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1. #105052
   On July 16th, 2007 at 11:44 am, 3Steps said:

   OMG.. deport the alien criminals.. brings a tear to my eye…

   I don’t understand how they can not know how STUPID they look fighting this.

2. #105056
   On July 16th, 2007 at 11:51 am, On-my-soap-box said:

   …and violate their rights!!!

   /sarc off

3. #105058
   On July 16th, 2007 at 11:59 am, OneofThem said:

   One of the main problems with American policy regarding dealing with any criminals in general is that they assume that criminals have all the human rights that law-abiding citizens do. [sarcasm]So, you know, we can’t deport the criminals because it would hurt their feelings![/sarcasm]

   (Actually, the comment engine on here really does need a sarcasm button. )

4. #105059
   On July 16th, 2007 at 12:00 pm, geminicontender said:

   Sanctuary cities beware. You may soon lose Federal support (Public services less the National Guard). You can look upon your local ‘gang’ affiliate or local Mosque to now provide you protection. What a wonderful thought.

5. #105062
   On July 16th, 2007 at 12:07 pm, Wade said:

   Michelle Michelle, how long are we going to have to wait for an apology for this post?

6. #105064
   On July 16th, 2007 at 12:17 pm, josetheguerilla said:

   At least it’s not too late for Illinois. 287(g) will never pass in Los Angles. I’m sure Geraldo is happy about his one, another defeat he can chalk up.

7. #105068
   On July 16th, 2007 at 12:24 pm, uhangtight said:

   the state of oklahoma passed a law regarding assisting illegals by allowing them housing and financing, etc. understand the illegals have all feld.. before the law is enacted. 50% going home to mexico.. 50% going to arizona and texas.. gee.. enforcing laws really works..

   also same is happening in one of the carolinas.. same thing.. 50% go home to mexico and 50% flee to illegal friendly states..

   Everyone needs to stand behind these states and the states to follow..

8. #105069
   On July 16th, 2007 at 12:24 pm, uhangtight said:

   oops meant the have all fled..

9. #105071
   On July 16th, 2007 at 12:32 pm, uhangtight said:

   http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=070621_238_A15_hBusi67588

10. #105073
    On July 16th, 2007 at 12:33 pm, DesertLover said:

    uhangtight

    AZ just signed into law stiff penalties for companies that knowingly hire illegals that, in addition to fines and temporary suspension of their business license, can have an end result of the permanent loss of their business license if they continue to violate the law …

    Goes into effect on 01-01-08 … so we will have to wait and see if it works at drying up the job pool and making AZ a less attractive place for Illegals …

11. #105086
    On July 16th, 2007 at 1:02 pm, ajmontana said:

    It really is baffling why anyone in their right ming wouldn’t back this. It’s a no-brainer.

12. #105088
    On July 16th, 2007 at 1:07 pm, wherestherum said:

    At least there’s hope for other states. CA is a lost cause. We’re a sanctuary state and nothing’s going to change that short of falling into the ocean. Soon we’ll be part of Mexico just by sheer population. Border? What border?

13. #105097
    On July 16th, 2007 at 1:19 pm, John Ansell said:

    They march in Support for people like Juan Leonardo Quintero? What about the family of Rodney Johnson? How would they answer the family’s loss at the hands of this illegal alien?

14. #105098
    On July 16th, 2007 at 1:19 pm, ColtsFan said:

    The City Council in Waukegan, Illinois has heard enough from local residents who are tired of home prices falling because of the invasion of illegal aliens. The Council is finally taking action. Schools are over-crowded and are of poor quality, because limited funds are going towards hiring bilingual translators instead of focusing on more advanced college prep courses. One Hispanic citizen told me she is upset about multiple families (none of whom even speaks English) living together in crowded single family homes with 6 cars parked outside. The City Council should have taken action years ago, before the city became “Mexico City.”

15. #105103
    On July 16th, 2007 at 1:32 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    “Thousands of pro-illegal immigration activists are expected to descend on Waukegan, Illinois today.”

    After work right?

16. #105111
    On July 16th, 2007 at 1:50 pm, Rick Moran said:

    There is a strong intimidation factor at work here – one I hope Waukegan city fathers will be able to resist.

    This story in the local paper says it all. And read between the lines of what the protest organizer says:

    Jose Guzman, a leader of the Labor Council for Latin American Advancement in Waukegan, said his people cannot stand idly by while Waukegan leaders try to push them around.

    Later he says “We don’t do violence.” But it sounds to me like they’re going to do their best to intimidate the lawmakers into repealing their vote.

17. #105113
    On July 16th, 2007 at 1:50 pm, gayle said:

    Gee, now they’ll all descend into NC – home of the Taco Travesty.

18. #105114
    On July 16th, 2007 at 1:52 pm, TMoney said:

    This is the sorry kind of criminal alienista ilk that is trying its best to run a small deli out of business in Farmer’s Branch, Texas – The Blue Star Deli. I hope Michelle looks into that also. Some pro-criminal is making noise at a local business, and their business has been cut dramatically without that catering business.
    The good local radio shows are working on it. I hope others will also.

19. #105121
    On July 16th, 2007 at 2:14 pm, Jaded said:

    I hope the good people of Waukegan, Illinois get out there to make their board members understand that illegal mean against the law and that we are a nation of laws. I am sick of these open borders people with their big money backers (Soros) attempting to subvert the law of the USA. This is truly a war from within.

20. #105140
    On July 16th, 2007 at 3:25 pm, RhymesWithRight said:

    I lived in and near Waukegan for many years, when my father was stationed at the Naval Training Center at Great Lakes, just a few miles away.

    I wonder if base personnel would consider a boycott of Waukegan until the city fathers decide to uphold the rule of law?

21. #105142
    On July 16th, 2007 at 3:28 pm, JJwclink said:

    Gas up those yellow buses from New Orleans, fill those seats, and get’m otta here!!

22. #105143
    On July 16th, 2007 at 3:34 pm, suek said:

    >>At least there’s hope for other states. CA is a lost cause.>>

    Lost cause for the state, no doubt. I wonder what would happen if we acted county by county…? Most of the Calif. counties are Republican, but the most populous counties are Dem. What would happen if the majority of counties passed anti-illegal laws? Then those who want to promote the open border policies would get to support them instead of the anti-illegal counties having to support those they’re not in favor of supporting. Could that be done?

23. #105162
    On July 16th, 2007 at 4:22 pm, captivated_dem said:

    Went to my sons’ Navy boot camp graduation and stayed over in Waukegan. Was never so glad to leave a place.

24. #105171
    On July 16th, 2007 at 4:29 pm, lgm said:

    Quiz question: What law on the books would lead to the biggest drop in violent crime if enforced forcefully?

    Answer: gun control.

    Do Fox and conservative bloggers go ballistic every time a crime is committed with an illegally sold handgun?

    Immigration is a distant fifth.

25. #105173
    On July 16th, 2007 at 4:31 pm, wherestherum said:

    On July 16th, 2007 at 3:34 pm, suek

    I think on a county-by-county basis, that might work. However, the problem is the activists here have a louder voice than everyone else and because our legislature is so heavily liberal and the Republicans have virtually no power (and are wimpy for the most part anyway), no matter what the people say, we’re ignored. LA and San Francisco will never give up their sanctuary city policies. LA especially hates cops. We also have to contend with the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals. Remember Prop 187? Passed hands down across the state. Then it was overturned by the court as “unconstitutional.” CA is screwed. As soon as I can, I’m moving to a different state.

26. #105175
    On July 16th, 2007 at 4:39 pm, wherestherum said:

    Quiz question: What law on the books would lead to the biggest drop in violent crime if enforced forcefully?

    Answer: gun control.

    Criminals by the very definition of being, uh, you know, criminals, will obtain a gun, the laws be damned. So…more laws about guns, even if they were enforced, does not mean a drop in crime. In fact, it would most likely increase crime. See Washington, DC for an example.

    And for every person killed by a gun, how many have saved their lives and the lives of others by having their own weapon?

27. #105229
    On July 16th, 2007 at 6:30 pm, greenLibertarian said:

    Anyone see the weekend Lou Dobbs show? California population expected to double by 2050, mostly due to Hispanics, and will have a Hispanic majority (don’t expect any border/employer/… enforcement there). I wonder if other states will begin receiving -citizen- ‘immigrants’ fleeing from California?

28. #105230
    On July 16th, 2007 at 6:30 pm, Alphonse said:

    White racists call them criminals. Mexinoisans call them “family” or “immigrants.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waukegan,_Illinois
    Hispanic or Latino of any race were 44.82% of the population.

29. #105275
    On July 16th, 2007 at 8:02 pm, lgm said:

    wherestherum asked:

    And for every person killed by a gun, how many have saved their lives and the lives of others by having their own weapon?

    And how many American lives have been saved by illegal immigrants serving in the US military? How many immigrants have died for the country they live in illegally?

    You might want better enforcement of immigration laws, but illegal immigrants are not worse (on the whole) than the rest of us good but imperfect Americans.

30. #105286
    On July 16th, 2007 at 9:14 pm, greenLibertarian said:

    wherestherum: illegals are worse -overall- because

    1. high birth rate
    2. low education level
    3. don’t speak English

    All of the above makes them -overall- a higher burden on citizens in many ways.

    Of course there are immigrants of all sorts that are superb Americans, but we must consider the total effect of mass illegal immigration (and legal immigration).

31. #105298
    On July 16th, 2007 at 9:45 pm, wherestherum said:

    Hey, lgm, come to LA. Let me show you what illegals are doing to the city I live in. Do you know what it’s like to sit in traffic for two hours just to go 20 miles? Do you know how many hospitals are being shut down because illegals are taking advantage of our health care? Have you been to East LA, to the barrios, were gangs like MS-13 infest the neighborhoods and innocents die every day? Take a look at Patterico’s blog. Michelle’s post about Zina Linnik is another good example. There’s an example of what illegal alien criminals are doing. I don’t doubt many are here simply to send money back home. But I don’t appreciate the anchor babies, the increased traffic, the decrease in the standard of living in some neighborhoods, the decrease of the quality of our school system. Take a look at LAUSD’s drop out rate. It’s 40%. Greenlibertarian is right. They’re more of an overall burden than a benefit. If every other country is allowed to have strict immigration laws, why can’t we?

    Don’t insult my friends relatives who came here LEGALLY by saying illegals are an overall benefit. To let these people, especially the criminals, get away with breaking the law offends me.

32. #105299
    On July 16th, 2007 at 9:46 pm, wherestherum said:

    * friends and relatives

33. #105306
    On July 16th, 2007 at 10:19 pm, Pat said:

    I’ll just add my voice that the placard in the store window gambit is nothing but thuggery. Can you imagine seeing their emissaries walk into your store and demand your “support”? I guess that’s how they do politics where they come from.

    Can the police be trusted to protect the shopowners, or are they “tolerant” (meaning immigrants can do whatever they want)?

34. #105322
    On July 16th, 2007 at 11:56 pm, Yashmak said:

    They’re more of an overall burden than a benefit.

    There are many recent studies backing this statement up from a fiscal standpoint. It has been found that illegal immigrants with less than a high school diploma’s education are a substantial net burden on public services, drawing substantially more services than they pay for in taxes. The majority of legal immigrants, on the other hand, have a high school diploma or greater education, and contribute more than they demand in services.

    In fact, I’d be willing to bet it wouldn’t take too much looking to dig up some of those links here, or at a dozen other ‘blogs. Those of you who question us who have an enforcement stance should read them, and decide for yourself if they are credible. I believe they are.

35. #105325
    On July 17th, 2007 at 12:16 am, rlongenbach said:

    I wonder if other states will begin receiving -citizen- ‘immigrants’ fleeing from California?

    greenLibertarian,

    Hasn’t this been happening for 10+ years? For at least 12 years the population has been increasing yet the number of citizens moving out of state is higher than the number moving in state.

    And no one questions why.

    Glad I got out when I did.

36. #105326
    On July 17th, 2007 at 12:21 am, LC said:

    And how many American lives have been saved by illegal immigrants serving in the US military? How many immigrants have died for the country they live in illegally?

    Enlisting in the military as an illegal alien is known as enlisting under false pretenses and can result in disciplinary action followed by dishonorable discharge and return to country of origin. Unlike the private sector, new recruits must PROVE their identity and legal status. If you do happen to find an illegal in the military rest assured they are far and few between. Please don’t think they are an overwhelming percentage of the force by any stretch of the imagination.

    This argument is FUD, plain an simple. Case dismissed.

37. #105334
    On July 17th, 2007 at 1:08 am, katieanne said:

    How can anyone support keeping criminal illegal aliens in their town? Are these people insane? What about their own town’s security? Do they care so little for their own safety?

    As far as I am concerned, those who support the criminal illegals staying in the US have blood on their hands from any crimes these illegals commit.

38. #105349
    On July 17th, 2007 at 4:46 am, greenLibertarian said:

    Cheers to the city! We won’t be assimilated by the liberal/pc/open-borders collective without a fight.

    I’ll sleep a bit better tonight, thanks to the heroes on the city council.

    Forgive me, I just watched three Star Trek Voyager Borg episodes

39. #105354
    On July 17th, 2007 at 6:34 am, gayle said:

    A few years ago I attended a private party at a local pub. It had been closed to the public for the night.

    A group of illegals approached the door wanting to come in…..the manager told them in Spanish, that a private party was being held. (there was a sign on the door)

    This same group proceded to take cinderblocks and smash people’s windshields on their vehicles….including mine.

    The police were called and they could see this group from a distance as they had been identified by another person at the local gas station. We went outside and saw them peeking around the corner of a building….watching us.

    The cops knew who they were. The keystone cops did NOTHING.

    This has become a sanctuary town and I dare to say that most of NC harbors illegals. The law enforcement’s hands are tied, is their response.

    Our town is no longer a safe, friendly, and clean place to live. Property values have decreased in most areas due to the high rate of illegals renting and keeping these areas filthy.

    Yes, I am bitter about illegals. They flood the roads driving erratically, mostly men that have consumed alcohol, increase in crime, drugs, and welfare…..taxes are some of the highest on the East Coast.

    We have had many law abiding citizens killed in recent months by illegals with a criminal record and the very least, a few convictions.

    I so love paying taxes…. and for what?
    To support/enable a corrupt government and illegals. I so want to QUIT giving the government MY MONEY.

    Our liberal governor and cronies turn a blind eye. I have written complaints and nothing is being done.

    This state needs help to deal with this problem. We need more media coverage to keep stating what NC will not do about this ongoing illegal travesty.

40. #105358
    On July 17th, 2007 at 7:45 am, Chief RZ said:

    About time! The illegal aliens have shown their base nature too often. We saw this in the 1960s and 70s. I hope we learned our lessons and stand up to criminal behaviors this time.

41. #105360
    On July 17th, 2007 at 7:56 am, Insomniac said:

    Way to go, good citizens of Waukegan! Let’s hope this starts catching on!

42. #105364
    On July 17th, 2007 at 8:30 am, jamesgreenidge said:

    Re: gayle #38 – More Than Neighborhoods Taken Over

    This is already starting in spotted areas on Long Island and Connecticut, no longer just restricted to areas around Home Depots. This really comes down to a neighborhood/cultural degradation issue as well as a economic one, and it’s telling how people with property and assets in this country are finally recognizing that. The grim fact is that nearly all of America may have to reach a terrible tolerance saturation point before we take drastic decisive action, meaning mass deportation and life penalties for hiring illegals. There’s really no way around it unless you want to be assimilated — which unfortunately for too many is a good idea in “cultural diversification”. To save this country’s heritage and state of living, we must either take the bitter medicine now and start rounding up and deporting a thousand+ illegals (not merely criminals either) a week and fortify the border and _severely_ penalize illegals hiring, or in the near future be forced to embark on a massive painful purging program of the sort no one would be proud of.

    James Greenidge
    Queens NY

43. #105368
    On July 17th, 2007 at 8:42 am, gayle said:

    James,

    Unfortunately, even our local newspaper….another liberal media source…won’t even print letters about illegals from concerned citizens.

    Our hands are tied. I moved out of town, into the fringe area… higher end area of the county….fortunately there are NO ILLEGALS residing in this neighborhood.

    However, they do most of the construction, landscaping, and are stealing from homes under construction.
    That was reported in the paper, but nothing was done about it.

    I previously lived in a quaint neighborhood where everyone knew each other, a great place to rear kids…..however those days are long gone! My home sold last year for about $20,000 less than it would have been valued at five years earlier.

    Thank you illegals and those that employ them. Those in the city council hire them for their own purposes, so what good does it do?

    Frustrating and criminal IMHO.

44. #105462
    On July 17th, 2007 at 11:45 am, Pat said:

    #38, Gayle, the same thing is happening in my neighborhood in California. I have people walking by with stolen shopping carts in broad daylight, and nothing happens! Police chasing criminals at night, helis flying over, graffiti on stop signs–the police do nothing. Aw, let’s be tolerant! You almost can’t blame them, they’ve been mau-maud and brainwashed for the past 20 years. I would sell, but no one wants to pay me enough. My friend has a very expensive home, and she has a boarding house of illegals next to her, so there’s no place to go anyways.

45. #105556
    On July 17th, 2007 at 1:39 pm, kimsch said:

    Gayle

    I’m closer to the west end of the county than the east, but I still want to be able to move out of “Little Mexico”. I couldn’t even talk to most of the mothers at the kindergarten bus stop last year. There were some who tried to speak English however and that was a bit heartening. I would like a bigger house and I could either add on to this one or buy a new house elsewhere. When I can afford it I’ll emigrate… Besides there are no sidewalks in this neighborhood…

46. #105563
    On July 17th, 2007 at 1:44 pm, gayle said:

    Disgusting it all I can say.

    Not only do illegals add a burden to the
    taxpayers, but they drive down the housing market…..it’s a small wonder that the real estate market is suffering….overbuilding and homes values depreciating (in my area) due to the influx of nasty illegals!!!!!!!

47. #105579
    On July 17th, 2007 at 1:59 pm, kimsch said:

    When there are six cars in the driveway and no high school aged children, that says something…

48. #105586
    On July 17th, 2007 at 2:13 pm, gayle said:

    You’ve got that right!

    Let’s not leave out the yards filled with debri/beer cans….just nasty.

    THIS IS GROSS; PROCEED WITH CAUTION!

    A friend of mine was having some remodeling done on her house. Of course the contractor had illegals doing some of the labor. One man used HER TRASH can as a toilet….not the liquid waste either.

    She noticed a strong odor and opened the lid and there it was.

    HOW REPULSIVE! She almost vomited.

    This is how they live. This guy could have gone to the local gas station and used their bathroom.

    Sorry ….hope I didn’t offend anyone.
    This is OUR new reality folks.

49. #105634
    On July 17th, 2007 at 3:29 pm, kimsch said:

    There’s the polka music too. Loud. Late at night.

50. #105732
    On July 17th, 2007 at 5:22 pm, miron said:

    Just wondering how the two council members who voted against justified their vote.

    If you won’t deport “criminal illegal aliens,” just who would you deport?

    I am an immigrant myself, came in with proper papers in 1983, later applied properly for a green card, and was almost deported because I served an hour a week in a church to fulfill a requirement of the Bible college I was attending. This would not have been of any consequence if I did not apply for permanent residence. According to INS, I did not secure permission to engage in this “unauthorized employment” even though I was not paid by the church. The school never informed me that I needed such permission from INS. I was NOT the first foreign student who attended this school and they had this requirement long before I came. Thankfully, the matter was sorted out but it took me 5 whole years and lots of legal fees. I finally got my green card, then was naturalized in 1994. God Bless America!

    I did it properly and waited my turn. I have no sympathy for those millions who want to cut in and push back those who have been patiently waiting in line. And I’m just talking here about those without criminal records.

    If you have done crime and you are here illegally anyway, why should my adopted country not deport you?

51. #105748
    On July 17th, 2007 at 5:44 pm, gayle said:

    US Citizens will be deported at the rate we are going in this screwed up system.

52. #105776
    On July 17th, 2007 at 6:40 pm, DesertLover said:

    miron

    Welcome American …

    You reflect the same feelings as an untold number (probably millions) of other immigrants that have followed the laws and come to the USA in the right way … I commend you for that … I just wish that all of the folks like you had an organization to express your views like all the open borders supporters have to push for the illegal immigrants that are entering our country … the MSM tries to lump all of your opinions into a bucket with the pro-illegal groups … and that is not right …

    Again … welcome …