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By Michelle Malkin  •  July 14, 2007 10:01 AM

Last month, I did a column comparing the education of children of the West and children of jihad. I mentioned idiotic measures in the British school system to protect children from the terror of having to raise their hand in class and of the introduction of “happiness tests.” Now this:

FURY erupted last night after Sir Winston Churchill was axed from school history lessons.

Britain’s cigar-chomping World War Two PM — famed for his two-finger victory salute — was removed from a list of figures secondary school children must learn about.

Instead they will be taught about “relevant” issues such as global warming and drug dangers. Churchill’s grandson, Tory MP Nicholas Soames, branded the move “total madness.”

The decision to axe Churchill is part of a major shake-up aimed at dragging the national curriculum into the 21st century, it was claimed last night.

But the plan — hatched by advisers — angered schools secretary Ed Balls, who vowed to probe ALL the changes to the curriculum.

The proposals will see traditional timetables torn up, with pupils focusing on modern “relevant” topics such as drug and booze abuse, climate change and GM foods.

Churchill — voted the greatest ever Briton — goes off the required lessons list, along with Hitler, Gandhi, Stalin and Martin Luther King.

There will also be no need to mention the Wars of the Roses, Elizabeth I or Henry VIII.

I concur with Clarice Feldman: “With terrorists stalking the UK and Islamofascism threatening all of the West and its values, I can hardly think of a more stupid move than to replace teaching about Churchill with global warming and GM foods.”

From “Never surrender” to “The sky is falling,” a once-great nation now winces in wartime. I feel tremors from England’s great leaders rolling over in their graves.

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  1. #1
    On July 14th, 2007 at 10:12 am, pickax411 said:

    Never so few did so much to so many, by ensuring that history will be repeated.

  2. #2
    On July 14th, 2007 at 10:13 am, TheCityTroll said:

    Don’t forget they are also adding classes in Arabic and Urdu.

  3. #3
    On July 14th, 2007 at 10:13 am, Jarhead said:

    Get their hat sizes because they all need to be putting on the dunce cap and placed in the corner. Those who do not learn history tend to repeat it… God help us.

  4. #4
    On July 14th, 2007 at 10:15 am, shooter said:

    What is that saying? About History repeating itself?

  5. #5
    On July 14th, 2007 at 10:19 am, zorro said:

    May God help us all. A sad trend, no doubt.

    Seems old hippies don’t fade away, they just continue to teach others how to stick their heads in the ground…

  6. #6
    On July 14th, 2007 at 10:21 am, olsantaroy said:

    There appears to be a considerable number of people (a majority perhaps) who love the feeling of de ja vu so much, that they refuse to face the reality of today’s world terror tsunami.

  7. #7
    On July 14th, 2007 at 10:22 am, skpman15 said:

    I think Forrest Gump’s momma said it best, “Stupid is as stupid does.”

  8. #8
    On July 14th, 2007 at 10:22 am, skpman15 said:

    Maybe these advisers have been listening to Pink Floyd again…”we don’t need no education, we don’t need no thought control…”

  9. #9
    On July 14th, 2007 at 10:28 am, WisCon said:

    At least they have Smeato.

  10. #10
    On July 14th, 2007 at 10:32 am, Craig said:

    Churchill — voted the greatest ever Briton

    And now he has been removed. Mindboggling.

  11. #11
    On July 14th, 2007 at 10:39 am, hadsil said:

    The sparrows have left Capistrano.

    (I think that’s the right metaphor)
    shrug

  12. #12
    On July 14th, 2007 at 10:46 am, Bornin58 said:

    It’s just as bad here in the USA.Reciently in my office we hired a new assistant.A 23 year old woman.During lunch hour one day we were talking about schools these days and I asked her a few questions during this conversation.I asked if they discussed anything about various wars.

    Did they teach you anything about our war of Independence ?………………. Yes.

    About the war of 1812 ? ….. No
    About the Spanish American war …No
    About WWI ? ……………………No
    About the Depression ?……..Just a little.
    About WWII ?………….she said it was something about Germany…. but didnt know much more than that.

    About the Cold War ?……… No

    About the Korean War ?……..She didnt know anything about that at all..Never heard of it.

    About the Vietnam war ?……. No

    About Gulf War I ? …………… YES she watched that on TV.

    And I thought I had recived a poor education in our public system…… it’s even worse today…..Basically the system is run by socialists who are doing a fantastic job of dumbing down our students with PC.

  13. #13
    On July 14th, 2007 at 11:09 am, josetheguerilla said:

    The moonbats and nutroots are futher advanced across the pond. Sad.

  14. #14
    On July 14th, 2007 at 11:10 am, 24Klady said:

    Bornin58, I’m betting the 23 year old could tell you how they taught her to put a condom on a banana?

  15. #15
    On July 14th, 2007 at 11:26 am, Just A Grunt said:

    With everything on the list to be cut just what are they teaching in regards to the history of England? What about the Falklands campaign? Ignoring history can not make it go away. Ignoring anything will not make it go away. It won’t work with Islamo fascism and it won’t work in denying there were ever any wars, which seems to be the real crux of these changes.

  16. #16
    On July 14th, 2007 at 11:26 am, jamesgreenidge said:

    Don’t ask a NYC high school student on the street what is — much less WHERE is West Point! You wouldn’t believe the answers/guesses!

    But folks — we allow this degradation of education to happen as a facet of pop culture! If you really want to cry, check out the junior high/high school based entertainment shows on the Disney and Family Channels. Virtually no history mentions and teachers are portrayed as backward buffoons and the main curriculum seems which boy-hungry “tween” girls wears the coolest fashion.

    Walt Disney — pusher of true education that he was — would roll in his grave.

    James Greenidge
    Queens NY

  17. #17
    On July 14th, 2007 at 11:36 am, Gator70 said:

    The question is: When do we, the average Western Citizen, reach our snapping point? When do we push back? Do we just sit by and let it happen? The far left is vastly outnumbered by the rest of us yet they are constantly allowed to push their educational/social views on us. How does this happen?

  18. #18
    On July 14th, 2007 at 11:55 am, Seth Halpern said:

    Let’s hope that for Britain this is not the beginning of the end, but only the end of the beginning. It would be awful to think that after 1000 years British culture expired with nary a whimper.

  19. #19
    On July 14th, 2007 at 12:19 pm, greenfairie said:

    The Decline And Fall of Western Civilization.

    At least we can homeschool here.

  20. #20
    On July 14th, 2007 at 12:22 pm, Mr_Conservative_Cat said:

    Not to try to make myself out to be any kind of oracle, but I’ve absolutely been waiting for this. Churchill, who inspired a nation to stand up against crushing attacks not just with words, but resolute physical force, just wouldn’t fit into the far left fantasy mantras. They can’t afford for his manifestly proven example of leadership style to clash with their terrified worldview embracing of surrender in the name of “peace”. These dangerously unrealistic people really are becoming infuriating both in their brazen gall as well as their dull predictability.

  21. #21
    On July 14th, 2007 at 12:34 pm, PhillytoDC said:

    The real threat is not from outside but from within. Slowly chipping at the pillars of our Western democracies, liberals will usher in an era of Islamic radicalism as our nations crumble. Then, they will see what intolerance is, at the cost of everything we hold dear.

    What kills me is the power they have to do so. It’s much easier to tear things down than to build them up.

  22. #22
    On July 14th, 2007 at 12:47 pm, FireDrake said:

    What is happening to my second favorite nation? My hope is that the pendulum is about to swing in the other direction.

  23. #23
    On July 14th, 2007 at 12:48 pm, rightisright said:

    Liberals have infiltrated the schools over the last 40 plus yrs…there you have it…but where are the parents?

  24. #24
    On July 14th, 2007 at 1:07 pm, publiuswarmac9999 said:

    I walked down the street in Barcelona, and suddenly discovered a terrible truth - Europe died in Auschwitz.
    We killed six million Jews and replaced them with 20 million Muslims. In Auschwitz we burned a culture, thought, creativity, talent. We destroyed the chosen people, truly chosen, because they produced great and wonderful people who changed the world.
    The contribution of this people is felt in all areas of life: science, art, international trade, and above all, as the conscience of the world. These are the people we burned.
    And under the pretense of tolerance, and because we wanted to prove to ourselves that we were cured of the disease of racism, we opened our gates to 20 million Muslims, who brought us stupidity and ignorance, religious extremism and lack of tolerance, crime and poverty, due to an unwillingness to work and support their families with pride. They have turned our beautiful Spanish cities into the third world, drowning in filth and crime.
    Shut up in the apartments they receive free from the government, they plan the murder and destruction of their naive hosts.
    And thus, in our misery, we have exchanged culture for fanatical hatred, creative skill for destructive skill, intelligence for backwardness and superstition. We have exchanged the pursuit of peace of the Jews of Europe and their talent for hoping for a better future for their children, their determined clinging to life because life is holy, for those who pursue death, for people consumed by the desire for death for themselves and others, for our children and theirs.
    What a terrible mistake was made by miserable Europe. (And what a terrible cost Western civilization is now and will in the future pay for its appeasement and cowardice.)

    The source of the above is presumed to be a Spanish newspaper. Unfortunately, neither the newspaper or the article’s author is actually known probably because of the fear of Islam.

  25. #25
    On July 14th, 2007 at 1:12 pm, Brian72 said:

    “The Few”

    “The gratitude of every home in our island, in our Empire, and indeed throughout the world, except in the abodes of the guilty, goes out to the British airmen who, undaunted by odds, unwearied in their constant challenge and mortal danger, are turning the tide of the world war by their prowess and by their devotion. Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few. ”

    —Tribute to the Royal Air Force, House of Commons, 20 August 1940.

    “Never Surrender”

    “We shall not flag or fail. We shall go on to the end. We shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air. We shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be. We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing-grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills. We shall never surrender!”

    —House of Commons, 4 June 1940, following the evacuation of British and French armies from Dunkirkas the German tide swept through France.

    “Blood, Toil, Tears and Sweat”

    “I would say to the House, as I said to those who have joined this Government, I have nothing to offer but blood, toil, tears and sweat. We have before us an ordeal of the most grievous kind. We have before us many long months of toil and struggle.

    “You ask what is our policy. I will say, it is to wage war with all our might, with all the strength that God can give us, to wage war against a monstrous tyranny never surpassed in the dark, lamentable catalogue of human crime.

    “You ask what is our aim? I can answer in one word: Victory. Victory at all costs. Victory in spite of all terror. Victory however long and hard the road may be. For without victory there is no survival.”

    —First speech as Prime Minister, House of Commons, 13 May 1940.

    This is what they are afraid of. Their own history of victory. They want to replace victory with equality of outcomes. Hopefully the Brits won’t put up with this nonsense.

  26. #26
    On July 14th, 2007 at 1:23 pm, SirKnob said:

    This has been happening for years in our school systems accross the nation. A denial of who we were, what we stood for. An alteration of history. What was once good, is now evil.

    What happened to Thomas Jefferson? He goes from respected American Revolutionary Hero, to a footnote along with Nathan Hale, Paul Revere and a host of other national inspirations. They have been replaced by new, politically correct, heros of liberalism. Our heritage, our history, our struggles and sacrifices, our morals and values have been replaced. Our future generation is being indoctrinated and lied to.

    While we have been busy building a nation, the liberals have taken over education and legal systems. They may be only 14% of our nations population, but they control the media, the congress, the public school systems, major universities and all debates.

    Liberalism is so deeply rooted in our society that only a revolution will unseat it. Sadly, too many of us just try to ignore it and hope it will go away.

    Liberalism, like cancer, must be surgically removed. Otherwise, it will only disappear once it has destroyed its’ host/victum.

  27. #27
    On July 14th, 2007 at 1:30 pm, sheik_rattle_n_roll said:

    And I thought Britain couldn’t sink much lower after refusing to teach the Holocaust in schools to avoid offending Muslim students. I was wrong.

  28. #28
    On July 14th, 2007 at 1:36 pm, purplepeep said:

    publiuswarmac9999
    The source of the above is presumed to be a Spanish newspaper. Unfortunately, neither the newspaper or the article’s author is actually known probably because of the fear of Islam.

    I’m not sure (my Spanish isn’t great), but I believe this may be the original:

    Europa murió en Auschwitz

  29. #29
    On July 14th, 2007 at 1:56 pm, Floyd R. Turbo said:

    Brian72, as always, a great history lesson. May a few good Brits with conservative hearts to fight, rise up and challenge this insanity. As it has been said, “those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it”. Ouch. And the “dhimmitude” is heading our way as Michelle, Debbie Schlussel and others are constantly pointing out, reference their posts of “Dearbornistan” and other places. We must not let it happen to U.S.!
    As a “charter member” BabyBoomer, I’ve always been facinated with WWII history, especially the air war of that period. I visit air museums whenever possible and am fortunate to have a small one here locally, that was at that time a B-24 training base. There is a hanger with aisles of displays of B-24 equipment and photos with stories from crewmembers that trained here and other places. Their stories of experiences in that war are spellbinding and heartrending. Their dedication to the fight has somehow been lost over the generations since. It’s only matched by the dedication of our servicemen and women in the Middle East conflict. Sadly, it’s not matched by very many back here. Too few of us have the fighting attitude our parents and grandparents had during WWII. Sad. We’ve had it too easy…and 9/11 is a faded memory. I pray it won’t take another 9/11 (or more) to wake America out of its complacency.

  30. #30
    On July 14th, 2007 at 2:03 pm, Rod Stanton said:

    Taranto of Best of theWeb had an article about a “Public” school system in the East that was deleting the “Public” from its name and names of all its schools. Because the public has a bad opinion of “public” schools. I think the NEA and other teachers unions have worked very hard the last 50 years to make public schools less than useful.It seems they have reached their goal both here and in other English speaking nations.

  31. #31
    On July 14th, 2007 at 2:21 pm, Brian72 said:

    The whole situation is revolting to me. Most educators today seem to want to teach “peace” more than history. How do they think we have had the peace we’ve had? Through VICTORY!

    Any self-defense by a Capitalist Democracy that resulted in liberating millions of formerly oppressed people completely shatters the leftist “peace” narrative of the last 40 or so years.

    So too does the historical failures of centrally planned socialist political structures. These people don’t look at the Soviet Union as a failed ideology, they see it as not being properly implemented. No one’s feelings can be hurt, unless you are opposed to socialist utopias being forced upon free people, then you’re fair game for all the pressure they can muster.

    If you won’t teach your children the right things, then these “educators” will gladly make your kids newly minted “progressives” neutralizing your values from being passed down to the next generation. So if you want history taught to your kids, better do it yourself.

  32. #32
    On July 14th, 2007 at 2:54 pm, gippergirl said:

    according to anyone “left” of PM Churchill none of those things happened. And on the off-chance it did happen then Hitler was probably misunderstood and a great big hug would have averted the whole mess.

  33. #33
    On July 14th, 2007 at 3:09 pm, 29Victor said:

    Why anyone would trust something as important as their kids education to the State, either in England or in the U.S. is beyond me.

    I just got done teaching my 8 and 9 year olds about the rise & fall of Rome, the birth of Islam (daddy’s version) and the Viking conquests, now we are going to work on the Feudal Era. My kids try to have conversations with the public schooled teenagers at church about the stuff they are learning, but the teenagers never have a clue what they are talking about, but they sure can tell you how Global Warming is killing the polar bears.

    You educate your kids yourself, they will learn about what’s important to you. You send your kids to be educated by the State, they will learn about what is important to the State.

    /off soapbox

  34. #34
    On July 14th, 2007 at 3:12 pm, Roma Invicta said:

    Roman senator, consul and orator Marcus Tullius Cicero once said “To know nothing of what happened before you were born is to remain ever a child.” By striking the names of heroes such as Churchill from the history books, the British school system is creating a generation that will remain eternal children; naive, uninformed, easily manipulated and, ultimately, doomed.

  35. #35
    On July 14th, 2007 at 3:17 pm, graysonret said:

    This is sad. So much has changed since I was a student in Engish schools, though I was an American. We had uniforms, caning and lots of learning. I remember having to memorize all the kings/queens from William I to Elizabeth. At the age of 9, I was learning advance math, Latin and French. Sports was required of all students, even boxing. These kids will learn 1 truth though; Those who forget their history, will repeat it.

  36. #36
    On July 14th, 2007 at 3:19 pm, Cheerio said:

    This quote seems really apt for the times:
    “If you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a small chance of survival. There may even be a worse case: you may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.”
    -WC

  37. #37
    On July 14th, 2007 at 4:19 pm, DesertLover said:

    Rod Stanton

    That was the Philadelphia schools … They claimed they felt the word “public” in the school names conveyed a bad impression of the schools and the education they provided …

    and to paraphrase what Rush said about it … the name on the outside isn’t the problem … it’s what goes on inside the schools that is the problem

  38. #38
    On July 14th, 2007 at 4:26 pm, Dianeces said:

    Does anyone know the name of the highest class the British go to?

    I had saved a link from somewhere that told of how they were dropping the teaching of Western Civ. and how it was born, from the most advanced class, even though more people were interested in taking it now than say 20 years ago.

    After my hard drive fried, I’m having trouble hunting it down.

  39. #39
    On July 14th, 2007 at 5:22 pm, DesertLover said:

    DIANECES

    The UK System is only 10 years for the “required” schooling … ages 5/6 through 16 … so that would be the equivalent of through the Sophomore year of the American system … they can then go to “vocational” or “advanced” schools and college … but those are not required …

  40. #40
    On July 14th, 2007 at 6:08 pm, arkansasmike said:

    In the spirit of across the pond solidarity, let’s all stop telling our kids about George Washington and Abraham Lincoln.
    Or maybe not.

  41. #41
    On July 14th, 2007 at 6:32 pm, greenLibertarian said:

    Global warming is a serious threat to our survival on this planet, along with our population increases and other environment abuses. We simply cannot increase our population and destroy our environment perpetually without serious consequences - eventually fatal consequences.

    However, by not teaching about Churchill and other great leaders, England will lose its soul and eventually fall to the Islamists. How sad that the greatest and most influential country of the last millenium will be destroyed: not by the Nazis or other enemies, but by policial correctness and pulic apathy. I hope we will not follow them down that road.

  42. #42
    On July 14th, 2007 at 7:38 pm, AlturaCt said:

    Bornin58, I’m betting the 23 year old could tell you how they taught her to put a condom on a banana?

    And how it improved her self-esteem!

  43. #43
    On July 14th, 2007 at 7:45 pm, purplepeep said:

    greenLibertarian said:
    Global warming is a serious threat to our survival on this planet

    We didn’t change school curriculum when it’s predecessor hoax, “Global Cooling”, was trendy and all the rage to be panicked about. Nor should we now, greenLibertarian.

  44. #44
    On July 14th, 2007 at 7:55 pm, AlturaCt said:

    The question is: When do we, the average Western Citizen, reach our snapping point? When do we push back? Do we just sit by and let it happen?

    That IS the million dollar question. If we really do care about these things and our posterity we MUST stand up even if it cost something. I’m not so sure any of this can be reversed or changed without true sacrifice. My fear is that we have become a people who really won’t risk much even if it means long term detriment to our children or way of life. It is really hard to tell because this is the first time in 40+ years that there has been any real opposition, at least large scale, to this hellbent Marxist/socialist push in America.

  45. #45
    On July 14th, 2007 at 8:34 pm, greenLibertarian said:

    AlturaCt, you assume that “Global Cooling” correlates to current global warming, which is not the case. Science has advanced since then, and the people that are concerned about warming are not those that were concerned about cooling. I know no rational argument or discussion of empirical evidence of global warming will reach you, because like Rush Limbaugh and others you simply refuse to believe that humankind can damage or destroy the environment - despite the considerable evidence that shows that we can. It is sad that a 50-year-old like me, who has little self-interest in the environment of the future, since I will be dead before the manure really hits the fan, nevertheless does all he can to care for it and preserve it, and many younger people with the most to lose do not care, and will not objectively evaluate the evidence and reasoning behind the concerns of environmentalists. You may dislike some of the messengers, like Al Gore (as do I), you may have a religious-based belief that a deity or deities control the fate of the planet, or simply not want to believe it. I do not want to believe it, but I have followed environmental issues for 30 years and concluded that I must believe it.

    i hope you and others like you will live to see your golden years, and start to live in harmony with the environment that is your life support system. If you destroy it, where will you go?

  46. #46
    On July 14th, 2007 at 8:47 pm, nbarry said:

    It’s time we extended the consumer protection laws to education. Education is the biggest investment of time and the second biggest investment of money we make, yet we get more protection when we purchase a can of dogfood. One way to start is when our authorities levy school taxes. Demand that we either get a quality curriculum or a tax cut.

  47. #47
    On July 14th, 2007 at 8:58 pm, bear1909 said:

    It is being done to bring the English public school curriculum into the 21st century? It’s only 7 years old. Not much to pick around at. And Ed BALLS? lol Are we sure it isn’t NOE? lol

    Here’s the way i see it: it is not long until the same tripe is foisted onto our schools here in the USA. It’s already happening.

    But let it. Consumers will vote with their feet. And we should start a winning movement for school choice. End the government monopolies on pre-, elementary and secondary school education. End it. This is what it has wrought. End it. We have the power to end it. Leave it to the Islamic sympathizers. The tax base of support will wither and it will die. Good riddance.

    Anything that is overused at government expense tends to crumble and become nothing more than a dung pile. Education that is “Free” is not free at all. And the cost of substandard education? Well, we are living it. Public school educated morons are driving the “changes” in public schools.

    Britain will choke for a few more years before the Islamic rot is expunged. History will repeat itself and it will be just as bloody.

    Winnie will come back on t-shirts more popular than Ol Che Guevara himself.

    What goes round tends to turn upside down.

    Enjoying the weather here in Bearland.

    This is Bear1909 from Berkeley California. OUT!

  48. #48
    On July 14th, 2007 at 10:30 pm, Dianeces said:

    I grew up in a city public school and graduated in ‘81. As copied from above about the 23 year old in the office, here is my answers to my years in school. I’m 40 something and playing catch up to these things.

    Did they teach you anything about our war of Independence ?………………. Yes.

    About the war of 1812 ? ….. No

    About the Spanish American war …No

    About WWI ?……only mentioned in passing

    About the Depression ?……Just a little.

    About WWII ?…………Yes, just generalities and never heard about the arab/muslim connection via Arafat’s uncle the Grand Mufti

    About the Cold War ?……… No

    About the Korean War ?…… No

    About the Vietnam war ?…… mentioned but no details. I saw and heard bits on the news and pictures in Life magazine as a small child.

    Public education in this country has been abyssmal for too many decades.

  49. #49
    On July 14th, 2007 at 10:40 pm, purplepeep said:

    greenLibertarian said:
    AlturaCt, you assume that “Global Cooling” correlates to current global warming, which is not the case.

    Hi greenLibertarian -
    You replied to the wrong person’s handle, but that’s no prob.

    GW and GC are related in that they’re both trendy hoaxes. Both had/have their religiously fervent faithful.

    Science has advanced since then, and the people that are concerned about warming are not those that were concerned about cooling.

    Even if that were so, the excuse is meaningless. The same could be said for those who promoted the GC hoax - and for those who held to the geocentric model of the solar system per Aristotle (and so on). To be sure, now as then, most believers were very sincere - albeit not very scientific.

    I know no rational argument or discussion of empirical evidence of global warming will reach you

    Since there is none to argue, I don’t hold that against you.

    because like Rush Limbaugh

    You’re desperately boxing at silly shadows and doing battle with strawmen to avoid confessing the myriad of inherent scientific problems that defy the GW-panic scenerios. But as you said, there is no rational argument to made for GW. I suppose it’s much easier to discuss radio personalities in the absence of any rational, much less scientific, argument.

    It is sad that a 50-year-old like me, who has little self-interest in the environment of the future, since I will be dead before the manure really hits the fan

    Those who proclaimed the sky was falling during the GC hoax thought the very same thing. They’re feelin mighty, mighty embarassed right about now.

    You may dislike some of the messengers, like Al Gore

    Other than him being a goofball, I don’t care much either way about the guy. You”ll really have to build better strawman to knock over, greenLibertarian! But, to be sure, the junk science panic that is “Global Warming” would be an embarassment to Lincoln or Washington. So it’s not the messengers, it’s the badly abused science.

    I have followed environmental issues for 30 years

    i hope you and others like you will live to see your golden years

    Well, I get to pull chronological rank on ya, greenLibertarian. I’ve survived Global Cooling and many other panics.
    (I think there’s at least a few hundred forgotten and abandoned sites still on the internet about how we’re all going perish because of Y2K.)

    If you destroy it, where will you go?

    Same place I went after the Global Cooling Panic.

    You see, greenLibertarian, the bottom line is that the whole GW scare is to dismissed out of hand since it fears and runs from scientific scrutiny. It stands against the scientific method. Even before a soda company puts a new soft drink on the market, it’s torn to threads to see if it holds up. We’re to hold the whole GW panic package to a lesser critique? GW does not allow itself to be subjected to aven the most basic of critique. It is anti-scientific. Those who place their faith in GW - and faith is it’s only basis - live in abject terror of debating it’s merits (or lack thereof) with critical climatologists.

    Now, if the GW hoaxers & pushers really want to panic and feel guily they gotta find some way to retroactively blame people for the end of the last Ice Age!

    And there’s still time to get in on the ground floor of a new panic-trend.

    Forget warming - beware the new ice age.

    Everthing that’s old really is new again.

    BTW, I’m not picking on you - rather on the GW junk science - and I believe you are sincere. But a person can also be sincerely wrong.

  50. #50
    On July 14th, 2007 at 10:53 pm, davidleerothmann said:

    It’s a shame. They’ll need another Churchill very soon, but I doubt they will be able to find a person of such character. The school kids will be very confused that suicide bombers are killing them before global warming could manage to do it. At least it will be ironic.

  51. #51
    On July 14th, 2007 at 11:47 pm, sonnyspats1 said:

    When the BBC comes on PBS and bashes Bush and the USA, they need to be reminded of their own problems. They are like a cancer trying to spread throughout the entire body. Pretty soon they will reach the balls and then it’s going to be show time in the USA!

  52. #52
    On July 14th, 2007 at 11:49 pm, greenLibertarian said:

    purplepeep,

    there is no science in your rebuttal, and you are erroneously comparing the old cooling scare with the warming issue with no basis, which I called the other person on.

    Examples of environmental damage:
    - One foreign poison frog destroying much of Australia’s ecosystem.
    - ~90% of USA’s native forests destroyed, and significant chunk of rainforests destroyed. Where does oxygen come from? Think you can live without it?
    - One lake in African lost nearly all of its native fish to one fish introduced by Europeans.
    - Significant percentage of Barrier Reef dead.
    - Asian cities so polluted that 2/4 times I visited there I came home with a lung infection.

    If you really want the truth, there are many more examples of humans causing significant eco destruction. Problem is, you have no interest in discovering the truth.

  53. #53
    On July 15th, 2007 at 12:32 am, purplepeep said:

    greenLibertarian
    there is no science in your rebuttal

    LOL, greenLibertarian. Yeah, I guess I really should have included rants about radio personalties to make my case.

    But the undeniable nagging core fact still remains that the GW Hoax doesn’t stand up to scientific scrutiny; those who push the hoax refuse to allow it to be scientifically critiqued. Legitmate science welcomes investigation. Why do you suppose GW is terrified of scientific scrutiny?

    Sorry about not being so easily sent off on hysteric guilt trips -

    I suppose many folks need to feel guilty every time time a fish dies or a leaf falls from a tree. I suspect a constant guilty feeling helps some people to feel somehow important in the Grand Scheme O’ Things. e.g. If a person feels responsible for a heatwave, then s/he is a force not to be denied. Of God-like importance in a big world.

    As I said, the real prize would be to feel guilt at being personally responsible for the end of the Ice Age - now that was some global warming! Do you feel guilty for the global warming that caused the end of the Ice Age? If not, why not? Who should we blame?

  54. #54
    On July 15th, 2007 at 4:17 am, Loose Cannon said:

    We have lost two generations to public
    “education” leaving us with a dumbed-down, uncritical base from which to draw our next “teachers”. It’s really hard to be hopeful.

  55. #55
    On July 15th, 2007 at 7:46 am, misterbee241 said:

    It’s already started here what with kids being taught our founding fathers were racist slave holders, our nation is imperialist and genocidal, so why the surprise Britain is following suite?

    Winston Churchill was one of the greatest men who ever lived, who held Britain together in the face of the German assault and this is how he’s repaid.

    Unfortunately, I don’t think there is anything we CAN do about it.

  56. #56
    On July 15th, 2007 at 12:58 pm, uhangtight said:

    purple peep is right, not only is there more science against the GW baloney, but there is historical facts to refute the GW.

    Here is some SCIENCE:Without the impact of solar radiation, the temperature on the earth would be about the same as the temperature of space, which is about -454 F. The amount of radiation reaching the earth is about 1,368 watts per square meter. This is a vast amount of energy, which would require the simultaneous output of 1.7 billion of our largest power plants to match. About 70 percent of this solar energy is absorbed and 30 percent is reflected. However, the amount of solar energy reaching the earth is not constant, but varies in several independent cycles of different degrees of magnitude, which may or may not reinforce each other.

    These cycles include a 100,000-year cycle, which results from the elliptical orbit of the earth around the sun, a 41,000-year (obliquity) cycle, which results from the tilt of the earth on its axis, a 23,000-year cycle which results from “climatic precession” or changes in direction of the earths axis relative to the sun, and an 11-year sunspot cycle, during which solar radiation increases and then declines. The most recent sunspot radiation cycle peaked in the year 2000, and currently is approaching a minimum. Curiously, NASA and the Russian Observatory both report that total solar radiation now has peaked, and all these cycles may be simultaneously in decline.

    Each 100,000-year peak in radiation appears to last about 15,000 to 20,000 years, and each has been coincident with massive surges of carbon dioxide and methane (the green house gasses), into the atmosphere, causing de-glaciation of the Polar and Greenland ice caps.

    Surges of these greenhouse gasses have always been vastly greater than the amounts currently being generated by burning fossil fuels. For example, the most recent 100,000-year cycle raised sea levels 400 feet in the first 10,000 years, but since then sea levels have risen very little. In the current warming period, sea levels are rising only about 3 millimeters per year, and temperatures over the last 100 years have risen a modest 0.6 of a degree C.

    Superimposed on this latest 100,000-year peak have been 6 secondary warming periods, each coincident with additional surges of carbon dioxide and methane, lasting about 200 years and then subsiding. Each of these previous warming periods was warmer than the current warming period, and current temperatures are below the median for the last 3000 years. Most remarkably, civilization first emerged in the Tigris, Euphrates and Nile River Valleys about 3400 B.C. in that period of great warming, and even more remarkably, each of these secondary surges of greenhouse gasses (none of human origin), has also been coincident with the rise of a major civilization.

    For instance, 3,000 years ago in the 1000 B.C. warming period, the Babylonian era emerged. Then, 500 years later, the Greek civilization flourished, followed by the Romans 400 years later. A 1,000-year cold period followed through the dark ages, but then in the very warm 1000 A.D. Medieval Period, the ice and snow melted on Greenland; the Danes farmed there for 200 years, until it froze over again. There are no reports of seaports being flooded during this warm period.
    About 500 years after the Medieval period, another surge of greenhouse gasses initiated the Renaissance, which was followed by an unexplained “Little Ice Age” from about 1600 to about 1750. (This was coincident with the Maunder Solar Radiation Minimum). During this period, Europe was covered with ice and snow, growing seasons were short, and starvation was common. Farmer unrest may have triggered the French Revolution. The most recent warming period began as solar radiation rapidly increased.

    Interestingly, starting about two decades ago (1988), the total increase of greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere has abruptly stopped, in spite of increased burning of fossil fuels.

    The forcing agent for these many previous warming periods over millions of years could not have been of human origin, and the measured volumes of carbon dioxide and methane which were coincident with each warming period, were vastly greater than those currently being produced by humans.

    That is just ’some’ of the science and history that disproves the GW bunk…

    Oh the need for true scientific methodolgy!

  57. #57
    On July 15th, 2007 at 1:34 pm, publiuswarmac9999 said:

    Global Warming is just another Malthusian game played by politicians seeking an issue for self gratification.

    Whenever I hear Gore or some other GW nut talk about scientific consensus I just about throw up. The advance of science is based on discovery and replication of results, not some consensus. Imagine a consensus of scientists saying 1 plus 1 equals 3 — would that make it right???

    Ayn Rand even wrote a book about the problem of consensus as a basis for decision making in the world of the practical. Frankly, there are a large number of instances when the consensus was horribly wrong - try Nobel Prize winner Barbara McClintock for example.

  58. #58
    On July 15th, 2007 at 2:43 pm, graysonret said:

    I don’t know how we ended up discussing global warming, when the subject is British schools… Anyway, as long as there is money to be made, power to be obtained, and people to believe, there will always be a “global warming/cooling” crisis.

  59. #59
    On July 15th, 2007 at 3:23 pm, publiuswarmac9999 said:

    The schools are replacing the history of England with Global Warming propaganda. That is how we ended up discussing global warming. I must concur that the elimination of Winston Churchill from the curriculum should be viewed with horror by the British leadership and public. This is but one step in the eventual loss of Western history - and its replacement with secular multiculturalism or Islamic law under the guise of relevance.

  60. #60
    On July 15th, 2007 at 3:36 pm, progressoverpeace said:

    No thread on Winston Churchill is complete without an excerpt from his book, “The River War (1899)”:

    How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries.

    Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity.

    The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen; all know how to die; but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.

    No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science‹the science against which it had vainly struggled‹the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome.

    Some things never change …

  61. #61
    On July 15th, 2007 at 4:27 pm, petergwynne75 said:

    “MAN-MADE” GLOBAL WARMING IS THE BIGGEST CROCK OF CRAP THAT THE COUNTER CULTURE HAS EVER TRIED TO GET OVER ON THE CONSUMER!!!

  62. #62
    On July 15th, 2007 at 6:54 pm, nbarry said:

    Back in the 1930’s, the British appeased Hitler. Now they are appeasing the jihadis. In looking at the proposed curriculum, this looks like a case of history repeating itself, the first time as tragedy, the second time as farce.

  63. #63
    On July 15th, 2007 at 7:39 pm, Rick Moran said:

    From the perspective of the the moonbats who run the British educational system, Churchill is a huge villian. He was the last of the great British empirists - a man who believed Britain was destined to rule the planet. He was also a big foe of socialism which may have been an even bigger fault.

    But I find it very sad for this reason; I have no doubt that in the next few years, we’ll be fighting a similar battle here, trying to keep our moonbats from consigning the Founding Fathers to the wastebasket. American history will start about 1820 - with the first stirrings of women’s sufferage.

    We’ll be lucky if our future educators will agree to keep Lincoln in the curriculum.

  64. #64
    On July 16th, 2007 at 12:29 am, jonathanjfo said:

    Are there any politicians in Britain with the testicular fortitude to stand up to the jihadist invasion?

  65. #65
    On July 16th, 2007 at 10:34 am, walterc said:

    We’ll be lucky if our future educators will agree to keep Lincoln in the curriculum.

    Your school boards are open to anyone living in the district.

    I would guess that in most elections, the school board races are hardly noticed. We need to make sure our school board members hold the same values as we do.

    If you want your school to teach history as it occured, vote for people that think as you think. If you can’t find any, then run for the position yourself and campaign to let the voters of your district know that their children’s education is at stake.

    All it takes is for each of us to do our part in tkaing back our country.

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