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O’Reilly Factor takes on JetBlue’s sponsorship of nutroots-fest Update: Video links added Update: Calling all Photoshoppers! Update: New JetBlue logo designs

By Michelle Malkin  •  July 16, 2007 05:53 PM

Update 7/17 7:45am Eastern. Answering the Photoshop call, readers have submitted new, nutroots-ified JetBlue logos. Some of my favorites so far:

From reader Mark S.:

jetleft.jpg

From the Pointfive blog…

jetkos.jpg

From reader Curtis…

jetjoe.jpg

From reader Conservative Cat:

jethate.jpg

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JetBlue, the “official airline of the Simpsons,” is now the official airline of the nutroots. I feel a Photoshop contest coming on. Any takers?

Update: O’Reilly on JetBlue video here. My regular segment with Kirsten Powers here (I slipped in my two cents about nutsroots-ification of JetBlue).

Update: Contact JetBlue here.

Update: Soros/JetBlue info.

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Kirsten Powers and I will be talking about the Michael Moore/CNN spat, but don’t miss the rest of The Factor tonight–especially O’Reilly’s challenge to JetBlue over its sponsorship of the upcoming Yearly Kos convention.

Here’s a preview to whet your appetite. It’s a bit of O’Reilly producer Jesse Watters’ exchange with JetBlue CEO David Barger:

WATTERS: On the Daily Kos website, it says attacks against coalition forces in Iraq are legitimate. Does JetBlue subscribe to that kind of thinking?

BARGER: There’s really… politics and our business, it’s not really something that we mix.

WATTERS: Well you guys are sponsoring the Daily Kos’s convention this summer.

BARGER: It’s really not something that we mix from a standpoint of politics. I appreciate your interest in that regard, but it’s really, there’s not alignment.

WATTERS: What about ‘the Pope is a primate,’ do you agree with that kind of thinking?

BARGER: Same, I mean, it’s, from a standpoint of running our business, that’s what we do from an airline perspective, so there’s really not alignment along those lines. I appreciate your interest.

WATTERS: Do you think you’re giving legitimacy to this kind of thinking, I mean, they’re saying the world may be better off without Tony Snow, when Tony Snow had a cancer relapse?

BARGER: It’s, I’m really not going to mix politics from the standpoint of running our business.

WATTERS: But aren’t you guys kind of mixing politics by, you know, sponsoring this convention.

BARGER: It’s… I can see where you’re trying to go with it, but I’m just not going to, you know, to respond to that here at this point in time.

WATTERS: What about ‘people who enlisted in the military after 9/11 were sheep.’?

BARGER: Listen, I think it’s real clear that we’re a significant player in this country, in this city, in this community, and I’m not sure what your agenda is this morning…

WATTERS: I mean, do you think that your JetBlue customers want to know that you’re kind of subscribing to the belief that Iran has the right to attack Israel, I mean, these are the kind of things they’re saying on this website.

BARGER: I’ll just close by saying this. I think our customers are, we’ll treat them with dignity and respect, they’re very smart, they’ll draw their own conclusions, whether it’s watching your news show, whether it’s watching our in-flight television, they’re pretty smart people. They’ll draw their own conclusion.

WATTERS: How about ‘Cheney enjoys killing’?

BARGER: I’m just not going to go there. And so along those lines, there’s not alignment, so, I think you can see that I’m just not going to draw a conclusion, tied into what we’re doing with our business, with where you’re going with your agenda this morning, so, have a good weekend.

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  1. #1
    On July 16th, 2007 at 6:02 pm, DubiousD said:

    Maybe JetBlue should just say “Screw them”?

    Nah… that non-alignment thing again.

  2. #2
    On July 16th, 2007 at 6:03 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    I fly to Haiti - a lot. There is a rumor that JetBlue may start flights there.

    In the immortal words of David Barger “I’m just not going to go there” on JetBlue.

  3. #3
    On July 16th, 2007 at 6:11 pm, John Ansell said:

    I think they should now be called “jet Blue State”.

  4. #4
    On July 16th, 2007 at 6:16 pm, totochi said:

    Due to your sponsorship of the Yearly Kos convention, I do not want anything to do with JetBlue in the future. I would rather pay more for less than to fly with a company that supports radical left hatefests. Please remove all my info and delete my TrueBlue membership.

    http://www.jetblue.com/help/contactus/help_contact_problems.aspx

  5. #5
    On July 16th, 2007 at 6:18 pm, RhymesWithRight said:

    Given the anti-Semitism of the KOS-sacks, I’m not surprised to read this story about JetBlue refusing to employ an observant Jew on the orders of their CEO, Maybe it is a part of their corporate culture.

  6. #6
    On July 16th, 2007 at 6:35 pm, uhangtight said:

    i will definitely not being flying jetblue ever.. because there is no alignment there..

    from what perspective was there no alignment? if you are giving money to sponsor their convention, then you are aligned with them and I will unalign myself with your product/service.

  7. #7
    On July 16th, 2007 at 6:41 pm, PBoilermaker said:

    JetBlue will not get any business from me.

    Why bother trying to spin something like your -sponsorship- of a nutroots group like DKos? Your fly is already unzipped, JetBlue.

    I have even less respect for organizations who align themselves with an extreme political ideology when they try to play it off as non-political.

  8. #8
    On July 16th, 2007 at 6:43 pm, josetheguerilla said:

    Barger sounds like this: They’re very smart, uh very smart, they’ll draw their own conclusions, so there’s really not alignment along those lines…….the horse has no sleeves, is the mud red in Mississippi or Louisiana? I saw a man walking up the stairs…. I saw a man that wasn’t there!!!!!!!!! Blah blah blah blah blah blah. Where’s my tin hat?

  9. #9
    On July 16th, 2007 at 7:11 pm, geminicontender said:

    Is Soros involved in any way with Jet Blue?

  10. #10
    On July 16th, 2007 at 7:17 pm, gayle said:

    Another one bites the dust.

    BlueJet, now BlackballedJet

  11. #11
    On July 16th, 2007 at 7:22 pm, Armigerous said:

    George Soros is a major stockholder in JetBlue….why would anyone be surprised at him boosting the Kossacks?

  12. #12
    On July 16th, 2007 at 7:22 pm, tarpon said:

    Lost another one to the nut roots. No more Jet Blue for me.

  13. #13
    On July 16th, 2007 at 7:33 pm, geminicontender said:

    If you are right Armigerous about Soros’ stockholdings then you know why the CEO of JetBlue is backpeddling with O’Reilly.
    You just have to love MM and the Factor and Hannity and Rush. These people cannot hide anymore.

  14. #14
    On July 16th, 2007 at 7:34 pm, geminicontender said:

    New name for the airline: JetSkew

  15. #15
    On July 16th, 2007 at 7:41 pm, John Ansell said:

    Good one Geminicontender.

  16. #16
    On July 16th, 2007 at 7:44 pm, BerryG said:

    Sounds like Ralph Cramden….ahamina, ahamnia, ahaminia

  17. #17
    On July 16th, 2007 at 7:44 pm, johnv40 said:

    Soros again? WTF??!???

  18. #18
    On July 16th, 2007 at 8:00 pm, dman said:

    plenty of other airlines out there, bye bye jetblue, not another nickle form me!

  19. #19
    On July 16th, 2007 at 8:06 pm, BerryG said:

    I have a feeling after seeing O’Reilley the stock holders will pin him down and make him answer these questions instead of just stammaring.

  20. #20
    On July 16th, 2007 at 8:23 pm, WisCon said:

    Oh man, that CEO has got to be crapping his pants after this came on!

  21. #21
    On July 16th, 2007 at 8:27 pm, Rational Thought said:

    Here’s a bet: JetBlue backs out of its sponsorship by noon tomorrow.

    Just watched O’Reilly’s piece; it was brutal. After JetBlue reads through the thousands of e-mails and listens to the endless voice message, they’ll back out.

    It just doesn’t pay to align yourself with racist, hateful, anti-Semitic groups like DailyKos, you know, unless no one finds out. Well, O’Reilly found out. JetBlue will cave.

  22. #22
    On July 16th, 2007 at 8:31 pm, Kowboy said:

    If Soros is a major stockholder, JetBlue won’t cave. They will however, die a slow death as a company from all of the business lost because of this decision.

  23. #23
    On July 16th, 2007 at 8:53 pm, Cowboy said:

    Isn’t jetblue the airline that left a bunch of passengers, on numerous occasions sitting on the tarmac for hours on hours?

  24. #24
    On July 16th, 2007 at 9:23 pm, Wade said:

    Soros Jet Blue Stock HERE

  25. #25
    On July 16th, 2007 at 9:38 pm, PBoilermaker said:

    Wade, good link.

    Yes, JetBlue IS the airline of the nutroots.

  26. #26
    On July 16th, 2007 at 10:06 pm, wolverine20 said:

    “politics and our business, it’s not really something that we mix.”

    What a load of crap - from JetBlue’s Promotion & Sponsorship page (http://www.jetblue.com/about/promotions/index.html):

    Our goal is to align with partners that have similar brand attributes, provide us with a strong return on investment, and have unique promotional concepts.

  27. #27
    On July 16th, 2007 at 10:12 pm, ajmontana said:

    Hope their aircraft fly better than the CEO speaks……sputter…sputter…sputter….crash.

  28. #28
    On July 16th, 2007 at 10:31 pm, CC said:

    I won’t ever travel on Jet Blue now. Neither will anyone in my large family. You can be sure they’ll look out for the terrorists’ interests and not ours.

  29. #29
    On July 16th, 2007 at 10:42 pm, Mr_Conservative_Cat said:

    A picture is worth a thousand words, and I don’t know how to post under a thousand words, so for brevity, sure, count me in on the PS contest. Expect something soon.

    After all, Nast’s cartoons brought down Boss Tweed, didn’t they?

  30. #30
    On July 16th, 2007 at 10:59 pm, fdr_jr said:

    I doubt JetBlue will lose any sleep over this. They have superior prices and superior service. Most people don’t spend their time figuring out which way a company leans politically when deciding to use their services: it’s quality and price that talk first and foremost. Find me another airline with DirectTV at every fine leather seat, and 150 dollar flights across the country, and then I’ll start worrying about their politics.

    For example, you all know that Google is decidedly pro-left, and yet Michelle has no problem using their AdWords service to make her living (and their email service, too - she could have at least gone with Yahoo! on that one !), and I am sure most of you have no reservations with using their search engine.

    If you are so upset about this, why not start a Malkin Convention and get Delta to sponsor it :-)? (You know Delta leans right, because back when they had Song - their discount airline branch, they had Fox News in the TV lineup; JetBlue, incidentally, doesn’t.)

  31. #31
    On July 16th, 2007 at 11:36 pm, derel3433 said:

    the pope is considered primate of italy.

  32. #32
    On July 17th, 2007 at 12:03 am, purplepeep said:

    derel3433 said:
    the pope is considered primate of italy.

    That’s different from the Kos hate site’s attack on Catholics in denouncing the Catholic’s Holy Father as “a primate”. (ape)

  33. #33
    On July 17th, 2007 at 12:11 am, purplepeep said:

    CC said:
    I won’t ever travel on Jet Blue now. Neither will anyone in my large family. You can be sure they’ll look out for the terrorists’ interests and not ours.

    Funny you should mention that

    Wish I were a PS geek - ah well, it’s good to just have bit of amateur fun, anyway.

  34. #34
    On July 17th, 2007 at 12:24 am, purplepeep said:

    fdr_jr said:
    I am sure most of you have no reservations with using their search engine.

    You’re confused; the issue isn’t whether it’s owned by liberals anymore than would a grocery store being run by liberals. But if Google were to plaster “proud sponsor of the Kos hate site” on it’s search page, you can be sure those who are pro-America would dump it.

  35. #35
    On July 17th, 2007 at 12:25 am, Marshall said:

    Can Bill’s story tank Jet Blue? I’ve never flown them my mom is a travel agent…and conservative…hmm

  36. #36
    On July 17th, 2007 at 12:31 am, puhiawa said:

    Jet Blue won’t buy American made planes, now supports anti-semitic hate sites on the internet, and can’t fly on time. So what’s to like?

  37. #37
    On July 17th, 2007 at 12:32 am, Christopher Taylor said:

    Well, you know, given how poorly Jet Blue performs I don’t suppose this helps either side much. How many times have we read about them being late, not by an hour or two but like a half a day or more? Jet Blue’s service sucks. Their advertising choices suck. So be it.

  38. #38
    On July 17th, 2007 at 12:42 am, fdr_jr said:

    given how poorly Jet Blue performs

    And yet they perform splendidly compared to everyone else. It’s a sad comment on the state of airline industry, but JetBlue consistently ranks on top in customer satisfaction. Read this for instance: http://www.travelindustrywire.com/article28035.html

    If Google were to plaster “proud sponsor of the Kos hate site” on it’s search page

    Google plasters “Proud supporters of Democratic Party” all over themselves. Read here: http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/technology/2005-02-13-google-give-usat_x.htm

    Is that not just about the same in your book? What’s the principal difference between a company coming out in support of someone, versus the majority of its employees doing the same?

  39. #39
    On July 17th, 2007 at 12:42 am, gippergirl said:

    blows my mind away how these companies say that these views don’t reflect their companies……sooooooo we lowly citizens can take a stack of their letterhead and conduct our personal business on it as long as it contains the disclaimer that it does not reflect the view of said corporation???

  40. #40
    On July 17th, 2007 at 1:18 am, purplepeep said:

    fdr_jr said:
    Is that not just about the same in your book?

    Nope. You’re still not getting it on several levels. Reread the grocery store analogy - eggs are eggs no matter the ideology of the store owner. But if a store covers it’s windows with pictures of Bin Laden, citing him as a hero, you can bet they’ll lose business.

    Also, though the Democrat Party is a screwed up mess for the most part, it’s not one psychotic anti-America lunatic running a hate site encouraging sociopaths-in-training to join in the hatred.

  41. #41
    On July 17th, 2007 at 1:43 am, purplepeep said:

    gippergirl said:
    blows my mind away how these companies say that these views don’t reflect their companies

    I think everyone’s BS detector goes off the scale, GG. Especially with the weasel non-answer answers they offer up. We get enough of that type of “answer” from politicians, we don’t need more!

  42. #42
    On July 17th, 2007 at 3:35 am, Dasher said:

    Actually George Soros liquidated most of his holdings around 6/20 and now holds only 72,354 shares. (Click on the insider holdings link at Morningstar)

    Not sure when the sponsorship took place or the timing of his large sale, or who he gifted nearly 4.5 million shares too.

  43. #43
    On July 17th, 2007 at 5:02 am, Mr_Conservative_Cat said:

    For the record, I did a photoshop “entry” to the “contest”, but while being art and animation savvy, I am an internet idiot. I have therefore e-mailed the art to Michelle directly and we’ll see what happens.

    I have to say that I think more people on this board should do likewise, on this subject and others. Many well-crafted words certainly have an effect, but there is nothing more damning than just the right image.

    If it takes an hour or two once or twice a week to make a difference in the world while having a little fun, why not just do it?

  44. #44
    On July 17th, 2007 at 8:16 am, dartagnans_blade said:

    Surprise, surprise…Oreilly and Michelle going after Jet Blue. UH where is the interview with Hillary’s people?…Why not chase her down? I mean after all she is quite possibly the next President of the US. And Americans wonder why the MSM dominates. It’s easy to chase down some schmuck CEO but careers can get burned going after the big fish…Right Michelle?

  45. #45
    On July 17th, 2007 at 8:32 am, ajmontana said:

    That’s a good one Dart. Hillary’s entourage would run like scared Rabbits and she has about as much chance of becoming next President as me being the next Pope.

  46. #46
    On July 17th, 2007 at 8:34 am, ScottG said:

    dartagnans blade is a bit dull, methinks….

  47. #47
    On July 17th, 2007 at 8:39 am, publiuswarmac9999 said:

    The CEO of Jet Blue did not realize that he had created a crisis when he sponsored the Kos anarchists. The fact that he was given a week to appear on the O’Reilly Factor should have been a clue that something major was out of wack. His subsequent street performance was a complete failure as a groped for words which should have been pre-planned.

    Do you really want to fly an airline run by such haphazard people - I think not.

  48. #48
    On July 17th, 2007 at 9:05 am, derel3433 said:

    I know he was kidding, but I didn’t like BOR referring to you as a fascist.

  49. #49
    On July 17th, 2007 at 9:13 am, derel3433 said:

    On July 17th, 2007 at 12:03 am, purplepeep said:
    That’s different from the Kos hate site’s attack on Catholics in denouncing the Catholic’s Holy Father as “a primate”. (ape)

    Does anyone have link to Kos denunciation of Pope as “a primate”? I’m having trouble finding. Thanx.

  50. #50
    On July 17th, 2007 at 9:14 am, Go_Fish said:

    “I think our customers are, we’ll treat them with dignity and respect, they’re very smart, they’ll draw their own conclusions…”

    My conclusion is that David Barger is either a clueless idiot or a flat out liar. That’s one airline I’ll never use.

  51. #51
    On July 17th, 2007 at 9:22 am, zeroangel said:

    His subsequent street performance was a complete failure as a groped for words which should have been pre-planned.

    Yes, that is the first thing that struck me.

    I had to go back and reread to make sure this guy was the CEO and not some public relations hack. How could they let this happen? THE CEO of thier company went on the air completely unprepared?! Did he think he was just going to shoot from the hip? Did he think he was going to a cub scouts meeting? Or are him and his people SO clueless that they didn’t have any idea that sponsorship of KOS might rub some ppl the wrong way?

    Unreal.

  52. #52
    On July 17th, 2007 at 9:31 am, MikeB said:

    THE POPE IS A PRIMATE under all three definitions:

    pri·mate /ˈpraɪmeɪt or, esp. for 1, ˈpraɪmɪt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[prahy-meyt or, esp. for 1, prahy-mit] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
    –noun 1. Ecclesiastical. an archbishop or bishop ranking first among the bishops of a province or country.
    2. any of various omnivorous mammals of the order Primates, comprising the three suborders Anthropoidea (humans, great apes, gibbons, Old World monkeys, and New World monkeys), Prosimii (lemurs, loris, and their allies), and Tarsioidea (tarsiers), esp. distinguished by the use of hands, varied locomotion, and by complex flexible behavior involving a high level of social interaction and cultural adaptability.
    3. Archaic. a chief or leader.

  53. #53
    On July 17th, 2007 at 9:49 am, josetheguerilla said:

    The Left wing airline pic on the front page is funny, funny, funny.

  54. #54
    On July 17th, 2007 at 9:50 am, Schweggie said:

    I wonder if Mike B has read any of Pope Benedict’s writings…

  55. #55
    On July 17th, 2007 at 10:01 am, Kowboy said:

    On July 17th, 2007 at 8:34 am, ScottG said:

    dartagnans blade is a bit dull, methinks….

    I’ve seen sharper grapes.

  56. #56
    On July 17th, 2007 at 10:05 am, Kowboy said:

    On July 17th, 2007 at 8:16 am, dartagnans_blade said:

    Surprise, surprise…Oreilly and Michelle going after Jet Blue. UH where is the interview with Hillary’s people?…Why not chase her down?

    UH, why not wait for her to come to the debate on Fox? Oh, right…..

    I mean after all she is quite possibly the next President of the US.

    Nah. There’s not enough tinfoil out there to make enough hats to make that happen.

    And Americans wonder why the MSM dominates.

    Because people like you keep paying attention to them?

  57. #57
    On July 17th, 2007 at 10:06 am, Pickle said:

    Official airline of treason.

  58. #58
    On July 17th, 2007 at 10:09 am, 3Steps said:

    @fdr_jr

    I doubt JetBlue will lose any sleep over this. They have superior prices and superior service

    You are correct. They will not. The KOS gathering is totally within their promotional guidelines. He was flat out lying when he said they didn’t mix business and politics.

    However, their ’superior service’? Hello… ya I guess if Direct TV is all you care about. They have horrible issues with like.. actually FLYING and getting people there on time.

    The people I know quit using JetBlue months ago. If they are flying they are flying to get somewhere other than the tarmac.

    So you go right ahead and keep your direct TV and your JetBlue. Personally. It will be a cold day in heck before I step foot on one of their flights again. Why? Because sponsoring the KOS is disgusting to me. And because frankly… I think their service is unreliable at best. Course.. I don’t watch TV. I read.

  59. #59
    On July 17th, 2007 at 10:13 am, Pickle said:

    fdr_jr said:

    Is that not just about the same in your book? What’s the principal difference between a company coming out in support of someone, versus the majority of its employees doing the same?

    The principal difference is that we’re talking about sponsoring the hate site Daily Kos here, not the Democratic Party.

  60. #60
    On July 17th, 2007 at 10:19 am, 3Steps said:

    @fdr_jr

    ps.

    I am sure most of you have no reservations with using their search engine.

    Calling BS on this one.

    I quit using their search engine when they agreed to censor their results in order to kiss China’s butt.

  61. #61
    On July 17th, 2007 at 10:35 am, stevem said:

    BARGER: Same, I mean, it’s, from a standpoint of running our business, that’s what we do from an airline perspective, so there’s really not alignment along those lines. I appreciate your interest.

    So, if the KKK approached Barger about sponsoring their annual convention - not even sure if there is one - would they agree to sponsor the event and “not go there” when it comes to the KKK’s politics of racism?

  62. #62
    On July 17th, 2007 at 11:03 am, geminicontender said:

    SOROS, SOROS, SOROS. Need anything more be said. Great photoshop pic. Very appropriate.

  63. #63
    On July 17th, 2007 at 11:13 am, Jim M. said:

    Jet Bleau?

  64. #64
    On July 17th, 2007 at 11:15 am, flenser said:

    I love the way he repeats “I appreciate your interest”, when he clearly HATES the interest and wants all questions to stop right now.

  65. #65
    On July 17th, 2007 at 12:31 pm, dartagnans_blade said:

    Typical critiques from the peanut gallery, let me get my crayons out for Scott and (K)owboy. Why not actually argue the point? The MSM dominates because they are able to reach a tremendous audience. Going after nobodies like Jet Blue, Sean Penn, Michael Moore and Rosie is getting us nowhere as is evident by the total domination by the MSM. And by the way, if you think Hillary has no chance, you ain’t paying attention. Would someone like to differ? Michelle?

  66. #66
    On July 17th, 2007 at 1:41 pm, fdr_jr said:

    They have horrible issues with like.. actually FLYING and getting people there on time.

    I’ll call BS on that one. Read the BTS statistics, then talk. Of the airlines that actually fly somewhere (as opposed to, say, Hawaiian Airlines), JetBlue has one of the highest on-time arrival rates and the second lowest flight cancellation rate in the country (after, again, Hawaiian Air). True, they had a rough winter - but they bounced back really well. Check out their numbers month by month:
    Bureau of Transportation Statistics

  67. #67
    On July 17th, 2007 at 1:51 pm, fdr_jr said:

    I quit using their search engine when they agreed to censor their results in order to kiss China’s butt.

    Wonderful. I bet you also carefully avoid all “Made in China” products. Oh, and since Michelle supports Google by using their advertising products, and Google censors their results in China — aren’t you supporting them indirectly by reading her blog? Isn’t that just a tad hypocritical? Because as far as sponsoring a nutty website (JetBlue) versus helping a dictatorial regime (Google) goes, I’d argue the second is much, much worse.

    I think the real problem with all of this is that if you dig deep enough, you can find something in any company that goes against your convictions. If you knee-jerk-boycott everything you see, there won’t be anyone left.

    While we are at it, why not boycott BMW, Volkswagen, Krupp, and our IBM to boot, for aiding Hitler’s regime 60+ years ago? ‘Cause that beats even Google.

  68. #68
    On July 17th, 2007 at 2:35 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    fdr_jr, by “airlines that actually fly somewhere (as opposed to, say, Hawaiian Airlines)” perhaps you are unaware (I could stop there) that they fly to places like Los Angeles, Las Vegas, San Francisco, Portland, Papeete, Pago Pago and Sydney in addition to the major Hawaiian Islands? Many Japanese Americans refused to ever fly Hawaiian - even today - because Hawaiian had discriminated (at least in their estimation) against Japanese-Americans during WWII. And I do know a Jewish guy who had tons of money but never in his life bought a Mercedes.
    Whenever a business gets involved politically, they run the risk of alienating customers.
    Their CEO is obviously either stupid or a lier.

  69. #69
    On July 17th, 2007 at 2:56 pm, fdr_jr said:

    perhaps you are unaware (I could stop there) that they fly to places like

    That’s disingeneous. Obviously Hawaiian Airlines flies somewhere, otherwise it wouldn’t be an airline. The point is that you can’t seriously compare their operation to that of JetBlue.

    Many Japanese Americans refused to ever fly Hawaiian

    See, now you are opening a whole new can of worms. The entire country discriminated against them in World War II, and justifiably so, according to Michelle’s book — so why aren’t they boycotting the US? Seems like that’s the proper target for boycott, Hawaiian Airlines were just following suit.

  70. #70
    On July 17th, 2007 at 3:54 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Long distances over water? International airline?

    You were implying they fly a few flights to and from outer islands.

    I’m not comparing them - I don’t recall Hawaiian leaving thousands of passengers stuck on the tarmac for hours…no comparison there.

    I don’t even like them, I fly Aloha inter-island and others to the mainland and internationally, but they’re a serious airline and they beat JetBlue in your beloved statistics.

    The point of course is that JetBlue has decided to piss off some of their customers by getting involved in politics. Many of these people will be ex customers. And their clueless leader doesn’t get it.

  71. #71
    On July 17th, 2007 at 4:14 pm, purplepeep said:

    MikeB said:
    THE POPE IS A PRIMATE under all three definitions:

    Mikey, Mikey, Mikey - with your confessed lack of reading comprehension skills you’re not ready to go it alone.

    Though it does help to assess the depth of your bigotry as you excuse the Kos hate site’s attacks on Catholics. So we can help you not only to learn basic reading skills, but to help rid you of some very nasty thought processes.

    Do also share the Kos hatred for Jews or do you part comapny with the Kos hate site on that?

  72. #72
    On July 17th, 2007 at 5:57 pm, 3Steps said:

    @fdr_jr

    Wonderful. I bet you also carefully avoid all “Made in China” products. Oh, and since Michelle supports Google by using their advertising products, and Google censors their results in China — aren’t you supporting them indirectly by reading her blog? Isn’t that just a tad hypocritical? Because as far as sponsoring a nutty website (JetBlue) versus helping a dictatorial regime (Google) goes, I’d argue the second is much, much worse.

    I think the real problem with all of this is that if you dig deep enough, you can find something in any company that goes against your convictions. If you knee-jerk-boycott everything you see, there won’t be anyone left.

    While we are at it, why not boycott BMW, Volkswagen, Krupp, and our IBM to boot, for aiding Hitler’s regime 60+ years ago? ‘Cause that beats even Google

    Unlike you I don’t feel the need to dictate what others choose to do. I make my choices myself. I don’t have a particular problem with China, China is China’s problem. I objected to an ‘American’ company kowtowing to them and throwing away the concept of freedom of speech in order to make a dollar…. or whatever they use for currency there. It was Google’s choice to do that. Just as it is my choice not to use the Google Search Engine.

    I don’t ‘knee jerk’ do anything. You are the one being a jerk here. Not I.

    I agreed with you. You said you didn’t think JetBlue was going to lose any sleep over the boycotts. And I agreed, they won’t.

    But as far as my personal position on who will get my scarce airline dollars? I think that’s still my choice isn’t it? And it won’t be JetBlue. And if I choose to use a different search engine than Google that is also my choice.

    Just because YOU think they are the best means nothing to me. Just because you think that I shouldn’t watch where my money goes as well as my vote means nothing to me. I serious doubt you give it a thought on a day to day basis. ‘Cause you are just that shallow.

    Oh.. and by the way.. I only buy American built cars. You can easily tell what country they were built in by the VIN.

    Your original point was that we are hypocrits for using Google’s search engine. I said I didn’t. Now you want to make it that somehow that I have no right to be here because there are Google ads somewhere… whoopie.. let me think about it.. your opinion means… oh ya.. I’ve got it.. NOTHING to me.

    You sound like a spoiled brat without a brain in his head. ‘Leather seats and Direct TV’… well.. if that’s what is important to you then you just roll with it. All I said was that it wasn’t to me. Just deal with it. Any argument you can make won’t change what is important to me.

    Fly JetBlue
    Use Google Search
    Buy VW’s

    I don’t CARE what you do. I only care what I do.

  73. #73
    On July 17th, 2007 at 6:00 pm, 3Steps said:

    @purplepeep..

    I’m pretty sure Mikey hates everything. ;-)

  74. #74
    On July 17th, 2007 at 6:48 pm, fdr_jr said:

    Just because YOU think they are the best means nothing to me. Just because you think that I shouldn’t watch where my money goes as well as my vote means nothing to me. I serious doubt you give it a thought on a day to day basis. ‘Cause you are just that shallow.

    I am not telling you what to do; I am arguing — that is what a discussion space is for, isn’t it? My argument is my own: you are free to disagree with it, as you do, but why not just state why you disagree, rather than resorting to name-calling? That’s just trolling.

    Now, back to the argument. My whole point is that I believe that whether a particular company gets one’s business or not should be based primarily on its level of service (so for an airline it’s price, timeliness, amenities, etc.). You may disagree with other things that company does, but I believe that by taking your business elsewhere, you are ultimately hurting yourself. If they lose business and dunk, their good service will go away, and the plank for the entire industry will go lower. So I think a reasonable thing to do is to make your point of view known to the company — through letters or phone calls. But unless their offense is insanely egregious, taking away business from a company with good service values is, in my opinion, not effective.

    I emphasized “I” statements to make sure you see that this is my opinion and not a suggestion of what you should do. Cheers.

  75. #75
    On July 17th, 2007 at 9:39 pm, Mr_Conservative_Cat said:

    Mikey B.

    On July 17th, 2007 at 9:31 am, MikeB said:
    THE POPE IS A PRIMATE under all three definitions:

    pri·mate /ˈpraɪmeɪt or, esp. for 1, ˈpraɪmɪt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[prahy-meyt or, esp. for 1, prahy-mit] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
    –noun 1. Ecclesiastical. an archbishop or bishop ranking first among the bishops of a province or country.
    2. any of various omnivorous mammals of the order Primates, comprising the three suborders Anthropoidea (humans, great apes, gibbons, Old World monkeys, and New World monkeys), Prosimii (lemurs, loris, and their allies), and Tarsioidea (tarsiers), esp. distinguished by the use of hands, varied locomotion, and by complex flexible behavior involving a high level of social interaction and cultural adaptability.
    3. Archaic. a chief or leader.

    It’s cute parsing outside the common usage of words to be adorable while infuriating like the example above which is why most everyone here think you’re a trolling little p*ick. To be blunt, if I were the management here I’d regard that one as the last straw and throw your sorry ass off the board.

  76. #76
    On July 18th, 2007 at 11:09 am, LuxEternam said:

    Actually George Soros liquidated most of his holdings around 6/20 and now holds only 72,354 shares. (Click on the insider holdings link at Morningstar)

    Not sure when the sponsorship took place or the timing of his large sale, or who he gifted nearly 4.5 million shares too.

    Hmmmmm…. Could it be possibly the DailyKAOS??????? I would guess it would make them one of the majority shareholders, and give them enough muscle to leverage this incredibly stupid decision on JetBlue’s part. Safe to say, no JetBlue for my family ever again.

  77. #77
    On July 18th, 2007 at 12:41 pm, 3Steps said:

    @fdr_jr

    Now, back to the argument. My whole point is that I believe that whether a particular company gets one’s business or not should be based primarily on its level of service (so for an airline it’s price, timeliness, amenities, etc.). You may disagree with other things that company does, but I believe that by taking your business elsewhere, you are ultimately hurting yourself. If they lose business and dunk, their good service will go away, and the plank for the entire industry will go lower. So I think a reasonable thing to do is to make your point of view known to the company — through letters or phone calls. But unless their offense is insanely egregious, taking away business from a company with good service values is, in my opinion, not effective.

    well.. you can feel good about your arguements… obviously someone agrees with you as my response last night was deleted. But I’m going to post it again since I think it needs to be said.

    I believe I said that I didn’t feel I needed to compromise my values so that you could have leather seats and directtv.

    I also said that if you remember correctly… I AGREED with you. You said JetBlue wouldn’t lose any sleep over it and I agree. They won’t. It will make no difference to them whatsoever. They have calculated the cost of the few people who will actually boycott against the people they will pick up from their exposure at Kos. They are not out to crucify their bottom line. They are out to enhance it. And they will have covered all angles before they decided to sponsor the one of the internets most well known hate sites.

    But YOUR arguement is about JetBlue. Not mine.

    MY argument is about being called a hypocrit. And when I refuted it you proceeded to continue to call me a hypocrit.

    as I said last night.. you can call me lots of things… from being stubborn to being a stupid b!tch… but I am NOT a hypocrit. I am stubborn. I am not a stupid b!tch I am a very smart one. But I am absolutely NOT a hypocrit.

    Now I may not be the most clear writer depending on time of day and number of kids pulling on my coattails.. but I thought I made that clear.

    I don’t CARE about JetBlue.
    I don’t CARE about who does or does not use JetBlue.
    I care about what I do. And what I believe in. And I will not use JetBlue services. Ever. That is my choice. I don’t choose what is popular. I often choose based on emotion rather than logic. I don’t expect anyone else to agree with me. That would be a freaking first. I’d probably have a heart attack from the shock.

    And agreeing with me just to HOPE I drop dead… won’t work cause I know you’d be fibbing ;-)

  78. #78
    On July 18th, 2007 at 2:37 pm, huggybear said:

    If you want to boycott JetBlue because you disagree with Kos’ politics, that’s fine. But smearing Kos by cherry-picking a few nasty comments made on a site that has been around for years and receives thousands of comments a day is disingenuous at best, yellow journalism at worst. Of course this isn’t too surprising, since yellow journalism is O’Reilly’s stock and trade.

    If you need any evidence that vile, hateful commentary is not limited to the left, why not take a gander at some of the threats Kos has received from O’Reilly’s viewers. “Irony” is apparently not a part of these peoples’ vocabulary.

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