Will the damned fence ever get built?
Mexico is objecting to construction of the security fence on the southern border because it would–horrors!–block the free migration of birds, insects, and pollen. And we can’t have that:
Mexico is calling on the United States to alter a plan to expand border fences designed to stem illegal immigration, saying the barriers would threaten migratory species accustomed to roaming freely across the frontier.
Ways to minimize environmental damage from the fences could include the creation of cross-border bridge areas so that ecosystems remain connected and “green corridors” of wilderness without roads that would be less attractive to smugglers, according to a report released yesterday and prepared for the Mexican government by experts and activists from both nations.
The report also proposed “live” fences of cactuses, removable fencing, and more permeable barriers to allow water, insects and pollen to cross the border.
Mexican government officials aren’t the only ones playing the environment card to block the fence. Both Republican and Democrat lawmakers have joined with Big Business interests to use green arguments to stop construction. And you can bet there are Bush officials behind the scenes nodding their heads and encouraging the delays.
Meanwhile, there’s an RNC rebellion taking place over border security. The WashTimes’ Ralph Hollow reports:
State Republican officials from across the country on Thursday will formally break with the desire of President Bush and other top Republican leaders to include amnesty and other benefits for illegal aliens in immigration-reform legislation.
So far, 47 members of the 168-member Republican National Committee have signed a resolution that unequivocally opposes the Bush-backed policy that would grant legal residency to millions of illegal aliens.
“My signing on to this resolution simply reflects the fact that we in the party around the country fear — and feel that no one in Washington is listening to, or cares about, what we feel about issues and policy,” said Terry Strine, chairman of the Delaware Republican Party. “This lets them know.”
RNC chairman Mel Martinez had no comment.
Will Lindsay Graham and Michael Chertoff condemn the pro-enforcement RNC members as bigots and loud people who want to execute illegal immigrants? Just a matter of time…
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What, like illegal aliens?
Damn, sheik, you beat me to it!!
Incredible. Hmmmm, now that they mention environmental impact, doesn’t all of the garbage and other refuse left by illegals impact the wildlife?
I still can’t believe we have an administration that is obstinately facilitating a foreign invasion. The fact that so many people are trying to rationalize said invasion is even more mindboggling.
hmmm … last I noticed all of these traveled through the air … so I don’t think a fence is going to hinder them from “migrating” … let alone stop them from “migrating” …
OK, you don’t want a fence….. How about we just use snipers? A .39 cent bullet is way cheaper then a multi million dollar fence.
This is really an issue of Homeland Security. Let’s face it, the terrorists who hijacked airplanes on September 11th did so from inside our U.S. boarders. They received training on how to fly those planes while inside the U.S.
In a post 9/11 world, if you want to be able to lay your head down at night and know that our boarders are safe then we must militarize our boarders. I know it will never happen, but we need to take the same approach with our boarders as they did with the Berlin wall, and shoot to kill anyone who is attempting to cross into our country illegally. We have to lock down our boarders. It’s a matter of national security, and in a post 9/11 world it is the approach we have to take.
After September 11th the rules changed, and now anyone that is trying to run across our boarder is a threat to our security and it should be treated like an invasion. Lethal force is justifiable to securing our nations security in a time of war such as this.
PBoilermaker
You are correct … we have tons of trash and garbage strewn around the Arizona desert annually …
I can’t wait to get one of these fences around my property. If pollen can’t get though it, imagine what it can do for my allergies!
I can also see farmers building this type of fence around their fruit trees that are damaged by birds. What a great concept.
It was never destined to get built.
Let the politicians screw us around all they want for the next year. They’re going to have to “step up to the plate” a year from now if they want to get elected or re-elected. The chickens will come home to roust. I can’t wait to see the Democrats squirming over the illegal alien issue. I’m guessing that they will make several desparate attempts to resolve the issue before the election season begins. Let’s not let our guard down.
Why can’t Bush and his illegal-loving cabinet officials be this creative and persistent in offering reasoning to back issues like OIF/OEF?
No.
Well, at least not until the North East Concrete Association (based in NJ) realizes how many tons of concrete and rebar will be needed to actually build the wall.
Of course, once the International Truckers of America (based in Memphis)realize the concrete panels have to be moved to the border, it will virtually be a done deal.
Throw in the Heavy Equipment Operators Consortium (based in Chicago), who have to dig, trench and place the concrete slabs and the answer quickly changes to - Yes, the will get built.
You just have to know who to ask and which lobbyist to approach.
[Just a tad of sarcasm]
The DMZ between North and South Korea has created one of the most protected wildlife areas in the world. Many endangered species thrive there because there is no crossing. http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/science/20020313-9999_1c13dmz.html
So if Mexico is so concerned with the environment, let’s suggest a buffer zone in addition to the fence for the wildlife and no crossings for Mexican illegals through it.
Of course, a migratory species is more important than national security and the rights of States from millions of illegals crossing the borders. Silly us…I thought our country had rights. Didn’t realize Mexico made the rules for how we run our country.
Yeah because Mexico is such a haven of environmental friendly policy and culture. NOT!
I’ve been all around the world and Mexico is one of the biggest sh!th@les I have ever seen.
You don’t want a fence built, nameless and faceless Mexican officials? Here are the terms:
1. Identify Mexican officials on the payroll of drug cartels who manage and organize the “Coyotes” who are smuggling people.
2. Give the US extradition rights to bring said Mexican officials into the US for trial and sentencing, then detainment at GITMO for jeopardizing the security of the United States of America.
3) Pay the United States 1,000,000 barrels of oil per day for every illegal crosser who is arrested and deported back to Mexico.
4) Underwrite the cost of implanting GPS monitoring devices in each deported criminal in order to reduce the cost of tracking and apprehending any repeat offenders.
5) Construct border surveillance apparatus on the Mexican side of the border with shared tracking technologies (a “We see what you see” system) so that Mexico is a full “border control” partner with the USA, complete with US observers in your towers and Mexican observers in our towers to facilitate accountability in border surveillance.
6) The USA retains the right to shoot to kill on sight any vehicle assisting groups of prospective border crosser, using missles, bullets or air strikes (manned or unmanned) to deter illegal crossings.
Is there anything else that the nameless and faceless Mexican officials see fit to add to this “negotiation”?
I’m happy to see RNC members stand up to the President on this. They weren’t so bold when he nominated Mel Martinez as chairman — both of Oklahoma’s committee members caved under political pressure from above. But the structure of the RNC — three members per state, no matter how populous or how strong the party is — makes it unlikely that a majority will sign this petition.
No, as long as Gobalists are in office. We need Nationalists. The open borders is just one part of a larger war to change American culture.
Remember, America is not a place, it is an idea we share with all people of the world. Kind of like the Tower of Babel.
Oh, i forgot, nameless and faceless Mexican officials.
Here is #7 on the list of our demands.
7) $1.50 per USD for the $10 Billion leaving our country each year for the past 5 years due to illegal workers sending money back to Mexico.
And then there is #8 (a corollary to #7):
9) The right to detain, document, and implant with a GPS tracking device, every Mexican leaving the country and using official border crossings. Of course that is worth about 50 barrels of oil per convict.
The goal here, nameless and faceless Mexican officials, is to instill in your noggins how expensive it is to *BORROW* money in today’s market. You have been borrowing money interest free and not paying it back since 1848. This ends today.
Stuff your tacos with them beans.
Does the US have the will to get tough on the border question when there are at least 40,000 Americans living near the Copper Canyon region of Chihuahua, “owning the land” and farming it for profit?
I have acquaintances from Berkeley who have sold their homes here in California and have built new homes there and live there year round now. It is a growing trend due to high retirement costs in California.
Is the US fearful of retaliation? What would be the recourse of Americans who are doing just that? My aunt just bought a beach cottage for year round living in Baja….what it would cost to buy the same cottage and lot beachfront in Malibu ($3.4 million) she bought for $150,000….same ocean etc.
So how committed is the US to border security when the economic incentive to Americans turns “no border” into a win-win windfall?
re: The Raging Republican
Dictionary:
Boarder
noun
1 a person who receives regular meals when staying somewhere, in return for payment or services.
• a student who lives at school during the semester in return for payment.
Border
noun
1 a line separating two political or geographical areas, esp. countries
• a district near such a line
2 the edge or boundary of something, or the part near it
Leepro#19:
It is grate to reed ewe.
For her safety I hope she lives in a community with other Americans and gated security. I had a few friends do a similar thing, bought a few homes on the coast, and they were ” encouraged ” to pay protection by the locals. They stayed a few months but after being followed around town and the obvious lack of any usefull police force they sold the homes and moved back home to the US.
Fences? Fences? We don’t need no stinkin’ fences!
http://takeourcountryback-snooper.blogspot.com/2007/07/house-panel-to-probe-mexicos-role-in.html
Someone needs to tell the blasted Mexicans where to go… and I don’t mean across the border either!
re: bear1909
Tanks allot!
Yu two
The economic incentive to US business and voting incentive to the Democratic party is just the reason there is little incentive by the US government to protect the border. WHich is why we concerened citizens must continue to perservere.
Also, despite the low cost, US citizens should be extra cautious in moving to a 3rd world country such as Mexico, and investing in real estate. I would think Mexico wouldn’t want to interupt a cash influx that US emigrees provide, but you never know. You are at their mercy.
Image: Bear1909 with his lab coat on, with wizard hat jauntily askew, while he
Genetically engineers alligators who can live on land, will eat only Mexicans and piss gasoline.
In short, a species of Gator that would be doing the job most politicians don’t want to do.
Apparently the RNC is up to its neck in cash from small donors and can afford to put a stick in the eye of the conservative base.
bear1909, please write congress and feel free to use my name too. You’ve got the best idea of any politician I’ve heard, including Tancredo and Hunter.
I find it amazing that a nation that can win the Cold War, defeat imperial Japan, and defeat Nazi Germany has trouble telling a dirty, rasist, and corrupt little nation like Mexico how things are going to be done. Are we worried about upsetting them because we fear damaging are “great” relations with them? Mexico and its citizens hold us in contempt and can’t believe how stupid America is for allowing this silliness to go on. Just visit Mexico if you don’t believe me (don’t take your car). Just on the other side of the Arizona border is a filthy and denuded landscape that shows no indication of environmental concern. Now the Arizona side is beginning to look like a landfill due to the hordes of illegal aliens that pass through. Don’t be an American sissy. Stand up for America’s sovereignty just as Mexico stands up for theirs.
What happens if you *attempt to* run through the security checkpoint at an airport, courthouse, or other governmental building? Answer: You get shot.
What happens if you *attempt to* run through the security checkpoint at a military installation? Answer: You get shot.
What happens if you succeed in running across the American border into a neighboring sovereign nation? Answer: Nothing.
Some things just don’t make sense no matter how you look at them…
What wildlife?????
The Mexicans they should be on the endangered species list and kept there!
We just need to keep up the heat on these elected officials…the power of the vote will make these corrupt scum do the right thing…it’ll be difficult, and it’ll take a concentrated effort on all our part…keep those phone calls and e:mails going to your representatives….write letters….this is an important time in America…so let them know how important this is….
OrlandoCajun#29: Will do!
Pollen. Now I’m scared.
How will all that lettuce reproduce?
Never mind - they want to take your pistils away anyway…
Nice try Chertie, claiming to be an unnamed Mexican official - wait, maybe that’s true!
Michael Moore is working on his next movie called “Sneezo” which exposes our evil plan to keep pollen bottled up in Mexico.
somebody sez -
“My aunt just bought a beach cottage for year round living in Baja….what it would cost to buy the same cottage and lot beachfront in Malibu ($3.4 million) she bought for $150,000….same ocean etc.”
Yup. Word is that beachfront property in Hell goes for considerably less than $150,000.
xler8bmw said:
Err…don’t go over the edge, there, xler8bmw.
There is no intention of building a fence. Let’s not pretend. We will have our chance to comment at the next election. Do Not Forget!
Mexico has one of the world’s worst environmental records.
Even a liberal shouldn’t believe they care about the border environment. If they did, they would stop mass illegal crossings, stop polluting the Rio Grande and the west coast ocean, clean up Mexico City, …
I know this is a serious issue, and I mean no disrespect by making light of it, but when will the President ever protect red state borders from blue state migration? Arizona is overrun by AARP liberals, and the Florida border is under siege.
Not the border near Cuba, the border near South Carolina. As my dad said when I told him the hurricanes were making Florida a disaster area, he replied, “Son, with all the liberals coming from Long Island, it’s already a disaster area.”
Nobody wakes up and says, “Let’s Move to Masschussetts!”
Mr. President, blue staters have messed up their own states. Do not let them invade red state America. Protect the red state borders now.
http://blacktygrrrr.wordpress.com/2007/06/16/our-other-border-problem/
Respectfully,
eric
Where is Johnny Sutton, he isn’t at the hearing for those Border Agents. Is he on vacation like the Iraqi Parliment?
To Gayle:
I am deleting more and more of your comments. They border on hate speech (wishing people dead is real hate speech, not the fake liberal kind).
Unless you dial it back you’re going to lose your commenting privileges.
Well, Darlin Gayle, i was trying to conserve water by creating a waterless gator.
Around here I like to flash my “La Migra” card that I made myself and laminated for my wallet. Whenever I am paying for something and the help is *OBVIOUSLY A CRIMINAL ALIEN* I let it flap open at the counter.
Never fails. They bolt into the back room and make some English speaking supervisor come out and ask “Is there a problem, Sir?”
“Yes. Your employee is showing remarkably poor customer service by not being able to communicate effectively with me and answer my questions. The service is so bad here I have changed my mind and will not be making my purchase after all. By the way, are you aware of the maximum penalty for hiring somebody with a fake SS card? Good day….beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeotchhhhh.”
Of course, I am wearing my Newsmax “Border Patrol” cap.
I have a sign on my porch that is readable to the neighbors and passers-by:
“We uphold all the laws of these United States and do not employ ILLEGAL WORKERS on the premises. Do you?”
This quickly put a stop to all of the little flyers and crap business cards left by illegals/criminals who were wanting to pull our weeds, paint our house, clean our house (get access to the interior), and do “lon-skeppeen” (landscaping).
My neighborhood has no shame, nor do California contractors.
And most of the folks who hire illegals/criminals to do their heavier work are shocked when there is no “warranty” on the work they paid for….stuff falls apart.
Retaining walls are a big one around here..earthquake country. Big cracks, no re-bar….oh, but it was such a bargain.
Pendejos!
Hello all.
Hope this is not a foolish question, but how does one [partialy] quote and respond to a previous post?
Thanks,
gL
This is actually hysterical!
Yup, when I want to keep birds and pollen and insects out of my backyard I put up a wall !!!
Especially pollen. Yup. Nuthin’ like a good old-fashioned solid brick wall to keep out pollen.
So it’s easy for me to sympathize with Mexican concern for all those beetles and ants, who for years have been freely driving their tiny little dune-buggies across the US-Mexico border, who will now be forced to drive to a border check point and wait on line.
I know I ought to be incensed. But really, this one was hilarious.
Rick,
I beg to differ. I am not stating anything about HATE to any living being.
Most of what I say is tongue in cheek.
Please allow me the privilege of REVIEWING what you consider “hate”.
I didn’t know you were censoring free speech. Please don’t tell me this site is doing what they condemn so vehemently.
Example please?
Boarder vs Border:
Yeah, I can’t spell to save my life….. but at least you read the whole thing!
you mean like that?
the way i do it, and it’s probably proof that i dont have opposing thumbs, is copy the block i want to quote, click on “quote” on the Leave a comment window, paste the copy, then click on the /quote button.
then preview it to make sure the block is preceded by a
thingy.
Hey! it works even if you don’t use the buttons
Boooo-yah!
Hiya gL - just run your mouse over the text (it’ll “turn blue”) you want to quote, then right-click and choose copy.
Then just paste it in the response box.
To quote someone, again run your mouse over the text you just pasted into the box. Then click on “quote” from the little menu on top of the box.
The word “blockquote” will appear before/after the the text you highlighted in blue.
Click preview to check it out and redo as needed.
Then you should be good to go!
(Unless you’re using a Mac, in that case, nevermind…)
Da Bear beat me to da explanation!
purplePeep: DOH!
Somehow I get the feeling that if they moved Washington, DC right up along the southern border the excuses for not building a fence would be few and far between.
That’s just a little different from my routine. I highlight the text I paste in so when I hit “quote”, the “blockquote” tag appears at both the start/finish of the text in one shot. Terribly lazy, I am.
Sign on my ol friend’s farm in Southern Illinois:
“This is private property. We shoot every third unannounced visitor. Feelin’ special are ya?”
im·mi·grant /ˈɪmɪgrənt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[im-i-gruhnt] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. a person who migrates to another country, usually for permanent residence.
2. an organism found in a new habitat.
–adjective 3. of or pertaining to immigrants and immigration: a department for immigrant affairs.
4. immigrating.
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[Origin: 1780–90, Americanism;
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mi·grant /ˈmaɪgrənt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[mahy-gruhnt] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective 1. migrating, esp. of people; migratory.
–noun 2. a person or animal that migrates.
3. Also called migrant worker. a person who moves from place to place to get work, esp. a farm laborer who harvests crops seasonally.
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[Origin: 1665–75;
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illegal alien
–noun 1. a foreigner who has entered or resides in a country unlawfully or without the country’s authorization.
2. a foreigner who enters the U.S. without an entry or immigrant visa, esp. a person who crosses the border by avoiding inspection or who overstays the period of time allowed as a visitor, tourist, or businessperson. Compare resident alien.
Also called illegal immigrant.
Wonder if there’s an etymological relationship to “migrane”?
“Immigranes”? hmmmm.
so for which group do we need a fence?
let’s be clear.
Well, if we are doing quotes:
“Good fences make good neighbors”
-Robert Frost
Well, I don’t get migraines, Bear, much less always spell the word correctly. At any rate, they are at least legal so I guess they get a pass. heh.
“Good neighbors make good fences” - me
The only GD kind of migratory species that Mexico and our back stabbing politicians and business interests care about is the two legged variety.
Mexico would willingly destroy millions of animals to keep billions in illegally obtained remittances coming.
This is just another excuse to throw up their hands and say oh well we can’t do it.
It’s a good thing these willing saboteurs weren’t in charge of NASA in the 60s we’d still have Astronauts floating around trying to reach the Moon.
Waiting for my response from Rick.
I ask others - if I have posted any HATE messages, I truly apologize, but I do not believe that I have.
Correct me if I am wrong.
I kinda like that idea someone brought up of dredging a new “Panama Canal” all along the US border….talk about a great manpower project for the ages…like the Hoover Dam.
It would screw the Chinese, who Carter let take over the Canal Zone- one of his more brilliant moves.
I am so sick of this country’s government being SCHTOOPUD.
Watch Your tone young man! LOL!
You guys and gals are great!
Thanks for the help.
Happy to be here.
-gL
Wow, my thumbs are opposing now :p
Is there some way to offer free medical care to
???
Mr. President, build up this wall!
Let’s compare the environmental damage from a fence to the environmental damage of a dirty bomb being set off downtown USA.
I have no faith that the US gov’t is going to do anything significant to protect our borders until after the next successful major terrorist attack on our soil. I will be thrilled to be proven absolutely wrong.
Well, gayle, I’ll stick my nose in here to interject just a few thoughts.
I wouldn’t expect much in the way of an ongoing convo with Rick on this. Not because he’s a bad guy o anything like that.
I’ve done a bit of “modding” going back to the Jurassic Era of the internet. Most mods don’t get into long debates as to what’s kosher and what ain’t. It just takes up to much time and energy & serves no purpose pointing out the minutae of perceived problematic posts. It just kinda drags on and on and on, etc.
I obviously can’t speak as to what Rick has in mind. I know that all of us sometimes have lapses of judgment; probably half my posts, for various reasons, never make it to “submit comment” stage. And that’s a good thing, lol.
I try to not to abuse Michelle’s hospitality, I don’t know that I always succeed. I’m sure that you have no inclination or interest in intentionally doing so either.
We’re all both or own best and worst judges - at the same time : )
What I would suggest, if you are really curious, would be to email Rick at his website. (from the link in his name). I don’t know that he has the time to handle all his email (which of us does, lol?) right away. But I’m bettin’ a short friendly note asking what could be considered “inappropiate” would maybe get you a short, friendly note back. You may still not agree with Rick’s objections, but at least you’d get an idea of what may be considered out-of-line.
Also, mods don’t usually go much for public dramas and prefer things be handled “off the board”, so that’s another factor.
I’m not aware of what was considered objectionable and I’m positive you would never intend to come off as such, gayle.
Well, you didn’t ask for my 2 cents but I threw ‘em in anyway, hahaha! (Can you spare a dime - now I’m broke!)
Thanks purplepeep!
I will just show the love from now on.
Mexico complaining? Say it ain’t so!
Are they complaining about our free education? Healthcare? Revolving door policy? Auto insurance - Oh..they don’t use that.
No amount of money or number of phone calls will get that fence built, or the border closed. Somewhere along the line, folks are going to TELL the government to get it done, not request.
Just the way it works.
I can feel the love even now, gayle. I’m all a ‘tingle!
best wishes
So now they’re no longer Undocumented Americans they’re “migratory species”?
Illegal aliens burying border in garbage
TUCSON - After three years of cleanups, the federal government has achieved no better than a 1 percent solution for the problem of trash left in southern Arizona by illegal border-crossers. Cleanup crews from various agencies, volunteer groups and the Tohono O’odham Nation hauled about 250,000 pounds of trash from thousands of acres of federal, state and private land across southern Arizona from 2002 to 2005, says the U.S. Bureau of Land Management. But that’s only a fraction of the nearly 25 million pounds of trash thought to be out there. Authorities estimate the 3.2 million-plus immigrants caught by the Border Patrol dropped that much garbage in the southern Arizona desert from July 1999 through June 2005. The figure assumes that each illegal immigrant discards eight pounds of trash, the weight of some abandoned backpacks found in the desert.
traveler49 said:
It doesn’t work on goats, though. As you know, according to Trent Lott, “There ain’t no fence big enough, high enough, strong enough, that you can keep those goats in that fence.” And that’s why there are herds of untameable goats surging down the streets of Manhattan right this minute.
Well, I want Algoracle on this right away. Of course, trash cans is the answer, people. I used to live in AZ
and Nogales is one of the worst places I had ever seen. My mother didn’t let go of me for a second. Open sewers,
etc. I have no reason to believe that it has improved in the past 40 years, but we need to secure our borders and information NOW.
The Fence issue is going to be brought up tonight on Lou Dobbs..the fence vs the enviormentalist.
Fox Just announced that Dog Chapman charges dropped -statue of limitation so he isn’t going to be spending any time in a Mexican Prison.