In the mental no-jihad zone
Diana West has the must-read column of the day on the pathetic inability of Westerners to call the war and the warriors who want infidels beheaded what they are. Too many of our political and military leaders here and across the pond are stuck, Diana writes, in a “mental no-jihad zone.” Case in point:
Objecting to a recent column characterizing his views as being non-comprehending or indifferent to jihad, Lt. Col. David Kilcullen, senior counterinsurgency adviser to our forces in Iraq, wondered in an e-mail whether I “may not like Muslims, and that’s your choice.” It was a long e-mail — one of several — but even these few words convey the viewpoint, increasingly prevalent, that discounts the doctrinal centrality of Islam to jihad violence convulsing the world, from Iraq to London. In the mental no-jihad zone (and, in Lt. Col. Kilcullen’s case, despite what he calls his “significant personal body count of terrorists and insurgents killed or captured”), only personal animus can explain alarm over the Islamic institution of jihad (let alone dhimmitude). “Alternatively,” he wrote, “you may think Islam contains illiberal and dangerous tendencies.”
I may think? I do think “tendencies” such as jihad and dhimmitude. “Again,” he said, “you’re entitled to that view.”
“That view” is increasingly absent at the top, where Islam itself is politically and strategically beside the point. Consider current military thought, as expressed by Lt. Col. Kilcullen: Typical terrorists, he wrote, are “driven by fundamentally non-religious motivational factors.” I wonder which non-religious motivational factors inspired Glasgow’s terror-docs to scream “Allah, Allah” while ramming a flaming car into the airport.
Of course, it gets worse. Debate now divides the Pentagon over a new lexicon for Centcom. At stake is the Islamic term “jihad” itself, which could become officially verboten within the ranks of the fighting force that is actually supposed to defeat it.
This might leave us speechless, but it better not shut us up.
Stifling dissent is precisely the mission of the likes of CAIR, which has chosen veteran syndicated columnist and radio commentator Cal Thomas as its latest target (via WTOP):
Recent remarks from WTOP commentator Cal Thomas have sparked controversy in the Muslim-American community. Now, an Islamic advocacy group is responding to Thomas’ commentary.
In his weekly commentary on WTOP Radio Monday, Cal Thomas discussed the recent thwarted terror attacks in the United Kingdom.
“How much longer should we allow people from certain lands, with certain beliefs to come to Britain and America and build their mosques, teach hate, and plot to kill us?” Thomas asked. “OK, let’s have the required disclaimer: Not all Muslims from the Middle East and southeast Asia want to kill us, but those who do blend in with those who don’t. Would anyone tolerate a slow-spreading cancer because it wasn’t fast-spreading? Probably not. You’d want it removed.”
Thomas’ commentary prompted the Council on American-Islamic Relations to urge its supporters to contact WTOP and voice their concerns. WTOP received many calls and emails from both sides.
On Wednesday, WTOP invited Ibrahim Hooper, a CAIR spokesperson and Cal Thomas, to separately respond to Thomas’ previous comments.
In his response, Hooper said Thomas’ comments undermined CAIR’s effort to promote mutual understanding and social justice.
“For him, I would imagine that his next step is the expulsion of the Muslim-American community,” Hooper said.
I’d settle for keeping the jihad enablers and sympathizers at CAIR out of White House events. But we can’t even ensure that. Steve Emerson reports this morning:
The White House has admitted to a senior government official that it did not vet the audience members in attendance at President Bush’s speech last week at the Islamic Center of Washington, D.C., despite having been warned of the potential presence of individuals who might have triggered national security concerns.
An informed source has told me that the White House was completely unaware that a Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) representative would be present at President Bush’s speech last week for the rededication ceremony of the Islamic Center of Washington, D.C., and, in fact, had no idea who the mosque leaders had invited to the event, basically surrendering the vetting process to the Islamic Center, a Saudi-funded institution with a documented history (pdf) of extremism and anti-Semitism.
Further, the source told me, “We desperately need to know what radical Islamists are doing in this country” and he was “shocked and surprised to learn that the White House would not take greater care of who was vetted to this event,” adding, “this was not your typical Rotary Club invitation.” The source told me that a White House official said that it does not vet all attendees at events to which the President is invited to speak, and the Islamic Center ceremony was no exception. Additionally, the White House was warned by a senior government official that it was making a huge national security error in not vetting those in attendance at the mosque. A White House liaison has told me in the past that CAIR has been barred from attending White House events on national security grounds.
And on cue, CAIR is playing up spokesman Ibrahim Hooper’s attendance at the speech and taking full advantage of its presence to insinuate itself into the President’s agenda.
Our own White House: in the mental no-jihad zone.
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Radical Islamic terrorists! There I said it. Forward this to Washington.
Russian President Putin put it best when he said “Why don’t you just invite Osama Bin Laden to the White House and ask him what he wants, so that you can give it to him.” This is the kind of crap that could make us loose the War on Terror.
jose
It’s all just so bloody depressing.
Will we ever learn? How many times do we have to fall into the same pothole before we fill it in?
What do you mean “we,” kemosabe?
Kidding aside, “we” do see. We see and hear what’s going on. The problem is those in power are either cowardly, or they’re so arrogant that they think radical Islamists are in fact no threat to us, or for the religiously minded, our leaders are being blinded and blocked from responding in order to fulfill a plan.
Either way, we need to continue speaking and writing to protect ourselves no matter what our “elites” do.
First of all CAIR is a nothing entity. Cal Thomas is one of the dew that sees what is happening and discusses it. We have too many ‘wimps’ in this world that just cannot call a spade, a spade. I do blame this on the ‘feminization’ of men over the last 35-40 years and I am sick of it. Men forgot how to be men. Women want power just as much but only as long as they have the men under control. “Sensitivity” is prevalent in everything these days. Lets get back to the real world folks and call them as we see them.
First rule in war: Know your enemy.
What will make us lose the war on terror is all of these cut and runners emerging from our own party. They must be stomped out like a cancer.
Hold their feet to the fire Michelle. Doolittle called it a quagmire today!
“I don’t want to keep having our people dying on the front lines. I am increasingly convinced that we never are going to succeed in actually ending people dying (in Iraq). I think it’s going to be a constant conflict … and if that is going to happen … it needs to be the Iraqis dying and not the Americans.”—Do-little.
It has been like a broken record on the internet.
How many times we talked about political correctness?
How many times we talked about the state of denial the West is living in?
How many times we talked about the cancer that is living among us, invading us with the help of third columnists, exploiting our system of government to eventually control us and impose its barbaric beliefs on us?
How many times we talked about excising that cancer if we want to survive and preserve our way of life?
How many times we talked about outlawing and arresting the members of CAIR, that Islamic terrorist organization that is working with the approval of the U.S. government on American soil?
How many times we talked about the Saudis and other Arabs and Islamic nations that are funding terrorism and how many times we talked about the complicity of the U.S. government that is supporting those regimes?
How many times?
How many times? …
Add all what you want… We already talked about it.
We are ahead of the U.S. government and any commentator.
We have talked about all of the above.
We, the people recognize the problem and we know what to do about it.
But, alas, we didn’t do anything yet to solve the problem.
We let the traitors in Washington D.C. deal with it. Yet they do not give a damn about the people.
Their only objective is POWER.
They would kiss your butt so you vote for them.
And once in power, they start amassing more power and more money and then you get the middle finger.
It is time for the people to stop talking and start acting.
Only the American people can save America from her enemies, not a rotten power-corrupt, traitor politician who is ready to sell his country for those who pay more.
One wonders why the radical Islamic terrorists came to the grand ol’ USA in the first place if they hate absolutely every mother-loving-thing we stand for. Oh, that’s right, the Koran instructs to seek out their enemies and destroy them. And what did we do? Oh that’s right: we stand for God, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
I think this is a political problem that will be with us for a long time. And it’s not just a question of PC concerns although surely that has something to do with the failure of western leaders to even begin to come to grips with the problem.
We are so used to the idea of compromise here in the west that our enemies have turned that strength - and a strength it surely is when you’re talking about governing diverse populations democratically - into a millstone that they seek to place around our necks in order to drown us.
The problem as we all know is that you can’t compromise with the violent form of jihad that dominates in the Muslim world today. Even though the vast majority of Muslims do not countenance nor practice violence, those that do have so successfully cowed the rest that it becomes impossible to separate those who would do us harm from those who want nothing to do with terrorism.
I see it on this website constantly - this inability to separate true Islam from the jihadists. Our western leaders have given up trying because those Muslims who purport to speak for the masses attempt to piggyback their political agenda on the back of publicity generated by the terrorists.
CAIR are experts at this as are other so-called “moderate” Muslim groups in Europe. This is an incredibly dangerous game being played by the “moderates” because all it will take is one huge terrorist attack - a nuke exploded in London or New York - and the backlash against them would be enormous. But in the meantime, they flourish thanks to a combination of western guilt and our hesitancy to condemn 1 billion people for the actions of a few.
Perhaps it will eventually come to simply lumping all Muslims into the jihad camp in order to defeat the terrorists. I would hope that wouldn’t happen. But unless some of the more moderate, influential clerics find the courage to confront their violent co-religionists over their subverting and twisting Islamic teachings (yes - even about “jihad” which after all has many different meanings to Muslims), I fear the backlash against all Muslims will only make matters worse in the end and draw out the conflict we are in.
I have some conflicted feelings about this post, because I mainly agree with the sentiments of Diana West about jihad in our public discourse, but I also have been reading up on Dr. David Kilcullen, and his explanation of the new strategy in Iraq is quite compelling, and the strategy seems to be working so far.
The Sunni tribes have realised that U.S. troops are not the devilish conquerers that they thought, and have turned on the savages of Al Queda in Iraq. We are exploiting the fruits of the failed strategy of AQI, since they destroy and murder everything they touch, including their co-religionists.
Michel Yon is in the thick of the battle, and his reports confirm this is happening. I just wish more people would hear what he is saying.
While I think Diana West is right about too much PC in our dealings with the GWOT, Dr. David Kilcullen is someone who knows what he is doing. He’s the COIN advisor to General Petraeus. He has experience with this topic as an Australian Army officer that served in East Timor, among other assignments. He wrote a compelling post at the Small Wars Journal about the new strategy Gen. Petraeus is implementing.
Michelle & ScottG: Remember, “we” put the powerful and clueless ones IN their places of power. “We” keep re-electing Kennedy, Biden, Reid, Pelosi, et al! How Massachusetts can keep re-electing Kennedy is astounding. “We” put the Clintons in the Whitehouse. TWICE. And may do it again. Um. Somethings wrong. Apparently, enough “clueless” Americans are going to the polls and casting votes putting more “clueless ones” in power. Do we need another stun-gunning 9/11 to wake us up? I dearly hope and pray not. But it may take just that.
Now I’m spastically submitting posts before I’m done writing them. Sorry about the disjointedness, but the Michel Yon and SWJ links were what I wanted to get in here.
I have seen Diana West on C-SPAN several times, and she’s a good thinker on these topics, but jumping all over Dr. Killcullen might have been a little premature. His response seemed a little testy, as well. Hey folks, we’re all on the same team here.
And that very basic right of humans, all humans is a huge problem for many in islam.
Reading Ayaan Hirsi Ali’s book it is truly astounding the absolute in-equality of all people throughout muslim countries. None are equal, from birth. Each tribe, each clan ,each family tree has it’s ‘place’ in society. Even the lowest wretched beings of allah ‘believers’ are higher than any infidel. (even a rock can tell on us, “come kill the infidel behind me” it says…this from a rock.)
Islam teaches nothing but un-equality, no liberty for any, no pursuit of happiness, only the pursuit of a raging pedophile madman from 1400 years ago.
Nothing else matters. They hate, and refuse to trust, nearly every human being on the planet that is not of their own clan, muslims included. Madrassah learning is all most of them know and it is pure islamic superiority hate.
Like ChiefRZ said, if our leaders and our society don’t understand this important and basic evil thread of islamic fabric, we are going to get hurt, badly and repeatedly.
Imagine if you were taught green was red, yellow was blue for the first 12 years of your life. It would be your reality, wrong but real to you. Islam wont change, we must face it and beat it back.
Now I know why they (Muslims) don’t, won’t , trust even each other.
Yet for some reason, way too many infidels do.
Here is that link to the post by Dr.David Killcullen called Understanding Current Operations in Iraq
Col. Austin Bay interviewed Dr.Kilcullen and here is his blogpost about it, with link to audio of interview. It’s good.
Key excerpts:
We have changed course in Iraq. I just wish our jelly-spined politicians would recognize this.
Speaking of Centcom:
As far as I know, our non-Muslim military personnel are still required to don clean, white gloves in order to handle a Gitmo Muslim detainee’s taxpayer provided copy of the Qur’an.
In Islam, infidels (being unclean) are not permitted to touch an Arabic (read: official) copy of a Qur’an.
Our political and military leadership have imposed that odious Muslim belief–in a clear First Ammendment violation–upon the very American military personnel assigned to guard those who would kill them in accordance with that ‘oh, so special book’. Of course, the same brain-dead thinkers have included non-Arabic copies of Qur’an in this ignorant policy.
Relevant email responses from Senator Feinstein and Congressman Dolittle–rather than recognizing the absurdly of this policy–attempted to justify it.
Of course, neither of them would have to comply with such an edict.
Stupidity compounds itself with every re-election and with far too many flag rank promotions.
Sounds to me like Gen. Petraues is on the right track with this, and it’s already yielding positive results if people would only look.
That’s the problem. I don’t vote for those who either hate our country or want to increase the range and scope of government. But I’m only one vote compared to thousands who are quite willing to trade a vote for a hogshead and a pair of shoes.
As I’ve said elsewhere, until people are more interested in politics instead of their beer, sports, and pornography, we’ll continue to get those who sell their birthright for a mess of pottage.
I can plainly see why people hate politics. The filth spewed to damage your opponent cheapens politics in the eyes of those who only pay attention around election time.
That’s why someone as openly evil as HRC can be considered a serious candidate to lead our country. If people would pay attention to her activities for the past twenty years you will see someone whose thrust has been to take power no matter what she must do.
It’s going to be a long hard slog to get people to pay attention to what happens politically and notice that if you don’t participate you still suffer the consequences of other’s actions and votes.
If I never hear the words muslim and Islam ever again, it’ll be fine with me. Who else is sick of it? Here’s my dream…Let’s expel all alien muslims from our soil, actually let’s expel all non-citizens until we get a handle on our immigration issues…at least it’s a start. Next part of my dream, split Iraq into three countries (sunni, shite, Kurd), pick stong men to run each new Iraq, just make sure we can control them, and remove our folks from all those countries. Bomb the Iranian nuclear factility, Bomb Syria and then tell the rest of the arab countries that we will continue bombing any country that supports or harbors any terrorists (this includes Fatah and Hamas). Kick the U.N. out of the U.S….stop all foreign aid. Oh yeah..one more thing..send a death squad down to South America and kill Chavez. I know, I know…I’m dreaming, but don’t wake me up.
I thought I might add about the vetting of attendance. Bush has visited here in Shreveport several times. We are virtually in his backyard and many people in the area are personel friends. Yet anyone who attended these functions was veted. Maybe it is the same logic as at the airport security, cause everyone who is not a Muslim to have a considerable amount of inconvience and loss of rights except the true enemy.
EU tells Britain: “Don’t say ‘Muslims’”
From dhimmiwatch.
WHO The Fxxx DO THEY THINK ARE THE DIVISIVE ONES!!!
And I don’t Cuss, but this is too much for me. Way T.F. too much to ask.
On 9/12, President Bush opted for business as usual instead of putting the country on a war footing. What is a war footing? Look at World War II. President Roosevelt got Congress to issue a real declaration of war instead of some half-baked resolution. Roosevelt called for vigilance and shared sacrifice. That meant a draft and military build up financed by the issue of war bonds. That meant civil defense (now called homeland security) being everybody’s job. That meant rationing and excess profits taxes. That meant mobilizing the media and Hollywood for the war effort. Roosevelt’s war powers enabled him to do that.
Bush, on the other hand, has tried to insulate from the reality that radical Islam has declared war on us. No calls for shared sacrifice. No mobilization. No military build up, not even to the level of the first Gulf War. No gasoline rationing, even though even a loose and liberal regimen would administer a shock to the system sufficient to curb the staggering price increases we’ve had to put up with and deprive jihadis of significant income. And now, even a refusal to honestly identify who the enemy is.
Instead, we have Bush’s daddy and Bill Clinton making frequent business trips to the Gulf and the great patriots of Halliburton relocating their headquarters to Dubai. Enough is enough!
Typical terrorists, he wrote, are “driven by fundamentally non-religious motivational factors.”
Only partially correct. I submit to you that the seemingly “non-religious motivational factors” are actually religious in nature. Specifically, our freedom.
Bush told us after 9/11 that the terrorists hate us because of our freedoms and our free society. On the surface, that seems to be non-religious. But dig deeper and ask yourself “Why would they hate our freedoms and free society?” Answer: Because it runs contrary to their…Bueller?…religion!
In America, you are free to engage in virtually any sinful behavior you like that doesn’t infringe on anyone else’s right to life, liberty, or property: fornication, adultery, pole dancing, homosexuality, worshiping any God (or being atheist/agnostic), getting drunk, or whatever else you want to do. In short, America allows you the freedom to damn your soul to Hell if you so choose. That kind of freedom CANNOT be tolerated in Islam.
So I’m sorry, Lt. Col. Kilcullen, but you’re wrong: the Islamic terrorists are indeed driven by religious motivating factors. Their loathing of our society is based on their religion, and nothing more or less.
“But none so blind as he that will not see.” Heylin, P. “Examen Historicum”, 1659.
Denial and associated stupidy have been around for a long, long time.
So, shooter, to sum up, the radical Islamic terrorists are dumber than rocks?
Oh well, guess I was too optimistic, nobody is interested in Gen. Petraeus and his new way forward in Iraq. Let’s just throw the whole country into government controlled rationing! That will teach those jihadis! While we’re at it, let’s reinstate the draft that no one wants, to ensure everyone is “sacrificing”. Let’s force Halliburton to return their headquarters so we can tax them out of existance! Tax, tax, tax. What a war winning strategy.
I am sick and tired of those Westerners who try to find excuses to justify the “peacefulness” of the Islamic cult and what they are calling: the “moderate Muslims.”
First of all, Islam is founded on mass-murder, this is just for starters.
Muhammad was a mass-murder, racist, anti-Jews and anti-Christians.
Without mass-murder there wouldn’t have been any Islam. And this also just for starters.
This is History. It’s a fact. Even the Muslims admit it. It’s in their Koran and history books. Of course, for them, Muhammad is an angel, not a criminal.
Secondly, there is no such thing as a “moderate Muslim.” This is an oxymoron.
There is a DEVOUT Muslim and a Non-Devout Muslim.
The devout Muslim is the Muslim who practices his or her cult: praying, pilgrimage, etc… and Jihad, as ordered by Muhammad.
A non-devout Muslim will not do many of the above.
The non-devout Muslim is NOT considered a true Muslim among his “brothers.” They considered him or her a heretic, an atheist, a secular, a kaffir (infidel).
So, for the Westerners who like to think that non-violent Muslims are “moderate,” stop being delusional, they are not moderate, they just didn’t take their cult seriously, they didn’t fully practice it yet.
Let me put it in other words:
The “moderate” Muslims are like a time bomb. Got it?
Either you defuse it before it blows up and destroys you and your country or you let it grow until it ripes, becomes more dangerous, and explodes.
Let the “moderate Muslims” flourish in your country, keep on defending them, and consequently, they will take over, behead you and your body parts and those of your compatriots will be picked up by the Islamic Red Crescent to be fed to the pigs.
Thank God for Diana West and Cal Thomas!
The so-called moderate muslims are a much bigger threat than the jihadists. They are taking over countries from the inside out . One by one in Europe. State by state here .
Terror does not work. Everyone still goes about their daily life.
Our on laws are being used against us to give more and more muslims power here. Rep. Ellison in Minn. swore in on the koran. You self appointed defenders of muslims should read up on sharia law before you learn the hard way.Wake Up .
Interesting, to me at least, is that the Nation of Islam, Farrakhan and his ilk seem to have quietly faded into the woodwork - but they are still around in numbers. One wonders which side of the fence they live on, and how much their Black makeup influences the Democratic Party
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Let me get this straight… you logged onto Michelle Malkin’s Blog. One of the strongest women in the United States of America and blamed WOMEN for the stupidity of a group of MEN, including the POTUS, for not being able to understand the Jihad concept.
Oh wait.. no… to be totally clear I believe you blamed us for the fact that men are wimps. And our political power is why the word Jihad may no longer be used.
Have I got all that right?
Why don’t you take your misogynist butt elsewhere? I’m bloody tired of being blamed for the mess liberals have made of this society because I am a woman. My husband, the Marine, is NOT a wimp. Perhaps you need to look at your own relationships if you can’t handle a real woman. And keep your personal issues with women out of the political realm.
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Now, back to the issue at hand… the apparent inability of people to accept the Jihad as a reality in today’s life.
In part I think it’s part of our very culture. Right, wrong or indifferent this country was founded by Christians. The Puritans were so strict that England drove them out to the Netherlands, eventually they decided to leave Europe entirely and settle in the New World.
But here’s the thing.. “Turn the other cheek.” “Do undo others as you would have them do unto you.” These things have been part of our earliest social fabric. The Mayflower Compact.. the establishment of JUST and EQUAL laws. People WANT to believe that if you are nice that others will be nice back.
The hate engendered by the Muslim religion is so totally foreign to these basically decent people that they just don’t get it. It’s like trying to explain the problems inherent in Einstein’s theory of relativity to your average 5 year old. Or worse.. speaking to me in Mandarin.. I am so horrible at languages. But the point is that they don’t understand the Jihadist concept. So they will deny it exists rather than upset their whole world as they know it.
They just don’t see that it doesn’t matter how ‘nice’ we are to them. Islam doesn’t want ‘nice’. They want dhimnitude. They want to conquer not coexist.
So, sitting back and letting them be is the worst possible idea. Because the whole time that the coexist crowd is planning their little love and understanding workshops the Jihadis will be planning our demise.
Yesterday, July 5th, I was on Ft Belvoir. I had the pleasure of chatting with a few of our young soldiers.
Quite disheartening was one conversation with a young medical specialist. He had trouble sleeping the night before (July 4th) due to the fireworks. He claimed they reminded him of trying to sleep in Fallajah.
He bitterly complained about the people that were trying to run the war, people with little understanding (the media, congress) and the falsification of details and lack of support. His parting comment cut deep:
“I hate those expletives that are trying to run this war, almost as much as I hate those expletives that killed my friends in Fallajah”
My friends, we must band toghether and show our support for our troops. Not only lip service, but donations of time and energy. This is important, get involved, please
There is alot of Political Correct crap happening right under the Presidents nose,in the white house.
When talking about these undocumented Moslems, or unspecified bombers, I’m reminded of JK Rowlings’ “they who must not be named.” So, in the future maybe we can just call them voldemorts and thereby prevent hurt feelings on the part of these primitive peoples.
Make up your mind, Rick. In the other thread you were angry at anyone who had criticism of Islam based on the acts of Islamic extremists, yet you acknowledge the blurring of lines between the moderates and extremists that makes the good nearly indistinguishable from the bad.
I don’t think many people believe that -all- Muslims must be wiped from the face of the planet. However, if the practitioners of “true” Islam (as you put it) continue to let extremists define the effective meaning of the religion for the world, a backlash is what you will get. When enough human beings are slaughtered in the name of Islam (extremist or otherwise), the world will stop playing with semantics and PC attitudes.
When I deployed to the frontier of Afghanistan (near the PK border) I saw a population whose sole guiding principle was Islam…everything else was secondary. They live in what can only be considered truly primitive, insulated and barbaric conditions. True, you had those who practiced peacefully and those who tried to kill us in the name of Islam at every chance they got. The common denominator between the two sides (peaceful and extremist) was the belief that we, the Americans, were fundamentally expendable for being infidels. They welcomed the security, materials and health care we brought to the area, but even the majority of peaceful Muslims had no fundamentally religious problem with their extremist counterparts killing Americans as long as the violence didn’t impact their way of life.
I left Afghanistan with a new understanding of Islam as a religion and many of the villagers (and our Muslim TERPS) were outstanding people. However, I also left with the understanding that even in its most peaceful form, there was no place for infidels like me to co-exist in their religious view of an ideal world. Therein lies the problem for Western civilization.
With PC entering the GWOT, we’re signing our own death warrant.
Liberals have fixed us but good. We need to figure out who started this PC madness and perform a lynching.
According to Wiki:
What the hell???? How’d they get in there then?
Keep up your excellent exposé, Michelle! We, the People, depend on you!
The global war on terror demands that we resist cowards like Lugar and Domenici and the other surrender monkeys who are defecting. This quote from today: “Domenici described to reporters the pleading tone he hears in phone calls with grieving families. He told of an exchange with one father, whom he quoted as saying: ‘I’m asking you if you couldn’t do a little extra, a little more, to see if you can’t get the troops back. Mine is dead, but I would surely hope that you would listen to me and try to get the rest of them back sooner.’”
We need to fight this propaganda.
Friday greetings Mrs. Malkin and loyal community. Reference PBoilermaker #37 “The common denominator between the two sides (peaceful and extremist) was the belief that we, the Americans, were fundamentally expendable for being infidels. They welcomed the security, materials and health care we brought to the area, but even the majority of peaceful Muslims had no fundamentally religious problem with their extremist counterparts killing Americans as long as the violence didn’t impact their way of life.
I left Afghanistan with a new understanding of Islam as a religion and many of the villagers (and our Muslim TERPS) were outstanding people. However, I also left with the understanding that even in its most peaceful form, there was no place for infidels like me to co-exist in their religious view of an ideal world. Therein lies the problem for Western civilization.”
This seems a well-considered view, and many thanks also for your service.
Gen. Honore said it best “stuck on stupid”
Unfortunatly it will take another 9/11 to wake up America, and it’s coming, sooner rather than later I expect. It;s a lode of garbage that the Secret Service didn’t know who was on the guest list, those guys don’t take any chances with the Presidents life ,and if you believe they do your crazy. It was more ass kissing by Bush to CAIR. I don’t know what that guy’s thinking.
Having been a conservative, a Republican, and a believer in capitalism all my life, I regret to say that I think the stab-in-the-back to the American people is being delivered by BUSINESS.
Sure, the crazy left wrote the script of political correctness, open borders, one world order and all the rest, but it would just be hot air if it were not for the support of business.
As we all just observed, business from giant corporations to the pizza shop down your street are all eager to sellout America to get some cheap workers.
But immigration is just one piece of it. Muslims can not be offended — our immediate topic — because they are potential customers. This is true of IBM, and it is true of the blow-drys at your local television station. These TV people are not going to report anything that is not good for business. You will not hear, for example, that half or more of the African-American community is a cesspool of social pathology breeding criminals faster than the cops can hope to lock them up. But the coverage you are going to get from local TV, is a fluff piece on Kwanzaa and a continuous celebration of black history month. This is because the TV station is all about making their sponsors happy, puffing up the community, and not offending customers.
Similarly, if the local TV station accidently discovered that bombs were being manufactured in the local mosque, you can bet your butt that the focus of their coverage would be how shocked and upset the local Islamic community is. Hey, they are customers.
I am picking on the TV stations but the point is about business and the business of business is definitely not the defense of America. Business is the force driving political correctness and keeping the people pacified while the country is being dismantled.
I have no solution. I do not have a socialist bone in my body. And if anybody could do worse than business, it would be the government.
Armand Hammer was a vision of the future. Our country is being run by people like him. Bush is surrounded by these people. He wouldn’t know a treat to America if it kicked him in the butt.
So the crazy left is going to try to impeach him. Who cares?
I can’t believe that someone would suggest that extremist muslim violence is not motivated by religion. The muslim religion provides justification and reward for killing non-muslims. I don’t think suicide bombers are killing themselves because they got a bad grade in school or lost a job. I might not be an expert, but it may be because they are prompted to kill by “religious” leaders.
Killcullen is a moron that refuses to learn anything about Islam so that he may have plausible denialbility. He is a plotitician and therefore a liability in this war.
A true, devout Muslim is a Muslim in the mold of Bin Laden.
Like it or not, the fact of the matter, Bin Laden and his people and all those who follow his steps are the real, true, devout Muslims. This is the real Islam pure and simple as described, as planned, as ordered by Muhammad, the founder of that bloody cult.
To say otherwise is living in the Twilight Zone.
Face it, you Islam and Muslims apologists.
Stop deluding yourselves!
As I have read Kilcullen’s writings in multiple places, I think his point is that religion is generally not the real motivation behind an insurgency. It may be the tool that is used to recruit insurgents, but ultimately the insurgent leader is fighting for the same things that every other insurgent has fought for - power, control, whatever you want to call it. Religion, as used by the insurgents in this case, does make it harder to fight against them - as they rationalize their actions with their constituents using religious symbols, which makes their young men all the more willing to die. The problem with how the conflict is described is this - jihad supposedly means struggle, not holy war. More importantly, one could hardly describe the warfare being waged by extremist insurgents as holy anyway. Hirabah, or unholy war, is more like it. Using the word jihad - which is a religious word, and therefore a religious symbol, adds to the legitimacy of the actions taken by jihadis. That is the reason that many want to strike jihad from the lexicon, because it adds to the legitimacy, and thus power, of the insurgent’s struggle. What we need to do is ridicule the religious nature of the struggle and show it for what it is - evil, unholy, and akin to every other death-dealing crackpot cult out there.
From the Stromata blog last year:
Hirabah: this word, which is derived from the Arabic root which refers to war or combat, means sinful warfare, warfare contrary to Islamic law. There is ample legal justification for applying this term to Islamic totalitarian terrorists and no moral ambiguity in its connotation. We should describe the Islamic totalitarian movement as the global hirabah, not the global jihad.
Mufsid (moofsid): this word refers to an evil or corrupt person; the plural is mufsidun. We call our enemies mufsidun, not jihadis, for two reasons. Again, there is no moral ambiguity and the specific denotation of corruption carries enormous weight in most of the Islamic world.
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No. We are NOT all on the same team.
Would that we WERE!
But we are NOT.
Unfortunately, some are very determined to make sure we do not win this war - because, well, it just wouldn’t be fair, you see.
And unfortunately, most who are NOT on our side are not naive, as many would like to suppose. They are in fact, rigidly determined, but devious in nature.
So we do need to get smart. And we need to get a lot more direct.
We need to decide how determined we are to win.
Some are willing to sit back and lose, if it means that by winning, they have to get a little cranky and lose a bit of their Sunday manners.
Maybe they need to see some of the forensic photos of the work of some of those illegal alien muslim rape gangs that operate in western neighborhoods in Europe, England, and Australia.
@Pboilermaker
As someone who has lived a majority of his life in a Muslim country, I agree with what you’ve said.
Can’t be bothered to elaborate further, since I’ll just be called an Ayatollah and a bigot >.>
Most Muslim are not terrorists, but MOST terrorists are Muslim. Gee, that wasn’t hard to understand.
What’s fascinating to me about this debate is the lack of interest in MOTIVE of these jihadists.
For every other crime committed one primary aspect of understanding and reporting the crime (especially murder) is ‘motive’. It is amazing to me that in the face of the killers’ words and the ideology that they ascribe to the MOTIVE is obvious. But that motive can’t be mentioned because it would ‘offend’.
Islam is a cancer. I believe in freedom of religion and certainly don’t expect to FORCE people to believe the Christianity I believe (because I know I could be wrong though I don’t believe I am). However, if a religion is based on the belief that all other religions must be forcibly subdued and are inferior, then that religion must be banned - even in a society with freedom of religion. Not banned out of ‘hate’, but banned out of defense and security of freedom and liberty of the society.
It isn’t the people that are a problem (that would be ‘hate’), it is the ideology. The ideology is the motive. So it should be fair game to report as such and include that RELIGION is the motive of these criminals.
Islam is a religion. Islamists are individuals who practice an extreme hardline version of Islam. Islamicide is the act of Islamists carrying out terrorist attacks in support of their fundamentalist version of Islam.
How in the world can Western civilization ever defeat an enemy that they refuse to properly identify? It is not a “War on Terror.” Terror is a tactic, not a target. It is a global war with radical Islamic fundamentalists. It is a war against an extremist form of religion, against a belief, against an ideology. The attackers believe they are fighting a jihad, or armed struggle, against any and all infidels. The West needs to wake up and realize that and quit playing the political correctness game.
To neglect to mention these very basic things completely ignores the driving force behind the terrorists themselves. It is pure whitewashing and ignoring the root causes. It is fear and pandering and nothing more.
Keep up the great work, Michelle.
Ok here we go, I’m going to make this short and sweet.
Cair is a terrorist organization, why are we even allowing them a presence in America? Think they are not? Think again.
http://www.anti-cair-net.org/
Islam is not a Religion of Peace, it never was and never will be. Think otherwise? Better think again.
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Prophet_of_Doom_Prologue.Islam
Anyone willing to allow this “Mental No-Jihad Zone” cr@p to in any way shape or form influence their thinking should under no circumstances be allow to set or implement US strategy tactics or policy. To allow such is quite simply suicidal.
I concur.
PC is ubiquitous and self-destructive and un-American as it stifles free speech in many important areas, such as chamberpot immigration.
I think if we were honest, however, it is primarily blacks, Latinos, and Jews who are protected by PC.
I think if we were not afraid of being pilloried as anti-semitic, the Jewish neocons who fomented the Iraq fiasco would get their proper butt-reaming. Which country has their first loyalty?