CAIR vs. Giuliani
The grievance-mongers at CAIR have issued an “Action Alert” against Rudy Giuliani for using–gasp!–the phrase “Islamic terrorism.”
LGF has a reminder of CAIR’s attack on Giuliani for rejecting disaster-relief aid from Saudi Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal after 9/11.
Badge of honor.
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Isn’t “American-Islamic Relations” some sort of oxymoron?
From CAIR’s website:
” Contact the Rudy Giuliani Presidential Committee to express your concerns about his promotion of linking the faith of Islam to terrorism.”
How about they contact the terrorists who are using the faith of Islam to justify their acts?
How about Guiliani’s campaign being fully devoid of substance and based solely on scarring the American people? How about Guiliani trying to cheap score political points when Ron Paul pointed out that we were attacked for meddling in Middle Eastern affairs (which is what OBL and others have said)? How about Guiliani being so “forward thinking” that he put his emergency office in the World Trade Center after the attacks of 1993? How about Guiliani not thinking maybe the police department and fire department should be able to communicate with each other? How about Guiliani not being able to hire anyone who is not a criminal or involved in a sex scandal? I won’t even get into his personal life, that’s MM’s department.
How is it that after all the attacks by these Islamics, all the polititians etc are falling over themselves to re-assure muslims? It should be the muslims falling over themselves to re-assure everyone else! We keep being told that these terrorists are not real muslims, well maybe it is the ones not murdering and maiming in the name of islam that are not the real muslims. I still wouldn’t vote for Giuliani but anyone on cairs hitlist can’t be all bad:)
Truther MikeB:
The correct spelling is “scaring”; they should have taught you that in truther lessons. And, Ron Paul is an idiot.
MikeB:
Please wake up, and stop being part of the “Blame America First” crowd. We were not in Iraq in 2001; it is not our “meddling” with Middle Eastern affairs that causes terrorism. It is our mere existence, our freedoms, our culture.
And don’t give me that BS liberal line that WE need to change to accomodate them…that if we were more tolerant, more diverse, they’d somehow stop trying to blow us up. It is naive and ignorant to think a rousing chorus of “Kumbaya” will suddenly bring about world peace and cause terrorists to drop their guns, IEDs, and car bombs.
Terrorists - terrorists who practice ISLAM - have said repeatedly that their goals are thus:
1) Destroy the Great Satan (America) and the Little Satan (Israel).
2) Bring about an Islamic caliphate, where the entire world is under Islamic rule.
3) Work to attack America until they take over the White House.
Why are you ignoring what the terrorists have said and, instead, opting to attack Guliani as being the ONLY one with issues? (For the record, I do not support Guliani because he supports abortion and gun-control laws, so I do not have a personal stake in his candidacy).
Terrorism is - by and large - a product of Islam. If you disagree, please document what other religion has been responsible for thousands upon thousands of attacks, beheadings, hostage-takings, and other acts of terrorism since 9/11/2001.
You’ll find NONE. And anytime there is an attack, you won’t find a group like CAIR trying to sweep it under the rug.
It is not racist, it is not bigoted, it is not profiling to point out that the hijackers on 9/11, the 7/7/05 London bombers, the would-be London/Glasgow bombers earlier this month were all of Islamic background.
It is not racist, bigoted, or profiling to point out that the religious clerics who constantly call for a caliphate, world domination, and destruction of free societies preach in the name of Islam.
It is pure fact and observation.
I stand correct BigAnge. But, Ron Paul is hardly an idioit. First, he was a doctor. Second, he is the only Republican in the Presidential race with principles. He says we should not be dragged into foreign conflicts, that is what Republicans used to say until their party was taken over by neo-Cons and theo-Cons (like MM). He, unlike MM, also thinks that the Constitution was not repealed after 9/11.
English: First, we were involved in Iraq in 2001 (remember Clinton’s no fly zones). Second, we have supported authoritarian leaders in the Middle East (Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Saddam (in the 1980s), Jordan) for a long time and had military bases in Saudi Arabia that really got under OBL’s skin.
Do I think al Quida is going to change if we were to leave the US completely? No. Do I support anything they have done? Of course not. But, the way to beat the terrorists is to continue to have an open, democratic society and not let Rudy scare us into giving up our freedoms.
MikeB:
As far as I know - we still have an open, democratic society.
As to ‘giving up our freedoms’ - please explain which freedoms we’ve given up and how Giuliani is promoting any loss in liberty?
C.A.I.R. stands for
Can’t Acknowledge Islamic Terrorism
screwed that up … had 2 things to post and mixed them … where’s that coffee? …
Meant …
Can’t Acknowledge Islamic Radicalism
GRRRR … what a way to start the day …
DesertLover,
I had that kind of day Yesterday! Know what you mean.
Just ignore MikeB. I have now learned you cannot argue when someone has deaf ears.
He is attempting to change our viewpoints and it ain’t workin’.
He needs to go to the CNN blogs and post proudly next to his liberal constituents.
People need to just stop listening. What do they have now, just over one thousand members?
Asking us not to use the term ‘Islamic Terrorism’ is like that goofy judge recently who told a sexual assault victim that she couldn’t use the term ‘rape’ during the trial - she had to say ’sex’ or ‘intercourse’ - and the prosecution was barred from using the term ’sexual assault kit’.
Absolute lunacy.
Most Muslims aren’t terrorist. Most terrorists are Muslim. Not that hard of a concept.
“continue having a open democratic society….” will cure terrorism?
I don’t think so.
Nothing works against terrorism except KILLING EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEM.
Sad to say, but it IS the only way to stop their destruction and madness.
Agreed, Gayle.
I’ve always like the quote: (paraphrased)
“Nobody ever won a war dying for his country….they won by making the other poor bastard die for his”
Yeah, Patton usually hit the nail on the head. That’s a great quote.
LOL, That’s not all he “hit on the head”
What about Clinton’s illegal and scandalous activities?
The “Clinton Body Count” here.
The “Clinton Legacy” here.
and Good Morning to all……
MikeB,
We’ve been at war with Islamic extremists for over 200 years. Nothing we did or didn’t do in the Middle East had anything to do with it. All we did was declare our independence from Britain.
Correction: The “Clinton Body Count” here.
Why do we never hear about anyone suing CAIR? Any chance we could get a John Doe from the US Air flight to step up and sue CAIR for a kabillion dollars for mental anguish?
Or at the very least, the Giuliani campaign blog should encourage all of thier supporters to call CAIR and tell them to STFU.
Once again MikeB totally skirts the issue at hand to bring the subject back to the war in Iraq.
And better yet, to campaign for a truther.
*yawn*
Going to have to do better than that troll.
As far as CAIR going after Guilliani… wow.. that’s a surprise…not. They will be going after everyone who even hints that America should be concerned about terrorism. Expect much more stupidity and probably some more politically correct lawsuits before the 2008 elections.
Gayle—on your #13 agreed
You know in the Marines Hymn “From the Halls of Montezuma to the Shores of Tripoli? Google; Barbary pirates. We have been fighting islamic extremism since 1801. These jihadist will never stop until we submit. Marines kicked A$$ then and we kick A$$ now!!!!!!!!!!!
Gayle–meant # 15 sorry
Gayle–I can’t count this morning, I mean, agreed on #11.
jose
JRL: I go back to Pres. Bush and the worst AG in our history Alberto Gonzalez. You know Al who tried to get John Ashcroft to re-authorize an illegal domestic wiretapping scheme in place? The one who may be subject to perjury charges? (But, I digress.) With domestic spying, politicizing the US Attys, illegal detentions, signing statements, abuse of executive privilege (which should only apply to the President’s conversations, not the entire executive branch) and so on, the Bush/Cheney/Gonzalez regime is a threat to our freedom. All principled Conservatives (if there are any left besides Ron Paul) would concur.
Gayle, I do listen to everything you say. I hope you do the same.
Where is Patton when we need him? Wish someone would make a new movie about him fighting the terrorists! That would be a real PC buster and VERY refreshing!
Between the first attempt at bombing the WTC in 1993 and the bombing of the USS Cole in 2000 there were 24 “major” Islamic Terrorist actions around the world. Some of them were prevented or simply failed, while others killed and injured large numbers of people. Some were “dry runs” testing their plans for 9/11.
I also don’t think I need to remind any of you who the President was through all of that … and he did nothing to go after those responsible for the attacks on this country.
Here are just the ones that were directed at the USA or were “dry runs” for USA planned attacks.
* January 25, 1993: Mir Aimal Kansi, a Pakistani, fired an AK-47 into cars waiting at a stoplight in front of the Central Intelligence Agency headquarters in Virginia, killing two CIA employees.
* February 26, 1993: Islamic terrorists try to bring down the World Trade Center with car bombs. They failed to destroy the buildings, but killed 6 and injured over 1000 people.
* December 11, 1994: A bomb explodes on board Philippine Airlines Flight 434, killing a Japanese businessman. It develops that Ramzi Yousef planted the bomb to test it for the larger terrorist attack he is planning. (9/11)
* December 24, 1994: In a preview of September 11, Air France Flight 8969 is hijacked by Islamic terrorists who planned to crash the plane into the
Eiffel Tower in Paris. (Sound familiar?)
* January 6, 1995: Operation Bojinka, an Islamist plot to bomb 11 U.S. airliners over the Pacific Ocean, is discovered on a laptop computer in a Manila, Philippines apartment by authorities after a fire occurred in the apartment. Noted terrorists including Ramzi Yousef and Khalid Shaikh Mohammed are involved in the plot. (Recognize those names?)
* June 25, 1996: The Khobar Towers bombing, carried out by Hezbollah with Iranian support. Nineteen U.S. servicemen were killed and 372 wounded.
* February 24, 1997: An armed man opens fire on tourists at an observation deck atop the Empire State Building in New York City, United States, killing a Danish national and wounding visitors from several countries. A handwritten note carried by the gunman claims this was a punishment attack against the “enemies of Palestine”.
* December 1998: Jordanian authorities foil a plot to bomb American and Israeli tourists in Jordan, and arrest 28 suspects as part of the 2000 millennium attack plots.
* December 14, 1998: Ahmed Ressam is arrested on the United States–Canada border in Port Angeles, Washington; he confessed to planning to bomb the Los Angeles International Airport as part of the 2000 millennium attack plots.
* January 2000: The last of the 2000 millennium attack plots fails, as the boat meant to bomb the USS Sullivan sinks.
* October 12, 2000: AL Qaeda bombs the USS Cole with explosive-laden speedboat, killing 17 US sailors and wounding 40, off the port coast of Aden, Yemen.
Between 1993 and 2000, everyone who was paying any attention knew that the threat from Islamic terrorism was grave and getting worse. The catastrophic losses that occurred on September 11, 2001, could just as easily have happened in 1993, when the first plot to destroy the World Trade Center was carried off successfully, but the terrorists had miscalculated the effect of their explosives, or in 1995, when the plot to destroy eleven American airplanes in flight was thwarted by counter-intelligence work in the Philippines.
What did the Clinton administration do in response to this grave threat?
Essentially nothing.
Worse, Clinton tried to sweep the problem under the rug, lest it disrupt the surface calm and prosperity for which he was eager to claim credit.
Gregory, I agree with you: Clinton did not hire the most clean administration either and his pardoning was a disgrace. That’s one of the reasons I support Barack.
well said rlongenbach and josetheguerilla, I’ve been pointing folks to the barbary pirates for years now when they try to claim we somehow started the problem with terrorism.
Greg, I believe we should be consistent, that’s why it makes me furious that conservative critics of Clinton’s Bosnia policy and Clinton now say that those who criticize Bush and his Iraq policy are traitors and unAmerican.
I apologize to everyone for that long post of the terrorist attacks … but I am so tired of people blaming the current president for all of the Radical Islamic Terrorists … (it’s been around for 100s of years) … I don’t think anyone could look at that list of attacks and honestly say this administration is the reason the terrorists hate America …
Thanks for your patience in at least looking at some of that post …
MikeB:
Once again you go on and on but cannot answer my question:
“please explain which freedoms we’ve given up and how Giuliani is promoting any loss in liberty?”
Citing the Bush Administration issues, as you did, does not answer the question which freedoms we have given up. Have you had your phone tapped? Have you been limited in your freedom?
And - show me where Rudy has promoted YOU or I losing our liberties?
Try to stay within the framework of these questions when answering and avoid your liberal side-stepping.
Desertlover - your post was spot-on and highlights what many don’t know or refuse to acknowledge.
No apology necessary, as far as I’m concerned.
jrlingreenbay
Thanks … I just reach a point where I want to shove the facts down some people’s throats on occasion and it ends up being a lengthy post … I sometimes feel a lot of people don’t ever take the time to read a long entry …
Desertlover -
True words are not measured by length, only content.
JRL: “A threat to freedom anywhere is a threat to freedom everywhere.” No, to my knowledge, my phones were not tapped. But, other American citizens’ phones were without a warrant. Tell me what part of losing our 4th Amendment rights don’t you understand?
Illegal torture or detention is not a threat to me but is a threat to a person who was in the wrong place at the wrong time but committed no acts of terrorism. See, we in the US value due process and rights of the accused (even for Muslims). A loss of freedom for a Muslim in the custody of the US, is a loss of freedom for an American. (As much as some of you here would like to kill all Muslims)
As far as Bush’s “issues,” those are a loss of freedom as well. Our founding fathers, especially Madison, warned that a constant “state of war” without oversight by Congress results in monarchy. If such power was not a problem, then we would not have fought the American Revolution. I thought that was about securing our liberty, etc.
I have now answered your question, if you miss it, you’re not paying attention.
I can remember a time when these “Bush issues” would be revolting to conservaties, apparantly the “Young Turks” of MM, Coulter, and Hannity have hijacked your movement and made you forget what conservative principles are.
Since this thread is about CAIR trying to intimidate by telling us what we can / cannot say…and how this ties in with John Doe…. I’ll post an off topic link with your permission Michelle, but it relates. ( Also posted on another thread, but that one’s dying ):
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070726/ap_on_re_us/immigration_sheriff_2
The illegal immigrant crowd’s version of intimidation of vigilant citizens continues…..
I now return to being more directly on-topic.
I personally don’t think ANY of us here want to kill all Muslim’s, That’s absurd.
MikeB: ( Forgive any context errors as I am trying to type while laughing )
“But, other American citizens’ phones were without a warrant.”
- Who? Give us examples - and context. If these people’s phones were tapped - were they in contact with suspected terrorist elements outside the US or not?
” A loss of freedom for a Muslim in the custody of the US, is a loss of freedom for an American. (As much as some of you here would like to kill all Muslims)”
- I don’t feel any less free because of the prisoners in Gitmo or Abu Gharaib. I feel safer. What part of ‘enemy combatant’ and captured on the battlefield or plotting or funding terrorism do YOU fail to understand?
- Who here wants to kill all Muslims? Find the quote and please reference it.
I still want to know, by example, how YOUR freedom has been infringed upon. Or, if you have SPECIFIC EXAMPLES based on factual evidence of such, please list. Hearsay and speculation are not evidence.
Desertlover-thanks for the long entry. Some people want to forget all these attacks and blame America for the work of jihadist. They want to give every terroist an ACLU lawyer and help force jihadi culture on us to make America more PC. That is truly unamerican.
Semper Fi’
Is anyone else CONCERNED about Fred Thompson’s NEW Pan-Islamist Campaign Manager, Spencer Abraham ???
He has a STRONG pro-Islamic background. Check out http://www.debbieschlussel.com/
I could just see the CIA agents hanging themselves like that old lady in the movie “Airplane” if they were tapping MikeB’s Telephone.
MikeB,
I glad you read what others post.
Bush has nothing to do with terrorism.
Fanatics do.
Let’s repeat; all together now!
“We the USA have nothing to do with the TERRORIST ACTIONS!”
Would you blame YOUR WIFE/GF/COMPANION if she was RAPED? No, the rapist.
Oh, that’s right….you’re a liberal.
Sit down and have a rational discussion with a rapist/pedophile. Have a “thoughful” conversation. Works like a charm.
Maybe this will assist in your warped thinking.
josetheguerilla
Thanks … that was much of my point … and I doubt most realized that CAIR came into being right after the 1993 Worl Trade Center attacks … can anyone say “Damage Control” … after all … the “R” is for “Relations” …
Rudy refused aid money from the Saudi’s after 9/11 … he saw though that offer as an obvious attempt to buy the good people of NYC off … the Saudi’s have never forgiven that affront to their “honor” …
much like Chavez and his heating oil deal …
as P.T. Barnum said … one born every minute …
Using my teaching skills…..making is ABC for those with learning disabilities;
You know, simple comparisons.
making it…..typo again.
Like taking a gift from the rapist/molester of you child/wife, etc.
gayle
is this deja vu all over again from yesterday … LOL
DL, LOL!
Give this older than dirt woman some credit! At least I am a true diehard convervative!!!!!!!!! LOL!
#45 ajmontana said:
“I could just see the CIA agents hanging themselves like that old lady in the movie “Airplane” if they were tapping MikeB’s Telephone.”
ROFLMAO
jrlingreenbay
or to paraphrase an old Cheech and Chong routine:
“Mike? Mike’s not here”
LOL….
” HEY…whatever you do, DON’T ANSWER THE PHONE!!….The phone is bugged!!!”
“Hey, man, is that you? We’ve got a bomb-making class tonight, you coming?”
That’s truly hilarious, MikeB lecturing about “conservative principles” like he would even know what they are. If “conservative principles” mean anything to you, you would not be even considering supporting Obama, or anyone else on the socialist side.
MikeB believes in Marxist principles like whatever you might have earned through your hard work to support your family, there is someone else who didn’t earn it but deserves it more, and he’s more than happy to take what’s yours and give it away to make himself feel better.
Obama doesn’t think Homeland Security and Border Security are connected in any way. You support that for Commander in Chief? You support government looking the other way when confronted by threats to national security, or the safety of our allies? You support for President a man who cannot bring himself to vote for providing training, ammo, Mine Resistant Ambush Proof vehicles and body armour to the troops fighting to protect us all?
Your reference to Michelle as a proponent of theocracy is just more proof that you are an hyperventilating, exaggerating partisan hack propagandist.
What’s your real name, Howard Dean?
I’m beginning to think it’s more like Howard Cosell…….
I admit some of your posts are funny. I love the thing about the old lady in Airplane. But, usually my phone calls are nothing to talk about.
JRL, I realize now that you are not really interested in debating issues. Asking for specific evidence regarding specific people–Come on? The FISA is all about secrecy. Only the most insider of insiders is aware whose phone was tapped, when and why. I just know what I read. I also can read Supreme Court opinions finding Bush’s detention regime to be unconstitutional. Perhaps you work for the NSC or the CIA and know more than we all do.
Gayle, no Bush is not a terrorist–although polls in Europe and the Middle East say otherwise. But Bush is doing his level best to screw up the “war on terror.” I won’t go into the whole thing but not “staying the course”, “not finishing the job”, “cutting and running” from Afghanistan where al Quida was headquartered and diverting our resources to Iraq was the best gift a terrorist could get besides an AK-47 and a million virgins.
MikeB:
Finally a shred of honesty!
“Only the most insider of insiders is aware whose phone was tapped, when and why. I just know what I read.”
That first statement being true, how can anyone argue about an infringement on their rights? Anyone NOT in the loop is riding on pure speculation based on, as you said, ‘what I read’.
And what exactly do you read? Where are the stories about ‘trampling of civil liberties’? Most if not all of them are in liberally biased outlets such as the NY Times, Washington Post and others…as well as visual news outlets such as CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBC, CBS.
You’ve pretty much admitted that you are basing your comments and attitudes, not on personal experience, but on hearsay from outlets which most likely have been consistently targeting this administration and its response to terrorism threats.
There, in my mind, is only one thing more disgusting than CAIR and that is the politicians (all liberal dimocrats by the way) that lend them credibility by even speaking to them.
Off topic (sorry): MikeB. Can you once make your point without insulting out hostess? She is showing some great patience with you but you really bring some of the negative comments on by doing such a thing. You accused me once of wanting to censor you. You are entitled to your opinion here (even as bass-ackwards as it is at times) but you really need to rethink your personal attacks – IMHO.
Again, my apologies.
On my soapbox, I do thank MM for giving me this platform. I even figured out how she does it:
I now know how MM does her blogs: (1) Find a mentally deranged person who commits a crime. (2) If he had immigration issues–write a story about how the US is under seige by illegal aliens. (2) If he is a Muslim–write a story about how the US is under seige by Muslim, even if a US citizen. (Of course, don’t treat them the way you want to be treated–call them Muslim not “American” remember you who said, “Besides, I’m an American not Asian.” But an American Muslim is not an American he is a Muslim). (3) If he ever said anything anti-war lump him in with all liberals as being “unhinged” a “traitor” or “unpatriotic.” (Of course, criticizing a Democrat President in times of war (Bosnia) is just fine and patriotic.) (4) If he is none of the above ignore the story, that way your wing nut readers will think all our criminals are Mexicans, Muslims, or liberals.
What is that supposed to mean? Are you saying Liberals do not believe rapists are evil and the victim is at fault?
Completely untrue and I’m shocked you would make such an analogy.
You mean…. all criminals are NOT Mexican, Muslims or liberals???????
I’m shocked!!! You hear me? Shocked???
MikeB…back to your bridge, troll…the goats are crossing.
On July 26th, 2007 at 12:01 pm, jrlingreenbay said:
So essentially “everybody but FOX” is what you are saying?
Yes, Dark Knight that is what he’s saying. Even though it is okay to feature NBC reports when it helps your side as MM did yesterday. And you know Fox–8% of the time on Iraq; 24% on Anna Nichole owned by Hillary contributor Rupert Murdoch.
Suprise. You’re wrong again.
No cutting and running from Afghanistan, we just brought in the international help on the ground from our allies that you liberals have been squealing about since John F’n Kerry’s “Global Test”. does this sound like cut and run Democrat policy to you?
These are the headlines from the Afghanistan section of the Defenselink site, which can be found here, if you are interested in what’s really happening there and not just vomiting Howard Dean e-mail blasts full of DNC talking points.
Dark Knight;
I was “speaking to MIKE”, about Mike.
Reading comprehension skills - next lesson. TIME: 1:00 PM EST
Oh by the way, you should spell our enemy correctly, which is Al Queda
Then why the term “liberal” to describe such a belief? Why not say “Oh, you’re MikeB?”
HIS LIBERAL THINKING.
How hard is that??????????
Brian72
There are 2 correct spellings … unfortunately neither is the one you posted … fingercheck maybe?
Al Qaeda
Al Qaida
Is anyone OTHER than DK and MikeBS getting my point?
Did I clarify my comments?
(I thought so.) THANK YOU.
It’s not liberal thinking, gayle, to blame a victim for a rape.
Ah HA! BINGO!
That’s right, so why BLAME THE US for terrorists’ actions??????????
waiting……………….red ink pen in my hand.
Speechless huh?
It is my belief that many people, liberals included, believe a War On Terror is possible while still preserving the integrity of the United States. This is why people fight against Warrentless Wire Tapping, confinement without charges, etc.
Again, a rape analogy to describe liberal thinking is nonsense.
Ok, I’ll take the bait…… Lets hear your pathetic case for why a rape victim should ever be to blame for the rape?????
Yeah, I was a little quick on the draw with the spelling. As long as they’re turned into smoking greasy craters in the ground, the spelling can be edited later:)
Does anyone else here think we’ve “cut and run” from Afghanistan? That’s just Howard Dean word games. Political hackery, in no way related to the real effort by our military, our NATO partners, and the Afghans who want to be free and will fight to stay that way.
So how do we control the war on terror Dark Knight??????
Give me the liberals’ point of view.
Slumber parties, confessionals, let’s do lunch, etc., and I’ll TRY to understand YOUR point of view.
Not the change the subject, but why can’t we go on the offense with these enemies amongst us? Why is it we got sidetracked with whether the Flying Imams have the right to sue their whistle blowers when we should have been charging them with terrorism, by intentionally and literally scaring to death dozens of people trapped in an airplane with them? We need to delegitimzed and ban CAIR from the US.
Isn’t it time we start demanding legislation that makes it a crime punishable by time in prison, to carry a fake bomb on a plane? Why can’t we charge people of the crime of “testing the waters” on a plane?
If I can’t cry fire in a crowded theater, no one should be able get away with fakery in this war were in. It is obvious that the underground terrorists among us have every intention of using our planes to perpetuate their jihadist activities.
We need new tougher laws and people that are determined to stop them.
gayle
Actually I took it as a metaphor (or was it a simile) of the tendency to make the perpetrator of an act the victim by some of our liberal friends … the rape comparison may have been a bit abstract but I think I understood what you were alluding to … am I close?
Oh, I forgot to add that Liberals rape the citizens everyday in this country.
They are attempting to take our rights away as individuals and collectively consume our minds and our freedoms.
Desert Lover,
Yes. It was an analogy.
Nothing hurts our souls as much as a rape/murder of our women and children, on a personal level.
If MOST liberals can use that same analogy when defending TERRORISTS, then maybe they can draw the correct conclusion.
Terrorist want to take all of our lives. What is more important than that? That should make them as angry as anything ….like a rape/murdering a loved one.
gayle
AHHHH … analogy … it’s all so confusing at times … lol …
This should have been simple by Conservative standards, if you catch my drift.
Liberal Point of View:
No need to do anything…. Its all a Bush Administration ploy to scare people into allowing Bush to change the constitution and declare himself king. Remember its all just a ‘Bumper sticker slogan’. Duh!
Gayle, your point is proved because liberals don’t get it.
Gayle, First of all, you demonstrate what a steady diet of Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter, and Malkin can do to a person. By your reasoning, we can never hold our leaders accountable for anything. The Bushies like to boast that there have been no new domestic terrorist attacks. But, if the terrorists are responsible for the attacks then the Bush administration can’t claim any credit now can they?
And also, Gayle, unlike you, I don’t make personal attacks. So I won’t even address the “if my wife was raped” thing.
Yeah, like the liberal candidates, still waiting for THEIR solution.
Just keep waiting and a GOP will win for certain!
Oh, now it’s a personal attack?
L*I*B*E*R*A*L mentality.
Answer the question posed above.
SOLUTION?
gayle
Across the last 15 or so years the only “Solution” I have heard about that was associated with a liberal ended up on a Blue Dress …
IF, I believe, would be a hypothetical.
Desert, did you know it’s name-calling if you use a hypothetical analogy??
Mmmmmmmmm…….
gayle
am I allowed to paraphrase?
If the hypothesis fits wear it …
One person’s analogy is another person’s chronology …
is that ok????
IF you cannot read, you may be illiterate.
IF you do not work, you probably have no money.
IF your gutters are full of pine needles, they MUST need to be cleaned.
IF IF IF
Desert, still waiting for the solution, arent’ you???? LOL!
gayle,
Trying to reason with MikeB (and maybe DarkNight) is a waste of time.
BTW, the RagingRep got it right:
What gets me is that the liberals talk like that and yet they expect elections in ‘08! So, which is it? Is Bush really making himself a dictator, or is it all LLL rhetorical crap?
oops again! YOUR FAULT DESERT!
Aren’t ………..LOL!
Dang that punctuation anyway!
Yeah, what the hay! LOL!
On July 26th, 2007 at 12:48 pm, MikeB said: And also, Gayle, unlike you, I don’t make personal attacks. So I won’t even address the “if my wife was raped” thing.
It’s a personal attack when they cannot answer a question.
Let’s try once more:
SOLUTION TO TERRORIST; LIBERAL PERSPECTIVE
CAIR … the poor islamic terrorists ACLU …
Must be calling Michael Moore……
MikeB said,
” If he is none of the above ignore the story, that way your wing nut readers will think all our criminals are Mexicans, Muslims, or liberals.”
Isn’t calling MM’s reader’s wing nut’s a personal attack?
I took it as one…. but ignored it til now…..lmao
Hey MikeB you 9-11 truther you
“How about Guiliani trying to cheap score political points when Ron Paul pointed out that we were attacked for meddling in Middle Eastern affairs (which is what OBL and others have said)?”
The minute I read this I thought ok the guy loves Ron Paul and is listening to dead ol OBL and I really just need to say you have lost your freakin mind and my favorite saying America love her or leave her, oh and take Ron Paul and Michael Moore and DKos with you.
No answer = don’t know, brain cell battery is dead, OR don’t want to ’cause I am pouting!!!!
I would ROFL but it is too true and it makes me sad.
Gayle, I have a solution to terrorism, but I don’t want to take up too much space here or I will be accused, once again, of hijacking this string.
If you have the solution, then you should run for the presidency.
Please enlighten us here.
On-my-soap-box
Didn’t mean to make you sad …
Wow - so much chatter while I was away at lunch….
I’ll simply respond to DarkKnight #64:
I do not think that everyone OTHER than Fox is liberal. But no logical person, looking at editorials and research into their manner of reporting can assert that the major networks SUCH AS: CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC, and newspapers like the NYT & Washington Post are anything but liberally slanted.
Can you name me anyone OTHER than FOX who comes from more of a conservative standpoint when it comes to television news outlets?
There are a number of newspapers around the country that have more conservative editorial views.
My point was, that individuals who get their news solely or primarily from these liberally leaning news sources are the ones who claim that all our liberties are being taken away. They base this, as MikeB did, on ‘what he’s read’, and I’m presuming, what he’s heard.
I know of no official news story where and individual has come forward and said “My rights have been taken away” and been able to prove there is a concerted effort to eliminate our liberties. ( And I am not talking about individuals suspected of either acting / conspiring / funding / assisting terrorist activities )
I’m talking about ordinary citizens.
If you can point us to proof, not just hearsay and speculation, please enlighten us.
On July 26th, 2007 at 1:41 pm, MikeB said: ” Gayle, I have a solution to terrorism, but I don’t want to take up too much space here or I will be accused, once again, of hijacking this string.”
Didn’t John Kerry use something along those lines as an excuse in 2004 when asked for his plan?
( Paraphrasing )” I have a plan, and I’ll talk about that plan once I become President”.
Still waiting……(yawn)
Ok, here is my plan: (1)Move some of the troops from the interior of Baghdad to the borders to seal it off. Let the Iraqis have their civil war if they want it or let them work it out themselves; (2) Move a sufficient force from Iraq to Afghanistan and Pakistan and “finish the job” (with NATO) on al Quida and the Taliban; (3) Have stronger border enforcement and airport security; (4) Deport illegals who commit crimes; (5) Yes, support what you call “shamisty.” We need to monitor the 15 million or whatever illegals are in here to protect us from terrorism; (6) Follow the British model of fighting domestic terrorism, that works. That is, win the trust of Islamic communities and have good community policing. You do that by not demonizing Muslims every chance you get (hear that MM, but if she did that, 50% of this site would disappear).
Sorry, but it isn’t working for the British. WHY?
Because the Muslim population is tremendous.
Hence the attacks.
Cannot leave Iraq even IF we wanted to…..do you want IRAN taking over that country and having to go back again?
Hmmm…MikeB:
(1)Move some of the troops from the interior of Baghdad to the borders to seal it off. Let the Iraqis have their civil war if they want it or let them work it out themselves;
- How many troops would you move? You anticipate being able to seal all of Iraq’s borders with only SOME of our troops? And what of the rest? They remain in Baghdad with a smaller number ripe for attack without sufficient support?
(2) Move a sufficient force from Iraq to Afghanistan and Pakistan and “finish the job” (with NATO) on al Quida and the Taliban;
- So, now we’ve got SOME of our soldiers sealing off Iraq. SOME in Baghdad. And the rest in Afghanistan &…what you say? Pakistan? Have we invaded Pakistan? Have we been invited into Pakistan?
(3) Have stronger border enforcement and airport security;
- Score One for MikeB
(4) Deport illegals who commit crimes;
- Score Two for MikeB
(5) Yes, support what you call “shamisty.” We need to monitor the 15 million or whatever illegals are in here to protect us from terrorism;
- So you want us to monitor these 15 million people AFTER we give them amnesty because we need to protect ourselves from terrorism….insinuating that some of those who we just granted amnesty to may be trying to harm us?
Ok… deduct one point from you score.
(6) Follow the British model of fighting domestic terrorism, that works. That is, win the trust of Islamic communities and have good community policing. You do that by not demonizing Muslims every chance you get (hear that MM, but if she did that, 50% of this site would disappear).
- Yeah, it works…which is why the UK has been struck several times since 9/11 and we haven’t, right?
And, for the record, discussing the terrorist and criminal actions of people, whether they are Muslim, Mexican, or any other ethnicity or religion is not demonization. What would you like to see here?
NEWSFLASH: A Muslim Citizen saved a kitten stuck in a tree today, proving that not all of them are bad.
MM reports on what is newsworthy.
From a Reuters news story just released about the killing of 50 Taliban fighters in Afghanistan by Coalition troops:
“The Taliban, who are leading an insurgency against the government and foreign troops, could not be reached for comment and because of the remoteness of the region there was no independent verification of the report.”
Are you kidding me? We now have news agencies trying to contact enemy terrorists and insurgents for confirmation of our military strikes & battles?
This adds another definition to Webster’s entry under “Nutroots”
jrlingreenbay in #120
They have always contacted them … where do you think they keep getting those outrageous numbers of women and children that were killed in an attack … ????
Hey MikeBuh Buh Buh Beeeeeeeee! Top o the Califas morning to you, My Fellow Traveller!
First, let me ask you, are you romantically involved with Mrs. Paul, and you are tail covering by heaping praise on the aluminum clotted Mr. Paul?
Just curious. So much zeal for Mr. Paul I figured you were sweet on the Mrs.
And then there is the matter of “domestic spying”. That is what the New York Times called it. However, the technical details do not amount to “domestic spying”. But the “lie” has become your platform on this issue.
Also, Alberto Gonzalez is not the worst AG in history. We can easily save that label for John Mitchell under Nixon. When you spout garbage that *Makes No Sense* people tend to not take you seriously. Take it from me. I spout silliness all the time in the face of all this dire news of the day…and I am not taken very seriously. But you spout garbage. Take a closer look at yourself, Dude.
And my final point is this: Osama Bin Chili Dog attacked the USA because he could. He attacked the USS Cole because he could. He attacked the US embassies because he could. He is convinced that violence will drive the US out of everywhere he wants us to leave because his brain is stuck in the time warp where the belief is that the US is an imperial power. Imperial power ended with the defeat of the Axis Powers in WW2.
In case you hadn’t noticed, the number of representative democracies has increased by 5 factors of 10 since the end of WW2. Imperialism doesn’t do that. Call these new democracies what you will, the way that Lefties have to rename everything in order to push Marxist Mayo down our gullets, but they are better functioning that anything Hugo “Jugo” Chavez has cooking in Venezuela or Castro in Cuba or Help Me I am Mentally Ill in North Korea.
So can the polemic about Paul, and Rudy being this and being that. It’s nonsense and you know it. Rudy is a New York Pol. Quack Quack. Ron Paul is a senile phony with one last wad to shoot before he gets tossed out of political life on his keester like that carney jester from Cleveland with the trophy wife.
Tell ya what. let’s have a spelling contest among all the presidential candidates and the best speller will be the next prez. they are all so corrupt and inept that it might be the best way to shake that bag of fleas out so we can get on with having a national life.
before i let you go, i’ll wager you that Alberto Gonzalez gets off scot free because Chuck “The Seltzer Salesman” Schumer and Pat “Pork Me” Leahy will drown in their own saliva over the prospects of frying an attorney general. And i will bet further that Alberto’s retirement package makes Schumer and Leahy’s look like the kettle of a Salvation Army Santa outside a synagogue.
Now go put your maid’s outfit on and get back to work for Mrs. Paul. Isn’t she in the frozen fish biz?
( Polite Golf-Course Applause for bear1909 )
No, I haven’t laid eyes on Mrs. Paul, but I understand she can do great things with fish sticks. If we want to arbitrarily decide the president, why not best trophy wife–the finalists: DennisK, FredT, and Hillary.
LMAO @ Beary funny!!!!!
What a way with words. My imagination was running wild!
How about this for a ticket:
Ron Paul / John Kerry
That way, at State Dinners they can serve fish sticks and Heinz tartar sauce.
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!
Pass the keg around!
Why not a ticket of Rudy Guiliani and Ron Paul? Call it Ru Paul.
Good One MikeB ! (gee, I hate paying him a compliment!)
lol..the Ru Paul ticket…interesting.
Rudy’s already got the drag outfit..
( and the crowd goes ‘Oooooooooohhh’ )
Don’t forget the Thompson Twins: Fred and Tommy.
LOL…Easy Campaign song there…
“Hold me now…..Whoa-oh.. Warm my heart!”
Eeeeeewwwwwwwwwwww
LOL Jrl
Awwww shucks! I was jes funnin with the Boy…..Bears have been known to chase and eat golfers out here….just thot i’d mention it.
GAWD! The Thompson Twins!!!! lol hoo yaww….i was living in Southern Illinois when they were famous…workin at the University there in some godforsaken desk job and pursuing “education for hire”. You’d hear this TT type music on the popular radio stations, blaring out across the southern 7 counties where the entire population has may seven full sets of teeth….shiver me timbers!
My last year down there was during Gulf War 1. A little blast from the past.
It’s nap time, Chilluns. Yaw be coo’!
This is Bear 1909 from Berkeley California. OUT!
Image: Big ol Bear sackin out on the glider with a boat drink in his paw, overlookin the SFO Bay and a head on shot of the Golden Gate Bridge. Sun is out. 73 degrees.
Geez Bear, get to the ballpark…..Barry’s playin tonight!
yawn….strrrrrrrrrrrretccchhhh….i can see the park from here ajmontana.
No amount of fog and cold wet air is worth it to see that Prima Dona Lyin Cheat swing his bat.
I go back a long way with the Giants…saw Clemente and Stargell play their first games at Candlestick. Saw Juan “I peetch a pritty gooball” Marichal club Johnny Roseboro. Shook Captain Willie’s leathery hand more than once while watching batting practic on the dugout roof (no security risks back then).
Real ballplayers doing things the hard way. Barry’s pretty far gone. He’s in a tough spot. But he isn’t a hero. So i don’t plunk down greenbacks to see him do his thing. His dad was a helluva ballplayer. Something got into Barry’s bean and mucked up the family name.
I mean no offense. I just don’t pay to watch fraud. Don’t go to Raider games since Alzado came clean about his roid use. And I love the Raiders. I just don’t give the NFL my money anymore.
I had a great childhood watching the greats through the late late 50s 60s and early 70s (Reggie Jackson in Oakland). Doin it the hard way.
I see MikeB, famous attorney of blogs, is back talkin’ to us (yep, misspelled, Mikey) his talkin’ points to bore me into a comatose state with his superior intellect. Yep, you’re real swell, Mike. Where are your clients who you need to bill instead of bloggin’?
I won’t feed the troll but once today, but I do want to expose Mikey’s predictable talkin’ points (which is why I now scroll past when I seen his moniker). Here is a partial list of his outline (no, wonder boy, am not quoting you):
-Inserts “war in Iraq” frequently
-Bush is evil
-Gonzales is evil
-Bush/Cheney/Golzales are evil
-We are in Iraq for the oil
-Cheney is evil
-Murdoch is evil
-Fox News is evil (with percentage points and blather about Anna Nichole)
…see a trend?
-Conservatives are evil unless they debate him as that makes them more open minded
-Frequent insults about Hannity,Rush, Ann Coulter, etc. “hijacking” us
-Regular, daily insults about Michelle who he refers to a “MM” (who laughs at him as much as I do)
-Bush cut and run from the real threat: bin Laden
-We are in Iraq for the wrong reasons
-Bush lied. People died
-Culture of corruption
-Clinton was the greatest
-I am voting for Barak–so impressive
Wash.Rinse.Repeat.Repeat.Repeat.
I have been working (yes, I also finished college and have degrees!!) and have not had time to read your blather today so, perhaps, you have had an epiphany and are not spewing your Fahrenheit 911 points and I missed that moment in history.
I have a question for you, MikeB, if you don’t like Michelle Malkin and the good that she does, why are you here? To sway us to the other side? Er, don’t think that will work in this crowd.
Actually, don’t bother answering as it is obvious why you are here—to stir the pot (you lawyers just luv to argue) and, usually, get off topic to hammer home your liberal, stooopid views about the war in Iraq.
(Yes, Michael, I added THREE ooo’s this time). Ah kin spel.
No one minds your political views—even though we have heard most of them several times quoted from more famous people than you. So I will look for your name when I have the next bout of insomnia.
I, for one, am tired of your constantly cutting down Michelle who is, in my humble opinion, one of the best Americans today. She believes in freedom, protecting our borders from the tsunami of illegals (who, by the way, increase crime and have nearly destroyed our health care system—something Michael Moore seems to have missed). She also supports our soldiers in Iraq and their mission. So shove off if you continue in this vein.
I hear ya bear, but I still love my baseball…enjoy you’re evening…..
LOL Lindsay, deep breaths..123, deep breaths….
Thanks, I feel better now.
yw
you too ‘tana…i love watchin my nine year old cub switch hit without any formal training…drives the baseball dads nuts as they curse their kids under the breath because they can’t quite do it…..ah heck…let em hit the dang thing however they can…they’re only 9.
Lindsay is a hoot.
Mikey Buh Buh Buh Beeeeee! You’ve been snorting Pelosi Galore’s Botox again now haventcha? ewwwwww!!!!! She’s on YOUR side! Her and Gavin The Gruesome, Mr Sanctuary City himself.
Time to pull the plug on the freak show!
Mikey. You know we love you. But damnation, Boy! Why must you toss your little rubber biscuits at the battleships?
Time for some yoga, Dude.
Image: A very large bear doin the downward dawg. LMAO!!!!!
If airports want to place Islamic foot baths for Muslims, that is their choice. I’m anti-Giuliani. He is hardcore police state, hardcore pro-police even if they beat you up, he is pro-gay, pro-abortion, have anti-black views and pro-drag queen. What a guy he is.
Off the topic and sorry to disrupt!
To Deacon fans;
Wake Forest University basketball coach - aged 56 died. I believe he was jogging and had a massive heart attack.
A true oss for the ACC.
that should read, “LOSS”.
Dangit. Can I get one post correct without an error?!?!?
Gayle, I am sorry about the WF coach, he will be missed by the ACC and many people.
Here is another man who died too young and knew how CAIR operates. Doug Marlette was a syndicated cartoonist who died in a car crash last month.
Here is what he wrote about CAIR after he (who considered himself an equal opportunity offender) drew a cartoon that offended the easily offended religion of peace:
“Can you say “fatwa”? My newspaper, The Tallahassee Democrat, and I received more than 20,000 e-mails demanding an apology for misrepresenting the peace-loving religion of the Prophet Mohammed — or else. Some spelled out the “else”: death, mutilation, Internet spam. “I will cut your fingers and put them in your mother’s ass.” “What you did, Mr. Dog, will cost you your life. Soon you will join the dogs . . . hahaha in hell.” “Just wait . . . we will see you in hell with all jews . . . .” The onslaught was orchestrated by an organization called the Council on American-Islamic Relations. CAIR bills itself as an “advocacy group.” I was to discover that among the followers of Islam it advocated for were the men convicted of the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center. At any rate, its campaign against me included flash-floods of e-mail intended to shut down servers at my newspaper and my syndicate, as well as viruses aimed at my home computer. The controversy became a subject of newspaper editorials, columns, Web logs, talk radio, and CNN. I was condemned on the front page of the Saudi publication Arab News by the secretary general of the Muslim World League.”
http://cjrarchives.org/issues/2003/6/satan-marlette.asp
I read that he and his newspaper, The Tallahassee Democrat, received almost 40,000 emails from CAIR. Doug Marlette never apologised. RIP.
Rudy is correct: Islamic terrorism is a real and present threat to our civilization. CAIR knowingly plays the politically correct cards a