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Nancy Pelosi supports the troops–the Canadian troops, that is

By Michelle Malkin  •  June 22, 2007 01:05 PM

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Oops, they did it again.

Last year, the DNC embarrassed itself with a website purporting to support US troops. Only one problem, as a sharp-eyed tipster told me: The soldier depicted in the patriotic display was Canadian.

Oopsy.

Looks like the Democrats are still using webmasters who don’t have a clue what American troops look like–and they are working in Nancy Pelosi’s office. McQ at Q&O has the screenshots (which are likely to disappear soon, if Pelosi’s staff is awake today). The one above comes from the front page of Pelosi’s official speaker’s website. Here’s the close-up of the soldier with “CANADA” on her epaulets:

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Can the Dems get anymore snort-worthy?

Like Blackfive said in response to last year’s DNC website gaffe: “…how screwed up must you be to post about how much your party supports the troops, but not know who your troops are?”

Answer: Pretty screwed up.

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  1. #1
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 1:11 pm, jdawg said:

    Hey, you’ve seen one uniform, you’ve seen ‘em all, right?

    sheesh - San Fransisco values…

    >spit

  2. #2
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 1:27 pm, mypetjawa said:

    Test.

    Hi Michelle.

    Test.

  3. #3
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 1:27 pm, JamesLee said:

    As a former member of the US Navy, I find this very insulting. Given the Democrats history, not to mention currently, of hating the military and doing everything possible to undermine it, I can understand if she wants to try to dispel that truth because it does nothing to help them. But that is just another slap in the face of everyone who has served.

  4. #4
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 1:29 pm, Kendrick said:

    I’m sure the only uniform she would prefer is the cop from The Village people.

  5. #5
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 1:34 pm, AroostookGeorge said:

    Wouldn’t be surprised if it was a subtle nod to the Nationalized Canadian Health Care System.

  6. #6
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 1:37 pm, PISSED said:

    Hi Michelle, just registered : )

    Thanks for what you do!!!

  7. #7
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 1:37 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    Hey MM,

    Some moonbat gave you a hard time for using the word “moonbat”. His argument was that it was a made up word. Is snort-worthy a word? If not, let’s make it one and apply it to the like of Pelosi!

    /snort

    Pelosi

    /snort snort

    Bwahaaa

    Keep up the good work,

    GOD Bless ya!

  8. #8
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 1:39 pm, PISSED said:

    On-my-soap-box

    send them (the moonbats) to this

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moonbat

    if its on wikipedia its real ; )

  9. #9
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 1:41 pm, The Raging Republican said:

    With her, I am surprised its not a Nazi soldier.

  10. #10
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 1:41 pm, uhangtight said:

    the sad, sad tale is that people are voting these morons into office. my fear is that the dems will gain more power this next political vote..

    could this be because of the ‘youthful’ staffers, who have suffered under the poor educational system??? that is just as sad..

  11. #11
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 1:42 pm, freedomamerie said:

    You mean like how FOX got William Jefferson and John Conyers confused?

    Or what about when Fox was talking about Obama and they put up a clip of Ford?

    Talk about selective outrage.

  12. #12
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 1:42 pm, geminicontender said:

    US Army uniforms……GOOGLE it! Nancy. Then you may know what we look like in uniform. Ditz is the only word that comes to mind.

  13. #13
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 1:42 pm, bipartisancomplainer said:

    I have to admit, I support the Canadian troops too! Just not in lieu of the American troops.

  14. #14
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 1:42 pm, mangle1 said:

    Nancy Pelosi updates her own website personally.

  15. #15
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 1:45 pm, purplepeep said:

    mypetjawa said:
    Test.

    Hi Michelle.

    Test.

    =========
    I would have studied if I’d known there was going to be a test today.

  16. #16
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 1:45 pm, JammieWearingFool said:

    She supports the Canadian troops, but not their mission.

  17. #17
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 1:46 pm, jrlingreenbay said:

    I noticed this pic just today as well -

    After reading Pelosi’s comments regarding her trips abroad to places like Syria, part of her response was,
    “And why would anyone think it is responsible to restrict the ability of the Speaker of the House to bring the concerns of the American people to foreign leaders? It is part of the Speaker’s job,”

    Funny thing is - in the House Rules covering the speaker’s role - there is no mention of Foreign Relations / Policy work with other nations.

    Maybe they’ll add that one in now that they’re in power.

  18. #18
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 1:47 pm, reppac122 said:

    Nancy Pelosi: “Ohhhhhh Canada!”

  19. #19
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 1:48 pm, rjbjrirish said:

    Perhaps the webmaster should go to YouTube and watch “Remember Me” to see what American soldiers look like. Of course, considering that he/she works for Pelosi, it would cause intense nausea.

  20. #20
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 1:49 pm, purplepeep said:

    Don’t the Dems have anyone with (pro)military experience whom they could consult?

    :: shaking head & rollin’ eyes ::

  21. #21
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 1:49 pm, Pickle said:

    freedomamerie said:

    You mean like how FOX got William Jefferson and John Conyers confused?

    Or what about when Fox was talking about Obama and they put up a clip of Ford?

    Talk about selective outrage.

    …Because Fox News is an elected official hypocritically making a claim we all know is false.

    You’re a tard.

  22. #22
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 1:51 pm, JammieWearingFool said:

    Canada just called to deny any involvement in this stupid human trick.

  23. #23
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 1:51 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    reppac122

    Ouch, that’s gonna leave a mark - LOL

  24. #24
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 1:52 pm, TexasFred said:

    If the Dems ever have a ‘clue’, the world WILL end, right then and there…

  25. #25
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 1:53 pm, jdawg said:

    With her, I am surprised its not a Nazi soldier.

    Syrian or Iranian would be more appropriate, I think.

  26. #26
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 1:54 pm, MiddleAgedKen said:

    Clip art is not your friend if you’re in a hurry and don’t know what you’re doing….

  27. #27
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 1:54 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    I think Canadian troops are the only ones she does support.

  28. #28
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 1:55 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    Pickle

    Come out of the vinegar. Come to the other side!

    All networks make mistakes. Remember the “X” sign on the VP? Oh, sorry, that was no mistake!!!

  29. #29
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 1:55 pm, jrlingreenbay said:

    Canadian soldier…..Canadian-style health-care…..

    A little bit of foreshadowing, perhaps?

  30. #30
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 1:57 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    Sorry Pickle my bad totally. You are right and I made a mistake and wish I could take it back. Distractions - yuck!

  31. #31
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 1:57 pm, The Raging Republican said:

    “reverse years of harmful cuts by President Bush.”

    Its insane that the Speaker of the House would slander the President right there on her own web page!

  32. #32
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 2:00 pm, Timothy S. Carlson said:

    Pelosi - confuses Canadian military for US
    Hillary - picks a song from a Canadian singer for her campaign
    (other examples? - feel free to add)

    Maybe all of the dhimmicrats should just move to Canada, since all things Canadian (especially health care) seem to be held in higher regard by these people than anything related to the US.

    And, ideologically, the fit is better.

    It’s a win-win…
    I know I would feel better.

  33. #33
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 2:01 pm, gippergirl said:

    what’s that aboot? eh?

  34. #34
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 2:05 pm, Blaise said:

    I’ve seen how Rep. Pelosi “supports” U.S. troops. As a Canadian, I would prefer that she not provide the same sort of support to our servicemen and women. We’re better off without her kind of “help”.

  35. #35
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 2:13 pm, JWS said:

    I don’t care if it is the 51st state - that was wrong…

  36. #36
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 2:14 pm, teresafromtejas said:

    Looks like the photo is gone now from Speaker Pelosi’s Web site.
    No surprise.

  37. #37
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 2:16 pm, EWTHeckman said:

    You mean like how FOX got William Jefferson and John Conyers confused?

    Or what about when Fox was talking about Obama and they put up a clip of Ford?

    Where they wearing name tags in the photos Fox mixed up? Probably not. Given how many photos must be floating around the Fox newsroom, its not at all surprising that they would make a simple, though stupid, mistake like those.

    When you’re looking at a picture of a military person in uniform, it’s almost always easy to tell just which country that soldier fights for because of their country’s “name tag”: the insignia on their uniform. Such a mistake is much harder to make.

    How can anyone think the soldier in the picture is an American soldier when their insignia clearly says “Canada” on it? On the other hand, American soldiers are easy to identify due to the red, white and blue flag on their uniforms.

    It seems possible to me that Ms. Pelosi may have given her staff orders that they are to select pictures of military personnel where you can’t see the American flag on their uniform. It would make mistakes like this much more likely. Does anyone know if you can see the flag on any of the pictures of soldiers on her site?

  38. #38
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 2:19 pm, Dersu said:

    The traitor must have got word of this.
    the photos all seem to be gone.

  39. #39
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 2:20 pm, DaleC said:

    Let me see if I have this right. Pelosi does not know what an American soldier looks like , Hillary wants to be the head of a crime family ,and our President wants to give amnesty to 12 million criminals. Just checking !
    Yes ,[uhangtight], most of our universities are run by liberal professors who have a great influence on America’s youth which unfortunately has an impact on elections.

  40. #40
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 2:27 pm, Mike D. said:

    Just called the Speaker’s office at (202) 225-0100, and the gnome who answered the phone naturally had less than no idea about any of this.

    I was of course polite, but did add in a bit of editorial furor. Just a bit.

    Call Pelosi’s office at the number cited above and let them know that maybe since they are the office of the Speaker of the House, they just MIGHT want to be alert and attentive enough to tell the difference between American and clearly-identified Canadian uniformed personnel…especially since the text accompanying the pic is a slam at the evil war monger Bush who doesnt care about veterans.

    Yikes.

  41. #41
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 2:31 pm, lib reformation said:

    Don’t know why, but this has got me wondering if my tax dollars pay for Ms. Pelosi’s Botox treatments. Just sayin’

  42. #42
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 2:32 pm, EdDantes said:

    Wow, Pelosi just doesn’t have a clue. Is the first 100 days up yet? I’m still awaiting the results.

  43. #43
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 2:32 pm, Rick Moran said:

    To have this happen once is a gaffe, a funny, just plain stupidity on the part of her staff.

    But twice? Maybe she’s contracted out her website management to a Canadian firm. Wouldn’t that be a delicious little tidbit for some enterprising blogger/journalist to dig up?

  44. #44
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 2:34 pm, JWS said:

    She’s also a strong supporter of America’s great national pastime - hockey…

  45. #45
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 2:36 pm, RogersUmp said:

    I can just see some staffer taking one in the arse for this blunder. It has already been removed…not just the image but the story, too!

  46. #46
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 2:39 pm, patriot_gams said:

    Maybe it was a “botched joke”? ;)

  47. #47
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 2:40 pm, MikeB said:

    Hmm, a cheap shot at Nancy Pelosi, wow, that is as common on this site as a missing pretty, young white teenager on Fox News.

  48. #48
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 2:44 pm, Rick Moran said:

    Sorry Mike. Nothing cheap about that shot.

    That there was a 100%,.44 magnum, dead on bullseye of a shot.

    And criticizing Pelosi for making the exact same mistake twice? How is that cheap?

    I’d say the Speaker is giving us our money’s worth.

  49. #49
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 2:47 pm, Just A Grunt said:

    C’mon cut her some slack. She does represent a district that wants to throw recruiters out of schools, forbid flyovers by the Blue Angels and won’t let a navy warship dock in the river. How are they supposed to know what uniforms are worn by our military since they are trying to run them out of town.

  50. #50
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 2:48 pm, purplepeep said:

    gippergirl said:
    “what’s that aboot? eh?”

    Park your dogsled, grab a Moosehead and a mess o’ poutine, gippergirl; Welcome to Nancy P’s USA!

  51. #51
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 2:51 pm, Just A Grunt said:

    The first time it happened it was on the DNC web site for the record. This happens because when they google images of people in uniform for some reason the ones of Canadian forces appear first. It may have to do with their search criteria. But still something ought to click that tells that doesn’t look right.

  52. #52
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 2:52 pm, teljax said:

    Nancy’s a scary lady, here is a few of her quotes…

    Nancy Pelosi condemned the new record highs of the stock market
    as “just another example of Bush policies helping the rich get richer.”
    “First Bush cut taxes for the rich and the economy has rebounded with
    new record low unemployment rates, which only means wealthy employers
    are getting even wealthier at the expense of the underpaid working
    class.”

    She went on to say “Despite the billions of dollars being spent in
    Iraq our economy is still strong and government tax revenues are at all
    time highs. What this really means is that business is exploiting the
    war effort and working Americans, just to put money in their own
    pockets.”

    3rd in command, we get the gov we vote for

  53. #53
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 2:54 pm, Racoonberry said:

    It has to be tough to remember what U.S. military uniforms look like when your constituents continually advocate to expel them from your hometown.

  54. #54
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 2:57 pm, oldirishpig said:

    I still say their next slogan is…

    Dems ‘08: Just as corrupt but TWICE as incompetent!

  55. #55
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 3:00 pm, purplepeep said:

    Maybe the Canadian soldier in Nancy’s photo came to the US to escape Canada’s Soviet-era health care (such as it is in Canada) rationing?

    I mean, we in the border states see it all the time.

  56. #56
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 3:02 pm, The Raging Republican said:

    Pelosi - confuses Canadian military for US
    Hillary - picks a song from a Canadian singer for her campaign

    Isn’t Michael Moore Canadian??????

  57. #57
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 3:04 pm, freedomamerie said:

    Where they wearing name tags in the photos Fox mixed up? Probably not. Given how many photos must be floating around the Fox newsroom, its not at all surprising that they would make a simple, though stupid, mistake like those.

    So you admit Fox can’t tell a black person from another one?

  58. #58
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 3:05 pm, Yashmak said:

    “Hmm, a cheap shot at Nancy Pelosi”

    I don’t understand how anyone can possibly think this is a defensible mistake. . . certainly not TWICE.

  59. #59
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 3:06 pm, gippergirl said:

    the “left” loves and supports our troops and nation the way Ike loved and supported Tina…

  60. #60
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 3:07 pm, Rod said:

    Teljax, where did you get these quotes from

    ?“First Bush cut taxes for the rich and the economy has rebounded with
    new record low unemployment rates, which only means wealthy employers
    are getting even wealthier at the expense of the underpaid working
    class.”

  61. #61
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 3:10 pm, chapoutier said:

    Hey everybody! Let’s totally focus all our righteous indignation on some stupid little error probably made by some underpaid or unpaid staffer or intern rather than on the huge, abysmal mistake thatthe Bush administration as a whole has been! Super idea fellas!

  62. #62
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 3:11 pm, purplepeep said:

    freedomamerie, setting aside your trolling shtick (if possible) for a una momento: Why do you suppose the Dem politicians have such a massive difficulty in trying to find and identify photos of American military?

  63. #63
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 3:16 pm, EdDantes said:

    So you admit Fox can’t tell a black person from another one?

    Surely, you can’t be serious.

  64. #64
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 3:18 pm, Godzilla said:

    #14 mangle1

    Nancy Pelosi updates her own website personally.

    Thanks for clearing that up.

    Also, I lol’d hard at this article.

  65. #65
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 3:18 pm, Miss Trixie said:

    Thank you for the open registration and for all you do, Michelle. *mwah*

    I’m embarassed for my Canadian soldier in the photo - to be associated with Pelosi is the stuff of nightmares.

    *shudder*

  66. #66
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 3:19 pm, MCPO Airdale said:

    Color me not surprised.

  67. #67
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 3:19 pm, max said:

    Hmmm, maybe, the caption under the photo should read.

    “Don’t worry about a thing trooper, we’re forbidden by law to notify your parents about the abortion.”

  68. #68
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 3:22 pm, chapoutier said:

    Hmmm, maybe, the caption under the photo should read.

    “Don’t worry about a thing trooper, we’re forbidden by law to notify your parents about the abortion.”

    Unless the military is now enlisting minors (who knows with recruiting numbers the way they are) that comment was just stupid

  69. #69
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 3:25 pm, Yashmak said:

    “the huge, abysmal mistake thatthe Bush administration as a whole has been!”

    Such statements are meaningless until:
    A) The administration is actually over
    B) We can look at it through the lens of history, and see what actual impact it had.

    Many liberals held very negative views of Reagan (no I’m not equating Bush to Reagan), but the march of time has made it plain that his impact was very positive.

    Uproar without proper perspective or due consideration is the trademark of today’s liberals.

  70. #70
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 3:28 pm, jdawg said:

    Hey everybody! Let’s totally focus all our righteous indignation on some stupid little error probably made by some underpaid or unpaid staffer or intern rather than on the huge, abysmal mistake thatthe Bush administration as a whole has been! Super idea fellas!

    Some stupid little error? Are you kidding? This is the web site of the Speaker of the House, for crying out loud!!!!

    And, naturally, being the good little kool-aid drinking moonbat, you use this to bash Bush….

    *spit*

    No wonder we’re in such bad shape.

  71. #71
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 3:29 pm, chapoutier said:

    Uproar without proper perspective or due consideration is the trademark of today’s liberals.

    It also seems to be that administration’s M.O. for getting us into wars.

  72. #72
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 3:32 pm, corona said:

    I know! Canadians are doing the posing that Americans won’t do!

  73. #73
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 3:34 pm, chapoutier said:

    Jdawg,

    Calling others silly little names does not make your position any more tenable.

    Really, what shows more contempt for our troops? A photo that was incorrectly cut and pasted onto a website or the deplorable conditions at Walter Reed which this administration (which claims to be so pro-soldier) allowed to occur?

  74. #74
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 3:36 pm, JWS said:

    It may be a sub-section of the Fairness Doctrine. If you are going to talk about the US military, you must display the military of another country…

  75. #75
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 3:37 pm, max said:

    Dear chapoutier:

    The basic qualifications for enlistment in the U.S. Army include:

    • being from 17 to 34 years old
    • be a U.S. citizen or resident alien, (must have the I-551)
    • have a high school diploma or equivalent (such as a GED)
    • be single with no children or married with 2 or less children
    • pass the ASVAB test and
    • pass the physical
    http://www.army.com/enlist/requirements.html

    (I’m not sayin’ the comment wasn’t stupid, but…”

  76. #76
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 3:39 pm, purplepeep said:

    corona said:
    “I know! Canadians are doing the posing that Americans won’t do!”

    howz about:

    “US doctors doing the job that Canadian doctors aren’t allowed to do!”

  77. #77
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 3:44 pm, terrig said:

    Well, well, well once again they show their true colors. I know the majority of Dims don’t really support the troops and I’m sure it’s a very few who live in Madame Speaker’s district. For all you libs who think this really isn’t a big deal, I just don’t understand your thinking.

  78. #78
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 3:46 pm, katieanne said:

    From what I have seen, San Francisco values means not supporting US military at all, so why should anyone be surprised when Nancy supports the Canadian military instead of our own?

  79. #79
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 3:46 pm, joegosox said:

    Doctor: “Now if you lived in the U.S. you would receive the treatment needed to live. I’m afraid your a goner.

  80. #80
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 3:47 pm, JWS said:

    Thinking? They don’t need no stinking thinking…

  81. #81
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 3:51 pm, Yashmak said:

    It also seems to be that administration’s M.O. for getting us into wars

    Funny. At the time most of the Democrats in power now all thought that plenty of due consideration had taken place. They did vote for it, after all, including most of the Democratic party presidential hopefuls.

    If you want to spout vitriol about the administration, at least do so in a manner that holds some water.

  82. #82
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 3:53 pm, purplepeep said:

    Yashmak said:
    “Uproar without proper perspective or due consideration is the trademark of today’s liberals.”

    Quite correct.Non-liberals are used to communication on a logical & intellectual level. That is a foreign concept (Canadian? heh) to liberals, they are unable to comment on topic, much less be able to tell the difference between an American and a foreign serviceperson. It’s all lost in their constant emotional, shaky haze.

    Good point in stressing “today’s” libs. Classical liberals must be grave-turning like Osterizers on meth.

  83. #83
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 3:54 pm, EdDantes said:

    Hey everybody! Let’s totally focus all our righteous indignation on some stupid little error probably made by some underpaid or unpaid staffer or intern rather than on the huge, abysmal mistake thatthe Bush administration as a whole has been! Super idea fellas!

    It’s not about one little error. It’s about a series of errors.

    1. 100 Days Promise - Nothing’s happened of any consequence that was promised.

    2. Visiting Syria - Not sure if you’re aware of this, but Syria is a terrorist state and funds terrorism outside its borders. Glad Pelosi could keep the relations open with these guys during her first 100 days.

    3. Immigration Bill - Brilliant plan, and she wonders why American workers are underpaid (Hint: It’s because they compete with illegals and legal immigrants for jobs. Supply vs Demand, classic econ 101.

    4. Decietful, Manipulative, and Overdramatic:

    With his cruel veto pen, President Bush dashed the hopes of many for the healing potential of stem cell research

    Ooops…she forgot to mention that the Federal Government actually funds Stem Cell research, just not Embryonic Stem Cell research. Oh, and, by the way, it’s not a ban on Embryonic Stem Cell research either. But, it’s more convenient for her to leave those facts out.

    Because every family in America is one phone call, one accident away from needing the benefits of embryonic stem cells

    And what benefits would that be? After 10 years, no known benefits exist.

    Get off your stump and pay attention to the facts. It’s a disgrace to America and the military personel that the Speaker of the House of Representatives would place a picture of a Canadian soldier while referencing how much she cares about Veterans benefits. If you care, you get the little things right. Pelosi has accomplished nothing in her short tenure as Speaker except to divide the House and fuel anti-bush rhetoric that the Democratic campaign was founded on. So, by all means, we’ll take this opportunity to point out her shortcomings and lack of effective leadership. It has nothing to do with the current administration.

  84. #84
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 3:55 pm, chapoutier said:

    If you want to spout vitriol about the administration, at least do so in a manner that holds some water.

    Fair enough. As an Obama supporter, I have no issue with lumping the incompetent Democratic congress in with the incompetent republican congress and the incompetent Bush administration.

  85. #85
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 3:55 pm, kellmark said:

    Pelosi shows her ignorance and disdain for the miltary, oh wait, except when she is demanding military transportation at taxpayer expense for her, her husband, her kids, her cousins, her dogs, her nanny twice removed, all of her inlaws, and her ex roomates former mother-in-law. (Only a very slight exaggeration).

    She supports the troops allright. When she benefits from what they do personally.

  86. #86
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 3:55 pm, purplepeep said:

    “I’m embarassed for my Canadian soldier in the photo - to be associated with Pelosi is the stuff of nightmares.”

    Nancy does indeed owe Canada an apology, Miss Trixie.

  87. #87
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 4:05 pm, bipartisancomplainer said:

    corona said:
    I know! Canadians are doing the posing that Americans won’t do!

    LOL!

  88. #88
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 4:07 pm, Bob's Kid said:

    Even a military dolt like me can tell that’s not an American uniform, sheesh.

  89. #89
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 4:11 pm, purplepeep said:

    “an Obama supporter”

    Not to “empower” your off-topic wanderings, but is he still threatening “quite roiting” (nod, nod, wink, wink) when America rejects him?

    I suppose “days of rage”, “quiet riots” type threats are to be expected from anyone, Rock Star or no, with literally “Old School” Islamic roots.

  90. #90
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 4:13 pm, purplepeep said:

    “She supports the troops allright. When she benefits from what they do personally.”

    Ah, yes - too bad the troops don’t own a Tuna Company. (Sorry, Charlie.)

  91. #91
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 4:16 pm, freedomamerie said:

    Is this the best you could do to trash Pelosi?

    You guys gotta be desperate.

  92. #92
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 4:18 pm, pickax411 said:

    Perhaps to Pelosi, US Military personnel are “Cardboard Cutouts” to be placed into an advertisement and not real life people that faithfully server our country. It is likely the fact of Canada vs United States personnel being used in the advertisement is a nuance that is lost in her perspective.

  93. #93
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 4:19 pm, Tantor said:

    You would think that the word “CANADA” stitched in yellow on the edge of the epaulet on the shoulder of the officer facing the camera would be some kind of big friggin’ clue to the staffers at Pelosi’s office or their editor or anyone looking at the website.

    Meanwhile, back in Flyover Country, people who have actually been in the military took one look at the color of that uniform and the design of the epaulets and said WTF? What American military service is THAT?

    The point is that Pelosi and her staff are so out of touch with the military that they can’t tell the difference between an American soldier and the doorman at the Ritz. They probably call the bellboy a babykiller for fighting in Iraq when they check into their rooms.

  94. #94
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 4:26 pm, EdDantes said:

    freedommarie, you can look at my comments in #83 for a more comprehensive list, besides the website error.

  95. #95
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 4:29 pm, Keli said:

    While I totally support and respect our Canadian brothers, this is a little over the top. That a women in a position of power such as Ms. Pelosi doesn’t know what an American Military uniform looks like, well its just flat out scary really.

  96. #96
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 4:30 pm, jrlingreenbay said:

    “So you admit Fox can’t tell a black person from another one?”

    Well, according to DNC Chairman Howard Dean, Republicans can’t get people of color into a room unless you count the waitstaff.

    But THAT’S not a racist comment, right?

  97. #97
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 4:34 pm, jdawg said:

    It also seems to be that administration’s M.O. for getting us into wars.

    Yeah, that 9-11 thing was an inside job, right? Fire doesn’t melt steel? The GWOT is just a bumper sticker?

  98. #98
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 4:38 pm, purplepeep said:

    freedomamerie said:
    “You guys gotta be desperate.”

    No, lass, desperate is not knowing the difference between an American soldier and a foreign one.

    Unless you plead incompetent on Pelosi’s behalf.

    Those are the only two choices. I do agree with you that Pelosi has put herself in an ongoing situation that supplies her detractors with a whole lot of ammo. And with lots of great good fun in laughing at her total cluelessness (and/or incompetence) on this.

    Folks who have served in our military (that US military, BTW) likely are not laughing as much at Nancy’s bunglings , though.

  99. #99
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 4:40 pm, jdawg said:

    Really, what shows more contempt for our troops? A photo that was incorrectly cut and pasted onto a website or the deplorable conditions at Walter Reed which this administration (which claims to be so pro-soldier) allowed to occur?

    Incorrectly cut-and-paste? Are you kidding???? This not only shows further contempt, it shows downright INCOMPETENCE on her part!!!

    And what is just as despicable is that you and other moonbats use this as a launch pad to attack the President.

  100. #100
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 4:41 pm, mnmike said:

    Actually, I too support the Canucks. But I doubt that Congress should be providing funds to them, Nancy.

  101. #101
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 4:42 pm, jrlingreenbay said:

    I notice the military pic / story has been replaced with one touting the House’s movement to “reduce the levels of carbon dioxide emitted by house operations…”

    Guess that means they won’t be talking as much.

  102. #102
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 4:42 pm, jdawg said:

    Is this the best you could do to trash Pelosi?

    You guys gotta be desperate.

    Yeah, it’s not her fault she’s so incompetent she can’t even display a soldier from ~our~ country….

    Must be part of a grand Rovian plot…

  103. #103
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 4:45 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    They are passing out beano as we speak!

  104. #104
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 4:46 pm, chapoutier said:

    First jdawg I have no idea how you equate my comment with 9-11 conspiracy theorist (who, I agree, have zero credibility) and think that there is a global war on terror, but also that fact has been used to justify a lot of abuses of power by this government. But whatever.

    More on topic, was the original picture on the website bigger? Cause the only iteration I have seen of it has been on secondary sources. For example, I cannot clearly make out the word “Canada” on the woman’s shoulder-thingy on the pic above. And since I apparently skipped class on the day we were all supposed to memorize the cut and color of every issued uniform for every branch of the military, I must admit, alas, that I could not tell that the “color of that uniform and the design of the epaulets” was not correct. Clearly I am Al-Quaeda.

  105. #105
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 4:49 pm, chapoutier said:

    Folks who have served in our military (that US military, BTW) likely are not laughing as much at Nancy’s bunglings , though.

    I would guess they are to busy dodging IMDs to laugh.

  106. #106
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 4:49 pm, jrlingreenbay said:

    chapoutier: Perhaps you may not be able to tell that the uniform color & epaulet design was wrong - but the office of the Speaker of the House SHOULD be able to.

    That’s the point I think most of us are making.

  107. #107
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 4:50 pm, purplepeep said:

    jdawg said:
    “Must be part of a grand Rovian plot…”

    Shhhh! Don’t divulge the secret plan whereby Karl did this to make Pelosi look like an cluesless incompetent!
    BHUWUA-HWUAH-HAA!!!

  108. #108
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 4:52 pm, jdawg said:

    I must admit, alas, that I could not tell that the “color of that uniform and the design of the epaulets” was not correct. Clearly I am Al-Quaeda.

    No, just woefully misinformed. The Canada on the shoulder board is quite clear. But you prove the point that Pelosi’s supporters figured we’d be so stupid, or ignorant, or uninformed as to not see the error.

    And I do find it interesting that liberals always take the tack of trying to divert attention away from the real issue rather than say, yeah, it was a dumb mistake.

    Pelosi screws up on her web site - instantly liberals say, “yeah, see, Bush is dumb, bush is stupid, blah, blah, blah.”

  109. #109
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 4:53 pm, jdawg said:

    Shhhh! Don’t divulge the secret plan whereby Karl did this to make Pelosi look like an cluesless incompetent!
    BHUWUA-HWUAH-HAA!!!

    Oops, sorry. Can I still be part of the VRWC?

    MUHAHAHAHAHA

  110. #110
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 4:54 pm, chapoutier said:

    chapoutier: Perhaps you may not be able to tell that the uniform color & epaulet design was wrong - but the office of the Speaker of the House SHOULD be able to.

    That’s the point I think most of us are making.

    And if you can seriously tell me that Pelosi is sitting there coding her own site and choosing the pictures and everything, then I will concede.

    Now to a certain extent, she or anyone is responsible for what is on their site, of course. But come on. The first time she probably ever saw that pic was when this little tempest erupted over it. Blame her for maybe not exercising enough editorial control over her site, but don’t make this into “stupid san fran lib/dem/moonbat hates troops” That is overreaction.

  111. #111
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 4:55 pm, reppac122 said:

    As Michelle mentioned in her posting, this is the second time the Democrats, in some form or another, used stock photos of Canadian soldiers when they were trying to show an American soldier. How many times does it take until an “oversight” isn’t an “oversight” any longer? I call it ignorance and sloppiness.

  112. #112
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 4:55 pm, baldeagle said:

    One would think that a rep would have pictures of military from their own district available,but since this is a district where the military need not show their face,,,probably makes sense that they do not have any.

  113. #113
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 4:59 pm, jdawg said:

    And if you can seriously tell me that Pelosi is sitting there coding her own site and choosing the pictures and everything, then I will concede

    Maybe she does, but even if she isn’t, her staff IS and they should know better, for crying out loud!!!

  114. #114
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 4:59 pm, Tantor said:

    Chapoutier: “And if you can seriously tell me that Pelosi is sitting there coding her own site and choosing the pictures and everything, then I will concede.”

    If Pelosi doesn’t have the management skill to oversee a website, why should we trust her to run a war?

  115. #115
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 5:00 pm, ThackerAgency said:

    As many posters have said, it is more disturbing that she used this opportunity to bash President Bush (Commander in Chief).

    I don’t understand the mindset that she ‘has to’ bash Bush. She isn’t running against President Bush.

    I guess it’s the only thing she can use to get support. She certainly doesn’t have a positive agenda to lead the nation on, so she resorts to the fact that she ‘hates Bush too’.

    I was willing to give her the benefit of the doubt when she became Speaker, but she is farther beyond the pale than any professional, distinguished, public servant should be.

    pssst Pelosi, your agenda is showing. . . AGAIN.

  116. #116
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 5:00 pm, jdawg said:

    If Pelosi doesn’t have the management skill to oversee a website, why should we trust her to run a war?

    Or Congress?

  117. #117
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 5:04 pm, MegaTroopX said:

    Not that Canadian troops aren’t great, but geez…

  118. #118
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 5:10 pm, Just A Grunt said:

    I like the cute little diversion to pointing fingers at Fox, heck they have labeled Romney as a (D) on more then one occasion when showing clips of him, which then went down the path to a hint of racism by the comment somebody made about “so you agree Fox can’t tell black people apart”. Might I suggest the commentor visit Hot Air and view this video.

  119. #119
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 5:10 pm, pmain said:

    I can’t imagine why we’d expect the Office of the Speaker of the House, the person 3rd in line to be Commander in Chief, to ever be able to recognize the difference between American Soldiers in Iraq & Canadian Soldiers in Afghanistan or the daily uniforms worn by those serving in the US military vs. those from another country. Let me guess they support the troops but oppose the uniforms… or should we give her half credit because she did manage to focus on troops from the same continent… nuance & all?

    This supposed faux pas is indicative of the type of focus & complete commitment dear Nancy & the Democratic controlled Congress have shown in all of their efforts regarding healthcare, the economy, the GWOT, supporting the troops, cleaning up corruption in Congress, establishing & maintaining a 5 day work-week for Congress, eliminating pork spending & has lead to the stunning 14% approval rating. Let me guess another clear mandate from the American people?

    It does make me wonder what uniforms Harry Reid was looking at when he proclaimed the War in Iraq is lost?

    For the record I posted a similiar post over at QandO.

  120. #120
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 5:11 pm, purplepeep said:

    “I would guess they are to busy dodging IMDs to laugh.”

    Between that and Pelosi’s continuing attacks on Americans, our brave servicepeople do indeed have a difficult job protecting you and me.(They can certainly endure the “you stupid GIs” “joke”-attacks lobed at them by John Kerry and the Democrat Party.)

    And you do bring up a good question - which is worse:
    Pelosi’s attempts to force the American’s troops to surrender to Al Qaeda or Pelosi’s total inability to even be able to identify American troops?

    Obviously, Pelosi’s blantant anti-America & anti-troop crusade is much more damaging and problematic to America’s troops than her total ignorance re: the American’s servicepeople’s uniforms.

  121. #121
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 5:14 pm, Just A Grunt said:

    #104 Chaptwit

    And since I apparently skipped class on the day we were all supposed to memorize the cut and color of every issued uniform for every branch of the military, I must admit, alas, that I could not tell that the “color of that uniform and the design of the epaulets” was not correct. Clearly I am Al-Quaeda.

    Oh trust me Al Queda knows what our uniforms look like. Now that you proven you are not smarter then a 5th grader you can come over to my house anytime and I will show what our uniforms look like.

  122. #122
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 5:15 pm, chapoutier said:

    Obviously, Pelosi’s blantant anti-America & anti-troop crusade is much more damaging and problematic to America’s troops than her total ignorance re: the American’s servicepeople’s uniforms.

    Last time I checked, Pelosi did not start the war, mismanage the war, or cut off funding for it so I am wondering exactly how she has been so damaging.

  123. #123
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 5:17 pm, jdawg said:

    how she has been so damaging.

    1. Showing up for work.

    Ummm, yeah, that pretty much does it.

  124. #124
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 5:18 pm, chapoutier said:

    Oh trust me Al Queda knows what our uniforms look like. Now that you proven you are not smarter then a 5th grader you can come over to my house anytime and I will show what our uniforms look like.

    Oh please. Like I said, on the photos I have seen, “Canada” is not distinguishable. So if we are just going by the friggin color of the shirt or the design of the epaulet I guarantee that the vast majority of non-military americans could not tell you with any certainty whether it was U.S. military or not.

  125. #125
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 5:19 pm, purplepeep said:

    “I was willing to give her the benefit of the doubt when she became Speaker”

    Ah, you’re a nice soul.

    Unless Pelosi had “repented” and had a genuine Damascus road experience somewhere along the way, I didn’t expect a leopard to change it’s spots.

    (I’ll let you unmix my metaphors, lol)

  126. #126
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 5:20 pm, jdawg said:

    Like I said, on the photos I have seen, “Canada” is not distinguishable.

    Yes, it is. However, if you choose to NOT see it, that is another matter.

    2 + 2 = 5 - Not because I want you to believe it, but because you ACTUALLY do believe it…

  127. #127
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 5:22 pm, Just A Grunt said:

    chapoutier said: #122
    Last time I checked, Pelosi did not start the war, mismanage the war, or cut off funding for it so I am wondering exactly how she has been so damaging.

    She did lead a campaign to delay the funding. That delay lasted for 3 months. Are you aware of what effect that delay had on the troops and operations worldwide? If she had her way there would be no military. She meets with the leaders of countries who are supplying arms and support to the very people who are shooting at and blowing up our troops. Don’t give me this Grandma Pelosi crap. She is simply an elected clone of Jane Fonda.

  128. #128
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 5:23 pm, jrlingreenbay said:

    “I would guess they are to busy dodging IMDs to laugh.”

    For the record - our troops are dodging I.E.D.’s - Improvised Explosive Devices

    IMD’s are what we are all trying to dodge -
    Incompetent Mindless Democrats.

  129. #129
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 5:27 pm, Tantor said:

    Chapoutier: “Last time I checked, Pelosi did not start the war, mismanage the war, or cut off funding for it so I am wondering exactly how she has been so damaging.”

    By encouraging our enemies abroad that, although they can never win the war in Iraq militarily, they can still win the war politically on the American home front by wearing down the will of the American people with the tacit support of the Democrats. Just like in Vietnam.

  130. #130
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 5:29 pm, supersean said:

    Ok… lets get things cleared up here

    1. San Francisco values is a term that should not be used… there are people of all political opinions who live in SF but sadly the vocal minority tend to be the extreme left (we could say the same for other regions of the country from the extreme neocons)

    2. The blue Angels should not fly over SF like they do… it is indeed a nuasance (planes near mach 1 buzzing a city doesn’t happen much elsewhere) and dangerous their flight patterns break most standard air show regulations

    3. Nancy does not seem to get it insulting our men and women in uniform by making such a stupid mistake (twice). Shame on her.

  131. #131
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 5:31 pm, Just A Grunt said:

    And Chap Al Queda can also tell the difference between Canadian and American troops in Afghanistan. The Canadians have taken some serious casualties in Afghanistan in relation to their numbers, something like 60 killed. There is a reason they attack in the Canadian sectors. They think the going will be easier but it isn’t. Since there is virtually no reporting on how many Taliban and Al Queda I will not venture a number but a good rule of thumb is 10 dead terrorists for every coalition death. You do the math.

  132. #132
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 5:34 pm, zorro2 said:

    Ditz is the only word that comes to mind.

    I think traitor is a better fit…

  133. #133
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 5:34 pm, Just A Grunt said:

    supersean said
    sadly the vocal minority tend to be the extreme left

    sadly the vocal voting minority majority tend to be the extreme left

  134. #134
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 5:37 pm, Tantor said:

    Chapoutier: “Oh please. Like I said, on the photos I have seen, “Canada” is not distinguishable. So if we are just going by the friggin color of the shirt or the design of the epaulet I guarantee that the vast majority of non-military americans could not tell you with any certainty whether it was U.S. military or not.”

    Actually, the vast majority of non-military conservative Americans could certainly pick it out, having had relatives and friends serve in the military. I’ll grant you the vast majority of non-military liberal Americans could not pick it out, having no contact with the military.

    It is exactly those militarily illiterate Americans, who include Pelosi and her staff, who think the war is unwinnable due to ignorance about the military, its capabilities, and the nature of guerrilla war.

    Chapoutier: “Oh trust me Al Queda knows what our uniforms look like.”

    I doubt that the average Al Qaeda member knows sh** from shinola. However, Al Qaeda knows that anyone in a uniform is their enemy, since only soldiers of countries that abide by international law, such as the Geneva Convention, wear uniforms to identify themselves as combatants. Al Qaeda regards such man-made law as blasphemy.

  135. #135
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 5:38 pm, Chief RZ said:

    This picture is worth 1,000 words and reveals total ignorance as well as distain for those who secured and maintain our freedoms by defending the Constitution of the United States of America.

  136. #136
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 5:38 pm, purplepeep said:

    “I am wondering exactly how she has been so damaging.”

    Primarily in giving ongoing comfort and hope to Al Qaeda, whom Harry Reid claims have defeated the troops. Both Pelosi The Clueless and Harry (”America’s been defeated!”) Reid have pushed for America surrender to Al Quada in Iraq. Further, Pelosi demands that the Americans give notice to Al Qaeda as to the time of such surrender.

    Sadly for the anti-America’s troops types, Reid and Pelosi’s surrender bill did not pass.

    That Pelosi is so incompetent on this matter is just another “freudian”-like admission of her deeper anti-America wont.

  137. #137
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 5:40 pm, Just A Grunt said:

    supersean also said
    (planes near mach 1 buzzing a city doesn’t happen much elsewhere)

    May I direct your attention to the map of AF installations in the good ‘ol US of A which, gasp, have palnes flying at Mach 1 or more on a daily basis.

  138. #138
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 5:44 pm, Tantor said:

    supersean: “2. The blue Angels should not fly over SF like they do… it is indeed a nuasance (planes near mach 1 buzzing a city doesn’t happen much elsewhere) and dangerous their flight patterns break most standard air show regulations.”

    What a load of pure nonsense this is. No aircraft flies at Mach 1 around San Francisco. Not the Blue Angels. Not anyone. If the Blue Angels passed over San Francisco at Mach 1 they would be past the crowd before anyone spotted them and would break thousands of windows in the city with a sonic boom.

    The Blue Angel shows strictly follow all aviation regulations, as does the military everywhere. Every military aviator understands that such regulations are written in blood, ie are the distilled wisdom of accident review boards.

    You simply don’t know what you’re talking about.

  139. #139
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 5:45 pm, purplepeep said:

    “IMD’s are what we are all trying to dodge -
    Incompetent Mindless Democrats.”

    Actually, I really thought the angry poster was confusd by the “Internet Movie Database”, there. Hmmm…we don’t need Pelosi to attest to the liberal cluelessness and contempt for any and all things US military. But she does makes a good (bad?) object lesson of it in her ongoing display of ignorance.

  140. #140
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 5:46 pm, supersean said:

    Just a Grunt #137

    Yes, there are many air bases throughout the US (even some located near heavily populated ares) however it would be extremely rare for 2 or more fighters to buzz a city while performing acrobatic maneuvers

    And I’m not against the Blue Angels I just think they need to modify their flight plans

  141. #141
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 5:47 pm, jdawg said:

    Actually, the vast majority of non-military conservative Americans could certainly pick it out, having had relatives and friends serve in the military.the ability to read

    Not that your original quote was incorrect, but I thought I’d clarify it a bit for our liberal friends…

  142. #142
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 5:51 pm, purplepeep said:

    “Actually, the vast majority of non-military conservative Americans could certainly pick it out”

    Yup, yup. That fact makes it even more embarrassing that the person 3rd in US Presidental secession can not.

  143. #143
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 5:51 pm, TomB said:

    Why is it surprising that such a mistake would be made, given that so many of her minions thought Jessie MacBeth was a Ranger, that Border Patrol agents (Ramos and Compean) are criminals, and a certain senator, acting as First Lady, thought the proper use of the USMC honor guard was to distribute canapes at gala events?

    This would be so much better if it were fiction.

  144. #144
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 5:55 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    SuperSean, The Blue Angels fly their shows at about 400 knots, not near Mach 1 - a small point, but why exagerate? Many people love to see them fly and they do amazing things (pushing the envelope at air shows) to show their skill, and to bolster recruiting. They do fly shows near other major cities with the same frequency as S.F. - once a year.
    However, the point of the post seems lost on you, the Speaker of House claims to support our troops, but has pictures of Canadians on her website to show how much she “cares.” Many of us think that shows how little she cares. Some of us also think it’s indicative of the thinking of many on the left, who - we think - have little understanding of our military, and are showing them disrespect by not even taking the time to have an appropriate picture on their websites. I ask you - why is it the Speaker of the House doesn’t have dozens of pictures of herself shaking hands with troops (ours, not Syrian) that she could use on her site?

  145. #145
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 5:58 pm, jdawg said:

    Some of us also think it’s indicative of the thinking of many on the left, who - we think - have little NO understanding of our military,

    There, fixed…

    ;-}

  146. #146
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 5:59 pm, supersean said:

    Tantor:

    Not to get off topic here but I do know what I am talking about (USN retired). The blue angels are issued a waiver to the FAA rules and regulations concerning air show and acrobatic performances.

    1. The airspeeds for some of the maneuvers performed over the city can indeed reach near supersonic speeds

    2. Most military and civilian air show regulations require that all maneuvers be contained within a air show’s “aerobatic box” and that aircraft direct all energy away from crowds and populated areas. This is not the case with the blue angels who perform these OVER and directed towards populated areas. Any mishap would certainly impact and potentially injure those on the ground.

    Again, i do not support the calls for canceling the show but do think that some of the arguments are valid.

  147. #147
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 5:59 pm, peski said:

    They’ve yanked the pic now. Ha ha.

  148. #148
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 6:00 pm, Babs said:

    comments test #1, thanks

  149. #149
    On June 22nd, 2007 at 6:04 pm, supersean said:

    Just a grunt # 133

    I no longer live in the San Francisco region, but I can tell you that maybe if the Republican party actually placed a viable candidate and propositions into the area they would get some tracti