CAIR vs. Giuliani
The grievance-mongers at CAIR have issued an “Action Alert” against Rudy Giuliani for using–gasp!–the phrase “Islamic terrorism.”
LGF has a reminder of CAIR’s attack on Giuliani for rejecting disaster-relief aid from Saudi Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal after 9/11.
Badge of honor.
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Isn’t “American-Islamic Relations” some sort of oxymoron?
From CAIR’s website:
” Contact the Rudy Giuliani Presidential Committee to express your concerns about his promotion of linking the faith of Islam to terrorism.”
How about they contact the terrorists who are using the faith of Islam to justify their acts?
How about Guiliani’s campaign being fully devoid of substance and based solely on scarring the American people? How about Guiliani trying to cheap score political points when Ron Paul pointed out that we were attacked for meddling in Middle Eastern affairs (which is what OBL and others have said)? How about Guiliani being so “forward thinking” that he put his emergency office in the World Trade Center after the attacks of 1993? How about Guiliani not thinking maybe the police department and fire department should be able to communicate with each other? How about Guiliani not being able to hire anyone who is not a criminal or involved in a sex scandal? I won’t even get into his personal life, that’s MM’s department.
How is it that after all the attacks by these Islamics, all the polititians etc are falling over themselves to re-assure muslims? It should be the muslims falling over themselves to re-assure everyone else! We keep being told that these terrorists are not real muslims, well maybe it is the ones not murdering and maiming in the name of islam that are not the real muslims. I still wouldn’t vote for Giuliani but anyone on cairs hitlist can’t be all bad:)
Truther MikeB:
The correct spelling is “scaring”; they should have taught you that in truther lessons. And, Ron Paul is an idiot.
MikeB:
Please wake up, and stop being part of the “Blame America First” crowd. We were not in Iraq in 2001; it is not our “meddling” with Middle Eastern affairs that causes terrorism. It is our mere existence, our freedoms, our culture.
And don’t give me that BS liberal line that WE need to change to accomodate them…that if we were more tolerant, more diverse, they’d somehow stop trying to blow us up. It is naive and ignorant to think a rousing chorus of “Kumbaya” will suddenly bring about world peace and cause terrorists to drop their guns, IEDs, and car bombs.
Terrorists – terrorists who practice ISLAM – have said repeatedly that their goals are thus:
1) Destroy the Great Satan (America) and the Little Satan (Israel).
2) Bring about an Islamic caliphate, where the entire world is under Islamic rule.
3) Work to attack America until they take over the White House.
Why are you ignoring what the terrorists have said and, instead, opting to attack Guliani as being the ONLY one with issues? (For the record, I do not support Guliani because he supports abortion and gun-control laws, so I do not have a personal stake in his candidacy).
Terrorism is – by and large – a product of Islam. If you disagree, please document what other religion has been responsible for thousands upon thousands of attacks, beheadings, hostage-takings, and other acts of terrorism since 9/11/2001.
You’ll find NONE. And anytime there is an attack, you won’t find a group like CAIR trying to sweep it under the rug.
It is not racist, it is not bigoted, it is not profiling to point out that the hijackers on 9/11, the 7/7/05 London bombers, the would-be London/Glasgow bombers earlier this month were all of Islamic background.
It is not racist, bigoted, or profiling to point out that the religious clerics who constantly call for a caliphate, world domination, and destruction of free societies preach in the name of Islam.
It is pure fact and observation.
I stand correct BigAnge. But, Ron Paul is hardly an idioit. First, he was a doctor. Second, he is the only Republican in the Presidential race with principles. He says we should not be dragged into foreign conflicts, that is what Republicans used to say until their party was taken over by neo-Cons and theo-Cons (like MM). He, unlike MM, also thinks that the Constitution was not repealed after 9/11.
English: First, we were involved in Iraq in 2001 (remember Clinton’s no fly zones). Second, we have supported authoritarian leaders in the Middle East (Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Saddam (in the 1980s), Jordan) for a long time and had military bases in Saudi Arabia that really got under OBL’s skin.
Do I think al Quida is going to change if we were to leave the US completely? No. Do I support anything they have done? Of course not. But, the way to beat the terrorists is to continue to have an open, democratic society and not let Rudy scare us into giving up our freedoms.
MikeB:
As far as I know – we still have an open, democratic society.
As to ‘giving up our freedoms’ – please explain which freedoms we’ve given up and how Giuliani is promoting any loss in liberty?
C.A.I.R. stands for
Can’t Acknowledge Islamic Terrorism
screwed that up … had 2 things to post and mixed them … where’s that coffee? …
Meant …
Can’t Acknowledge Islamic Radicalism
GRRRR … what a way to start the day …
DesertLover,
I had that kind of day Yesterday! Know what you mean.
Just ignore MikeB. I have now learned you cannot argue when someone has deaf ears.
He is attempting to change our viewpoints and it ain’t workin’.
He needs to go to the CNN blogs and post proudly next to his liberal constituents.
People need to just stop listening. What do they have now, just over one thousand members?
Asking us not to use the term ‘Islamic Terrorism’ is like that goofy judge recently who told a sexual assault victim that she couldn’t use the term ‘rape’ during the trial – she had to say ’sex’ or ‘intercourse’ – and the prosecution was barred from using the term ’sexual assault kit’.
Absolute lunacy.
Most Muslims aren’t terrorist. Most terrorists are Muslim. Not that hard of a concept.
“continue having a open democratic society….” will cure terrorism?
I don’t think so.
Nothing works against terrorism except KILLING EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEM.
Sad to say, but it IS the only way to stop their destruction and madness.
Agreed, Gayle.
I’ve always like the quote: (paraphrased)
“Nobody ever won a war dying for his country….they won by making the other poor bastard die for his”
Yeah, Patton usually hit the nail on the head. That’s a great quote.
LOL, That’s not all he “hit on the head”
What about Clinton’s illegal and scandalous activities?
The “Clinton Body Count” here.
The “Clinton Legacy” here.
and Good Morning to all……
MikeB,
We’ve been at war with Islamic extremists for over 200 years. Nothing we did or didn’t do in the Middle East had anything to do with it. All we did was declare our independence from Britain.
Correction: The “Clinton Body Count” here.
Why do we never hear about anyone suing CAIR? Any chance we could get a John Doe from the US Air flight to step up and sue CAIR for a kabillion dollars for mental anguish?
Or at the very least, the Giuliani campaign blog should encourage all of thier supporters to call CAIR and tell them to STFU.
Once again MikeB totally skirts the issue at hand to bring the subject back to the war in Iraq.
And better yet, to campaign for a truther.
*yawn*
Going to have to do better than that troll.
As far as CAIR going after Guilliani… wow.. that’s a surprise…not. They will be going after everyone who even hints that America should be concerned about terrorism. Expect much more stupidity and probably some more politically correct lawsuits before the 2008 elections.
Gayle—on your #13 agreed
You know in the Marines Hymn “From the Halls of Montezuma to the Shores of Tripoli? Google; Barbary pirates. We have been fighting islamic extremism since 1801. These jihadist will never stop until we submit. Marines kicked A$$ then and we kick A$$ now!!!!!!!!!!!
Gayle–meant # 15 sorry
Gayle–I can’t count this morning, I mean, agreed on #11.
jose
JRL: I go back to Pres. Bush and the worst AG in our history Alberto Gonzalez. You know Al who tried to get John Ashcroft to re-authorize an illegal domestic wiretapping scheme in place? The one who may be subject to perjury charges? (But, I digress.) With domestic spying, politicizing the US Attys, illegal detentions, signing statements, abuse of executive privilege (which should only apply to the President’s conversations, not the entire executive branch) and so on, the Bush/Cheney/Gonzalez regime is a threat to our freedom. All principled Conservatives (if there are any left besides Ron Paul) would concur.
Gayle, I do listen to everything you say. I hope you do the same.
Where is Patton when we need him? Wish someone would make a new movie about him fighting the terrorists! That would be a real PC buster and VERY refreshing!
Between the first attempt at bombing the WTC in 1993 and the bombing of the USS Cole in 2000 there were 24 “major” Islamic Terrorist actions around the world. Some of them were prevented or simply failed, while others killed and injured large numbers of people. Some were “dry runs” testing their plans for 9/11.
I also don’t think I need to remind any of you who the President was through all of that … and he did nothing to go after those responsible for the attacks on this country.
Here are just the ones that were directed at the USA or were “dry runs” for USA planned attacks.
* January 25, 1993: Mir Aimal Kansi, a Pakistani, fired an AK-47 into cars waiting at a stoplight in front of the Central Intelligence Agency headquarters in Virginia, killing two CIA employees.
* February 26, 1993: Islamic terrorists try to bring down the World Trade Center with car bombs. They failed to destroy the buildings, but killed 6 and injured over 1000 people.
* December 11, 1994: A bomb explodes on board Philippine Airlines Flight 434, killing a Japanese businessman. It develops that Ramzi Yousef planted the bomb to test it for the larger terrorist attack he is planning. (9/11)
* December 24, 1994: In a preview of September 11, Air France Flight 8969 is hijacked by Islamic terrorists who planned to crash the plane into the
Eiffel Tower in Paris. (Sound familiar?)
* January 6, 1995: Operation Bojinka, an Islamist plot to bomb 11 U.S. airliners over the Pacific Ocean, is discovered on a laptop computer in a Manila, Philippines apartment by authorities after a fire occurred in the apartment. Noted terrorists including Ramzi Yousef and Khalid Shaikh Mohammed are involved in the plot. (Recognize those names?)
* June 25, 1996: The Khobar Towers bombing, carried out by Hezbollah with Iranian support. Nineteen U.S. servicemen were killed and 372 wounded.
* February 24, 1997: An armed man opens fire on tourists at an observation deck atop the Empire State Building in New York City, United States, killing a Danish national and wounding visitors from several countries. A handwritten note carried by the gunman claims this was a punishment attack against the “enemies of Palestine”.
* December 1998: Jordanian authorities foil a plot to bomb American and Israeli tourists in Jordan, and arrest 28 suspects as part of the 2000 millennium attack plots.
* December 14, 1998: Ahmed Ressam is arrested on the United States–Canada border in Port Angeles, Washington; he confessed to planning to bomb the Los Angeles International Airport as part of the 2000 millennium attack plots.
* January 2000: The last of the 2000 millennium attack plots fails, as the boat meant to bomb the USS Sullivan sinks.
* October 12, 2000: AL Qaeda bombs the USS Cole with explosive-laden speedboat, killing 17 US sailors and wounding 40, off the port coast of Aden, Yemen.
Between 1993 and 2000, everyone who was paying any attention knew that the threat from Islamic terrorism was grave and getting worse. The catastrophic losses that occurred on September 11, 2001, could just as easily have happened in 1993, when the first plot to destroy the World Trade Center was carried off successfully, but the terrorists had miscalculated the effect of their explosives, or in 1995, when the plot to destroy eleven American airplanes in flight was thwarted by counter-intelligence work in the Philippines.
What did the Clinton administration do in response to this grave threat?
Essentially nothing.
Worse, Clinton tried to sweep the problem under the rug, lest it disrupt the surface calm and prosperity for which he was eager to claim credit.
Gregory, I agree with you: Clinton did not hire the most clean administration either and his pardoning was a disgrace. That’s one of the reasons I support Barack.
well said rlongenbach and josetheguerilla, I’ve been pointing folks to the barbary pirates for years now when they try to claim we somehow started the problem with terrorism.
Greg, I believe we should be consistent, that’s why it makes me furious that conservative critics of Clinton’s Bosnia policy and Clinton now say that those who criticize Bush and his Iraq policy are traitors and unAmerican.
I apologize to everyone for that long post of the terrorist attacks … but I am so tired of people blaming the current president for all of the Radical Islamic Terrorists … (it’s been around for 100s of years) … I don’t think anyone could look at that list of attacks and honestly say this administration is the reason the terrorists hate America …
Thanks for your patience in at least looking at some of that post …
MikeB:
Once again you go on and on but cannot answer my question:
“please explain which freedoms we’ve given up and how Giuliani is promoting any loss in liberty?”
Citing the Bush Administration issues, as you did, does not answer the question which freedoms we have given up. Have you had your phone tapped? Have you been limited in your freedom?
And – show me where Rudy has promoted YOU or I losing our liberties?
Try to stay within the framework of these questions when answering and avoid your liberal side-stepping.
Desertlover – your post was spot-on and highlights what many don’t know or refuse to acknowledge.
No apology necessary, as far as I’m concerned.
jrlingreenbay
Thanks … I just reach a point where I want to shove the facts down some people’s throats on occasion and it ends up being a lengthy post … I sometimes feel a lot of people don’t ever take the time to read a long entry …
Desertlover –
True words are not measured by length, only content.
JRL: “A threat to freedom anywhere is a threat to freedom everywhere.” No, to my knowledge, my phones were not tapped. But, other American citizens’ phones were without a warrant. Tell me what part of losing our 4th Amendment rights don’t you understand?
Illegal torture or detention is not a threat to me but is a threat to a person who was in the wrong place at the wrong time but committed no acts of terrorism. See, we in the US value due process and rights of the accused (even for Muslims). A loss of freedom for a Muslim in the custody of the US, is a loss of freedom for an American. (As much as some of you here would like to kill all Muslims)
As far as Bush’s “issues,” those are a loss of freedom as well. Our founding fathers, especially Madison, warned that a constant “state of war” without oversight by Congress results in monarchy. If such power was not a problem, then we would not have fought the American Revolution. I thought that was about securing our liberty, etc.
I have now answered your question, if you miss it, you’re not paying attention.
I can remember a time when these “Bush issues” would be revolting to conservaties, apparantly the “Young Turks” of MM, Coulter, and Hannity have hijacked your movement and made you forget what conservative principles are.
Since this thread is about CAIR trying to intimidate by telling us what we can / cannot say…and how this ties in with John Doe…. I’ll post an off topic link with your permission Michelle, but it relates. ( Also posted on another thread, but that one’s dying ):
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070726/ap_on_re_us/immigration_sheriff_2
The illegal immigrant crowd’s version of intimidation of vigilant citizens continues…..
I now return to being more directly on-topic.
I personally don’t think ANY of us here want to kill all Muslim’s, That’s absurd.
MikeB: ( Forgive any context errors as I am trying to type while laughing )
“But, other American citizens’ phones were without a warrant.”
- Who? Give us examples – and context. If these people’s phones were tapped – were they in contact with suspected terrorist elements outside the US or not?
” A loss of freedom for a Muslim in the custody of the US, is a loss of freedom for an American. (As much as some of you here would like to kill all Muslims)”
- I don’t feel any less free because of the prisoners in Gitmo or Abu Gharaib. I feel safer. What part of ‘enemy combatant’ and captured on the battlefield or plotting or funding terrorism do YOU fail to understand?
- Who here wants to kill all Muslims? Find the quote and please reference it.
I still want to know, by example, how YOUR freedom has been infringed upon. Or, if you have SPECIFIC EXAMPLES based on factual evidence of such, please list. Hearsay and speculation are not evidence.
Desertlover-thanks for the long entry. Some people want to forget all these attacks and blame America for the work of jihadist. They want to give every terroist an ACLU lawyer and help force jihadi culture on us to make America more PC. That is truly unamerican.
Semper Fi’
Is anyone else CONCERNED about Fred Thompson’s NEW Pan-Islamist Campaign Manager, Spencer Abraham ???
He has a STRONG pro-Islamic background. Check out http://www.debbieschlussel.com/
I could just see the CIA agents hanging themselves like that old lady in the movie “Airplane” if they were tapping MikeB’s Telephone.
MikeB,
I glad you read what others post.
Bush has nothing to do with terrorism.
Fanatics do.
Let’s repeat; all together now!
“We the USA have nothing to do with the TERRORIST ACTIONS!”
Would you blame YOUR WIFE/GF/COMPANION if she was RAPED? No, the rapist.
Oh, that’s right….you’re a liberal.
Sit down and have a rational discussion with a rapist/pedophile. Have a “thoughful” conversation. Works like a charm.
Maybe this will assist in your warped thinking.
josetheguerilla
Thanks … that was much of my point … and I doubt most realized that CAIR came into being right after the 1993 Worl Trade Center attacks … can anyone say “Damage Control” … after all … the “R” is for “Relations” …
Rudy refused aid money from the Saudi’s after 9/11 … he saw though that offer as an obvious attempt to buy the good people of NYC off … the Saudi’s have never forgiven that affront to their “honor” …
much like Chavez and his heating oil deal …
as P.T. Barnum said … one born every minute …
Using my teaching skills…..making is ABC for those with learning disabilities;
You know, simple comparisons.
making it…..typo again.
Like taking a gift from the rapist/molester of you child/wife, etc.
gayle
is this deja vu all over again from yesterday … LOL
DL, LOL!
Give this older than dirt woman some credit! At least I am a true diehard convervative!!!!!!!!! LOL!
#45 ajmontana said:
“I could just see the CIA agents hanging themselves like that old lady in the movie “Airplane” if they were tapping MikeB’s Telephone.”
ROFLMAO
jrlingreenbay
or to paraphrase an old Cheech and Chong routine:
“Mike? Mike’s not here”
LOL….
” HEY…whatever you do, DON’T ANSWER THE PHONE!!….The phone is bugged!!!”
“Hey, man, is that you? We’ve got a bomb-making class tonight, you coming?”
That’s truly hilarious, MikeB lecturing about “conservative principles” like he would even know what they are. If “conservative principles” mean anything to you, you would not be even considering supporting Obama, or anyone else on the socialist side.
MikeB believes in Marxist principles like whatever you might have earned through your hard work to support your family, there is someone else who didn’t earn it but deserves it more, and he’s more than happy to take what’s yours and give it away to make himself feel better.
Obama doesn’t think Homeland Security and Border Security are connected in any way. You support that for Commander in Chief? You support government looking the other way when confronted by threats to national security, or the safety of our allies? You support for President a man who cannot bring himself to vote for providing training, ammo, Mine Resistant Ambush Proof vehicles and body armour to the troops fighting to protect us all?
Your reference to Michelle as a proponent of theocracy is just more proof that you are an hyperventilating, exaggerating partisan hack propagandist.
What’s your real name, Howard Dean?
I’m beginning to think it’s more like Howard Cosell…….
I admit some of your posts are funny. I love the thing about the old lady in Airplane. But, usually my phone calls are nothing to talk about.
JRL, I realize now that you are not really interested in debating issues. Asking for specific evidence regarding specific people–Come on? The FISA is all about secrecy. Only the most insider of insiders is aware whose phone was tapped, when and why. I just know what I read. I also can read Supreme Court opinions finding Bush’s detention regime to be unconstitutional. Perhaps you work for the NSC or the CIA and know more than we all do.
Gayle, no Bush is not a terrorist–although polls in Europe and the Middle East say otherwise. But Bush is doing his level best to screw up the “war on terror.” I won’t go into the whole thing but not “staying the course”, “not finishing the job”, “cutting and running” from Afghanistan where al Quida was headquartered and diverting our resources to Iraq was the best gift a terrorist could get besides an AK-47 and a million virgins.
MikeB:
Finally a shred of honesty!
“Only the most insider of insiders is aware whose phone was tapped, when and why. I just know what I read.”
That first statement being true, how can anyone argue about an infringement on their rights? Anyone NOT in the loop is riding on pure speculation based on, as you said, ‘what I read’.
And what exactly do you read? Where are the stories about ‘trampling of civil liberties’? Most if not all of them are in liberally biased outlets such as the NY Times, Washington Post and others…as well as visual news outlets such as CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBC, CBS.
You’ve pretty much admitted that you are basing your comments and attitudes, not on personal experience, but on hearsay from outlets which most likely have been consistently targeting this administration and its response to terrorism threats.
There, in my mind, is only one thing more disgusting than CAIR and that is the politicians (all liberal dimocrats by the way) that lend them credibility by even speaking to them.
Off topic (sorry): MikeB. Can you once make your point without insulting out hostess? She is showing some great patience with you but you really bring some of the negative comments on by doing such a thing. You accused me once of wanting to censor you. You are entitled to your opinion here (even as bass-ackwards as it is at times) but you really need to rethink your personal attacks – IMHO.
Again, my apologies.
On my soapbox, I do thank MM for giving me this platform. I even figured out how she does it:
I now know how MM does her blogs: (1) Find a mentally deranged person who commits a crime. (2) If he had immigration issues–write a story about how the US is under seige by illegal aliens. (2) If he is a Muslim–write a story about how the US is under seige by Muslim, even if a US citizen. (Of course, don’t treat them the way you want to be treated–call them Muslim not “American” remember you who said, “Besides, I’m an American not Asian.” But an American Muslim is not an American he is a Muslim). (3) If he ever said anything anti-war lump him in with all liberals as being “unhinged” a “traitor” or “unpatriotic.” (Of course, criticizing a Democrat President in times of war (Bosnia) is just fine and patriotic.) (4) If he is none of the above ignore the story, that way your wing nut readers will think all our criminals are Mexicans, Muslims, or liberals.
What is that supposed to mean? Are you saying Liberals do not believe rapists are evil and the victim is at fault?
Completely untrue and I’m shocked you would make such an analogy.
You mean…. all criminals are NOT Mexican, Muslims or liberals???????
I’m shocked!!! You hear me? Shocked???
MikeB…back to your bridge, troll…the goats are crossing.
On July 26th, 2007 at 12:01 pm, jrlingreenbay said:
So essentially “everybody but FOX” is what you are saying?
Yes, Dark Knight that is what he’s saying. Even though it is okay to feature NBC reports when it helps your side as MM did yesterday. And you know Fox–8% of the time on Iraq; 24% on Anna Nichole owned by Hillary contributor Rupert Murdoch.
Suprise. You’re wrong again.
No cutting and running from Afghanistan, we just brought in the international help on the ground from our allies that you liberals have been squealing about since John F’n Kerry’s “Global Test”. does this sound like cut and run Democrat policy to you?
These are the headlines from the Afghanistan section of the Defenselink site, which can be found here, if you are interested in what’s really happening there and not just vomiting Howard Dean e-mail blasts full of DNC talking points.
Dark Knight;
I was “speaking to MIKE”, about Mike.
Reading comprehension skills – next lesson. TIME: 1:00 PM EST
Oh by the way, you should spell our enemy correctly, which is Al Queda
Then why the term “liberal” to describe such a belief? Why not say “Oh, you’re MikeB?”
HIS LIBERAL THINKING.
How hard is that??????????
Brian72
There are 2 correct spellings … unfortunately neither is the one you posted … fingercheck maybe?
Al Qaeda
Al Qaida
Is anyone OTHER than DK and MikeBS getting my point?
Did I clarify my comments?
(I thought so.) THANK YOU.
It’s not liberal thinking, gayle, to blame a victim for a rape.
Ah HA! BINGO!
That’s right, so why BLAME THE US for terrorists’ actions??????????
waiting……………….red ink pen in my hand.
Speechless huh?
It is my belief that many people, liberals included, believe a War On Terror is possible while still preserving the integrity of the United States. This is why people fight against Warrentless Wire Tapping, confinement without charges, etc.
Again, a rape analogy to describe liberal thinking is nonsense.
Ok, I’ll take the bait…… Lets hear your pathetic case for why a rape victim should ever be to blame for the rape?????
Yeah, I was a little quick on the draw with the spelling. As long as they’re turned into smoking greasy craters in the ground, the spelling can be edited later:)
Does anyone else here think we’ve “cut and run” from Afghanistan? That’s just Howard Dean word games. Political hackery, in no way related to the real effort by our military, our NATO partners, and the Afghans who want to be free and will fight to stay that way.
So how do we control the war on terror Dark Knight??????
Give me the liberals’ point of view.
Slumber parties, confessionals, let’s do lunch, etc., and I’ll TRY to understand YOUR point of view.
Not the change the subject, but why can’t we go on the offense with these enemies amongst us? Why is it we got sidetracked with whether the Flying Imams have the right to sue their whistle blowers when we should have been charging them with terrorism, by intentionally and literally scaring to death dozens of people trapped in an airplane with them? We need to delegitimzed and ban CAIR from the US.
Isn’t it time we start demanding legislation that makes it a crime punishable by time in prison, to carry a fake bomb on a plane? Why can’t we charge people of the crime of “testing the waters” on a plane?
If I can’t cry fire in a crowded theater, no one should be able get away with fakery in this war were in. It is obvious that the underground terrorists among us have every intention of using our planes to perpetuate their jihadist activities.
We need new tougher laws and people that are determined to stop them.
gayle
Actually I took it as a metaphor (or was it a simile) of the tendency to make the perpetrator of an act the victim by some of our liberal friends … the rape comparison may have been a bit abstract but I think I understood what you were alluding to … am I close?
Oh, I forgot to add that Liberals rape the citizens everyday in this country.
They are attempting to take our rights away as individuals and collectively consume our minds and our freedoms.
Desert Lover,
Yes. It was an analogy.
Nothing hurts our souls as much as a rape/murder of our women and children, on a personal level.
If MOST liberals can use that same analogy when defending TERRORISTS, then maybe they can draw the correct conclusion.
Terrorist want to take all of our lives. What is more important than that? That should make them as angry as anything ….like a rape/murdering a loved one.
gayle
AHHHH … analogy … it’s all so confusing at times … lol …
This should have been simple by Conservative standards, if you catch my drift.
Liberal Point of View:
No need to do anything…. Its all a Bush Administration ploy to scare people into allowing Bush to change the constitution and declare himself king. Remember its all just a ‘Bumper sticker slogan’. Duh!
Gayle, your point is proved because liberals don’t get it.
Gayle, First of all, you demonstrate what a steady diet of Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter, and Malkin can do to a person. By your reasoning, we can never hold our leaders accountable for anything. The Bushies like to boast that there have been no new domestic terrorist attacks. But, if the terrorists are responsible for the attacks then the Bush administration can’t claim any credit now can they?
And also, Gayle, unlike you, I don’t make personal attacks. So I won’t even address the “if my wife was raped” thing.
Yeah, like the liberal candidates, still waiting for THEIR solution.
Just keep waiting and a GOP will win for certain!
Oh, now it’s a personal attack?
L*I*B*E*R*A*L mentality.
Answer the question posed above.
SOLUTION?
gayle
Across the last 15 or so years the only “Solution” I have heard about that was associated with a liberal ended up on a Blue Dress …
IF, I believe, would be a hypothetical.
Desert, did you know it’s name-calling if you use a hypothetical analogy??
Mmmmmmmmm…….
gayle
am I allowed to paraphrase?
If the hypothesis fits wear it …
One person’s analogy is another person’s chronology …
is that ok????
IF you cannot read, you may be illiterate.
IF you do not work, you probably have no money.
IF your gutters are full of pine needles, they MUST need to be cleaned.
IF IF IF
Desert, still waiting for the solution, arent’ you???? LOL!
gayle,
Trying to reason with MikeB (and maybe DarkNight) is a waste of time.
BTW, the RagingRep got it right:
What gets me is that the liberals talk like that and yet they expect elections in ‘08! So, which is it? Is Bush really making himself a dictator, or is it all LLL rhetorical crap?
oops again! YOUR FAULT DESERT!
Aren’t ………..LOL!