Outsourcing DMV data to Mexico
John and Ken at KFI in Los Angeles flagged this story yesterday about Orange County, California’s outsourcing of DMV data processing to Mexico. The Orange County Register follows up. Officials are blaming the talk radio messengers, naturally, instead of acknowledging the potential for harm:
Orange County’s Superior Court contracts with a company that uses workers in Nogales, Mexico, to do the data entry of traffic tickets, a revelation on Thursday that outraged many who fear personal information is leaving the country.
The court has contracted since March 2006 with Cal Coast Data Entry, Inc., a Cerritos company that has a facility in Nogales. Information from tickets – including drivers’ license numbers, car license numbers, birth dates and addresses – are scanned at the Cerritos facility and sent electronically to the Mexican facility.
In a statement issued Thursday evening, court officials defended use of the company, saying transfer of ticket information was by electronic encryption and the company has state-of-the-art security.
“The company and the staff they employ are dedicated to keeping the public’s data secure and safe,” the statement said. “The court wants to ensure the public that private data is safe.”
Court officials refused to release the cost of the contract and said they would continue using the company. Cal Coast officials wouldn’t comment, citing client confidentiality.
The disclosure of the Mexican outsourcing came from an unnamed county law enforcement officer who called a popular conservative radio program, KFI’s “John & Ken Show,” saying he had concerns about identity theft and the potential for terrorism.
The Register quotes an academic sneering at KFI’s “infotainment” and pooh-poohing citizen activism.
Talk radio-basher Trent Lott would agree, no doubt.
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So glad not to be living in Mexifornia. It is bad enough the folks at the VA and Tricare have already compromised my privacy act protected information. I am amazed at how stupid some public officials can be.
ya know… I’m all for investing in the Mexican economy… a solid Mexican economy is better for everyone.
umm.. but confidential information that could easily be converted to new id’s for illegal aliens?
Letmethingaboutit…NO.
Wow.. this is Mexico we are talking about here. Where the rape and murder of a girl can be ‘forgotten’ with a $100 bill to the right police chief. Where they will expunge your entire criminal record for a $50 ‘fee’. And California is sending them driver’s license and birth date info??? That would be worth serious money… all for the cost of a flash drive.
They have got to be out of their minds.
“Court officials refused to release the cost of the contract”
A government agency refusing to release budgetary amounts? How is that legal?
Maybe this is a first-step in solving the illegal alien problem…. Instead of coming up here for jobs, we’ll just ship our jobs down there to them so they don’t have to travel.
Don’t forget the double cost of this.
1 - Contracted payment to a foreign company.
2 - Payment of unemployment benefits to those local workers who could be doing these jobs.
Taxpayers should be happy as pie about this.
Is it just me, or am I the only one who no longer trusts her government?
I’m frightened for my children and their children. Will they have the same America to grow up in that I did?
So what is MM’s point? Isn’t the private sector better than government at doing everything? That’s what she preaches isn’t it. But wait, I know: You can’t trust those damn Mexicans.
If MM believes in free markets and economic efficiency, she’d have no problem with outsourcing anywhere in the world. But, pointing out MM’s contradictions is getting tiresome.
We have NO business outsourcing this kind of job! What is wrong with these people? What are they thinking?
Well, maybe North American Union!
Isn’t this an example of Mexicans doing a job that American’s won’t do. Just think, the Mexicans doing this work won’t be crossing our border, a win-win for MM.
MikeB..Please tell me what sort of sense it makes to release this personal information into the hands of potential invaders? Because, this is precisely what the ILLEGALS are, INVADERS. Why make it easier for those who sympathise with the invaders, to provide them with the necessairy information for a fake ID?
Patriot #4 -
I don’t know how old you are, but our kids ALREADY don’t have the same America to grow up in.
Mine’s 14… and when I was 14:
I rode my bike without a helmet,
my parents didn’t worry about me getting abducted if I was walking the mile to my best friend’s house alone,
we actually learned about US History in school and not about a watered-down version of it,
I played with building blocks and learned my abc’s and had milk and cookies in kindergarten, and didn’t have to worry about learning about which sex has what,
People would have been outraged at some illegal alien marching for his ‘rights’,
there’d be hell to pay if some abortion clinic was found to be telling a 15 year old girl to lie on her paperwork so she wouldn’t get her 22 year old boyfriend in trouble.
With all the technological advances and ease of our lives today - I still feel sorry for my Daughter and what she’s missing out on - the innocence - that we look back on so fondly.
There, my digression for the day is done.
Yeah, and GUESS WHO IS BUYING THE INFO from Mexico?
You’ve got it! the TERRORIST.
Don’t YOU feel safe.
What’s next?
MikeB -
Don’t even attempt to justify this. Your comments are purely a means of riling up the locals and insulting MM.
You cannot seriously support our government outsourcing this task to a foreign company. Given the routinely reported incidents of identity theft and fraud, many committed by illegal aliens, tell me how we can rationalize sending personal, private information to a company located in the country where most of the illegal aliens come from?
Would you send your order for new house keys or an alarm system to a company run in the local jail or prison?
If the people of Orange County don’t put a stop to this, then California is indeed lost to the USA.
Actually, JRL, I don’t support this. I was just making a point, i.e., if you believe in unfettered capitalism you’d have no problem with this practice. Alas, MM is not an ideologue, who knew?
So we can’t allow a Dubai company to run our port security…but giving personal private information of our citizens to a Mexican company is ok.
The Mexican government will get a hefty sum from terrorist organizations for information on citizens.
Look at the whole picture here. They can make the darn IDs in the USA and pay them the same wages. Why outsource?
There’s a bigger problem than noted.
I didn’t say that, JRL. A Dubai company shouldn’t run port security, a Mexican company should have personal information, and your Packers need to get a new quarterback.
#9 jrlingreenbay
I’m 40. Mine are 12 and 7.
I agree with all that you said.
It’s sad.
MikeB: Was that a typo or did you actually say ” a Mexican company SHOULD have personal information “?
I would THINK…and mind you, I don’t speak for her… that MM and most of the like-thinkers here would agree that while capitalism is a wonderful thing - completely unfettered, as this action is, is wrong.
Proponents of capitalism, such as I, believe that while making money and investing and working hard to make something of yourself and NOT rely on the government are the desireable qualities Americans should embody - you must temper those desires and actions with a sense of security and what is best for not only yourself, but for the greater population.
Hence, while this move may be business-savvy and economically efficient for Orange County - there is a greater threat which should have trumped that decision, that being the misuse of American Citizen’s personal information.
Mike B-#5
The American private sector does things better—american civilians!!! How in the heck would you allow private information to be sent to a foreign country who is trying to dump all thier poor people on us.
And I’m one of those Damn Mexican Americans, If you can trust me to fight in Iraq, I’m sure you can trust me to be an American. Your comment shows how anti-american and racially biased your views can be.
/s/
José
Oh….and lay off #4….he’s still better than 90% of the rest of the league’s front-men. And he’s a helluva nice and funny guy.
Although I hear there’s this QB from Atlanta that may be looking for a job……. NOT.
And yes… the taxpayer is PAYING to have this data shiped to Mexico…
Wow… just.. Wow…
So…a step further…
The American Taxpayer has advanced from simply paying for illegal alien healthcare, schooling and such - to actually paying Mexican salaries IN MEXICO!
Orange County residents - aren’t you proud?????
Are DMV jobs … “jobs Americans won’t do?”
MikeB-#7
This statemet shows ignorance of your views.
The illegals that are comming over here are not the type who work in an office typing up responces to parking tickets. They are for the most part migrant workers. The middle class Mexicans can make lots of money selling this personnal information to thier poor. The mexican government does not care a rats a$$ about thier poor. Isn’t that what the libbs pride themselves on “taking care of thier poor?” MikeB you should be the first one who is against this sort of thing.
please excuse the misseliings
I’m a Marine not a writer.
/s/
José
We could use THIS guy in some higher office…like Homeland Security:
http://ktar.com/?nid=6&sid=552520
FEED THE TROLL AND WATCH IT GROW.
The sole purpose his posts are to insult MM and this blog.
I ignore him as best I can and never respond to his posts.
I think Jose and JRL are missing my point. I was saying that if your believe government sucks and outsourcing is always the answer, then giving personal info to Mexicans (via outsourcing) would be fine with you. But, remember when MM says something snide about “government schools,” remember how she only selectively thinks government sucks.
Dersu - I’m leaning more and more in your direction…but will just add this:
Government does suck - selectively. I don’t want them running health-care, public housing is awful, they need to get their heads out of their political butts so their ears can hear the American public.
I wonder who made this decision for Orange County - and whether this was discussed in any open-forum prior to approval, or was it a closed-door deal?
Come on, can’t you feel the love on the blog. If not for me, this blog would be the same old same old. JRL still hasn’t said anything about the Packers outsourcing their QB.
There’s a difference between outsourcing and private sector initiative.
Also, you proceed from a false premise. No one has said that outsourcing is ALWAYS the answer, as you presume we believe.
Yes I did - read #21
Three cheers for JOSE’ !!!
My apologies JRL. Yes, but if you need a nice rottweiler, Mr. Vick is surely the man.
Funny, I don’t think MM said anything. She posted a topic. That is all. Her only observation is that there is potential for harm.
Re MIKEB #5:
A cardinal rule in Life, Mike, is that one shouldn’t personalize the conduct or views of another person that do not threaten your immediate physical, mental and emotional welfare.
Mike, you have obviously personalized the impact of Michelle Malkin’s political viewpoints to the extent you are spouting garbage logic again.
Your #5 message is neurotic, shallow, and foolish.
My judgements are not without basis. Let me illustrate.
But before I do so, I am begging the indulgence of my fellow discussants who must endure yet one more flogging of a jealously immature jibberal (wikipedia that!).
1. The point of the *news item* as presented is to alert the public to yet one more way elected politicians are subverting the will of the people at obliterating the integrity of our
states and the Union as a whole.
National obliteration is accomplished by agreements for trade, first and foremost- which affect the banking institutions of our Country, the labor markets of our Country, and the tax bases of our Country- such as NAFTA, CAFTA, DONTHAFTA, and SHAFTYA.
(I use humor and sarcasm to mask my blind rage over these abominations.) This is not free market capitalism or free trade. It is subsidized banking practices to optimize corporate profiteering by Big Governments (SOCIALISM). 2 different animals altogether.
The destruction of our National Integrity (the basis of all SECURITY, Mike) is also accomplished by obliterating the definition of rights of citizenship.
Mexican nationals are on our Social Security and SSI rolls. Guatemalan nationals are on the same. I know Mexican nationals who have SS and SSI payments *MAILED* by the US government to addresses in Mexican states south of the border.
These are supposed to be guaranteed benefits to taxpayers of the US. So how is it that Mexicans, who should not have SS#s, and other human beings from foreign nations *SOUTH OF THE AMERICAN BORDER* how is it that they are enrolled in a US taxpayer eligible and US taxpayer subsidized system? I will tell you the primary source of Dilution of the system is by Federal workers who advise Mexican nationals on 1) how to get a SS#, and 2) how to get a state drivers license.
I have witnessed Federal workers advising foreign nationals who are in the country without legal basis. And it’s allowed because there is a policy agenda being crafted and implemented by unelected officials who are not enforcing the laws which are part of our national integrity.
It is not a policy of *equal protection under the law* (like the fop decision that came down over the Dunkin Halal franchisee); It is a policy of equal *exemption* from our laws for foreign nationals with no legal standing in our Nation of (f)Laws.
Outsourcing sensitive information of the Citizenry to a Foreign agent is one more example of liquidating our National Integrity through the liquidation of our basic security: protection of Citizen’s privacy.
Mike B, if you don’t get that, then you are ridiculously underinformed and misguided.
Free market solutions to problems of supply and demand is one thing. And, I, like Ms. Malkin, believe that free citizens- operating under ethical standards of fairness, decency, and civic pride- will make better decisions based on *MUTUAL* self-interest than some bureaucratic tangle of office Buffalo. I am a director of a privately held company and live close to the ground in the business world seeing how decent people run their businesses and do business everyday.
The decision to outsource data management to a *Nation of Interest* (and strangely never named in this Shamnesty mess) is suspect as a “free market” solution to a problem that is ill-defined.
It is clear to me that you obfuscate “the Point” because you have a case of the *ss for Ms. Malkin *personally*. I attribute your comment to your deficient sense of self-efficacy in the realm of political discourse.
Perhaps somebody drained a kidney in your Cheerios this morning. But it is more likely due to being spanked too hard when you were small(er) or not being taken seriously by the others who put their knees under the same dinner table with you while you were supposed to be becoming a man.
2). I come from a long line of wagon burners, Conquistadors, “damned Mexicans”, and half-breeds. The lingo you ascribe to Ms. Malkin is reprehensible. There was no reason for you to use it. I won’t call it hate speech because the term has lost its meaning. I will point out that you, like most Lefties, use the language opportunistically as a polemical device to jab your opponents into fighting back. It is resemblant of an adolescent who is arguing with a parental authority figure (mom or dad) about sex or money or the car keys.
“I know why (name that perceived hypocrisy here) . It’s because of (ignite and throw emotional Molotov of invective here)!
It’s juvenile, Mike B. You deserve a good spanking. See Mrs. Paul at once.
3) Mike B- the only contradiction here is how you have been allowed to continue to post your jibberalisms here. There is a distinct difference in kind between critical thought for the purpose of inspiring the exchange of opposing ideas, and mere personalized criticism of somebody whom you are jealous of, and have projected your own narcisstic hissy deficits upon in the hope of feeling whole as a grown man.
Now, about that spanking….hopefully this verbal paddling will suffice. Now go to your room.
MikeB#28
Outsourcing is good, however personnel information regarding a government traffic ticket is another story. The Mexicans don’t care about American security. They only care if it affects their security. MM is right about our public schools. Ever heard of Columbine MikeB?
/s/
José
This is ironic: From the Orange County Press Release about the security of this company which handles the work in Mexico -
“The CCDE processing centers are secure facilities. The Nogales facility has 24-hour-a-day, 7-day-a-week on-site security guards, as well as video cameras and access is restricted to badge holders.
All CCDE staff involved in the Court contract are required to undergo a national felony background check before being hired, which includes a check of the National Terrorist Database. The Nogales employees must also be certified by the Sonoran State Police that they have passed a background search and do not have a criminal record. Before entering the segregated work location, employees must check all cell phones, purses, backpacks, and personal items including paper and pens, in a locker. Access to the production area is accessed by approved personnel only. ”
No wonder Mexicans are coming here - it’s easier to get into our Country than it is to get into a Mexican run business.
No, waiting on Michelle to get tired of your attacks on her is getting tiresome. She is showing great patience with you. I know I speak for a bunch of people here when I say, if I had a bump button, you would be gone. Your attacks seldom have anything to do with and are quite often off topic. They are nothing more than your opportunity to bash Michelle.
On topic: Orange County is just so far gone, what can you say. It just boggles the mind. Makes you just want to deliver nukes to everyone and say, let’s just get this thing over with and let GOD sort it all out. It is just so backwards anymore.
No. Outsourcing is not acceptable in cases of national security. This would be a case of national security. All of the information could be used to create fake ids. The information would be correct, just a different picture.
Just like we opposed the Dubai ports deal. I don’t give a d*mn if it’s going to Mexico or Great Britain, this information shouldn’t be sent to other nations.
MikeB,
We still have no issue with capitalism. If the DMV wants to subcontract out to a company here, and they make money off of it, hey. All the more power to them.
However, we’re talking about our important information being sent out to another country. That’s not acceptable.
There is the main problem. If they ‘outsourced’ to save money, obviously these mexicans doing this data work are making pennies. It’s not a stretch at all to guess, no wait, to KNOW they will eventually start SELLING this incredibly valuable info, at least some of them.
What is the repercussion for the mexican selling your data info? NADA, Nilch, zip, they are in MEXICO.
Any argument for this ‘company’ to proceed is ignorant at best.
It’s like giving car thieves all the key codes to every GM car serviced in California.
Mike B
News Flash! Data entry is a job Americans will do but, the State of CA doesn’t want to pay the wages. Get a clue!
I think I just got spanked. But, let me say this: MM doesn’t randomly place news items on this site, she makes a choice about what is important. She doesn’t think the Iraq civil war, Alberto Gonzalez’s perjury, the Iraqi Parliament’s vacation are important issues, so they’re not here.
Mike B
Again News Flash MM is no different than any other blog source about picking what she wants as a news source. Try taking a look at Daily Ko’s talk about cherry picking.
Again please get a CLUE!
Mike - do you hold the same opinion of DailyKos, Huffington and all the rest of the liberal blogs who don’t cover what IS covered here?
OT - The California woman of the year for 2003 is now the president of the police commissioner. Yet she is a HE. A transgender? A sex changed he to an IT, and ‘he/she owns a business for ….. SEX TOYS.
theresa sparks. (the name used currently)
Only in San Francisco.
Interesting, although confusing, shooter - what’s that got to do with this?
JRL, I speak only for myself as do you. As I said, I think KOs, HuffPo should cover the missionary and the DMV story, but MM should cover Gonzalez too.
But the question is, Mike….do you post on Kos & HuffPo and tell them as much? Or do you save your frustration for conservatives?
MikeB,
Do you want her to make a post about every item of the day? This isn’t Fairness Doctrine Country. Blogs don’t need to give equal coverage, and shouldn’t. That would make them news blogs, not political blogs.
JRL, I have posted on those sites, but I enjoy posting here more. I don’t need an “amen corner.” Ok, Amerpun, I agree that she need not post everything. My point is, she doesn’t randomly pick items. She picks items because they are either “not being covered by the MSM” or to make a point from her conservative prospective. She has a right to pick any item she wants to post.
MikeB said, “Whe has a right to pick any item she wants to post.”
Absolutely correct!
And the big difference between MM & Kos & Huff - is that if you look at those sites, and you find a conservative poster, their comments at times either get deleted or they insults and derogatory remarks thrown at them.
On the other hand, Mike… you post here, and while there is often disagreement with your ideas or requests to stop directing your insults or misleadings about MM… your posts remain up and the debate continues on between us.
We don’t use wishes of death or great bodily harm to you - or anyone besides our enemies such as terrorists or insurgents. We don’t issue threats of the same.
Unfortunately the same cannot be said of those other websites who the left is now defending as not being ‘hate-sites’.
But now I’ve drunkenly stumbled into another thread’s territory and clumsily allowed my mind to wander…..
Alas…tis Friday and I’m almost outta here for the day…. My apologies.
JRL, you got a great job, you’re always leaving early. I have to sit here and pretend I’m working.
MIKE B#44
BUHHHHHBEEEEE! Ms. Malkin uses her editorial perogative to define what gets PRIORITY on the site. Any editor you speak to will tell you that they do not immerse themselves in the quagmire of trying making monolitich judgements of what is *important* and what is not important.
Priorities help us make progress in accomplishing objectives. Yes, these are “important” to us. But adhering to priorities helps us to create value for readerships.
Every issue has a measure of importance. Only a kindergarten repeater deals with false dichotomies of “this important” “this not important”.
Is this slam-bake fishing expedition against Alberto Gonzalez a priority? It has been covered in the past on this site. Go look. Ms. Malkin is allowed to make tht choice. Did Mr. Gonzalez lie to grand jury? Or did he give conflicting testimony to Congress? Big difference.
I do hope to see an editorial piece on the disparate treatment of Attorneys General by Senator Leahy. He let Janet Reno pass on her murderous execution of her duties down in Waco. He was mum on that. Hope somebody does a retrospective on him.
Is there a civil war in Iraq? That seems to be a matter of interpretation. An ideological interpretation. That issue has been covered on this site. Why would Ms. Malkin make the mistake of letting in the cooties from HuffMo and the DillyKos
which have declared the war in Iraq is acivil war? Is Ms Malkin bound to your belief that she should commit journalistic suicide by doing so? That’s moronic, MikeB.
The Iraqi Parliament’s vacation. More power to them. They are acting like an American style government. Where is the news in that? It is interesting to me because they are telling Pelosi to go shoot up her noggin with botox for all they care about benchmarks and threats of withdrawal. They have made it clear: Pull out whenever you want.
Image: Bear carrying MikeB by the shirt collar to a beehive so Bear can execute a daily priority.
MikeB-#44
MM can’t report on every single thing. She has covered stories that most people won’t cover, for example the Scott Thomas thing. If there has been wrong doing concerning the AG, she won’t let him slide. She didn’t let Newt, Vitter, Chertoff, Bush or Fred! slide. The MSM types are covering all the stories you mentioned. Why would we want a repeat here? MSM don’t randomly place news items on their sites, why didn’t they report when the DOW hit 14,000? This story about the “Outsourcing to Mexico” should be front page at the most MSM sites. It’s not, because they want the votes of the illegal aliens who get their stolen identity from unsuspecting Americans. When asked, “are illegal aliens covered under your national health care plan?” Governor Bill Richardson replied, “All Americans should be covered.” He counts illegal aliens who broke the law coming into this country as Americans.
OT = OFF TOPIC. I just HAD to post it somewhere.
This is such a simplistic moonbat view of capitalism and free markets. You should really stick to what you know rather than telling people what they should have no problem with.
Having lived in a Latin American country for 25 years, I’m all too familiar with people in these venues being underpaid, working long hours and having sinister people with money bribing them for information or goods. Corruption is rampant and feeding your family is a strong incentive to look the other way. Don’t think for a moment that the information is safe in Mexico. It is not safe in the US apparently either but the chances are much much higher in a venue south of the border. As far as Mike b(labber?)goes if he is so uncomfortable in this environment why doesn’t he (move-on)where he will enjoy the posting. If he really thinks this is managed information why doesn’t he spend a few years in Zimbabwe or Arabia where his appreciation of what we have here will be enhanced? Or will it? Proverbs does warn us about responding to a fools folly. I’ve responded too much already.
Re-BPComplainer#58
Moonbats understand economics as being a lemonade stand on the side of a busy street.
No one stops to buy. Observers feel sorry for the sellers. Finally somebody trots over and buys “$10 worth”
of something but only takes delivery on a nickels worth of product.
The day ends and the sellers give up dreaming of everybody giving them $10 for a nickels worth of inferior product.
There is a pizza joint here in town that is some kind of socialist collective. People stand in line out the door to pay an exorbitant price for a pizza that is sub-par by New York standards or North Beach for that matter.
It is declared the best pizza in the world. Barf. It is the most overpriced pizza in the world because the collective isn’t open for a normal set of business hours in order to model how socialism works better than capitalism.
Ya, as long as you want to pay twice the price for something that isn’t what you want.
I bet it folds once the prize of ethanol inflated cheese goes through the roof even more. The market will crush these putzes, no matter how much garlic they fry to lead their victims to stop and buy pizza that doesn’t even have garlic in it.
Image: Bear rampaging in pizza kitchen chasing Marxian Anarcho-Cheese Doodlers with angry noises.
MikeB - MM doesn’t have to meet with your approval, nor mine or anyone else’s for that matter, to post an item on her own website. As Emerill is famous for saying, “get your own show.” Relentless criticism, simply to stir the pot, gets old, and like cheese - starts growing green fuzzy nasty stuff. I understand MM had to disable comments previously, and should that measure be needed again, we’ll all know who the thank.
I guess I am the ONLY one that sees a terrorist connection in all of this.
Too busy arguing with the moronic attitide of MIKEBS to offer an opinion.
(I am pouting in my corner.)
ATTITUDE
Now all you people are just being paranoid and racist. The Nogales agency of the OC DMV has the most upright, honorable citizens on the planet. They would NEVER sell private information on US citizens. Or use it.
Or use it to give terrorists IDs.
Nosirree bob. And of course, I just happen to have two acres in downtown Phoenix that gives two inch 24kt gold nuggets and an oil reserve that would
reduce gas prices to fifty cents a gallon, tax included, that I am willing to sell for ten grand.
In a pig’s eye.
In spanish there is an appropriate word for Mike B’s craft: chisme (say “cheese may”) and the purveyor (male) is a chismoso (say “cheese-moh-soh”).
The DMV caper in the OC is alarming. I’ll listen to Savage today hoping he mobilizes a ka-bash on this.
Kudos to MM for bangin the gong.
The reason why any state agency outsources a job is to make money. Now we should ax ourselves; Why does Orange County need to save money by outsourcing sensitive information to a scuzzy border town like Nogales? Could it be that TAX revenues are DOWN? And why would THAT be an issue? Aren’t people paying their fair share? Especially illegals? It sure as heck couldn’t be the WORKLOAD! Cause if that were the case, the cop could input it into a data capture box and print out a copy right there and then.
Instead of outsourcing it, hire MORE PEOPLE…but oh, wait..they would have to be paid a living wage, in which case taxes would go up again…and with undocumented ‘Americans’ not paying into the system you would have a vicious cycle.
Bear1909 - Mmmmmm, pizza! You had me laughing through your whole post.
bear1909—
Chismoso–LMAO
Funny!
José
The thing I find most interesting in all of this is the following…
“Information from tickets – including drivers’ license numbers, car license numbers, birth dates and addresses – are scanned at the Cerritos facility and sent electronically to the Mexican facility.”
I am not a programmer, but I have known a few, and to a person they all say the same thing, “if you can put the information in electronically, then you can get it back out in any order you want”
So, if that is the case, why do we need anyone to data entry the information, anyplace. It would seem to me that we simply need to pay a programmer(s) to code some program and we can save a lot of $$.
#3 - I think you are correct. How can any public official refuse to release the details of a public contract.
#36 - Bear 1909, you wouldn’t have happened to have been an NCO in our Armed Forces at some time, would you?
I have witnessed some NCO’s that have had the ability to “dress down” some poor, unsuspecting soldier, without ever using a curse word, that left them in shreds. Good job.
I think everyone would be suprised by the amount of personal information that is outsourced to other countries.
Do they not realize that the vast majority of illegals coming here from Mexico are also committing identity theft?
Why is there no common sense left in gov’t???
Mike,
First of all, free market is about commercial enterprise. Any state’s DMV is not a commercial enterprise, but a government function. They have no business outsourcing citizens’ personal information to anyone, especially to another country!
Secondly, it’s not the MexiCANS that we are concerned about, but MexiCO. Are you not aware (it’s common knowledge now) that terrorists and other undesirables are flocking to Mexico in order to enter our country undetected?
Is it time for us to initiate another firestorm with our congressmen?
“There are none so blind as those that would not see.” (Proverb)
There is a systematic effort underway to loot the treasury, dumb down the populace, reduce wages, wreck the domestic labor market, and destroy security. Business, government, and non-profit *corporations* are changing the nature of America.
OC’s *choice* is not surprising. It is a test balloon to see how Americans will respond to it.
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BPComplainer: these knuckleheads are willing to pay $10 for one chicken breast because it is labeled “smart chicken”. I asked the “earth mommy” working behind the “flesh counter”…what’s smart about this: the chicken got chopped and some dumb schmuck is paying 10 bucks for half a bo*b?
josetheguerilla: i don’t know how to spell “meteechee”…lol…i’m just a pocho from Hayward, Ese.
JustPlainBill: That’s high praise considering NCOs make the world go round.
But I had a nun for a teacher in 3rd grade named Sister Edwardine. Had the fast wrist with a rubber tip pointer which could fly 20 yards to get the random perp who littered or took the Lord’s name in vain. What usually followed was a tongue lashing that rivaled Lee’s admonishment of Jeb Stuart during the Battle at Gettysburg.
And then, of course, her gracious phone call home to my folks who heard all about their wonderful parenting skills before hearing about my atrocious behavior (using wool sweaters tied to chair backs to launch Izzy’s books out the window, etc).
Image: Bear wearing “flood” salt and pepper pants, a white shirt with a green wool sweater sitting in the back row of *your* classroom.
LeePro: Spot on, Dude. Mexico is the missing variable under scrutiny in this so-called “debate” about “immigration”.
LOL
My heartfelt apologies, Dudette.
My archane assumptions have betrayed the shabbier parts of my nature.
And I was thinking about moving to SoCal? I’ll stay put here in the Pacific Northwest.
MikeB; Your still an ass.
Fellow Malkinites, please stop feeding semi-troll Mike, it is tiresome. He provokes you with what is partly junk-speak, and you bite, stop it!
Bottom line: Mexicans are more impoverished - hence mass illegal immigration, and their system is more corrupt, so ID theft risk is higher. Also, being in Mexico reduces the risk of punishment, which creates more ID theft risk.
Reading through this and other threads, MikeB is in rare form today.
Turn off the snark, Mike. And people responding to Mike B: lay off the personal and stick with the political.
There’s plenty there to criticize.
Image:
Bear surveys the playroom and sees the smoking boots that remain.
On Topic: Does anyone have any updates on responses to the story about the DMV in OC?
I am hearing the chirping of crickets.
chirp….chirp……hic.(scuse me)
USA confidentiality laws do not apply in foreign countries. And we all know how well Mexico “cooperates” with us in turning over US law breakers…
This is uncalled for.
Whether or not MikeB is a troll he does not deserve to be sworn at. If you don’t like the message. Dispute the message. If you don’t like the person. Just ignore him.
You start turning this into a KOS copy and I, and many like me, will go elsewhere.
We just had an entire thread on how this isn’t a hate site. And yet 29K thinks it’s ok to say things like that.
Grow up or post elsewhere.
oops.. Sorry Rick hadn’t realized you had addressed this.
I think this is an outsourcing to foreign nationals story (with all that implies) as opposed to an outsourcing to Mexico story. Remember, all personal financial information for many people is lodged with call-service companies in India. And remember, Islamic Rage Boy lives in India.
Although that’s a flip comment, the core truth is that in Mexico, India, and everywhere else, there are people who wish to do us financial or security harm. And they will use any method they can, probing the edges of all types of security for the first soft target of any kind that they can find.
So I think it’s the broader security issue that’s important and the fact that it is Mexico is secondary (or less).
MikeB is at it again: he tells us that if MM is in favor of “unfettered capitalism”, she shouldn’t object to handing sensitive information over to a private firm in Mexico. Trouble is: I don’t recall MM making such a claim, and in any event there IS no such thing as “unfettered capitalism”, not as long as we have OSHA, the FDA, the SEC, the EPA and the host of other government regulations controlling business..
So that’s Strawman no. 1. Strawman no. 2 is when he says the Mexicans are doing a job Americans won’t do —- clearly not true, in that Americans are processing data for government agencies, including DMV’s, all across the US.
MikeB also seems disingenuous when he derides the the issues of security and identity theft. I’ve yet to see him actually argue a case; it’s all just drive-by smarminess unsupported by facts or structured argument. So I just LOL to see him say how “tiresome” it is to have to swat down MM’s arguments.
As for MM not covering Gonzlaes’ “perjury”, Mike needs (1) learn not to pre-judge such subjective claims of criminal guilt, and (2) get up to speed: the Dems p*ssed into their own whiskey by making that claim on Thursday. By Friday the press and the rest of us knew there was NO contradiction between the FBI’s Muller and Gonzales, and both spoke accurately. Myself, I think Gonzales is manifestly not qualified for his job, but a “perjurer”? Let the Dems make their case and seek a Special Prosecutor, if they dare.
They’re just doing the identity theft that Americans won’t do.
How else are they supposed to counterfeit authentic looking documentation?
Seriously, this is a major problem, and not just with Mexico. Chances are if you have acquired a mortgage or credit card in the last 7 years, your most sensitive financial information resides somewhere in India. Social security numbers, credit histories and other critical information. We have a lot of financial privacy protection here in the US, but it stops at our borders.
And while companies in India, Mexico or where ever can agree to be bound by contract to our protections, those provisions are essentially unenforceable. Our federal regulators are dropping the ball on this issue, and it seems the only way someone is going to pay attention will be when there is some massive breach costing billions of dollars to both consumers and domestic companies.
I listened to the call from the Police Officer to the John and Ken show as I live in Mexifornia.
The Police Officer that called was a whistleblower. There have been numerous cases of people that have received tickets that have had identity theft after having their ticket processed through the Nogales Mexico Data Center. Checking accounts, mortgages, Social Security and Drivers Licenses issued to illegal aliens. His concerns were rebuffed by supervisors.
Cal Coast Data Entry Inc. has stated the Mexicans employees are subjected to rigorous background check. The are lying through their teeth because Mexico does not have a computer database, like NCIC, of criminals like we do in the USA.
How can you do a background check on the employees when there is no criminal database in Mexico?
The culture of corruption in Mexico is rampant where it is common practice to steal from your employer. Bribes and kickbacks are common practice and accepted.
John & Ken have had numerous callers tell them their Identities have been stolen since being cited by the police in Orange County. In addition, it seems there may be other agencies that have outsourced to the same company. The courts refuse to comment on any of the contracts with Cal Coast Data Entry.
Keep in mind we now have a mayor in Los Angeles that conducts official business in Spanish and for the most part only does interviews with Telemundo TV in Spanish for the Illegal Alien crowd.
Antonio Villaraigosa is currently involved in a scandal with a TV reporter with Telemundo, Mirthala Salinas, that was trading sex for access to the mayor. Illegal Immigration and the invasion from Mexico has brought the same corruption in Mexico to California.
Welcome to the North American Union folks. Our own Government is actively selling out our country right before your eyes. There will not be a middle class if this continues and our sovereignty will disappear.
And for you people that think outsourcing is good for economy I have to ask what planet are your from. How can you support a practice of sending our jobs overseas? I cannot believe some of you support jobs being sent to third world countries or slave labor camps in China just to save a buck. This practice is driving down our standard of living and reducing wages in the USA and please spare me the lecture on Free Trade or Globalism.
When your job is outsourced or a H1B visa holder replaces your job, tell me how you feel then.
This should give a needed boost to the identity theft & forgery departments of the Mexican government.
Now, if we could only outsource our freakin’ federal government…
And if we weren’t outsourcing the minimum wage wouldn’t even be an issue.