The jihad doctor everyone’s forgotten; outbreak of jihadi violence in Pakistan
Update: Aafia Siddiqui’s native Pakistan is erupting in jihadi violence. At least 9 killed, including 2 police officers and a soldier, at the Red Mosque in Islamabad.
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There are now five jihadi doctors implicated in the London/Glasgow car bomb attempts. The latest is a doctor in Australia. Some are expressing shock that highly educated medical professionals are accused of participating in attacks with al Qaeda’s fingerprints all over them. Those shocked experts are either profoundly blind or suffering from toddler-age attention spans. al Qaeda honcho Ayman Zawahiri is a doctor. So is former Hamas biggie Abdel Rantissi. And the woman pictured on the left? She’s Affia Siddiqui–a Pakistani who studied microbiology at MIT and did graduate work in neurology at Brandeis. The FBI has been seeking information about her whereabouts since 9/11.
Back in 2004, I noted a Newsweek report on her al Qaeda-linked activities and that of her estranged husband–also a doctor:
[D]ocuments show that while trying to trace a tangled money trail beginning with the Saudi Embassy, [terrorism] investigators soon drew startling connections between a group of Saudi nationals receiving financial support from the embassy and a 34-year-old microbiologist and MIT graduate who officials have since concluded was a U.S. operative for 9/11 mastermind Khalid Shaikh Mohammed.
The microbiologist, Aafia Siddiqui, a mother of three young children, has since fled the country–most likely to her native Pakistan-and is now wanted for questioning by the FBI. But “suspicious-activity reports” (SARS) filed by Fleet Bank with the U.S. Treasury Department, suggest that Siddiqui and her estranged husband, Dr. Mohammed Amjad Khan, an anesthesiologist, may have been active terror plotters inside the country until as late as the summer of 2002.The reports show that Fleet Bank investigators discovered that one account used by the Boston-area couple showed repeated debit-card purchases from stores that “specialize in high-tech military equipment and apparel,” including Black Hawk Industries in Chesapeake, Va., and Brigade Quartermasters in Georgia. (Black Hawk’s Web site, advertises grips, mounts and parts for AK-47s and other military-assault rifles as well as highly specialized combat clothing, including vests designed for bomb disposal.)
Fleet accounts associated with the couple also showed “major purchases” from U.S. airlines and hotels in Pittsburgh and North Carolina as well as an $8,000 international wire transfer on Dec. 21, 2001, to Habib Bank Ltd., a big Pakistani financial institution that has long been scrutinized by U.S. intelligence officials monitoring terrorist money flows.NEWSWEEK first reported, in a June 23, 2003, cover story, that the FBI had identified Siddiqui and Khan as suspected Al Qaeda agents. Internal FBI documents showed that, after his capture in March 2003, Khalid Shaikh Mohammed told U.S. interrogators that Siddiqui was supposed to support “other AQ operatives as they entered the United States.” Agents also found evidence that she had rented a post-office box to help another Baltimore-based Al Qaeda contact who had been assigned by Khalid Shaikh Mohammed to blow up underground gasoline-storage tanks. Bureau documents also stated that Khan, Siddiqui’s husband, had purchased body armor, night-vision goggles and a variety of military manuals that were supposed to be sent to Pakistan.
Our Hot Air report tracing the Baltimore plot and Siddiqui’s role as the suspected fixer for al Qaeda is here.
As Steve Emerson pointed out during my interview with him last night on The O’Reilly Factor, they serve two useful purposes: 1) they had been able to evade national security scrutiny by immigration officials who didn’t realize the threat they posed and 2) their education and expertise have helped advance the jihadi plots.
Those who are expressing shock, shock at the presence of medical professionals in the al Qaeda world haven’t been paying enough attention.
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Question for our homeland security officials: Where in the world is Aafia Siddiqui? Perhaps it’s time to ask a little louder.
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Update: More terrorist docs.
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Michelle, I think that using doctors as bombers is one more indication that this is a problem that cannot be negotiated with.
BTW, you were great on the Factor last night. Keep up the great work.
JD
Until we suspect every single Muslim living in the West (called: profiling) regardless of country of origin, race, color and profession, the West and especially America will be hit harder than September 11, 2001 from unexpected sources.
Until we stop political correctness, until we stop “winning the hearts and minds,” until we realize that Islam and the Muslims are the Enemy, the West and especially America will lose the war on Islamic terrorism.
If America would have to reopen the concentration camps again to protect national security, so be it.
The question is:
Do the leaders of this country have the guts of their predecessors to make any tough decision?
Answer:
So far, I do not think so.
One of the least read parts of the 9/11 Commission Report had to do with the background of the main plotters.
They were not poor, deluded peasants from the Middle East. All 7 of the major players had some college and had attended school in the west. They were not even radicals until being drawn into the network of mosques that function as jihadi recruiting sites.
I would be interested to see if something similar didn’t happen to these doctors - that they were radicalized not by anything the west has done but rather by joining radical places of worship - places that we in the west are loathe to shut down due to our concern over freedom of religion.
Perhaps there is a way we can satisfy both our security concerns and freedom of religion. But I frankly don’t see how.
What did she study at MIT?
Where in the world is Aafia Siddiqui?
With open borders like ours, here. And don’t even think about deportation and violating Aafia Siddiqui’s rights. If Clinton is elected, the only thing Aafia Siddiqui will have to do is elude the police for 5 years and then, automatic citizenship! Sheeeeeshhh
P.S. Michelle was awesome last night - BILL!!!
Surfing around the blogosphere today, it doesn’t seem many care about this, especially on the left. They’re busy having one of the biggest meltdowns ever over Scooter Libby’s commutation.
I knew they’d have a temper tantrum, but this is just too much.
Michelle, you are way too hot! My wife won’t let me watch the Factor when you’re on anymore. I guess she’s jealous. Am I the only one who has this problem? Maybe if you wore one of those burqua’s while you’re on the air she’d change her mind.
Anyhow, you’ve got to take it easy on Muslims. It’s easy to get so caught up in this Jihad stuff that we can forget that it’s just a few of them that are whacked.
The idea that the root cause of Islamic terrorism is poverty and deprivation has been solidly debunked years ago for the thinking people but it must be debunked endlessly to penetrate the thick skulls of the lefty hammerheads. Maybe a terrorist cell of doctors given every advantage in the West will help debunk it some more. To coin a phrase: “It’s the Islam, stupid!”
And yes, Michelle is way hot.
We should send the link to Michelle’s site to Senator Feingold so maybe he can get into the real world. That guy is living in a fairy land. I have an idea for the first
crew to head to mars ( on a one way flight): Feingold, Kennedy, Dingy Harry Reid, Boxer, Schumer , et. el.
Naturally, leftist politicians and media people are in denial that many jihadis happen to be well-off professionals. It doesn’t fit their stereotypes and news people need those stereotypes because if they had to think, they would miss their deadlines and, God forbid, be scooped by their competition.
First and foremost, the terrorist problem we face, at the root, is a Islamofascist problem. Religious zealots of all means, education and social status are at-war. These wild-eyed cultists don’t care for our way of life, we non-believers, so we’re to be punished. What better way to inflict their death culture upon us than to use the vessel of health? Doctors can heal and doctors can kill. What’s the difference between a slip of a scapel or financing terrorism? The latter kills more people of course. Those wiley terrorists! What will they come with next. Suice babies? Oh, forgot. The Palestinians already did that one.
I wish people would stop saying that only a few muslims are the problem . That’s beyond naive. Maybe when Minnesota has declared sharia law the “poor misunderstood muslim crowd ” will get a clue.
Bombings are not the only actions being taken by muslims . They are using our on laws against us on all levels.
If you look at the history of conflicts, when doctors and other professionals get involved then you have problems. I feel that the discourse needs to drop the “al Qaeda ” label. This is causing too much confusion with Americans and the press. We need to address the issue that we are at war with Islam, not “al Qaeda” and not terror. This would then free up the American people so they can go about their lives in a more normal way such as getting on an airplane without gross abuse of the Fourth Amendment. It would make any invasion of another country more acceptable as we would not have to justify the presence of al Qaeda, but only that that country supported the Muslim religion.
So, I’m thinking we need air marshals in hospitals now too.
Very strange indeed! Seems to me that using doctors as suicide bombers is not a wise allocation of resources. Normally I would expect a more expendable type of person to be used for this function such as janitors, burger flippers, welfare recipients, etc.
Elect Tom Tancredo for President 2008. He will take care of the Islamic terror problem.
The so called “leaders” of the Western world and our MSM grovel to be seen as enlightened protectors of an embattled and hijacked religion. They continue to thus fraudulently refer to Islam as a “religion of peace”, and to portray so-called “Islamofascists” as coming from poor, uneducated, and disenfranchised segments of Muslim societies.
This case demolishes those myths. The perpetrators were mainly well-educated, well-paid physicians with all the advantages that a safe, comfortable existence provides. Islamofascism isn’t the problem. ISLAM is the problem. De-certify it as a legitimate religion. Treat it as it really is, a vicious, rapacious death cult.
See the following revealing article by a self-confessed jihadi to learn how THEY view our “fairness”: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=465570&in_page_id=1770
Remember that Che was a doctor as well. He had no problem with his murder torture program - it was for the common good after all….
Short attention spans indeed. Medical doctors involved in crimes against humanity are not new, Joseph Mengele comes to mind. Someone pointed out the alarming number of MDs in and around American politics (Ron Paul, Howard Dean to name a couple), so maybe we should be extra careful of our selected leaders when they’re drawn from certain professions? Of course not, but we need to be aware that education does not necessarily imply rational thought just as piety does not necessarily mean kindness.
Previous commenter planetgeo raised a very good point. The leftist talking points have always maintained that terrorism flows from emotional, irrational impulses, incited by certain vague “American policies.” Yet here we have rational medical doctors leading the deadly assaults.
Has anybody seen how leftists are fitting this new information into their marxist narrative? It would seem to introduce profound cognitive dissonance.
So Islam is not responsible for terrorism, it is education. Glad that is cleared up.
(british wishful thinking)
No Kidding.
Doesn’t say much of the value that Islam places on human life, even those with the ability to save and ease the suffering of others.
That the administration concentrates on “radical” Muslims and refuses to acknowledge “moderate” Muslims as considerably more likely to be radical acting than portrayed, isn’t helpful, to put it mildly.
As Annie Jacobsen said in her Terror in the Skies series, “If they can learn to fly an airplane, they can learn to play a musical insturment”.
And that quote was dismissed as silly.
Brent:
Spot on. Since there is no way for the left to fit this into their narrow view of terrorists and terrorism, I fully expect this little detail to be flushed down the rabbit hole - along with the fact that Mohamed Atta was an engineering student and another 9/11 hijacker was in pre-med.
So… Now we have doc…umented terrorists?
This is interesting. I wonder if she is wanted as a suspect in the anthrax attacks. The timeline certainly fits, as does her background as a microbiologist.
She studied at Brandeis as well - a case of “keeping your enemies closer” than your friends?
(And yeah, my lady took the remote and switched to CNN where they went on and on and on about a local murder in Nebraska. War on terror, what war on terror? Sorry Michelle, you’re going to have to get a Bill O’Reilly mask from a Halloween store.)
Bulldoze the mosques, burn there filthy, hate spewing, korans, make it a capital offence for any one to possess one. Problem solved!
Hey pal, how does that Kool-Aid taste?
The religion(cult) has not been hijacked; it is the religion.
Realizing this fact is the first step.
Disclaimer: this is speculation. I’m not laying this out here as fact, but it’s a line that I’m interested in hearing comments on:
From a purely secular viewpoint, most Islamic families seem to be very much like European families were approximately 100 years ago: the children are told what they are going to study in college(you be a doctor, your brother will be a lawyer, your sister will be a fine housewife, etc.), who they are going to marry, where they are going to live, etc.
If that’s true, then there are likely other non-secular attributes that go along with it. 100 years ago, US Catholics had their faith drilled into their heads. You went to mass EVERY Sunday, no exceptions. You went to confession EVERY week, no exceptions.
In other words, the kids being raised in those homes tended to have what could objectively be called “stronger beliefs.”
I’m guessing that these Al Qaeda MD’s are largely born to upper-middle class families who are doing much the same thing. Not only putting the same secular pressures on their kids as were done to the Irish/Italian kids of 100 years ago here, but are putting the same hyper-religious beliefs on them.
Given the violent cornerstones of Islam, discussed pretty clearly here and elsewhere, the result of this hyper-indoctrination would be educated, affluent… Islamic Fundamentalist Doctors.
@#31
There are similarities like what you’ve listed. But the similarities end when we look at the religion they are brought up in.
If you’re a nominal Christian and you go through a “revival”, you go to the Bible and you meet the person of Jesus. You see Jesus’ attributes (i.e. self-sacrificial, loving, caring) and you copy those.
If you’re a nominal Muslim and you go through a “revival”, you go to the Qur’an + Hadiths and you see the person of Mohammad. Now… do we really want people to be like Mohammad? Just do a google search of Mohammad’s history or even look it up on Wikipedia. Suffice to say, Mohammad and Osama have a lot in common.
As much as I hate to cry for the end of one’s ability to practice the faith of their choice, freedoms and all, i do believe that we must find a way to stop Islam in its tracks.
Trying to find that balance; and this is so that the ACLU cannot use it to stop other religions like christianity, hindu and jewish. Cause grant it if we call it a cult, the ACLU will find a way to use that to describe those religions they find offensive.
There must be a cry for a reformation within Islam, sad thing is that everytime an imam crys for reformation he gets his head cut off…strange how that works..
The problem IS Islam! Look around the world, and wake up. #7, just a few? 10, or 20%? 40%?
How many Christian churches are being built in Saudi? What does Hamas do to Christians in the West bank? You do not hear much about that do you?
MM, great job on the Factor last night.
I must confess to a bit of pessimisim. So far I see no one running for the presidency who is willing to eschew all of the pc rhetoric about Islam being a religion of peace. If this is so, where are all of the Muslims who disavow the violence? Why haven’t we heard from more than a few of them? Why aren’t they protesting the violence with the same vociferousness that we saw over the cartoons?
We are getting a frightening glimpse into the future of this country by the events that are taking place in Europe. How soom will it be until Spain falls under Sharia, or any other previously Muslim occupied country?
Until one of our candidates is prepared to call a spade a spade (Ronald Reagan I miss you!)then we will never be able to properly deal with the problem that is radical Islam.
Medicine and Physicians in the Muslim World hold a most exalted positions and probably the loftiest after Imams. One of mentors was a brillant Iranina Physician who scored the Highest Board Certification when she took the test. She told me that the best strudents in high school in the Middle East go to Medical School then the next batch of students go to Engineering School. What’s next a AQ Khan type Physics Terrorist Cell in the US.
The History of Modern Medicine and the Residency Training system we use today can find his roots in the Islamic World. Texts from Greece and Rome were translated into Arabic and studied by Arab & Islamic scholars and their Physicians developed and refined Hippocrate’s theories.
At Islamimic Hospitals rich and poor alike were treated. Islamic hospitals of the time had medical and surgical wards as well as operating theatres and pharmacies for the dispensing of medicines like ours and ours are their progeny in a sense.
Arabic & Islamic doctors performed many different surgical operations and used sponges soaked in narcotic drugs which were placed over the patient’s nose as early anaesthetics.
Avicenna’s massive manuscript, called the Laws of Medicine, completed around 1030 AD & translated into Latin served as an encyclopaedia of medicine abd detailed therapies having an enormous influence in the development of medicine in medieval Europe for hundreds of years.
Men from this revered Tradition become Assassins! What Next Physics and Engineering Students in our University working on line to build a bathtub NUKE. Che Guevara was a Physician too and killed lots of people for Fidel.
Eat and Apple a Day and God Help us!
These Muslim doctors in the United States and Britain are a very serious threat to our national security, as many are terror supporters. Because of their education, they can get into the U.S. easily.
Debbie Schlussel has a frightening post about the Muslim doctors here in the U.S., including one who deliberately killed an elderly Jewish patient in cold blood. We need to wake up.
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2007/07/i_told_you_so_t.html
Anyone have a guess as to what the “SPECTACULAR EVENT” is supposed to be ……when/where? (terrorist threat)
Spectacular, I associate with FIREWORKS for some reason.
Hmmmmmmmm
Gayle, we are, for the most part, in reaction mode.
With enough coordination, these Islamic nuts can wreak significant havoc without a singular, catastrophic event.
Pay attention to your surroundings and don’t believe the anti-hype that all is well on the homefront.
Alright. I’ve had enough.
What I am going to write here will probably not be seen by those who most need to see it. But I am going write it because there are some commenters in this thread (and every other thread dealing with Islamic terrorists) who have decided that the 1 billion adherents to the Muslim faith are all guilty of…something.
The rank amatuerism displayed by many of you trying to discuss the tenets of Islam nauseates me. It isn’t so much the ignorance and bigotry - I expect that on blogs and especially one this big and well known. But what truly repels me is this belief that 1 billion adherents to a faith can all be lumped together with those with murder in their hearts.
This is madness. Hundreds of millions of peaceful people who wouldn’t harm a fly or wish any harm to befall anyone else are tarred with your clumsy, ignorant efforts at stupefyingly stupid analysis.
The Saudis, the Pakistanis, the Afghanis, the Gulf Arabs - these are people who live differently than we do in the west. Your judgemental take on how they run their lives, how they treat their families, is fatally flawed by a belief in your own intrinsic superiority and the superiority of a western way of life.
Change comes incredibly slowly when you’re talking about reforming entire societies - especially those where change is frowned upon and resisted. We in America are blessed with an astonishing ability to alter our society at will - an unheard of attribute in the old world or the third world. And yet most of you are demanding that these socieites that are thousands of years old make their way into the 21st century immediately or else.
I have written many times that what Islam needs is a Martin Luther who will nail his 95 theses to the doors of a mosque. And if the logic and faith behind those theses is powerful enough - as Luther’s were - the rest won’t matter. Luther was persecuted, tried, and excommunicated for his beliefs and would have been burned at the stake except for his brilliance. There will arise, I’m sure, someone equally brilliant in the Muslim world to stand in Luther’s shoes and do for Islam what Luther did for Christianity - he allowed the modern, secular world to triumph.
But until that time, we must deal with Islam as it is. And it is NOT a religion of murderers nor of terrorists. It is a religion with violent adherents - a super small minority who have mostly terrorized others not to speak against them.
And what you see as an extension of terrorism - Muslims agitating for us to adopt their ways - is nothing more than proseltyzing. We are in no more danger of succumbing to Sharia law than the rest of the nation is of being converted to Christianity. My goodness there are only 3 million Muslims in this country (about one million are Nation of Islam - hardly “Muslims” in the notional sense). That’s exactly one percent of our population. I hardly think that this outpouring of spite directed against them is worth the trouble much less realistic in any sense of the word.
In short - let’s all stick with what we know. And unless you’re some kind of a scholar who can speak with authority on the history of Islam, I would appreciate it very much if you at least hid your feelings of loathing toward a religion you know very little about and less about the people who practice it.
Michelle, I have a round trip Southwest Airlines ticket that I would like to donate to a soldier. If you see this, email me any links to organizations that can accepts donated tickets for soldiers. Have a wonderful Fourth of July! God bless you and our brave military! Thanks!!
Nice tirade. People are free to voice their concern and disdain whether they are theological scholars or not. Who are you to determine what can and can’t be said or felt by others?
Rather than berate the people who you claim are woefully ignorant regarding the nuances of Islam, how about you educate them? After all, this lack of understanding is what upsets you, correct?
Regardless, your perceived moral superiority is just as offensive, annoying and unnecessary.
Not sure if many of you caught the British jihadist confession. I have written about it at The Jungle Report. Just goes to emphasize it’s not the American foreign policy that is the real cause of terrorism. It is Islam itself.
Until we get Muslims themselves to gut out this extreme elements out of their religion, we will never get rid of it. At the same time, we must never give into the apologists. Or dhimis as Michelle calls them.
Why is it so utterly disturbing to see a woman so deeply caught up in Islamic terrorism? And how is it that she can have so much apparent influence being that she is a woman?
Most of us would very much like to believe that, but what we are seeing is exactly the opposite:
-the “cartoon jihad”
-the death decree against Rushdie
-the execution of christians by muslims in the Sudan
-suicide bombings around the world
-subway bombings in London
-train bombings in Madrid
-riots in France
-honor killings throughout Asia
-Pan Am 103
-WTC take 1
-WTC take 2
-the Bali bombings
-executions of christians in Malaysia
-Embassy bombings in Africa
-Beiruit
-The USS Cole
-The Munich massacre
And so on.
If the vast majority does not support these acts, why do they continue? Or more to the point, why do they increase in scope and severity? If it takes a village to raise a child, it also takes one to support a terror cell.
If the vast majority does not support these acts, why do they continue?
Because a very small group of determined people continue them.
I don’t follow your logic. Are you saying that if killing an abortion doctor by a Christian activist isn’t condemned by the 1.2 billion christians in the world then they are as culpable as the murderer?
PB:
You can have any horses ass opinion you want to have. You can hate anybody you wish. My only point was that it’s stupid and ignorant to believe that a billion Muslims want to kill you or are culpable or practice an evil religion.
We in the rational world call that “stereotyping.”
And yes, I am indeed morally superior to someone who believes that kind of idiocy. I am also smarter, more knowledgeable about the world, and probably better looking although that last may not be true.
That clear things up for ya?
#40 Rick, see #45’s long list again. You don’t get it.
Islam IS the problem.Your boy Mohammed was a murderer, and rapest. At it’s core Islam is twisted with hate for Jews, and Christians.
“You want the truth, you can’t handle the truth!”
I see why you cannot follow my logic - you would rather try to twist it to serve your own purposes.
Nice try. I will not be baited by you, even though you appear to be a master at it.
So Muslims fly planes into the Trade Center, kill thousands every year, force their women to wear burkas, sow discord every place they are in the world in which they are not the majority–from Thailand to the U.S–treat those who practice minority religions as second class citizens, have killed millions throughout history, including having slaughtered every Buddhist in India making it extinct in the land of its birth, spread through jihad throughout most of the ancient world, worship a god of violence, blow themselves up in the name of subjugating infidels, hate Jews with a passion, I could on and on.
Yet Rick Moran loftily proclaims we just don’t get what a peaceful religion Islam is. I wonder what his qualifications and experience are to make such a statement.
I’ve traveled and lived both in Asia and in Europe and know there is a common consensus that Islam is NOT a religion of peace by those who actually know the religion (unlike Rusty) and that Muslims everywhere they immigrate to stir up violence and trouble. In most countries it is manifested in violence; in the U.S. (at least now) it is a refusal to assimilate and a demand that we assimilate to them, e.g. letting them pray in schools, giving them religious holidays, etc.
It will only get worse as we allow more of these anti-Semites into our country.
I suggest you read the Jerusalem Post account of Hamas’s children’s camp where the little tykes are taught weapons training along with hate indoctrination. (http://www.jpost.com) While the article’s headline states that some Gaza parents have pulled their kids out of the camp, others remain. I have Muslim business clients and to the best of my knowledge, none of them take the religion too seriously.
Happy 4th of July
http://thecitytroll.blogspot.com/2007/07/who-we-are.html
Rick,
Martin Luther saw that the teachings of the medieval church had significantly diverged from the actual teachings of the Biblical texts. The reformation was an attempt at moving the Church back to Biblical principles, before Luther was excommunicated and thus the dissidents split and formed their own church.
Your ignorance of the Qur’an and Islam is well pronounced when you say that Islam needs a Martin Luther. I do not doubt that there are millions of Muslims who do not want violence and are happy to live along side people of other religions. However, that is more of a deviation of Muslim teaching than true Muslim teaching.
What will be the contents of a Muslim Martin Luther’s thesis be? Sura 9:5 and 9:29 quickly come to mind as an example of this call to reformation.
Even at the most ignorant level, look at the major religions of today. Have people killed in the name of Christ? Of course. However you can see that this is an aberration of the religion, since Christ killed no one and his teachings very much demonstrate this. Have people killed in the name of Buddha? Believe it or not, some nutters have. Yet, if you look at Buddha, you see that these followers are an aberration and not the norm. And then we come to Mohammad. You don’t need to be an expert in history to make up your mind. How many died to his sword? Look at his teaching.
Now, do we want a Muslim Martin Luther? I truly hope not. The more apostates there are in Islam, the better.
Un. Be. Lievable.
“My boy” Muhammed? Can’t you see how royally ignorant that makes you look to the 95% of people who live in the rational world? I pity you.
So Muslims fly planes into the Trade Center, kill thousands every year, force their women to wear burkas, sow discord every place they are in the world in which they are not the majority–from Thailand to the U.S–treat those who practice minority religions as second class citizens, have killed millions throughout history, including having slaughtered every Buddhist in India making it extinct in the land of its birth, spread through jihad throughout most of the ancient world, worship a god of violence, blow themselves up in the name of subjugating infidels, hate Jews with a passion, I could on and on.
Start counting. When you get to a billion - in about 70 years - then tell me that all Muslims are like those you describe above.
in the U.S. (at least now) it is a refusal to assimilate and a demand that we assimilate to them, e.g. letting them pray in schools, giving them religious holidays, etc.
Look out! In 100 years there may be enough of them that we’ll start having Sunday dinner on Friday.
Your ignorance of the Qur’an and Islam is well pronounced when you say that Islam needs a Martin Luther. I do not doubt that there are millions of Muslims who do not want violence and are happy to live along side people of other religions. However, that is more of a deviation of Muslim teaching than true Muslim teaching.
Thank you Ayatollah Pgtips. Your expertise and knowledge in “true” Muslim teaching is jaw dropping - jaw droppingly stupid, that is.
Keep trying, all. You’re only proving my point.
“Only doing jobs Americans don’t want to do!” Sound familiar?
<blockquote>PB:
You can have any horses ass opinion you want to have. You can hate anybody you wish. My only point was that it’s stupid and ignorant to believe that a billion Muslims want to kill you or are culpable or practice an evil religion.
We in the rational world call that “stereotyping.”
And yes, I am indeed morally superior to someone who believes that kind of idiocy. I am also smarter, more knowledgeable about the world, and probably better looking although that last may not be true.
That clear things up for ya?</blockquote>
I’m a bit baffled by your debating technique, Rick. Blanket insults, name calling and childish baiting? Hypocritical and counter productive, no? I still don’t see you educating the poor, ignorant, bigoted masses with your worldly knowledge.
You have -zero- credibility and you still lack a valid argument.
Have fun getting angry, trolling and thinking you are superior, though.
The point of my little rant was simple. If people keep up this stereotyping of Muslims, this ridiculous overgeneralization which leads to hateful speech (reflecting badly on this site), they will be banned. Several already have been and I will be especially vigilant about you going too far. And I wasn’t calling you a horses ass I was referring to your opinions. Please read what I write rather just making stuff up.
Rick Moran
Rick, I do not understand your method of discussion. You disagree with my assessment of Islam. That’s fair enough. Now, I can point to parts of the Qur’an that support my stand on Islam. Can you do the same?
Point me to where it says be kind to those who are different to the infidels. Go on. What is this “true” Muslim teaching you are so familiar with?
I grew up in Malaysia. It’s a Muslim country, quite often billed as one of the most progressive Muslim countries around. However, I know first hand what kind of oppression people hand out in the name of Islam, even in a country where slightly more than 50% are Muslim. But then, why should you believe some anonymous schmuck on the interweb. Find yourself a Malaysian-born Chinese and ask them to tell you what life is like in “boleh land”.
It’s a sign that you’ve seceded the argument when you resort to name calling. Then again, I shouldn’t be surprised by the defeatist attitude you and your kind exhibit.
And I could dig out 500 quotes from the Bible showing Christianity to be the most violent, sexually deviant religion on earth. Don’t play that game - it won’t wash. Taking anything out of context doesn’t prove anything except your willingness to believe whatever you wish.
Please see my comment below PB’s post. My tolerance for this kind of overgeneralized nonsense is not inexhaustible.
Rick Moran
Personal threat? Not very professional of you, a moderator, to wait with bated breath to play member whack-a-mole. At least you admitted it, though, so you get some respect for being forthright in your discrimination, however inexcusable it may be.
Happy 4th of July.
Rick, you’re the “moderator” here? Funny. Now, about “horse’s ass” opinions, your BFF MM refers to Islam as the “Religion of Perpetual Outrage”. That sounds to me like condemnation. Do you agree with her? If you do not agree with her, would you characterize that as a “horse’s ass” opinion? Well no, if you thought that, she might not ask you to “moderate.”
I am not an expert on Islam, but you infer that you are, so, what are your credentials? And no one asked to to display your knowledge by taking anything out of context. In fact, in-context would be nice. But give us facts if you want to impress us that you know more than we do.
As far as moderator, please do not threaten to censure those with whom you disagree. It seems immoderate.
And I bet you cannot.
With statements like that, it is extremely disappointing to find out that the person who speaks ill of the Bible in such a manner has been entrusted with moderating the posts here. Is there some difference I am not aware of in Ms. Malkin’s public comments versus her private views? It just seems strange to me that someone who took the controversial position on internment would not tolerate much more moderate views expressed in this comment thread.
I for one was highly offended by the above referenced comment regarding the Bible. Anyone trying to defend their view of islam by trashing the Bible is lacking in character, maturity and substance.
Mr. Moran’s views, his open threats and use of perjoritive terms to describe people with whom he does not agree, do not reflect highly on this site.
Rick, no one is taking the Qur’an out of context. If you were familiar with the Qur’an, you’d know the issue about context and the Qur’an.
You can’t argue the point, so you have to resort to editing my post? Wonderful. If there are posts here that should be edited or deleted, they should be yours.
I have not touched one word of your writing. Not one. This makes you a liar in addition to being a bigot.
And I am familiar enough with the Koran to know that you and Ayatollah Khamenei have something in common; you can both interpret it any way you choose in order to prove your point.
RM
<p>@60</p>
<p>It is a sad state of affairs when the so called “troll” in the forum are more civil and willing to engage in meaningful discussion than the so-called “moderator”. </p>
<p>The point is, if you disagree with somebody, you argue the point with them. As it is, there has been zero substance to Rick’s posts. He talks about Martin Luther yet demonstrates a lack of understanding about pre and post Reformation Europe. Then he insults people by calling them names, though I suppose the term Ayatollah could be a compliment coming from him. </p>
<p>As for your 500 verses of the Bible, I sincerely doubt that. This yet again demonstrates your severe lack of understanding between the differences of the Bible and the Qur’an, not about the content but about how the two books are put together.</p>
How can you argue with idiocy? How can you argue with ignorance and hate? The only thing you can do is point your finger and laugh.
Rick Moran
More Muslim doctors on the loose.
More name calling from the supposed “moderator” on these comments. I shall save my breath as you are ignorant and stubborn. However, I will take your advice and point and laugh at your idiocy.
By the way, you are editing the posts are you not? Why can’t you reply in the proper manner and post a comment in response to other comments? Why the sudden change in approach by adding stuff to people’s comments? Is it because your posts thus far have been more trollish in nature than that the “trolls”? So much so that you need to exert your moderator’s privileges to show people “Hey, I’m a moderator. Ooooh, you better watch it or I’ll ban ya.”
You call others a bigot, yet you sir are the only bigot I see on these forums. It is always the self-proclaimed tolerants who cannot tolerate different views.
Sad to report that the investigations of the UK terror plot are starting to show a strong Bangalore connection, where I currently reside as an expat from US. Although my assignment is ending next month. Please see my full article at The Jungle Report.
Hey Rick, what part was I wrong on Muhammed? The murder he did, or the rape? I read he liked to take things that were not his too. What did you read?
Did you know allah is a false moon god Rick?
Ignorance is bliss, eh leatherneck?
Funny how most of the rest of the world would see your hate filled idiocies as the product of an unbalanced mind. Christ, even Spencer wouldn’t say that Allah is a moon god.
Look it up Rick before you type your lies.
Allah is a false moon god, and only one of many false gods worshiped in the middle east thousands of years before Mohammed, as well as during Mohammed’s adult life of murder, and piliage. You can not rewrite history Rick.