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		<title>By: mileslibertatis</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2007/07/28/sentence-of-shame/comment-page-1/#comment-169344</link>
		<dc:creator>mileslibertatis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 16:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eighth Amendment:

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eighth Amendment:</p>
<p>Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.</p>
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		<title>By: jhn1</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2007/07/28/sentence-of-shame/comment-page-1/#comment-110856</link>
		<dc:creator>jhn1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 20:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is the Constitutional prohibition on 
cruel &lt;strong&gt;or&lt;/strong&gt; unusual punishment or 
cruel &lt;strong&gt;and&lt;/strong&gt; unusual punishment</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is the Constitutional prohibition on<br />
cruel <strong>or</strong> unusual punishment or<br />
cruel <strong>and</strong> unusual punishment</p>
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		<title>By: Now, this is &#8220;restorative justice&#8221; &#171; Volunteer Opinion Journal</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2007/07/28/sentence-of-shame/comment-page-1/#comment-110844</link>
		<dc:creator>Now, this is &#8220;restorative justice&#8221; &#171; Volunteer Opinion Journal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 19:58:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] this is &#8220;restorative&#160;justice&#8221;  I have kept meaning to post something on this story over at Michelle Malkin&#8217;s blog.  Her post originated from a story at Fox News. Judge Orders [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] this is &#8220;restorative&nbsp;justice&#8221;  I have kept meaning to post something on this story over at Michelle Malkin&#8217;s blog.  Her post originated from a story at Fox News. Judge Orders [...]</p>
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		<title>By: feebiebabe</title>
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		<dc:creator>feebiebabe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 16:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brilliant.  

My sister stole a belt from K-Mart when she was little.  My mom had a manager called, had my sister apologize to the manager and tell them what she did. 

When we got home my mom had her sit out front with a sign for an hour stating &quot;I stole from K-MART and this is my punishment&quot;.

Of all the punishment methods, Humiliation seems to work best.

She never stole again.  

Something tells me if this man&#039;s parents had done this to him to begin with....he wouldn&#039;t have to be wearing a sign at 73 years old.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brilliant.  </p>
<p>My sister stole a belt from K-Mart when she was little.  My mom had a manager called, had my sister apologize to the manager and tell them what she did. </p>
<p>When we got home my mom had her sit out front with a sign for an hour stating &#8220;I stole from K-MART and this is my punishment&#8221;.</p>
<p>Of all the punishment methods, Humiliation seems to work best.</p>
<p>She never stole again.  </p>
<p>Something tells me if this man&#8217;s parents had done this to him to begin with&#8230;.he wouldn&#8217;t have to be wearing a sign at 73 years old.</p>
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		<title>By: xplodeit</title>
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		<dc:creator>xplodeit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 02:25:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All right, good news. Though, I do like the caning idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All right, good news. Though, I do like the caning idea.</p>
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		<title>By: rac</title>
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		<dc:creator>rac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 22:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At risk of being labeled a &quot;die-hard lib&quot; I must say that I agree with Gabe with respect to &quot;unusual&quot; punishments.  Let me also say I don&#039;t feel any sympathy for this 73 year old guy either.  

My concern is, and always has been, with judges handing down &quot;unusual&quot; sentences for the purpose of humiliating someone.  Just sentence the guy to what ever the law allows and be done with it.  In my view, it is the judge having a holier than thou moment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At risk of being labeled a &#8220;die-hard lib&#8221; I must say that I agree with Gabe with respect to &#8220;unusual&#8221; punishments.  Let me also say I don&#8217;t feel any sympathy for this 73 year old guy either.  </p>
<p>My concern is, and always has been, with judges handing down &#8220;unusual&#8221; sentences for the purpose of humiliating someone.  Just sentence the guy to what ever the law allows and be done with it.  In my view, it is the judge having a holier than thou moment.</p>
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		<title>By: dkeppner</title>
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		<dc:creator>dkeppner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 20:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gabe, jail time vs. community service.  Okay, granted the toothbrush may be a little over the top but replace the toothbrush with a scrub brush and you simply have a sentence of cleaning a memorial.  One, which I might add, is a standard community service sentence.  So not so unusual at that.

The man misrepresented himself for the sole purpose of getting money.  Probably has never served his country in any capacity and I seriously doubt he&#039;s ever contributed to his community either.  The judge saw it, stated his disgust and awarded an appropriate sentence.  Far better than chucking the man in jail so taxpayers can pay for his food, board, and medical.

Let&#039;s put an end cap on this.  By making this sentence so public the judge has acheived several objectives.  First and foremost, he weighed the facts and adjudicated the case on its merits.  His sentence in this matter brought to light a fraud which might have otherwise been a simple paragraph in some small town newspaper&#039;s crime blotter.  Lastly, by making the public aware, the judge has probably prevented this man from doing such a crime again.  If not from the shame, then at the least by the community being aware of the scam and his identity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gabe, jail time vs. community service.  Okay, granted the toothbrush may be a little over the top but replace the toothbrush with a scrub brush and you simply have a sentence of cleaning a memorial.  One, which I might add, is a standard community service sentence.  So not so unusual at that.</p>
<p>The man misrepresented himself for the sole purpose of getting money.  Probably has never served his country in any capacity and I seriously doubt he&#8217;s ever contributed to his community either.  The judge saw it, stated his disgust and awarded an appropriate sentence.  Far better than chucking the man in jail so taxpayers can pay for his food, board, and medical.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s put an end cap on this.  By making this sentence so public the judge has acheived several objectives.  First and foremost, he weighed the facts and adjudicated the case on its merits.  His sentence in this matter brought to light a fraud which might have otherwise been a simple paragraph in some small town newspaper&#8217;s crime blotter.  Lastly, by making the public aware, the judge has probably prevented this man from doing such a crime again.  If not from the shame, then at the least by the community being aware of the scam and his identity.</p>
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		<title>By: Gabe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gabe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 19:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RightIsRight-

Die-hard lib?  I&#039;m very conservative.  Having a flamboyant judge like the Anna Nicole one intent on getting his name in the news by meting out &quot;unusual&quot; sentences is hardly what our Founders envisioned.  The sentence also backfires.  People should have no sympathy for someone who steals from veterans; however, when you have an humiliated 73-year-old wearing a placard and being jeered by people, sympathy will naturally switch to him--at least by most normal people.

If the judge wants to shame the 73-year-old, just give him jail time where he can reflect on what he has done wrong.

The Constitution clearly is against &quot;unusual&quot; punishments.  This style of public embarrassment is more in line with what was common in England at the time our Founding Fathers broke off.  It also is not in the American tradition.  And, yes, the judge did get a lot of press from this &quot;unusual&quot; punishment.</description>
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<p>Die-hard lib?  I&#8217;m very conservative.  Having a flamboyant judge like the Anna Nicole one intent on getting his name in the news by meting out &#8220;unusual&#8221; sentences is hardly what our Founders envisioned.  The sentence also backfires.  People should have no sympathy for someone who steals from veterans; however, when you have an humiliated 73-year-old wearing a placard and being jeered by people, sympathy will naturally switch to him&#8211;at least by most normal people.</p>
<p>If the judge wants to shame the 73-year-old, just give him jail time where he can reflect on what he has done wrong.</p>
<p>The Constitution clearly is against &#8220;unusual&#8221; punishments.  This style of public embarrassment is more in line with what was common in England at the time our Founding Fathers broke off.  It also is not in the American tradition.  And, yes, the judge did get a lot of press from this &#8220;unusual&#8221; punishment.</p>
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		<title>By: rightisright</title>
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		<dc:creator>rightisright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 17:59:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#16 looks like a die hard lib, relativist maybe? Must be a deep thinker. Imagining the culprit cleaning the memorial with a toothbrush does not bring sympathy for the scoundrel in my eyes. I say it&#039;s his just desserts. Like any crime...when caught, you must pay the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#16 looks like a die hard lib, relativist maybe? Must be a deep thinker. Imagining the culprit cleaning the memorial with a toothbrush does not bring sympathy for the scoundrel in my eyes. I say it&#8217;s his just desserts. Like any crime&#8230;when caught, you must pay the time.</p>
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		<title>By: twoninerkilo</title>
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		<dc:creator>twoninerkilo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 17:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good for the judge. I hope the S.O.B. has a stroke in the August heat. I&#039;d hate to say what I&#039;d do to the old war profiteer, besides Michelle would&#039;nt let me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good for the judge. I hope the S.O.B. has a stroke in the August heat. I&#8217;d hate to say what I&#8217;d do to the old war profiteer, besides Michelle would&#8217;nt let me.</p>
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		<title>By: The Raging Republican</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Raging Republican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 16:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Bet the taxpayers still have to supply the toothbrush and the bucket!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Might I add that he will probably get some free medical treatment out of this too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Bet the taxpayers still have to supply the toothbrush and the bucket!</p></blockquote>
<p>Might I add that he will probably get some free medical treatment out of this too.</p>
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		<title>By: Bicyea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bicyea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 15:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bet the taxpayers still have to supply the toothbrush and the bucket!</description>
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		<title>By: LaMonte</title>
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		<dc:creator>LaMonte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 14:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it has to be &#039;cruel AND unusual&#039; to be a concern. Is there a level of cruelty here which is greater than jailtime?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it has to be &#8216;cruel AND unusual&#8217; to be a concern. Is there a level of cruelty here which is greater than jailtime?</p>
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		<title>By: Gabe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gabe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 13:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To clarify my comment, America needs &lt;em&gt;uniform&lt;/em&gt; harsh sentences, such as Singapore&#039;s example of giving the death penalty to drug runners and gangsters.  But to have one judge arbitrarily giving strange sentences (perhaps to get on the news) strikes me as &quot;unusual&quot; and probably unconstitutional.  There seems to be too many flamboyant judges like the Anna Nicole one who want publicity.

Finally, to see a bunch of people hooting and jeering an embarrassed, beaten down 73 old man wearing &quot;I stole from veterans&quot; placard forced to clean a memorial with a toothbrush would make most people feel sympathy for the 73 year old--which defeats the purpose this kind of public &quot;shame&quot; punishment.  Jail time would be better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To clarify my comment, America needs <em>uniform</em> harsh sentences, such as Singapore&#8217;s example of giving the death penalty to drug runners and gangsters.  But to have one judge arbitrarily giving strange sentences (perhaps to get on the news) strikes me as &#8220;unusual&#8221; and probably unconstitutional.  There seems to be too many flamboyant judges like the Anna Nicole one who want publicity.</p>
<p>Finally, to see a bunch of people hooting and jeering an embarrassed, beaten down 73 old man wearing &#8220;I stole from veterans&#8221; placard forced to clean a memorial with a toothbrush would make most people feel sympathy for the 73 year old&#8211;which defeats the purpose this kind of public &#8220;shame&#8221; punishment.  Jail time would be better.</p>
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		<title>By: ajmontana</title>
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		<dc:creator>ajmontana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 13:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Judges have been handing down sentences like this forever, making people wear sandwich boards etc. And the only cruelty in this matter comes from the crooks praying on victims from fallen Hero&#039;s. Here&#039;s one example of punishment for dimwits.
http://www.baptiststandard.com/2003/2_24/pages/vandals.html

 There are thousands of others.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Judges have been handing down sentences like this forever, making people wear sandwich boards etc. And the only cruelty in this matter comes from the crooks praying on victims from fallen Hero&#8217;s. Here&#8217;s one example of punishment for dimwits.<br />
<a href="http://www.baptiststandard.com/2003/2_24/pages/vandals.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.baptiststandard.com/2003/2_24/pages/vandals.html</a></p>
<p> There are thousands of others&#8230;..</p>
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