they’re talking about.
On June 21st, 2007 at 2:21 pm, The Raging Republican said: Post #50
A few years ago, I read that the Methodists had a quote in some Planned Parenthood material in the clinics, that NOT having a baby when you knew you could not afford it was only GOOD STEWARDSHIP - and the Bible tells us all to be good stewards of the resources God gives us. -)
So their stance on Illegal aliens is not surprising.
OK, suppose your neighbors moved into your house without permission. Then demanded that their families from afar also be allowed to move in. While most of them are nice people, this wasn’t what you want for your home, but they insisted that you are a racist for wanting them to move back to their own homes. Then occasionally some of them who aren’t so nice kill one of your kids while driving drunk, or rape your wife, and you at least want THEM to leave but oh no, it’s just the xenophobia talking. You’re not a bad person, and it’s not that you mind people sleeping in the den, but you wanted to choose who…maybe an MD or a PhD, or a plumber - you know, it’s your house, you thought it was your choice…
You know, in the fine tradition of the “Chickenhawk” I would suggest that people demonstrate that they are a Christian in order to tell Christians how to behave.
Mangle, answer me a few questions:
Do you believe that Jesus was the sinless Son of God, born of a virgin, crucified and resurrected?
If you can’t say yes to that and will not affirm this minimum standard of Christian faith, then shut up about Christianity.
SWEET!, I can’t tell you how excited I am about being able to post here on mm.com
Let me start by saying a HUGE THANK YOU to MM for leading this debate - I can’t imagine where the political discourse on this issue would be without her.
Jesus has nothing to do with deportation of illegals. He would not tell a country that they could not defend themselves. I want them to build the fence they voted for last year before they vote on something else that won’t be carried out in the best interest of the American people. BUILD A FENCE FIRST!
Why is it all of a sudden morally wrong to enforce the laws? Answer: It’s not. That’s just the left’s way of making people feel bad for the illegal immigrants in an attempt sway votes in the Senate so they can further their agenda. Calling someone a bigot because they want the borders enforced only appeals to the lowest common denominator. This is an attempt to bully American citizens.
Feelings is all liberals have, because thier arguments contain absolutely no logic whatsoever.
WHEW! I am back from the trenches! I have called, emailed, and faxed the entire list. I have also contacted both my Senators from South Carolina AGAIN!
Keep up the fight!!!
Through a congressional website, I expressed my desire to have this immigration bill stopped to my congressmen in both houses, as well as the White House.
I received two responses via email. One, from Rep. Russell Feingold,(D), Wisconsin, included the following:
” As you know, on May 21, 2007, the Senate began consideration of
S. 1348, the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2007.
However, on June 7, a motion to end debate on the bill failed by a
vote of 45-50. I voted in favor of ending debate because, although
I have very serious concerns about the bill, I wanted to move the
process forward toward solving this difficult problem.”
So, according to his logic - even though he “has very serious concerns about the bill”, he voted to end debate on it in order to ‘move the process forward’.
If - as he suggests - he has very serious concerns - which most American’s do - why end debate?
The double-speak is mind-numbing.
Done…but with Alexander here in TN I fear it is a lost cause. I have called and/or emailed quite literally dozens of times over the past couple of months…and never had even an automated response. He cares not what his constituents feel about this I’m afraid.
Correct, “jdawg,” evolution theory is all just emotions.
I got the same response. What a tool Russ is!
” As you know, on May 21, 2007, the Senate began …..I wanted to move the
process forward toward solving this difficult problem.”
BKennedy, of course God tells us to condemn homosexuals and abortion. Just like how the Earth is 6000 years old and we are forbidden to eat shellfish.
I live in Massachusetts with Lurch and The Fatman himself, the idea they’ll turn around this amnesty bent is near zero.
Also, I hope I don’t come off as too abrasive Michelle, just trying to educate people and all that
Can you read mangle? I clearly said homosexual acts. Moreover, no one here has talked about Young Earth Theory, a theory which I don’t subscibe to.
I could correct you on the nuances of biblical interpretation, but I doubt that is a nuance you either could or care to understand.
First rule of getting out of a hole: Stop digging.
TRUE STORY
My next door neighbor, who is in his mid sixties, just came over minutes ago and told me he got back from being out of town on business last night. When he woke he heard Spanish voices, and when he got up he realized that the Spanish speaking men who were with the landscape outfit he hired 2 weeks ago for a new lawn, were making his home their own! I spoke to the Spanish guys 2 weeks ago and even gave them water and cokes to drink as they were working. One even told me he was illegal, the other said he had family up north the other didn’t say anything. I have a large heart for all people, but this angers me. My neighbor hired a landscape co. to do his lawn. He did not know they were illegal and look how they took advantage of him. I could tell he was very shaken up. I’m sure they are good people, like a tick sucking of the American tax payer.
BKennedy, if you choose to interpret the Bible literally and, in doing so, override the logical capacity of your mind, what excuse do you have for not being a Young Earth Creationist?
OK gotta repeat this
Mangle:
Do you believe that Jesus was the sinless Son of God, born of a virgin, crucified and resurrected?
If you can’t say yes to that and will not affirm this minimum standard of Christian faith, then shut up about Christianity.
Mangle, Where did you pull literalism from?
I repeat: Stop. Digging. When. In. A. Hole.
Ditto that! And without resources like MM and HotAir, I would not be nearly as informed of the bill’s shortcomings (seeing as how traditional media tend to ignore/obscure facts that undermine their liberal biases) and be conversant with others about them. A lot of people are completely snowed by this bill.
Let me explain again why I am putting this litmus test out for mangle. We are constantly being told now that unless you are a veteran or currently serving you may not have an opinion for the war (how they can say this without including opposition to the war as well I don’t understand) I am applying this standard to people who wish to dictate to Christians how to live. It seems presumptuous (at least) for people outside the faith to judge Christians for not living up to standards that the outsiders dictate as necessary to be Christian.
Has not every Bible prophesy that has been fulfilled, been fulfilled literally. So why would you not take the Bible literally except for obvious metaphors.
Warner’s office said that he voted yes for debate however voted no to end debate because he felt there should have been more debate, uh yeah!! I told her that we the people if they even care do not want to debate we want the bill KILLED period. She did say he will be making a statement on what he intends to do sometime today after I mentioned KBH statement.
abinitioadinfinitum,
You can make a case for this, but it’s not really germane to the point or to the troll. Mangle is trying to tell us that since Michelle and others do not conform to his particular vision of Christianity, they aren’t Christian.
billhedrick
Amen
how can a christian want to close the border,?..by obaying the law if the land!
thats how!.lf you break into someones home and loot,than you should be put in jail,right? same princeple,illegals are breaking the law of our land and enough is enough…they are looting the welfare systum,they should wait in line and come in the front door, let them leave there T.B. at home…end of story…being a cheistian is not easy,its being OBEDIANT TO THE WORD OF GOD… the law of the land has been broken,
A lot of it depends on historical context. For instance, in the passage banning shellfish as unclean, this was during a time where there were no preservatives and it was impossible to keep the meat fresh, so it was just easier to ban it instead of having people potentially poison themselves and spread disease. Most of your food bans are covered by this, and thus aren’t enforced as strictly anymore.
I realize the condemnation of homosexuality is in the same passage(Leviticus), however, one must look at the precepts homosexual acts violate. They violate God’s creation of man and woman and two seperate but cohesive parts, they are still objectively unclean and dangerous (whereas shellfish no longer are), and since such acts are inherently pre-or-extramarital, they are still considered a sin.
Abortion also violates many precepts, including the idea that the Lord creates us and dedicates us in the womb. There’s also that whole not taking innocent life thing, that one kind of got written down in stone.
Catholics such as myself have an added guidebook in the Catechism, take that as you will.
Anyway, I wouldn’t have wasted time explaining this to mangle, but as you aren’t a lefty troll, it’s worth time discussing it.
Raging Republican said…
According to the Declaration of Independence, the burden of responsibility falls, as a general rule, to the American people - citizens as perscribed by the 14th amendment. Under no circumstances should this responsibiltiy be forgotten, else should we forget from whence We, the People, came.
On Immigration vs. Christian Acceptance:
Christians may advocate closed borders. I cannot find a passage in scripture that indicates a people should allow themselves to be subjected to the offenses of criminals; rather that the criminals should be supported and cared for. We briefly examine Matthew 25:34-36 (NLT).
The people reply, “what the heck are you talking about?” The Lord replies in verse 40:
This is not an indication that immigrants should be supported and accepted. The text says “least of these brothers,” a term used to indicate the poor and down-trodden - not trespassing criminals.
Let’s not forget the basic definition of the term trespassing, which seems to have slipped from the vocabulary of open-borders proponents. Any man who enters my house and borrows my blankets, consumes my food and relaxes in my chair, even if efforts are made to leave my home better than was found, is still trespassing. Trespassing is
still a crimeapparently being debated for its legality.Everything is decaying, Rule of Law isn’t as strong as it used to be, but that is the natural Law of Decay at work, not the improvement of preservatives. In humans, that is known as decadence - in food, that is known as rot.
Actually, the meat of shellfish, of ocean bottom scavengers, like all animal scavengers, is filled with poison our digestive system isn’t designed to do a good job of removing. When the dietary laws were written, God told them not to save food over for the next day, anyway - and if you check around, the preservatives they put in them these days are worse than the poison of the flesh. Therefore shellfish and pork, etc are #1 on the worst foods to eat list, along with ALL “PROCESSED” meats.
Point is, though, while God didn’t always tell us WHY things were wrong, we find today that everything He forbid “by ritual” was very very unhealthy for humans, as a general rule.
I think it is in Proverbs, “Good fences make good neighbors”.
Our Christian Founding Fathers said that among our first three most important rights was Property rights, ALONG WITH THE MEANS TO DEFEND THEM.
There is no Christian virtue in going out of your way to invite your neighbors to STEAL from you.
That is why our Christian Founding Fathers also said that if we want a good nation, let us promote her Virtue.
Inviting your neighborhood to be ravaged by gangs of thieves isn’t being a good neighbor to anyone, next door, or stranger, either.
Mangle,
Your “argument”, such as it is, is meaninless tripe, and has nothing to do with the discussion here. Stay on topic, if you can.
And, as bkennedy says, stop digging.
mangle1, there won’t be any illegals in heaven, you are either in or out.
This thread has been hijacked, majorly.
90 Comments and the vast majority are WAY OFF topic and WAY TOO long.
I’m coming back here for updates on the Shamnesty bill…not a Bible lesson.
I was nervous for both Cornyn and Hutchison, I faxed and emailed both several times. All I can say now is GO KAY BAILEY!!
We apologize for the Jesusfest. We’re just cleaning up now.
I’ve sent emails to my representatives in Congress and to the White House.
I’ve provided the contact info to my daughter, as she turns 18 this year and will be able to vote in her first Presidential election next year. I told her to mention that in her emails.
Talk to the young people you know; get them energized to take action now to protect their own future!
Mangle1, WWJD about those who are obeying the immigration laws and waiting to get permission from our nation to immigrate legally? I think he would tell those sinners to return to their own lands and get in line behind those who have obeyed the law all along. The meek shall get the green card and the unrighteous shall be cast out!
It sounds like maybe some of our voices are reaching a few of wobbly weak-kneed Republicans. Let’s keep up the pressure on them! Call! Write! Call again!
Send ‘em to EVERYONE on the list–not just your own people. These Senators are trying to pass legislation that will affect every American. It is a national issue.
I’m nervous…I only got a couple of busy signals this go ’round. We’ve got to pile on people.
I am so sick of these anti Christian bigots trying to tell us how a Christian should act. They don’t even act like civilized human beings. Liberals are hypocrites to the bone.
I can Biblically deny illegal criminal aliens access to the US cuz we are supposed to uphold the local laws. They are sinning and breaking the laws, easy & simple.
Next question Mr. Liberal? lol
I’ve called the chief PINAs (pain in the arses) and told them Amnesty is criminal when so many others have entered the US LEGALLY.