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Jihadi suspects on the loose in the U.K.; Blair calls civil liberties absolutists “loopy loo”

By Michelle Malkin  •  July 1, 2007 09:02 AM

2:00pm Eastern update. All the latest and an amazing photo of the would-be suicide attacker in Glasgow who reportedly yelled “Allah, Allah” during his thwarted attempt to kill in the name of the R.O.P. here.

11:30am Eastern update: Police have conducted a controlled explosion on a vehicle at the hospital treating a suspect in the airport attack and raided buildings in the central England town of Newcastle-Under-Lyme.

MI5 homepage: Threat level = Critical.

Alert: “Suspicious package” at JFK airport forces evacuation. Probably nothing, but better safe than sorry.

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terrorsuspect559081full.jpg Where in the world is Zeeshan Siddiqui? On Friday, I wondered if the Piccadilly Circus car bomb scare might be connected to fugitive terror suspects on the loose in London. You’ll recall that I linked to this article reporting on a seventh suspect who had escaped while under a UK “control order.” (Those orders allow the government to restrict the liberty, movement, and communications of terror suspects deemed dangers to public safety, but who cannot be tried in courts. More on that in a moment.) I also asked former Scotland Yard detective Steve Purl about the fugitives on The O’Reilly Factor Friday night. He agreed they were of concern, but had no further details.

This morning, in the wake of yesterday’s follow-on flaming jihadi jeep attack in Glasgow now officially linked to the thwarted London plot, the UK papers all report that police indeed are trying to track down several of those missing terror suspects in Britain, including the above-pictured Zeeshan Siddiqui. The Observer writes:

The London bomb attack was ‘al-Qaeda inspired’ and may have been linked to five terror suspects who have escaped Home Office control orders and are on the run. As the massive investigation into what could have been Britain’s most deadly terror attack widened last night, police and intelligence sources have also told The Observer that they were now investigating the existence of an Islamic terror cell operating in the capital.

One major branch of the inquiry is tracking down a number of terror suspects on the run who have slipped their control orders, a development that raises fresh questions over the effectiveness of the control orders. One man being sought is Lamine Adam, 26, who, in court evidence heard during the recent Crevice terror trial that saw five jailed for plotting fertiliser bomb attacks in the UK, allegedly boasted of targeting nightclubs…Other men urgently wanted by police are his brother Ibrahim, 20, and Cerie Bullivant, 24, who have also slipped measures meant to keep them under house arrest…Among other terror suspects police want to track down include former tube worker and 26-year-old Londoner Zeeshan Siddiqui. A court has heard how he trained with a London suicide bomber in Pakistan. Another man police want to find is Bestun Salim, who disappeared from his Manchester home last year.

Siddiqui’s escape was revealed two weeks ago by the BBC, which went to court to unmask his identity. Despite the sob-story treatment of his case by human rights groups, Siddiqui is a clear public menace. He trained at an al Qaeda camp in Pakistan with Mohammad Sidique Khan, the ringleader of the 7/7 London suicide bomb attacks, and Omar Khyam, the now jailed head of a plot to detonate a massive fertiliser bomb in England. He had worked as a London Underground station assistant and had met with Abd Al Hadi al-Iraqi, a senior al-Qaeda figure now being held at Guantanamo Bay. The BBC obtained some of his diary excerpts, written before he absconded by jumping from a window at a mental health unit in September 2006. Some jihadi-infused tidbits:

“The armies of Islam are coming, we are ready. I must endure and outdo all the others in endurance. I will do what Allah has willed for me indeed only then will Allah make me successful both in this life and the next.”

And as his health finally improves, he concludes that God has singled him out for blessings and that he now must rejoin the cause.

“I can only repay this debt of gratitude by giving my life and blood for his cause. I just pray that Allah makes this path easy for me.”

Some days he busies himself with his potato plants and making furniture. Other days, when he is feeling down, he entertains himself with violent jihadi videos or the news. US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice is a “black witch”. Iraqi prime minister Ibrahim Al Jaafari is a “dog of the hell fire, the Shatan [devil] used to live in Wembley.”

Peering into his mind through the diary, what emerges is an exceptionally troubled young man consumed with anger.

“I just can’t imagine how other Muslims… including my own brother can go about their daily lives as normal, rejecting the strife of the battlefield. Today Islam needs those who are prepared to fight to the death.

“I must rejoin my contingent I must make an all-out immense effort. I have come to the conclusion to just go for it.

“I am still allowing this world to overcome me… once I am back on the field Allah will improve my health automatically.

“Do not waiver or become weak against the enemy. This is the only way I can be reunited again with mummy and daddy in jannah [heaven].”

The papers in the UK have already begun raising questions about what more the government could have done to prevent the two latest attacks. See: “How did car bombers slip through the net?” Look for a lot of hindsight hypocrisy from critics who have been strident opponents of the control orders that have detained about a dozen total jihad suspects and allowed authorities to glean much intelligence about the al Qaeda network in Britain and the UK. As recently as last week, human rights groups were stirring up foment over Britain’s tough anti-terrorism measures and leaning on new PM Gordon Brown to loosen restrictions. The absconders show that, if anything, the control order system has not been tough enough.

***

On the eve of his official departure, Tony Blair provides scathing criticism of Muslim grievance-mongers and fantasy land civil liberties absolutists:

Tony Blair has launched a powerful attack on ‘absurd’ British Islamists who have nurtured a false ’sense of grievance’ that they are being oppressed by Britain and the United States.

In his most outspoken remarks on Islamists, the former Prime Minister warns that Britain is in danger of losing the battle against terrorists unless mainstream society confronts the threat.

Blair’s remarks, in which he also attacks some civil liberty campaigners as ‘loopy loo’, were made in a Channel 4 documentary recorded last Tuesday on the eve of his departure from Downing Street.

‘The idea that as a Muslim in this country that you don’t have the freedom to express your religion or your views, I mean you’ve got far more freedom in this country than you do in most Muslim countries,’ Blair told Observer columnist Will Hutton, who presents the documentary.

‘The reason we are finding it hard to win this battle is that we’re not actually fighting it properly. We’re not actually standing up to these people and saying, “It’s not just your methods that are wrong, your ideas are absurd. Nobody is oppressing you. Your sense of grievance isn’t justified.”‘

…Blair, who normally chooses his language carefully when he talks about Islamists, also takes a swipe at critics who accused him of undermining civil liberties. ‘When I’m trying to change the law in order to make it easier to deport people who engage in terrorism - the idea that that’s an assault on hundreds of years of British civil liberties is completely absurd. Some of what is written on this is loopy-loo in its extremism.’

Indeed it is. That same sense of extremist loopy-loo infects civil liberties absolutists here in the U.S. as well.

***

A fifth suspect has been arrested:

Police searched several houses near Glasgow International Airport on Sunday in connection with a fiery attack on its main terminal and a foiled car bomb plot in London, and police arrested a fifth suspect in the case.

Britain’s new prime minister, Gordon Brown, said the country was dealing with terrorists associated with al-Qaida. And Lord Stevens, Brown’s new terrorism adviser, said the two attacks in Britain indicate that “al-Qaida has imported the tactics of Baghdad and Bali

Four suspects were in police custody Sunday — and a fifth man was under guard in hospital — after a flaming Jeep crashed into a Scottish airport on Saturday and two car bomb plots were foiled in central London on Friday.

Police said Sunday’s search was taking place in a residential area about seven miles west of central Glasgow, about a mile from the airport. The area around a two-story house in Houston, a small town just outside Glasgow, was cordoned off.

Scotland Yard said two people were arrested early Sunday on a major highway in Cheshire, northern England, in a joint swoop by specialist officers from London and Birmingham. Another person was arrested overnight in Liverpool, police said.

Police offered no further details on those arrested.

In Scotland, officers arrested two men — one of them badly burned — after a Jeep Cherokee rammed into Glasgow airport and burst into flames. The green SUV shattered glass doors at the terminal entrance, stopping within yard of where passengers were lined up at check-in counters.

Police and security officials said the attacks were clearly linked, adding all three vehicles carried large amounts of flammable materials — including gasoline and gas cylinders. The chaos over the past two days has raised fears that the type of car bomb attack that have become commonplace in Iraq has now reached European shores.

Britain on Saturday raised its terror alert to “critical” — the highest possible level — and the Bush administration announced plans to increase security at airports and on mass transit.

In an interview on British Broadcasting Corp. TV Sunday, Brown, who replaced Tony Blair as Britain’s prime minister last week, said Britons face a “long-term and sustained” terrorist threat.

He said that Britain’s message to the terrorists must be: “We will not yield, we will not be intimidated, and we will not allow anyone to undermine our British way of life.”

The latest on the attacks here and here.

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  1. #1
    On July 1st, 2007 at 10:11 am, ThackerAgency said:

    SWEET! I’m first. Good morning MM.

    Blair’s comments in that article about the muslims crying foul and civil liberties being eroded for security should be read over and over and over again in the main stream media herea and in Britain.

    It is good to hear that from Blair. I know it is difficult for leaders to be critical of Islam in any way shape or fashion for fear of reprisal. But now that he is out of office, he is free to speak his mind.

    Those comments are long overdue, and they are equally valid in the US and getting more valid by the moment. They take their cues from the victimhood of the black Civil Rights movement in the US that has worked to effectively create special status in many instances for people of color.

    Great find on Blair. I always appreciated his support of the US, but questioned his stance on Islam. Now I have much more respect for him since he elaborated on the Truth that he’s been thinking for years I’m sure.

  2. #2
    On July 1st, 2007 at 10:27 am, Powder Tracks said:

    25 Beheadings this year and 10 last year in Thailand….Beheadings from other Jihadistic militants in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Indian-held Kashmir and Indonesia,(world’s most populous Muslim nation). In predominately Roman Catholic Philippines, some 37 people have been had their Heads SAWED OFFaka “decapitated” in the last several years by al Qaeda’s Jihadistic transport known as Abu Sayyaf!

    Thousands of non-Mexicans are caught crossing the United States border every year. They cannot be sent back to Mexico, but must be deported to their home country. Until recently, most were given a deportation hearing date and then simply released. Not surprisingly, few showed up for their scheduled appearances. Beginning last year, however, most who are caught are put into detention. They are then put through a procedure called expedited removal, under which many are flown back home within a few weeks.

    On our Southern Border Thousands of “OTMs” or non-Mexicans from Iraq, Pakistan, Yemen, the Palestinian territories and other Jihad infested parts of the World are entering our country are being caught. However we only catch 1 out of every 4. What happens to those that make it in to the USA. It’s not too hard to imagine that these illegal immigrants, who have clearly spent a lot of money getting to Mexico and then into the United States, are able to buy themselves an identity and corroborating papers once in an American city.

    The Islamic Society of Boston (ISB)who has radical Imam Yusuf al-Qaradawi as one of the ISB’s seven trustees
    wants to build a $22 million mosque with a 125-foot minaret and a 75-foot dome on the Roxbury Community College Camous. Per terror expert Walid Phares,

    “al-Qaradawi produced most of the doctrinal foundations for Jihadi radicalism since the mid-1990s, including the incitement for Jihadists to defeat the Africans in southern Sudan, the Middle East minorities, and women’s movements. Among other calls to arms, Al-Qaradawi [calls for the] further Talibanization of the Muslim world.”

  3. #3
    On July 1st, 2007 at 10:31 am, DaleC said:

    I am just imagining Osama sitting in his cave plotting for months or years on a well thought out attack . Then one of his cronies walks in and tells him about another amateurish attempt . Damn Wannabees ! I can’t work like this .
    Tony Blair .Very nice ! See , they know what has to been done . Our greatest legacy is our biggest weakness in this type of war . Civil liberties for all .
    Difficult choices must be made and soon .

  4. #4
    On July 1st, 2007 at 10:41 am, Powder Tracks said:

    To conclude my previous comment given this failed latest Terrorist Attempt in the UK and given that British Officials can not control their Jihadists & Honor Killing Muslims because this minority group is so large wouldn’t it make sense to build a Wall on our Border to keep them out. It is so obvious that these Jihadists want to gain a foothold in the USA so they can do the same kind of Terror here. Presidente Bush BUILD THE WALL!

  5. #5
    On July 1st, 2007 at 10:50 am, marsouin said:

    Isn’t this the perfect opportunity for British muslims to take to the streets to show solidarity with other Britons by conspicously and vehemently condemning these acts?

    If they don’t, how can the MSM tell us with a straight face that muslims are just plain folk and that any criticism is just simple bigotry and racism at its worst?

  6. #6
    On July 1st, 2007 at 10:58 am, Bruce Hendrix said:

    Is it me or does Ziddiqui look like Islamic Rage Boy?

  7. #7
    On July 1st, 2007 at 11:08 am, Pat said:

    The absconders show that, if anything, the control order system has not been tough enough.

    As Instapundit might say, time for an Army of Dogs (the Bounty Hunter)!

  8. #8
    On July 1st, 2007 at 11:19 am, ZoneDaiatlas said:

    Anybody wants to place bets on how Keith “Bathtub Boy with Viagra” Olbermann will report this latest bombing plot on Countdown to no Ratings?

  9. #9
    On July 1st, 2007 at 11:24 am, geminicontender said:

    I feel so terrible for the man who was burned in his car at the Glasgow airport. He must be in terrible pain not only from the burns on his body but he failed martyrdom, he failed Allah. No 72 virgins for him. If he is lucky he will be housed with all the gays. Unfortunately though you may not find any ‘virgins’ in that crowd. Boo hoo.

  10. #10
    On July 1st, 2007 at 11:41 am, deepdiver said:

    Britain on Saturday raised its terror alert to “critical” — the highest possible level

    Not too many years ago the follow up joke would have been, “And the French have raised their terror alert level from ’surrender’ to ‘collude’.”

    Unfortunately, with leadership such as Ken Livingston in England, Chamberlainesque diplomacy and capitulation seem to have fully infected a recently great nation. I fear it is but a short time before the same will fairly be said of the United States. As I take yet another advanced firearms class tonight I will hope and pray that the sheep wake up enough such that we shepherds never have to use our 2nd Amendment rights to defend this country in our own towns and streets.

  11. #11
    On July 1st, 2007 at 12:01 pm, citizen said:

    Watching the news stories develop on tv was excruciating. The contortions everyone went through to be certain there was no muslim connection AND no al-quaida connection were painful to watch.

    The quaida connection seemed to be the pivotal issue to the talking heads. If there is no provable connection this proves WHAT?

    The willy-nilly flight from reality is stunning.

  12. #12
    On July 1st, 2007 at 12:24 pm, Karmi said:

    He is not a “Jihadi”…he a irhabi:

    irhab (eer-HAB) — Arabic for terrorism

  13. #13
    On July 1st, 2007 at 1:00 pm, puhiawa said:

    How clueless are the Brits? Clueless or evil enough to send a young girl back to her father when she says she is going to be killed to save his honor. In spite of the fact that there are 12 such death every year.
    http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=3269926&page=1&CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312
    A fact apparently covered up by the authorities to spare the public’s sensibilities.

  14. #14
    On July 1st, 2007 at 1:00 pm, Chief RZ said:

    Right. “The lone bomber, and just a coincidence that they are all Muslims.”

  15. #15
    On July 1st, 2007 at 1:08 pm, sharinlite said:

    If there were only a way to get as many tinfoil hatted leftist loons and loopy loos in one place so that the terrorists they insist don’t exist would show them how real they really are. Why I bet this group of near humans would scream the loudest for all civil rights to be done away with. Isn’t that always the way? When confronted by the reality, they run the other way. Truly braveless folk.

  16. #16
    On July 1st, 2007 at 2:20 pm, Jaded said:

    I see that the night cameras show exactly when they entered the city and I was curious did the cameras pick up the John Edwards terrorism bumper sticker right next to the license plate?

  17. #17
    On July 1st, 2007 at 4:48 pm, Rick Moran said:

    Many civil liberties absolutists in this country are using the issue as a club. We’ve never had a war where there haven’t been some compromises with absolute freedom. But these “loopy loos” get hysterical not over any specific wrongdoing but over the potential for government mischief.

    This makes me think that many of these folks would be singing a different tune if a Democrat was in the White House and making similar compromises.

  18. #18
    On July 1st, 2007 at 6:14 pm, drillanwr said:

    I know this is a little out of place on this space, but I am hoping Michelle sees it and brings it to her readers’ attention … via Pat Dollard and Micheal Yon:

    Jul 1st 2007
    An Email From Michael Yon
    http://patdollard.com/2007/07/01/an-email-from-michael-yon/#comments

    Bless the Beasts and Children
    http://michaelyon-online.com/wp/bless-the-beasts-and-children.htm

    It’s exactly who we are fighting … (those of us who don’t have our heads firmly planted in the sand)

  19. #19
    On July 1st, 2007 at 6:15 pm, Leatherneck said:

    It’s the religion of peace folks, why be surprised? What should surprise you, is why the State Department allows so many Muslims into this country, and the southern border is not secured.

    Long live the Queen!

  20. #20
    On July 1st, 2007 at 6:24 pm, EdDantes said:

    This shouldn’t even be an issue in the US after 9/11 and in Britain after last summer. If you’ve been out of either country and you’ve been linked to terrorists or terrorists camps you should be put under close scrutiny. It’s the government’s job to protect us, not protect the rights of potential terrorists who want to kill us. Blair finally had the balls to point out the obvious, but, of course it took until he had one foot out the door. I wish we had a politician that would do the same in office.

  21. #21
    On July 1st, 2007 at 7:15 pm, puhiawa said:

    The loony Left infest the Brown government. Not a good thing.
    http://www.melaniephillips.com/diary/?p=1567

  22. #22
    On July 1st, 2007 at 7:59 pm, olympian2008 said:

    There is one solution to these latest bombing attacks in England that I think will be very effective. From now on each and every time a car bomb, IED or similar device goes off in the UK, Iraq or elsewhere we completely destroy a military base in Iran and keep doing so until there are none left if necessary.

  23. #23
    On July 1st, 2007 at 8:06 pm, EdDantes said:

    I’m sure when the investigation is complete they’ll discover that these “bombs” were nothing more than protests against the UK’s ban of smoking. It’s all coming together now.

  24. #24
    On July 1st, 2007 at 8:09 pm, terrig said:

    Tony Blair will be missed!

  25. #25
    On July 1st, 2007 at 8:13 pm, Craig said:

    Can anyone say Racial Profiling?

  26. #26
    On July 1st, 2007 at 8:14 pm, Craig said:

    I’m still waiting for those 82 year old grandmothers to turn themselves in.

  27. #27
    On July 1st, 2007 at 9:02 pm, Cricket said:

    Blair AND Bush should have taken that stand post 9-11. In the shock of the aftermath of that atrocity, Muslims here were quick to cry foul, and say that profiling was racist, and have been free to work on their agendas.

  28. #28
    On July 1st, 2007 at 9:16 pm, PBoilermaker said:

    Can anyone say Racial Profiling?

    If the shoe fits. When did profiling become an evil thing? It is common sense! To NOT profile in situations like this is suicidal on our part.

  29. #29
    On July 1st, 2007 at 9:52 pm, DarkKnight said:

    This is such a sad day that we live in. May God help us.

    Also, my travels take me to London in the coming weeks. To go or not to go, that is the question.

    If I go: I am remaining vigilant and standing with the British citizens who have to fight this every day.
    If I don’t go: I let the terrorists win by changing my schedule for them.

    The terrorists will not win.

    On July 1st, 2007 at 9:16 pm, PBoilermaker said:
    Can anyone say Racial Profiling?
    If the shoe fits. When did profiling become an evil thing? It is common sense! To NOT profile in situations like this is suicidal on our part.

    Racial Profiling is wrong, period. There is a difference between being viligent and watchful and singling out people based on race and/or religion. Let’s not sink that low.

  30. #30
    On July 1st, 2007 at 10:00 pm, EdDantes said:

    Darknight, you’re the biggest friggin’ hypocrite posting on this site.

    You’re against racial profiling now? On this post:

    http://michellemalkin.com/2007/06/28/another-democrat-yakfest/#comments

    you were for racial profiling in the form of Affirmative Action.

    So we can use racial profiling to give minorities an advantage in school/jobs but we can’t use it to prevent terrorist attacks?

    I guess when it benefits you it’s a good thing and when it gives you hardship it’s a bad thing?

    Don’t get me wrong, I’m against racial profiling, but your logic is completely flawed (doubtful if anyone on the board is surprised).

    We shouldn’t profile based on race, we should profile based on where people have been, who they’re connected to, and who they stay in contact with.

  31. #31
    On July 1st, 2007 at 10:05 pm, swj719AWG said:

    The fact that Chertoff doesn’t think we should raise our nation-wide threat level suggests to me that we should.

    Shamnesty proved that he’s a moron, so I’m inclined to believe the opposite of what he does.

  32. #32
    On July 1st, 2007 at 10:12 pm, PBoilermaker said:

    Racial Profiling is wrong, period. There is a difference between being viligent and watchful and singling out people based on race and/or religion. Let’s not sink that low.

    As I said before, DK, I don’t speak in absolutes. It’s all part of the toolbag and to ignore a painfully obvious precedent is insane.

    Your standard ACLU response isn’t surprising, however.

  33. #33
    On July 1st, 2007 at 10:25 pm, laugrat said:

    I just recently learned that in New York State the Department of Environment (DEC) police can come into your home - - without a warrant - - and look in your freezer and around your house to see if you might have shot more game than the state allots a hunter.

    I couldn’t believe it - - they can march into your house - - no court order, no prior evidence…just a whim. But we have the Democrats, the ACLU and the left screaming about court orders and justice for suspected Muslim terrorists. But the environmental police must make certain that no one shoots more than his quota of deer - - God knows we have a shortage.

    Sometimes I feel like Rip Van Winkle - - I went to sleep for 30 years and woke up to find the country entirely mad.

    The Constitution protects our rights, but it is not a suicide pact. We have a right to protect ourselves and fight these people, whatever it takes….so do the Brits. Thank God Tony Blair has the courage to speak the truth.

  34. #34
    On July 1st, 2007 at 10:28 pm, general company said:

    swj719AWG said: The fact that Chertoff doesn’t think we should raise our nation-wide threat level suggests to me that we should.

    Now that you mention it ?

  35. #35
    On July 1st, 2007 at 10:44 pm, swj719AWG said:

    It’s the same theory used by my father (a Vietnam vet) about how he takes the opposite view of everything that Macnamara holds, because Macnamara never had a correct thought in his life.

  36. #36
    On July 1st, 2007 at 11:28 pm, DarkKnight said:

    On July 1st, 2007 at 10:00 pm, EdDantes said:
    Darknight, you’re the biggest friggin’ hypocrite posting on this site.

    You’re against racial profiling now? On this post:

    http://michellemalkin.com/2007/06/28/another-democrat-yakfest/#comments

    you were for racial profiling in the form of Affirmative Action.

    So we can use racial profiling to give minorities an advantage in school/jobs but we can’t use it to prevent terrorist attacks?

    I guess when it benefits you it’s a good thing and when it gives you hardship it’s a bad thing?

    Don’t get me wrong, I’m against racial profiling, but your logic is completely flawed (doubtful if anyone on the board is surprised).

    We shouldn’t profile based on race, we should profile based on where people have been, who they’re connected to, and who they stay in contact with.

    Wow, Ed. I am well aware of other threads, thank you very much. But thanks for the refresher in case I forgot.

    Using your logic, people could say race should be allowed in racial profiling because race stops the terrorists. But, race shouldn’t be allowed in cases ssuch as affirmative action, though.

    If you say “Race is either a factor or it isn’t,” then these people would be “friggin’ hypocrites” as well, right EdDantes?

    Then you’d argue that these people would be for racial profiling when they know they aren’t going to be targeted and against affirmative action because they it doesn’t benefit them.

    Surely, you’d say the same ridiculous statement about them too, right, Ed?

    I doubt it.

    Racial Profiling is the process of taking into account someone’s superficial characteristics to place tthem into a certain categorization. I’m against racial profiling because it can be easily abused. Think of the instances where race was used in assuming a person was committing a crime. Do you remember “Runaway Bride” Jennifer Wilbanks? She initially said a hispanic male and white woman had kidnapped her. Instantaneously, some interracial couples were included based solely on their race. After the 1996 OKC bombing, police were searching for men of middle eastern dissent. We haven’t even gotten to the discussion of percentage of cars stopped in statistically higher proportion when divided by the drivers race.

    But minorities shouldn’t have to worry being singled out based on their race, right, because they should have nothing to hide? (/sarcasm)

    As I said, racial profiling is not the answer to stopping terror because there are instances where race had nothing to do with the terror. Take Adam Gadahn for example. Racial profiling would not have caught him.

    It could be my own bias figures into my position on the subject of racial profiling. I must acknowledge that.

    With that said, I support Affirmative Action because I subscribe to the theory of Sandra Day O’Conner when she said that AA is still very much needed in our society. But she hopes that its days are numbered. I do believe that lines are already starting to blur and equality will truly become realized. So long as that is not the case, AA is still needed to level the playing field.

    I do not see these as conflicting positions. I will not call you out of your name, sir.

  37. #37
    On July 1st, 2007 at 11:33 pm, DarkKnight said:

    Edit: Then you’d argue that these people would be for racial profiling… when they know they aren’t going to be targeted and against affirmative action… because then it doesn’t benefit them.

  38. #38
    On July 2nd, 2007 at 12:47 am, puhiawa said:

    Actually, I am totally in favor of religious profiling. Seems to me the terrorists are MUSLIMS. Simple.

  39. #39
    On July 2nd, 2007 at 12:59 am, hadsil said:

    I miss Blair already.

  40. #40
    On July 2nd, 2007 at 1:39 am, Craig said:

    Take Adam Gadahn for example. Racial profiling would not have caught him.

    Uh…apparently, you haven’t seen a picture of him lately. I would’ve immediately profiled him.

  41. #41
    On July 2nd, 2007 at 1:40 am, puhiawa said:

    Chertoffs latest BS. This little toad needs to be fired. He inspires as much confidence as that purple queer Tele Baby.
    http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56467

  42. #42
    On July 2nd, 2007 at 2:48 am, BluegrassHindu said:
  43. #43
    On July 2nd, 2007 at 7:34 am, Mr_Conservative_Cat said:

    Particularly with his latest comments, Blair is rare among electable politicians in the UK. Now more than ever we need that kind of stewardship over there. It’s a bad time for the world for him to resign. He’s still badly needed in office - where he might still effect real, positive change. Let’s hope that his replacement is of some rhetorical value, at least.

  44. #44
    On July 2nd, 2007 at 7:46 am, Mr_Conservative_Cat said:

    By the way, we need to get over infantile hurt feelings and get on with the down-to-earth common sense necessity of racial profiling. Life always has some pain-in-the-ass attached to it: the adult world by practical necessity isn’t Romper Room with Miss Louise. If you happen to be a 20-something male muslim from Pakistan who finds himself in a situation in which he might be deemed suspicious by the mere circumstances - seeming sneaky and muttering anti-american epithets in a jetliner preparing to take off might be a good example - you just need to suck it up, Jack, understand how the world needs to work and act like a man.

    If I hear one more “civil rights advocate” whining because some guy was asked to show some ID without being caught detonating a dirty nuke in Grand Central Station, or whatever, I really will have a brain implosion! Enough is enough. It’s time to stop acting like 2-year-olds and get on with the fine art of saving some lives.

  45. #45
    On July 2nd, 2007 at 8:31 am, George said:

    Siddiqui has taken an alias. He is now known as Rahm Emmanuel posing as a congressman from Chicgo.

  46. #46
    On July 2nd, 2007 at 12:18 pm, twoninerkilo said:

    I hope that S.O.B who got burned in the airport bombing lives…. In exquist pain,in a 8×4 cell for many years.

  47. #47
    On July 2nd, 2007 at 1:47 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Mr_Conservative_Cat
    I wonder if Blair would be interested in a job heading up DHS? An instant 50% increase in IQ at the top, and someone with the will to win. Not to mention articulate.

  48. #48
    On July 2nd, 2007 at 2:32 pm, EdDantes said:

    Darknight, read my post again.

    I clearly say that I’m against racial profiling for terrorism, and you can use intuition to deduce that I believe affirmative action to be a form of racial profiling. So, using this logic, you can conclude that I do not support racial profiling to fight terrorism or to give advantages to minorities.

    Racial Profiling is the process of taking into account someone’s superficial characteristics to place tthem into a certain categorization.

    Your quote above outlines exactly what affirmative action is.

    All I said was that it is hypocritical of you to be for racial profiling in the form of affirmative action and against it to help prevent terrorist attacks.

    It’s exactly as I put it:

    I guess when it benefits you it’s a good thing and when it gives you hardship it’s a bad thing?

  49. #49
    On July 2nd, 2007 at 3:08 pm, PBoilermaker said:

    Ed, the rest of us understand the validity of your argument, don’t worry.

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