The impeachment drive gains steam Update Bush denies Congress access to aides
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Update 7/9 10:42am: The latest volley in the battle over executive privilege…
President Bush invoked executive privilege Monday to deny requests by Congress for testimony from two former aides in connection with the firings of federal prosecutors. The White House, however, did offer again to make former counsel Harriet Miers and one-time political director Sara Taylor available for private, off-the-record interviews.
In a letter to the heads of the House and Senate Judiciary panels, White House counsel Fred Fielding insisted that Bush was acting in good faith and refused lawmakers’ demand that the president explain the basis for invoking the privilege. The latest move in the separation of powers fight between the legislative and executive branches came as members of Congress began returning from their Fourth of July recess. An atmosphere of high tension accompanied the resumption of work as a fight also loomed there between majority Democrats and some key Republicans and Bush over his Iraq war policy.
In his letter regarding subpoenas the Judiciary panels issued, Fielding said, “The president feels compelled to assert executive privilege with respect to the testimony sought from Sara M. Taylor and Harriet E. Miers.” “You may be assured that the president’s assertion here comports with prior practices in similar contexts, and that it has been appropriately documented,” the letter said.
Fielding was responding to a 10 a.m. EDT deadline set by the Democratic chairmen, Sen. Patrick Leahy of Vermont and Rep. John Conyers of Michigan, for the White House to explain [its] privilege claim, prove that the president personally invoked it and provide logs of which documents were being withheld. As expected, Fielding refused to comply.
Update 7/9 9:34am: Congress returns, ready to battle Bush
Update: Cindy Sheehan returns: “Cindy Sheehan, the soldier’s mother who galvanized the anti-war movement, said Sunday that she plans to run against House Speaker Nancy Pelosi unless she introduces articles of impeachment against President Bush in the next two weeks.”
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First, a flashback. Remember this headline:
Democrats Won’t Try To Impeach President
By Charles Babington
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, May 12, 2006; Page A06Seeking to choke off a Republican rallying cry, the House’s top Democrat has told colleagues that the party will not seek to impeach President Bush even if it gains control of the House in November’s elections, her office said last night.
And remember this one:
A Democrat-controlled House wouldn’t impeach, Pelosi says
House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi of San Francisco has told her caucus that the idea of impeaching President Bush isn’t in the cards if the party takes over the House in November’s elections.
Pelosi, who Republicans have charged intends to lead an impeachment effort, dismissed the idea when she spoke Wednesday morning at a closed-door caucus of the House’s 201 Democrats. Pelosi also restated her opposition to the idea of censuring Bush over his decision to invade Iraq in March 2003.
“We want oversight and checks and balances,” Pelosi spokesman Brendan Daly said she told the caucus. “That certainly isn’t being done in this Congress (under Republican control). Impeachment was never her interest.”
Promises, promises. Let’s fast-forward:
MoveOn Puts Impeachment Back on the Table
Poll: Impeachment talk gains steam after Libby move
Blacked Out by the Corporate Media, Impeachment Advances
US Rep. Johnson Joins 10 Others on Cheney Impeachment Bill
Impeachment pied piper John Conyers, enraged by President Bush’s commutation of Scooter Libby’s prison sentence, will hold hearings next week to examine presidential pardons. (He’s come along way from those make-believe hearings in 2005.) Make no mistake: Conyer’s tilling the political soil for his impeachment drive:
“Yes, we’re going to review all of them, including Clinton’s, Bush one, Bush two, we’ll go back as far as they want,” Rep. John Conyers, D-Mich., said in an exclusive interview with FOX News Radio. Conyers added that the Nixon pardon would also be covered in the review.
“We’ll be doing the research. We won’t need to review each and every one of them but the whole idea is to examine to what use this part of our criminal law is being put and whether it’s being used adequately or are there other changes necessary,” he said.
Conyers said he doesn’t think President Bush acted outside his constitutional authority in commuting Libby’s 2 1/2-year prison sentence, but he questions the use of that authority.
Those who can, govern. Those who can’t, “question authority.” If there was any doubt before, there is no more doubt now: The nutroots Congress is ascendant. Nancy Pelosi’s true colors will show.
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“We’ll be doing the research. We won’t need to review each and every one of them” Translation’ We will just push aside the 140 Clinton pardons because we dont have that much time.
Don’t impeachment processes take a long time?
Clinton’s took the better part of a year, so are they going to attempt to impeach Bush and Cheney right before the Nov. 2008 election?
Even three months in office is too long for [shudder] President Pelosi. Imagine the damage they could do with her in the White House.
The Democrats continue to cry wolf; over, and, over, and over. Eventually, their whining will grate upon the electorate. Give them enough rope and the will surley hang themselves.
The Democrats are going down the wrong road (the low road). Impeachment proceedings will bury them for 2008. I say: bring it on and lower the Democrat party back to the minority status they so richly deserve.
Democrats are a prime example why idiots shouldn’t be in charge. They make Bush look like a member of Mensa.
Can anybody tell me what the Democrat controlled Congress has actually accomplished? Besides lower approval ratings than Bush.
Please, Please, Pretty Please Pelosi and Reid please start the Impeachment. It will all but guarantee a Republican landslide in ‘08.
Only good thing about liberals is eventually they will die.
I’m with George on this one. The lust for power by those hateful, vengeful democrats is no longer any surprise. Their hate will be their political doom.
Somebody wants to get re elected they think this is what their constituents want to hear. How many months has this administration left 16? I can’t believe someone thinks wasting time and money on something that isn’t gonna happen is going to help them get re elected…more likely they are trying to appease the leftist, the socialist, that have crept into the Democrat Party.
I do wonder now what the Percentage inside the Big Tent Party is actually Socialist? Mrs Sheehan on her blog was equating Socialism to the Democrat Party. I think she knows there is a difference, they just want to blur the line. The Donkey is lousy with these communing fleas.
You know, I’m really tired of the spite-you hang-you mentality among elected officials. I get enough of that from my all-Dem family (save traitor me). Conyers and his ilk are basically race hustlers who know how to harvest hate and socialism among the gullible toward their own vain PR ends — one to simply zing and bury Bush then burp over a Coors. Look, if you hate a guy you didn’t vote for so much then hang him for a felony not a misdemeanor. Don’t go impeachment rabid just because you don’t like what he says to friends or his _policies_ which most legislators have to endorse. Don’t exaggerate the evil. I puked knowing how Clinton stained the White House carpet and patronizingly lied to the world on camera, but I (and most conservatives I know) didn’t run around drooling foam calling him a Hitler and that he does junior high girls on the side. If you want your peeved bum out then grit your teeth and wait till the next election. This seething hate thing REALLY gets to me! It’s not a good example of democracy for the kids who are damn confused enough.
James Greenidge
Queens NY
The Democrats had a chance with the last election to really do something productive with themselves, and they have pretty much blown it. I’m not much of a fan of the Democrat party, or the nutbags who constitute it, but I don’t have a problem with them coming into power once in a while (this is a democratic republic, right, that’s how things work). They obviously did last Nov. 2006, and all they’ve done since then is prove they’re still not worthy of holding office. The Dems have proven once again that they have an almost childish understanding of government, law, and economics.
I truly believe they’re in for an even ruder awakening than the one the Republican party received last November. The only thing keeping the Democrat party afloat right now is Hillary/Bill and Obama. Come election time, that won’t even enough. Oh well. They had their chance and squandered it. As a conservative, I won’t shed too many tears for the liberals. (And if Hillary does manage to win and become president, God forbid, then hopefully we’ll have Congress back in our pocket once more and that’ll temper her more outlandish impulses.)
I firmly believe that if Pelosi was next in line the impeachment process would already have begun. She must despise Cheney just a little bit more than Bush .
Even if it got through the House it would still have to go before the Senate and the Chief Justice so what exactly would have been the criminal act ?
I would go with allowing a foreign army to invade our soil with no resistance . Not protecting Americans against this army or allowing them to protect themselves. If that is not treason what is ?
I always said that I would never speak out against a sitting President no matter how much I disagreed with his actions . Even Carter . But when Bush tried to push shamnesty through , by-passing normal procedures , that was it for me. He has put the lives of the American people at risk and continues to do so even now.
I give the benefit of doubt to most people when it comes to statements such as this, but, either Conyers is ignorant of the basic tenets of logic or he is ignorant of the history of the Presidency in our country. To claim the president has the authority, but should not use that authority is a statement so profoundly cognatively dissonent that one must conclude that he is just ignorant to logic.
I would write this off as just another political ploy to try to weaken the Presidency, but I think he actually believes what he said is profound.
I honestly don’t know what to say about the current level of behavior from the Democrats. They now control the Senate and the House, but are abusing that control by investigating because they can’t legislate, or won’t legislate. Their behavior reminds me of spoiled chidren who can’t get their way because of big bad George Bush. Their only goal is to destroy the Presidency and Vice-Presidency. What kind of people have been elected to Congress? This is what their constituents want?
Ever since FDR the Democrats have had a basic agenda composed of:
1. Implement massive social domestic tax-and-spend policies
2. Pander to bloc votes created by 1 in order to
3. Make the US a one-party system
If you understand this, you understand all of their bizarre actions.
Ket’s face the facts. Nothing in the political realm will change unless WE, the voters, kick every one of the bozos out of Congress.
Conyers is a shrewd buffoon. He is also a Muslim/IslamoFascist sympathizer with Hezbollah infiltrators as part of his CONstituency.
Impeaching the Commander in Chief during war time would have been unthinkable during the Civil War (Lincoln), World War 1 (Wilson), WW2 (Roosevelt), Korea (Truman), Nam (Johnson).
But now, an IslamoFascist sympathizer is rattling his doodle about impeaching President Bush.
The Justice Department should investigate Conyers acceptance of political contributions from Islamic organizations with ties to Hezbollah.
And then fry his butt.
I think this is a calculated move. Look for impeachment hearings starting sometime next year. This makes no sense because they hate the Vice President, even more. They would like Hugo Chavez as President, so they could truly silence all their opponents.
Bush should have been impeached when is declared “If they can cross Rio Grande’, we’ll take em’.
A silly question: how is the expense to taxpayers justified when hearings and investigatiions are conducted into matters over which Congress has no authority?
The President is afforded by the Constitution the exclusive power to grant reprieves and pardons .. nowhere does it say the Congress may question, debate, investigate, or hold hearings on any such reprieves or pardons.
Both houses of this Congress would be well served by taking a day off from the nonsense they are promoting, and having someone with a loud, clear speaking voice read out loud the words which begin with “We the People”
Thats a brilliant analysis of the situation in our country right now.
You can’t fix stupid. But you have to realize that it is our own fault. The American people put the Dems back in charge in congress. We have no one to blame for Pelosi and Reed, but ourselves.
I wonder when Conyers will investigate a Congressman for using his campaign staff as baby sitters and chauffers, in direct violation of regulations.
The Defeatocrats are just following orders from their high leader, ie George Soros. You can get advance warning on the issues at moveon.org, Soros’ marching orders site. Take any issue posted and shortly the Dems will be pushing it. An unelected Billionaire has more sway with the party than the voters.
Money buys congressional votes. Anytime a PR legislative conflicts arise such as Shamnesty, the traffic in the DC area becomes overly unbearable (normally it just unbearable:-). There are more lobby & action group personnel involved than there are government workers involved. Our elected officials vote the money, not our concerns. The exception was shamnesty, a rude awakening for some, others just did not get the message.
My personal experience with members of congress, regardless of how they are portrayed in public, is they are rude, uninformed, power hungry and abusive. You have to wonder when Mr/Ms environmentalist calls people to the hill to explain why we will not allow, or make exceptions for, their consitituent (Mr moneybags) to violate every pollution safety regulation in existence just so he/she can undersell their product and increase their profit margins. This is a standard routine.
The bottom line is stop electing millionaire attorneys to congress. They haven’t seen a law yet they couldn’t bend, twist, violate, manipulate, etc. to their benefit (not ours). They love to spend our money violating the very laws they took an oath to proctect.
How about doing the job that is in the job description of Congress. Hateful mongerers. Maybe we should get the ‘illegal aliens’ in Congress. They will do the job Americans (Congress) will not do.
This is Kafka-esque. Pelosi and friends are instigating a show trial, and they have everything in place except the actual crime.
They are counting on the American public to accept slogans in lieu of clearly articulated, specific charges.
This might be yet another time when America has to push back hard, against the perpetual adolescents who call themselves our leaders.
I am all for Impeachment.
We are coming up on 6 years since September 11th and as our Men and Women are getting hurt and dying in far away lands our President has done nothing to secure our borders. Three of those involved in the Fort Dix plot snuck in via Mexico, kinda makes you wonder how many hundreds more. Bush has failed, plain and simple…..
I was a strong supporter of Bush in both 2000 and 2004. I have observed his failure to capture or (preferably) kill Bin Laden in the last 6 years. I have noted his failure to use the veto power to inhibit runaway pork-barrel spending. I was apalled by his inexplicable effort to appoint Harriet Myers to the Supreme Court. I have reached the conclusion that he is simply unable to face realities in Iraq, which has become a shambles and little more than a shooting gallery where brave American soldiers are the targets. And, most recently, I have watched him enthusiastically push the shamnesty immigration bill.
So, they want to impeach him? Fine. I don’t care anymore.
Just plain stupid.
Did you actually believe those Commie-puke/al-Qeada loving slugs?
A male Cynthia McKinley. They don’t get much dumber.
The first witness the Republicans should call is the person with the most experience in Presidential pardons Bill Clinton and I hope to see a subpoena within days of the opening of this investigation.
No kidding. The Dems are always trying to make the case that the Republican party is run by ‘big oil’ and ‘corporate greed’, but Soros and a hand full of other billionaires (Whose money is all offshore) are bankrolling and controlling the entire Democratic party. The only reason these far left wing loons are even in the national spotlight and on a large national stage is because of Soros billion dollar bank roll. He hasn’t bought his own way into office yet, but his cronies are proping up his socialist agenda and shoving progressive relative morality down the throats of Americans whether the like it or not.
The Democratic Party: A political party for the poor and disenfranchised, that is being dictated and controlled by a man who has more money then God.
This begs a question. After the shamnesty fiasco and numerous others why should we care if they ‘get’ Bush-Cheney-Rove, other than the fact it would give ‘them’ way too much satisfaction?
Just another waste of time, money and energy.
As previously said: You can’t fix stupid. We could, however make a few million phone calls to Conyers’ office suggesting he sponsor a Recall Congress bill. Let’s see how that works out for him.
Its all of Washington that is at fault here. Neither Republican nor Democrat have done anything to secure our boarders. It makes me sick!
They should have militarized the boarder and had it locked down as tight as the Berlin Wall within 48 hours after the attacks of 9/11.
There is no way in hell that in a post 9/11 world we as Americans should stand for our boarder being as porous as it is today. Its a huge liability to homeland security. We should be in an uproar!
I know it will never happen (ACLU), but in a post 9/11 world we need to treat our boarder the same way they treated the Berlin Wall. If you want to be able to truly lay your head down and sleep at night knowing the boarder is secure, then you have to treat anyone trying to run across it as a threat to national security. A physical barrier (i.e a wall), Snipers, land mines, guard dogs, military patrols, and electronic surveillance. Thats how you lock down the boarders and keep America safe from future terrorist attacks.
And don’t call me a bigot, because I am talking about both the Mexico and Canadian boarders here. Lets remember that the attackers on 9/11 got on those planes inside the U.S. and received all of their flight training here as well!
OK. I’ll take the bait. What, other than a total distraction from the real issue of our time –national security– will an impeachment during a war bring.
CASE CLOSED!
One thing - perhaps the only thing - I’ve admired about the donkey party is their self-confidence. But it can be a double-edged sword.
One major problem for Republicans is their political cowardice: even when they’re in the majority, they’re still so afraid of being called names by the donkeys and their media megaphone that they act like they’re in the minority. It was this cowardice, in part, that led to them losing their 12-year majority in Congress.
Donks, on the other hand, have no trouble at all talking and acting like they have a “mandate” when even when they don’t really have one. This, plus a friendly media, allows them to do and say things that cowardly Republicans would never consider doing even with a solid majority.
The trouble for the donks is that their self-confidence easily morphs into chutzpah, and their belief in non-existent “mandates” too often expresses itself through over-reaching.
This goes a long way toward explaining the growing “buyer’s remorse” among the electorate today for what they got in 2006. After all, a Congressional approval rating that’s at its lowest point since such ratings were first tracked more than 30 years ago is an accomplishment of sorts, but not one to be proud of.
But count on the donks to dig themselves even deeper into the hole. The same DC bubble-mentality that left Republicans so tone-deaf and out of touch is a bi-partisan phenomenon, and probably affects donks even worse: because their sycophantic media cheerleaders are too busy trying to cover up for their errors in judgment instead of calling them on their mistakes, which only heightens their sense of detatchment from reality.
Impeach Bush, the lying bastard.
Have you ever seen a fat girl wearing spandex? Its not self confidence; its being out of touch with reality!
I forgot the ?. PIMF
Well, the wingnuts have spoken………and what a compelling argument they make!
It all comes down to one issue: personal responsibility. If you believe in it, conservative values will naturally follow. If not, liberal policies invariably ooze out.
Raging, you are so right - you can’t fix stupid…
Raging…..just a friendly reminder….
“BORDERS”
It amazes me, still, how people think that one person can run the entire country. Our borders are not secure because the Federal government, collectively, has done absolutely nothing to fix the problem.
Yes, personal responsibility, like lying out yellowcake to trick a nation into war.
Yes, personal responsibility, like lying out yellowcake to trick a nation into war.
???
Yeah, I can’t spell to save my life!
AJ-
I think you (and the wingnuts) have hit the nail on the head.
The Republi-spends have proven that they did not get it with the last election, and continue to get it with the war and Shamnesty.
The Dumb-tax-o-crats show us that they do not get it by proclaiming that the election was a mandate for the (NO, it was a mandate against the other guys, lest you forget), and continue to show how stupid they are by banking on tearing this country apart at the Constitution.
Predictions for the next year:
1) The House will hold Impeachment hearings
2) Bush will pull back the troops to appease the House
3) The House will continue hearings to leverage the pressure they have on the President
4) Iraq will collapse. Iran rushes in to “Gain order”, with the assistance of Turkey in the North to suppress (Read: murder) the Kurds
5) Suddenly, as if from nowhere, America will face a multitude (more than one) of attacks both in country and around the world. Congress won’t know what to do, and will rarely hold sessions for fear that they may be targeted.
6) Israel will panic, now facing a hostile Syria, Iran, and Jordan on their borders
7) Turkey will expel the American bases, “for their safety”
8 ) Israel, now alone and surrounded, will strike very, very hard
9) The French will continue to decry that their new President jogs and wears NYPD sweatshirts.
10) The Democrats will propose a new tax on anyone making more that $44,000 to help pay for the “victims of the latest attacks”, while proposing 50,000 more pork projects that have nothing to do with either “victims” nor “attacks”, but do give illegal immigrants more rights and money.
…or am I being too pessimistic here
11) The voting “People”, who by act of Congress consist of only those that do not hold any identity papers of any kind (Reasoning: because we don’t want to scare away voters, so anyone who can prove they should vote is an obvious fraud or attempt to overthrow the election system), elects a carp (NY-D) to serve as President. This ensures a plentiful supply of pond scum for every one.
The DEMONCRAPS are just ticked off that their little “pull the wool over our eyes” venture regarding amnesty didn’t fly.
In retaliation, this is their token of appreciation. They cannot seem to pass one idea that’s worth a crap, so this is what WE PAY THEM TO DO….impeachment process. They must be bored.
I say let’s IMPEACH CONGRESS…oh, we can only DREAM!
Absolute power corrupts absolutely…when would those people learn, specially now with their approval rating lower than the Commander-in-Chief?
They will loose the elections in 2008..hopefully, if they keep this insanity going. Their mudslinging tactics are getting old, it would backfire on them. Just another episode on the donkey movie “Falling Towards Apotheosis”.
Rio
Semper Fi!
crashemt, you make a lot of good points. This whole ‘pull out; never should have been there in the 1st place‘ rhetoric is a load of crap anyway. If we do leave before Iraq can sustain itself, we will be back in there and lose more lives and Billions of dollars more trying to keep Iran and the others from engaging in a catastrophic World War.
Had we not gone into Iraq when we did, we would be there now and facing the same dilemmas anyway but on a grander scale. Do we really believe that we as a country would just sit by and watch as Iraq and Iran engaged in a Nuclear Cold War?????? I think not.
You seem awfully bitter.
How much exactly did you lose when the US Military shut down the “Oil for Food” program? I suppose that your justification, “There was no WMD/Yellowcake”, is good enough for you to sleep at night while your French, Russian, and Democrat friends pocketed billions on the backs and graves of Iraqis who were starving and tortured.
Do you find it hard to call for the “liberation of women, homosexuals, and minorities” in the US, while ignoring the literal holocaust perpetrated against the women(e.g. Rape rooms, female circumcision, repression as the subject of strictly male rule), homosexuals(e.g. public stoning, beheading, and torture chambers in both Iraq and Iran), and the Kurds(minorities who were gassed, attacked, starved all because they didn’t pray to Allah)?
Is that you, Mark Rich?
A large majority of Americans want to pull US forces out of Iraq. A near majority — 46% — thinks Bush should be impeached. Congress is a representative body. Don’t you think those opinions should be represented? These are not fringe views.
Annoying and sad.
So does that mean we can start Impeachment proceedings on Hillary now?
Has the congeess gone MAD?
I ment Congress! orry about the fat fingers:)
Q: Then why have they not pulled the trigger and impeached? They have asked for everyone else’s resignation.
A: b/c its only fringe congressmen that want to impeach Bush. They would never get the votes to get impeachment, and it would be political suicide to try to make the move.
Exit Q: How does the Kool-Aid taste?
The race-hustling jihad-apologists (Ellison, McKinney,etc.) are at it again. What a pathetic bunch of meglomaniacs!
It is amazing how libs NEVER have a real point to make. It never goes beyond “impeach!”, or “(fill in the blank) lied!”. They are truly like small children. It is always someone else’s fault/ responsibility. Even when confronted with facts, nothing changes. We conservatives disagree with Dubya and…we say so! Clinton…untouchable as he never did anything wrong. It is, frankly, very tiresome…
The only hope of pulling this off is failure to enforce Article IV Section 4 of the US Constitution providing the states a Republican form of Government (not an issue unless your state is controlled by Democrats, LOL), and to protect the states against foreign invasion (Bush administration gets a big fat “F” on this one). This would alienate their illegal alien voter base and could possibly result in the Federal Government beginning to protect our borders. Otherwise they don’t have a real crime other than those in their twisted little wet dreams.
This Conyers story strikes me as a tempest in a teapot. Contrary to the implications of this blog post, the linked story doesn’t say word one about impeachment proceedings. Indeed, the notion that these hearings are intended as a secret precursor to impeachment doesn’t even add up. For one thing, it makes little sense to investigate the conduct of past Presidents if the goal is to impeach only the present one. For another, it makes less sense still to concede right off the bat, as Conyers apparently has, that the incumbent has acted within his constitutional prerogative, unless the goal is to amend that prerogative rather than to lay the groundwork for an allegation that the incumbent has committed any offense at all, let alone an impeachable one. The only theory that does make sense is that Conyers is pushing for a constitutional amendment to either abolish or restrict the pardon power. Which, as a member of Congress, he has every right to do.
As even Freud conceded, not everything is a code for something else. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, and sometimes, a protracted series of dull Congressional hearings on a proposed constitutional amendment that won’t go anywhere is just a protracted series of dull Congressional hearings on a proposed constitutional amendment that won’t go anywhere.
For one thing, it makes little sense to investigate the conduct of past Presidents if the goal is to impeach only the present one.
It’s called a “set-up”. We looked at everyone, not just this one, so nobody can accuse us of not being thorough and objective. Now, we can’t do anything about past problems, but that shouldn’t stop us from doing the right thing now! Something like that. Happens all the time…
There’s nothing like being stuck on stupid.
Where is my post???? Odd.
I have lost all faith in Pres Bush especially over Iraq and his allowing Rumsfeld to run the war like McNamara ran Vietnam, over his failures to secure our southern border and his lack of leadership on budgetary constraint. Still, being a weak, ineffectual president isn’t impeachable, otherwise Carter would have been impeached his second week in office. I’m more concerned about the good of the nation rather than politics. I even opposed the impeachment of Bill Clinton. Not because I thought he shouldn’t be impeached, but because the impeachment charges were the equivalent of trying Al Capone for tax evasion because you didn’t have enough proof to arrest him for multiple murders. Removing Clinton from office over such weak charges was bad for the country (especially with Al salivating over the presidency).
The problem with modern democrats is that they hate Bush more than they love their country. I suspect that is part of their allegiance with the jihadists. The jihadists hate America more than they love their own children as indicated by their willingness to strap bombs on 6-year old children. The dems are willing to destroy this nation to get their pound of flesh from Bush and his administration. It is the same irrational, knee-jerk, immature emotional response.
Willingly not securing our borders is an impeachable offense.
Though there certainly is a large percentage of us that dislike the President however, it’s for a wide variety of reasons and none of them impeachable offenses.
What would he be charged with?
Dereliction of duty?
Wiretaps? Turns out they are constitutional.
Liberals of course lied in 04 to be elected, we already know that nothing is beneath them in their venomous drive for control.
We also knew that a Demo congress wouldn’t have a plan to do anything useful so it should be no surprise that the people we already knew to be snakes trying to use the angst created by too many sources to list, not the least of which the President shooting him own self in the foot, repeatedly, in order to gain more power…screw the nation.
The fact that this discussion is even taking place shows the pathetic state our country is in, no matter how you catergorize yourselves. Terrorists are not going to attack us at home. Why would they when they can sit back and watch us destroy ourselves as we are clearly hell bent on doing? The terrorists are smarter than the credit we give them - It’s us that is suffering from collective stupidity.
Aint that the truth
Joe Wilson was hired by the CIA for a fact finding mission. Lets forget about his wife’s involvement for a minuet and consider this. He lied about the who was trying to procure the yellow cake and went public with the false info that he and his wife came up with to embarrass the President. At the very least he is a Felon, but more likely a traitor. Being hired in (good faith) and then knowingly lying about the results, mean what to you?
http://www.slate.com/id/2103795/
Impeachment is a bad idea for many of the reasons cited above. However, I don’t beleive that the country’s founders would agree with the negative implication of questioning authority. Seems an odd comment especially after Americans rose up and shot down their leaders on illegal amnesty.
The handwriting has been on the wall for more than 2 years. And the hysteria being whipped up on the left is really something to behold.
The way they’re talking, you’d think a combination of Hitler, Rasputin, and Quasimodo was in the White House and that the country was a hair’s breadth from dictatorship.
Of course, they’ve been saying this for years. But lately, a desperation has been creeping into their writings that is downright frightening
Taylor Marsh here. Frank Rich here.
And this from a somewhat obscure blogger today echoes many sentiments I’ve been reading on the left lately:
This kind of hysteria is all a set up. It will justify liberals “riding to the rescue” with an impeachment extravaganza. You see, the worse things are, the more heroic liberals will see themselves when they install Pelosi as President. They will actually believe they are saving the country, restoring democracy, and bringing peace to the world.
I’m for impeaching Bush for dereliction of his constitutional responsibility to secure our borders and for his refusal to effect a complete victory in Iraq through brute force. He continues to allow us to exist in a deliberate stalemate in Iraq because he is too caught up in his globalist, politically correct agenda.
I don’t like the idea, however, of the impeachment movement being led by corrupt Democrat politicians who themselves have right neither to hold public office nor to breath American air.
I guess if we can’t get rid of them all, let’s just not get rid of any of them.
Let ‘em impeach him. Honestly.
Come home America, come home, (my insert here) before there is no room left because it has all been given to Mexico (GRIN) Yeah I’ve seen that movie too…I think there is actually a couple of medications on the market for this pinning for the Romantic America ….prozac comes to mind or this blogger could just keep drinking the koolaid….distant wars against fiction and phantoms. I guess he missed old turban head’s latest ultimatium the other day…is this blogger sitting in his parent’s basement, in his or her’s underware typing this out, shooting spitballs out into the internet?
The fact that this discussion is even taking place shows…..WHAT A GREAT THING DEMOCRACY IS! Open debate has occurred since our nation was founded. Thats how we have become the great nation that we are today! We are always going to have disagreement and different points of view. That doesn’t equate to our country being pathetic.
“Terrorists are not going to attack us at home.” Now thats insane! “Those who don’t know history are doomed to repeat it”. “Why would they?” Because they believe that anyone who is not a Muslim is evil, and their ideology tells them that they must destroy the evil in the world at any cost. Wake up…. and get a glimpse of reality!
Wow! Tokyo Rose and Joseph Goebbels couldn’t have done better.
The inability of Congress to act on any important issue and only work on those that are to spite the other tells me that none of them are really worried or concerned about the war, immigration, an infrastructure that is crumbling, diversion of grains to ethenol that has fed this nation rather than domestic drilling/wind power, or the education of our most precious commodity.
The war and immigration have been supported by both parties for different reasons. The Dems have sold out to gain the vote of a whole new group needing welfare and social services. The Repubs sold out to gain cheap labor here and further global economic developement. The lower income and middle class will be destroyed, unions broken, and growth in government programs will cede more power to Washington. It’s a win-win for either party, and all are diversions. To seemingly appear to be working while running for another term in office! Impeachment or any other fluff issue they tackle is to get their photo op and convince the idiots back home they’re doing ~something~.
I’m sorry, JD. You are the reason that I’m scared. The “It will never happen to us” crowd is exactly the mindset we had previous to Oklahoma City, and then again previous to the September 11th attacks.
What is really, really scary is that they attacked us many times before, but the American public (and the American press) largely ignored it, thereby making us dumb (your claim).
Michelle and others have done a great job at showing how we have been infiltrated. That’s not smoke, it’s fire.
Our problem is that we, the American public, allow ourselves to be belittled by those who represent us. We just showed with Shamnesty that Congress can be shamed in to doing the right thing.
We must stay consistent. We must call our Representatives and Senators daily, on all issues. When they ask why we call so frequently, we must remind them that they have lost the public trust, and it is their responsibility to regain the public trust. We must tell them to stop wasting time with 300 investigations, and Impeachment. And when they don’t do their jobs, we must recall, vote out, humiliate, and embarrass our Congress until they get it right.
“Eternal vigilance is required and there have to be people who step up to the plate, who believe in liberty, and who are willing to fight for it.” -Milton Friedman
Bush had the well conceled, amnesty agenda from before the 2000 elections. Then, he conveniently used 9/11 to get re-elected in 2004 with a seemingly patriotic ‘war-on-terror’ agenda. Little did Americans know that the ‘war-on-terror’ was a ‘friends-of-terror’ program, granting further aid and assistance to Saudi Arabia, the father, and Pakistan, the mother of Islamic terror. And as for the amnesty agenda we all know how Bush first invited criminals and then, arm-twisted senators to legitimize them. If that is not abuse of presidency, what is?
Harsh as it may sound, Americans have only themselves to blame for electing, then re-electing, a corrupt traitor. Now the only right thing to do is to impeach ASAP. And for the record, am not a democrat.
general company,
Not sure how you did in reading comprehension but I did not say:
“Yes, personal responsibility, like lying out yellowcake to trick a nation into war.” mangle1 said that…
What I said was :It all comes down to one issue: personal responsibility. If you believe in it, conservative values will naturally follow. If not, liberal policies invariably ooze out.
Raging, you are so right - you can’t fix stupid… mangle1 responded to me…
Heroic liberal? Rick that’s really streching it.
Raging Repub - When the representatives we sent to Washington are more focused on the destruction of one another than on collectively confronting and destroying our enemies, yes it is indeed a pathetic state. My point I suppose wasn’t clear. I’d prefer they focus their energy on winning the war. That we choose sides in their insane debate instead of insisting that they focus and perform their basic function of protecting our country. That may be considered great democracy in action I suppose as we are all free to join in our own self destruction. I prefer we, including Congress, focus on the enemies who want us dead.
crashemt - I am not a member of the it’ll never happen to us crowd. Far from it. The point I guess I didn’t make very well is that we are doing quite well at destroying ourselves from within, the terrorists will not have to bother. Oh, they’ll strike again, but it’ll be after we arrive at our weakest point - which we are nearing.
JWS said: I am sorry, I will be more careful.
And now Cindy Shebiscuit has decided she’s going to run against Pelosi as an independent in 2008 if she doesn’t begin impeachment proceedings by July 23.
Is it just me, or does the sheer looniness of this amuse anyone else?
Serious question:Is there a specific crime or misdeed that Bush is suspected of committing that would warrant impeachment?I’m not up on what offenses are considered impeachable.
You LOST the ELECTION, in spite of CEMETARIES voting DIM.
The figures you cited are lying poll numbers, prolly taken inside a DIM headquarters. The views you reflect are fringe views.
WE ARE NOT ALL LIVING ON MARS and getting news only from MSM with our yearly rations from an earth shuttle.
Dims are lunatic Socialists who would make the USSR Socialists ashamed.
P.S. USSR Socialists made homosexuals disappear in the middle of the night.
Oh, I want to see Pelosi competing with Sheehan for those in San Fransisco who would rather have SHEEHAN representing them! How funny THAT would be!
Good One! Major Kudos and Mega Dittos!
My 2 cents:
Cent 1: Raging Republican said: “Open debate has occurred since our nation was founded.” With all due respect I feel this remark is extremely irresponsible insomuch as it plays into the hands of liberals; I need not remind anyone here of the virtual iron grip the left has had on mainstream media for 40 years. People wonder why the world is going to hell in a handbasket, and the answer is that’s why. Let’s remember - and keep loudly reminding the world - that fair and open debate has been absent from this country for the better part of half a century. This message is important. We can’t maintain any last vestiage of our values in society without it. See: the Fairness Doctorine.
Cent 2: There is another opportunity to press dems into the defensive: it’s clear that this all-out attack on conservatives right out of the gate by the Congress is a demonstration of mens rea: they have nothing to offer and they know it, and so they attack. The question to raise is: “if you’re so confident with your ideas and principles for a better country, now that you’re in power, why not put some of them into action, instead of trying to punish those you feel are in the wrong? If the country needs help as you say, help first, punish later - or at least at the same time.”
So far besides bashing Bush they’ve done nothing more than try to push a disterous immigration bill nobody wants by 70 - 30 against, strip away conservatives last voice in the media and re-name a few post offices. That’s a record easy to attack - and hard to defend.
The impeachment drive gains steam>>an awkward time to have so few friends.
LGM said
“A large majority of Americans want to pull US forces out of Iraq. A near majority — 46% — thinks Bush should be impeached. Congress is a representative body. Don’t you think those opinions should be represented? These are not fringe views.”
Earth-to-LGM reality check:
When 90 percent of the media is giving the liberal view, more or less by their own admission, what do you think people are inclinded to believe? It is a huge testiment to conservative values that as many people still follow them as they do. The very unhappy fact is that in the larger view of this country, where most people aren’t political wonks and they just take away and extrapolate with what they’re given, it’s no surprise that some quasi-absurdist ideas are taking hold when for the last 40 years they’ve been getting 70 - 90 percent liberal spin. Voicing this loudly enough to catch on in the minds of the public is perhaps the one scenario that strikes pure terror into the hearts of liberal politicans and their mouthpieces, and one that needs to be addressed sooner or later. You can see it every time a debate between right and left occurs on TV, where the conservative awaits out the liberal but the liberal interrupts the conservative each and every time a strong point against them starts to rear its ugly head (God bless Michelle for stopping them cold - and example everyone needs to follow). But you have to watch Fox to catch those common moments - such evenly matched exchanges are nowhere else to be seen on television anywhere - it all slants to the left, often to the exclusion of all else.
yes, what you cite are mainstream views, though the insane
idea that 46 percent of Americans want Bush impeached is more far-left, angry, unconscionable propoganda fantasy. Listen to relaxing music, have an intimate moment somehow or find some other way to unwind - people who feel a need to cite such manifestly ridiculous absurdities as fact to destroy a sitting president clearly have some kind of overwhelming personal problem, besides making their side of the political fence look just plain silly/untrustworthy/insane.
Instead of throwing out the mantra of how many would support the impeachment of President Bush - please, someone, tell us the crime? The only possible one I could think of is his failure to enforce border security, thus allowing an invasion and formation of a 5th column within our country.
For a while I thought Pelosi would attempt to impeach both POTUS & VPOTUS placing herself on the throne and cutting off Shrillery as the 1st annointed woman president (assuring Pelosi the nomination). My hunch is that they’ll all just carp away in D.C. until ‘08.
Rick:
“The way they’re talking, you’d think a combination of Hitler, Rasputin, and Quasimodo was in the White House and that the country was a hair’s breadth from dictatorship.”
Nah, Quasimoto was a gentle, tragic soul. I agree on the rest. Could it be, however, that they’re just projecting what they see of themselves into the “enemy”? With such a huge hypocrasy level, it would seem so.
JD- Sorry for misunderstanding. Tracking, and….
Tracking 5×5
Yeah, lets remember that no matter how much you dislike Bush and Cheney, you better pray to God that nothing ever happens to them b/c Pelosi is next in line after those two.
#96 - That’s the only reason I “attempt” to hold my tongue and not get too sidetracked on Bush’s abysmal record on border security. My greatest fear is a candidate coming along that says all the right things and will be this country’s worst nightmare. The major majority of this country are so fed up with the usual reteric they would be elected. I do need every candidate to voice how they actually feel about immigration, the war, etc.. Seems they all have ADHD when it comes to bringing up a subject the voters are really interested. Until the candidates do, my wallet is closed.
Impeachment…
I hope Ms. Speaker Nancy does not bite. Ms. Speaker Cindy surely will
After reading this open debate on our dysfunctional federal government and the stupid megalomaniacs the major parties have foisted on us, I have reached two conclusions. First, eternal vigilance is the price of freedom and, second, a pox on both their houses.
This is nothing more than “I know you are but what am I!” Seriously. The Republicans impeached Clinton and the Democrats were bitter about it. Now they’re trying to impeach Bush in a childish act of revenge.
I don’t like Bush either and his recent CAIR-pandering may make him well-deserving of the honor, but this is beyond childish.
I don’t even know why I turn the news on anymore.
I was hoping Cindy Sheehan would stay the Hell away from everybody.
Oh Boy, beyond the sound barrier again.
There must a barrier of sound between these elected representatives of the people and the words of the people. Is it erected around the beltway like a sound attenuator, a wall to keep non European ideas and sounds out?
It would seem that the main agenda of Pelosi et al is to reverse the will of the electorate.
They waste our time and resources on impeachment because Willy C was impeached, and disgraced. Forget the idea that you can’t embarrass one with no class.
They seem intent on rewriting our history; even modern history. Al Gore had written his concession speech by the time his handlers told him to ’shut up al, we’re not finished counting yet’. This in the spirit of ‘it doesn’t matter who votes, it matters who counts the votes’.
The fact is, the people who hate President Bush, hate Cheney more. So this is another attempt at obfuscation. The real question is what are they trying to do behind this smoke screen?
Were they elected to pursue their agenda or were they elected to further the wishes of their constituents?
The ‘Royals’, (it would seem this includes all within the beltway, even the 4th estate, (or are they now the 5th column)) have decided they know better than us mere unwashed sources of revenue. Didn’t we throw these fools out over two hundred years ago? Who let them back in? Or did they just walk across the ‘border’ unchallenged?
Look at it like this. As long as the likes Conyers are kept busy there are not attending to
runningruining the country. The less congress does the better off we are. Let them look into this and look into that, it will go no where, just waste time.Bush became irrelevant, actually he chose to be a lame duck by his behavior and stupid and/or lack of firm decisions.
Whatever happens to him, it doesn’t matter anymore.
The only thing Bush might be useful for, if he choses to be relevant and if the circumstances allow it (before his term expires), is to pick a Conservative to replace any potential retired Liberal Supreme Court Justice.
Other than that, I really don’t give a damn about Bush. He not only threw himself in History’s trash, but also is dragging the Republican Party with him.
If the Republicans lose the 2008 elections, it will be because of George W. Bush. Because of Iraq, immigration, etc.
People will not forget that Bush was Republican and how the Republican Congress screwed up while in power.
People will be more willing to give the Communists full power than to hand again the White House to a Republican, at least not in the near future.
Of course, I wish the opposite would happen, although I have a lot of reservation about the Republican candidates (including Thompson and Gingrich -although they didn’t officially announce it).
Oh no, Mother Sheehan raises her head once more. I thought she was going away?
Ya know, she can’t be any worse than Pelosi.
Let the Dems impeach and investigate all they want, let them emote and argue and grandstand. They vent their spleen to distract from their impotence.
Let them strut and fret their hours upon the stage. There’s is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and furry, signifying nothing.
In other words… who cares if they do all of this stupid crap, they aren’t actually getting anthing done. The only legislation they have gotten passed is an increase in the minimum wage. They do these things out of pettiness, frustration and a desire to keep their base distracted from the fact that they can’t manage to get anything done.
You got it - the only grounds the Dims have is a driving passion for “Tit for Tat” revenge.
Ugly little twerps. On top of that, with Clinton leading the way, they all abandoned any pretense of self-restraint they ever had. It’s like a stampede of rank idiocy.
May I please add one more:
CONFUSION TO THE ENEMY! AMEN!
“Bring it on!” — George W. Bush!
Actually, assuming that the behavior of the Dims is nothing more than vindictive spleen venting and therefore irrelevent is dangerous thinking. If we were in a political vaccum in which only decisive action counts that might be true, but we live in a world in which perception translates into reality; call it propoganda, whatever you will, but the constant drumbeat of “Republican lawbreakers” constantly shouted by willing accomplices in the media will have tremendous effects on the 08 election, and with the Hillary-monster ready to pounce from the shadows and Pelosi and Reid ready to send her insane legislation to sign - and she will - this substantially effects the world out kids will grow - or not grow - up in. This is not “irrelevent spleen-venting”. This actually is extremely serious to anyone who holds even moderately conservative values.
On the light note, of course, I feel like dancing at the thought of Sheehan challenging Pelosi. With 08 coming up, Pelosi needs to move to the right politically, even in her district, but to keep the base Sheehan will drive her to the left. Now thats fun!
Ugh. Why did Sheehan come back? Didn’t she say she had a family to take care of? One that had been greatly neglected as of late? I knew she would resurface, and living without the attention would be hard, but I thought she would at least wait a little longer.
I just can not figure out how anyone can support a woman who does not even have the intestinal fortitude (or ovaries about her) to defend her fallen son. I read one interview where she argued that her son was “trespassing” when he was killed — implying that the murderers who killed him were just innocent people defending their land. Bull. She makes me want to vomit.
What WE THE PEOPLE need is the one thing we will never get … TERM LIMITS FOR CONGRESS … I figure 12 years in the senate and 8 years in the house is more than enough to qualify as what the founding fathers called “CITIZEN” representation … there was never a thought to someone making a “LIFELONG PROFESSION” of government … would not totally end but would at least lessen the money influence on congressmen if they couldn’t run for the office again after serving the maximum number of years I have suggested … AS for those that like to bring up the Constitution not invoking limits … remember … it also did not place limits on serving in the Presidency …
Why do you defend Bush when he gave us the conservatives and base Republicans the finger? This is the time to show our president our appreciation for doing nothing to further the conservative cause for the last six years.
Hah! Gotcha! Why can’t she? Boxer is worse, so I don’t see why someone else couldn’t be worse too.
Obviously the writer is unaware that that work is being done by Mexicans for cash under the table.