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deepdiver said:
I don’t support harming a person who appears to be Muslim, however, I have every right and justification in being suspicious. I am really tired of the bigot label being thrown out at those of us who want to stay alive and refuse to be sheep led to slaughter when some innocent looking 12 year old girl in a hajib walks into the local grocery store and sets off her bomb because nobody wanted to offend her by being suspicious of her.

Exactly. This is one of the common sense points Michelle is making. Political Correctness will murder many Americans (and others) if we allow it to dictate how we respond.

Good point to expound on and to explain – thanks DDiver, for clearly & succintely cutting through the baloney preoffered by those (e.g. this Islamic woman) who have zero respect for our laws.

In that framework, looking suspiciously at people who look and dress like people who have threatened to kill you for no reason is NOT bigoted, it is self-preservation! The bigotry in that context is not the fault of the threatened but instead the fault of the aggressor. When nearly half of Muslim male youths in this country say that suicide bombings of innocent civilians is sometimes justified, I am damn suspicious of young Muslim males because today may be the day they feel justified. I’d feel a lot different if 90%+ of Muslims openly stated that randomly killing civilians is wrong. I would feel different if 90%+ of Muslims openly protested strapping a suicide bomb on a 6 year old as morally reprehensible. I would feel a heckuva lot different if they loved their children more than they want to see me and my loved ones dead.

I don’t support harming a person who appears to be Muslim, however, I have every right and justification in being suspicious. I am really tired of the bigot label being thrown out at those of us who want to stay alive and refuse to be sheep led to slaughter when some innocent looking 12 year old girl in a hajib walks into the local grocery store and sets off her bomb because nobody wanted to offend her by being suspicious of her.

I HAVE SAID that MM posting this article is relevant to the debate of how Muslim dress fits into Western society, that debating and taking actions against possible issues with Muslim dress in the name of security is not racist and that immigrants (from anywhere to anywhere) should be expected to assimilate to the culture they are choosing to join. I have not suggested that assimilation means erasing all hints of any cultural or religious heritage but I do strongly disagree that someone’s religion should dictate how much they assimilate in a society they are choosing to become a part of (not said by you but I’m cataloging what I have actually posted).

Huggybear, aside from the fact I have not recommended going to the authorities because someone is wearing headphones, I still disagree with you. Public vigilance has already thwarted several plots that were not headed off by government. Frankly it is the only thing the nation has asked of us so far and it truly is the least any of us could do. Will mistakes be made? Yes. Should we stop? No. I also don’t think public vigilance is the culprit for the glazed eyes of a lot of Americans. Those eyes were glazed over long before Islamic terrorism was even an issue.

Muslims trying to conceal anything that has wires

should read:

Muslims in a courtroom trying to conceal anything that has wires

I see where you are coming from and I don’t completely disagree.

However, I think where we aren’t seeing eye to eye is on just what Islamic dress constitutes failure to integrate.

I would say the burka covering everything but the eyes does constitute failure to integrate that is cause for concern, I would say the hajib does not and is on par with Koreans using chopsticks.

It’s amazing you can’t see how Muslim dress being used to hide something as harmless as an mp3 player would also apply to more dangerous things to hide under Muslim dress and how that factors into the current debate on Muslim dress in non-religious places within non-Islamic nations

I see what you are saying, but I would say that Muslims trying to conceal anything that has wires is cause for concern whether they are using a hajib or a hoody or any other form of clothing, Muslim or otherwise. Of course, anyone concealing wires in a courtroom is cause for concern, but since I don’t have a problem with profiling, perhaps one could say a Muslim doing it is cause for a bit more concern.

So, all that said, I think an issue doesn’t really need to be made of a hajib. It is entirely possible, based on what we know, that this woman is an otherwise very integrated woman who might not drink alcohol (probably not a bad thing), might not eat pork, but enjoys the Spice Girls and could possibly wear tight jeans along with her Hajib. She could be just a immature brat.

Now, it could also be that she ISN’T integrated, but if that’s the case, I don’t think the hajib alone would be the issue. It would be an issue, if for example, she supports legislation that ALL Britsh women wear hajibs, but we don’t know she thinks that way.

Anyhow, sorry if I that was long, but I hope I was clear. Take care all.

More to the point, when people cry wolf everytime something like this happens, the public grows more weary of the terror threat, and become less vigilant. You can almost feel the collective eyes of the American people glaze over. When you set that against a backdrop of an administration that regularly exploits our fear of terrorism for political gain [and one which most Americans don't even trust to begin with], you’ve got a recipe for cynicism and complacency – neither of which we can afford in such dangerous times.