Outrage: CAIR’s war on Robert Spencer, Young America’s Foundation
Where are all the free-speech activists when you need them? Well, when it comes to protecting the free speech of those who criticize jihad and its apologists, the free-speech protectors are hiding under their bedcovers. Wetting their pants. Covering their ears, squeezing their eyes shut, and rocking themselves to sleep.
Via Bryan Preston, read this threatening letter from the Council on American-Islamic Relations to the head of the Young America’s Foundation. YAF is holding its annual student conference this week in Washington. I spoke there yesterday, as did many other noted conservatives. Intrepid author and Jihad Watch founder Robert Spencer is scheduled to speak there tomorrow.
CAIR is demanding that Spencer be shut down. Spread this letter far and wide. It tells you everything you need to know about CAIR’s anti-American contempt for free speech and legal bullying tactics:
Robert Spencer responds:
Note the personal smears, the attempt to bully and intimidate, and the non-specificity of the charges against me (they can’t be specific, because I don’t say anything inaccurate about them — or about Islam or jihad).
Note also the irony: this letter comes a day after CAIR’s Ibrahim Hooper slandered me on national television by ascribing to me hateful words written by someone else — which appeared on this site for about an hour, during which, lo and behold, someone at CAIR was watching.
I was speaking to a YAF official who told me that I was scheduled to speak as planned: “CAIR can go to Hell and they can take their 72 virgins with them.”
My own reply to CAIR: remember McAuliffe at Bastogne.
Bravo. It’s good to see YAF and Robert refuse to be intimidated. We’ll be covering the speech that CAIR doesn’t want you to hear at Hot Air. So stay tuned for that.
This is no isolated incident. CAIR has been targeting Spencer for years, and was successful in intimidating National Review into pulling a book from its book service for which Spencer had written an ad. CAIR has targeted several conservative talk radio hosts, the the anti-CAIR website, scholar Daniel Pipes, author/journalist David Frum, and veteran conservative commentator Cal Thomas in a bid to silence dissent about its jihad-sympathizing ways.
Where have all the free-speech crusaders been? Yes, there they are:
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Fun Fact from commenter Dersu: CAIR’s legal counsel, Joseph Sandler, is also the DNC’s counsel…
“From February 1993 until May 1998, Mr. Sandler served on the staff of the DNC as general counsel. He continues to serve in that position through his law firm.”
Charles Johnson at LGF: “This group of Saudi-funded unindicted co-conspirators really is getting bold.”
Related: Stanley Kurtz notes efforts overseas by Saudi apologists for terror who are bullying publishers and silencing critics by demanding a purge of anti-jihad books from their shelves. Same m.o. here and there. Same need for vigilance here and there.
CAIR and its ilk thrive on appeasement, apathy, and the gutlessness of those in the academic and legal worlds who have made lucrative careers out of preaching the sanctity of free speech and thought–but haven’t the balls to defend them when push comes to jihadi shove.
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How American. If you dont like what someone says, sue them. I love YAF’s response. Great organization. Anyone with college aged kids should look into their student conferences.
And they regularly throw the Washington Times’ Audrey Hudson out of any CAIR press conference she shows up to cover, too.
They’re a joke. What a bunch of prima donnas.
Good for YAF and Spencer.
As I said before, we need to stop CAIR before it turns the White House into the white mosque.
Read that letter and tell me they aren’t hellbent on controlling all of us under the caliphate.
As regards Charles Johnson’s comment, I can’t help but wonder if they are getting bold or desperate. CAIR may be losing some of their support in the MSM these days. Hooper did not come off well on that CNN session. However, no one really pounced when he talked about how CAIR is opposed to any religion being subjected to offense or intimidation. Why not ask Hooper for CAIR’s statement denouncing the treatment of Christians in Egypt, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Afghanistan, and even Iraq, to name a few? And what about CAIR’s statement denouncing the Islam-wide, systemic abuse, insult and intimidation of Jews worldwide?
CAIR is being shown to be a mindless mouthpiece for Islamic extremism and it is starting to hurt them. I recall reading somewhere that their membership numbers are way down and I believe their revenue is being impacted as well. Of course, they do get the bulk of their funding from overseas, but that’s a different topic.
I applaud Robert Spencer and especially the YAF for standing up to CAIR’s bullying. It may take a few brave souls to get the ball rolling, but eventually CAIR will be marginalized and rendered largely harmless.
McAuliffe at Bastogne; my kind of guy.
Where’s the ACLU? I’ve never heard of a lawyer threaten someone not to say something especially not knowing what they intend to say. Don’t these idiots know enough about our culture to understand that intimidation only increases our resolve? Don’t they know that we have a Constitution and we’re not ruled under Sharia law? If they care so much about terrorism, what are they afraid of?
Maybe Robert should get his own attorney to fire back a warning to them about interfering with his livelyhood. Maybe even a lawsuit would be in order. I encourage Robert to keep on telling it like it is. America is with you.
Since I can’t help myself, I googled the lawyer who wrote that letter.
http://www.sandlerreiff.com/bio_sandler.htm
What a surprise! He’s a D.C. election law practitioner who has long-standing ties to the Democratic party.
orlandocajun: ACLU? You mean the “Anti Christian Leftist Union”? They will only defend those things that attack American values. And that includes Judeo-Christian values and ethics. So, when it comes to Islam: If you are a Christian or a Jew (or Hindu), the ACLU is not for you.
That is one kick-ass sentence, Michelle!
I think, though, they’re going too far, and they’re going to find there are far more Americans ready to go “balls on” than they ever imagined.
No submission. No retreat.
Read the lawyer’s bio HERE
This is a small quote:
“From February 1993 until May 1998, Mr. Sandler served on the staff of the DNC as general counsel. He continues to serve in that position through his law firm.”
What more do we need to know?
Pray tell what the last sentence containing “whether you intend to comply with these requests” means? Veiled threats and intimidation. CAIR has no idea the harm they have done to the Muslim community and the mistrust people now have, largely due to their antics. Worse yet, the Muslim communities have remained silent and allowed them to speak for them. They are sadly mistaken if they think the average citizen of the U.S. will quietly accept the errosion of their free speech like they have in the EU.. Even a 4th grader knows that without free speech the rest of the Constitution is meaningless.
B,b,b,but I thought CAIR “upholded the First Amendment everyday”???
Has anyone heard about reactions from the ACLU or MoveOn.org to further attacks on Freedom of Speech in thsi country? After Campaign Finance “Reform” and “Fairness” Doctrine, Pace Univ and the Koran, now this. I’m waiting……
Lawyers and law firms are known by the clients they represent. As such all of us should take that into consideration if and when we have to recommend or employ the services of a legal firm.
If Mr. Sander choses to represent clients such as CAIR we are free to consider that when selecting a law firm.
CAIR’s method of operation are threats of discrimination and litigation. This is their legal fatwa to people who speak out against them and tell the truth of their terrorist ties to Hamas and Hezbollah. Simply Google “CAIR lawsuits” and you will see.
Muslims who don’t assimilate to our culture and Western civilization despise democracy. Yet they understand they can use our laws to suit themselves when needed to intimidate and deny (see John Doe litigation and attempt at changing laws in Congress).What they forget is that the foundation of the US has an important law, freedom of speech. So many of their trivial lawsuits are dismissed.
Robert Spencer is a good man who is not afraid of their intimidation (nor is Michelle Malkin).
orlandocajun
CAIR is the Muslim ACLU … both are rife with Anti-American values …
I hope none of those being persecuted and demonized by them ever give in to their threats … and any organization or company that succumbs to those forms of harassment does not deserve the business and support of real Americans …
I hope they keep showing their true colors to the American people … same goes for the DEMO-CRAPs …
I recall the Japanese Admiral Yamamoto, right after the attack on Pearl Harbor, is quoted as saying “I fear we have awakened a sleeping giant” … well … we need another awakening in this country …
When it comes I think many will be surprised at the strength and swiftness with which the people of this country will mobilize …
I’m thinking there should be another, more descriptive, catch-all tag for CAIR-related postings: “Terrorist Front Groups”.
I loved Robert Spencer’s answer to CAIR:
“My own reply to CAIR: remember McAuliffe at Bastogne.”
This will explain the meaning:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_McAuliffe
CAIR’s campaign of intimidation against critics of Islam is simply jihad by other means, funded by the same Saudi Arabia that funded the Sep 11 skyjackers. It is the Saudi Wahhabis who pull the strings at CAIR and who are making war on America by proxy. The ultimate and insane goal of the Saudi Wahhabis is to make America submit to Islam. Our ultimate goal should be to destroy Saudi Arabia. As long as the Saudi princes supply petrodollars to the Wahhabi clerics to perpetrate their evil in America and around the globe, we will never be safe.
Note to self: buy more ammunition
I love Robert’s and YAF response. I also listen to Andrew Wilkow take Mr. Hooper to task. I miss Andrew on Sunday mornings. As Gen. McAuliffe said to the German high command at Bastogne, I say with out fear of contradiction, to these thugs and that is what CAIR is a bunch of thugs “NUTS”! God Bless you all who Stand up these Anti-American thugs and their ilk.
reply post #10 24Klady said:
Pray tell what the last sentence containing “whether you intend to comply with these requests” means?
CAIR needs to know if they have to buy airline tickets for “Islamic Rage Boy” and his posse.
Our leaders need to stop the political correct speech about the religion of peace and tell it like it is as John Howard did in Australia:
http://hotair.com/archives/2006/09/01/howard-urges-muslims-to-assimilate-muslim-leader-threatens-riots/
His Australian treasurer, Peter Costello said, “If persons want to live under sharia law, [then] these are countries where they may feel at ease, but not Australia.” Of course, he was labeled an Islamophobe by their answer to CAIR as this is their favorite tactic.
In other words, fellas, assimilate or go back to where you came from.
Hey CAIR, who CARES…they are a small heavily funded (by the stinking Saudis) organization with a relatively small membership. It is filled with Islamic scum, trying to change our culture and laws to fit their sick and antiquated religious views. They will cheat, lie, bully and sue anyone that does not agree with their views. I applaud anyone that stands up to them. They’re just lucky I’m not in charge…they’d be under investigation until they folded like a cheap card table. Then, I’d go after the ACLU..
Don’t you love this language:
They DEMAND. They don’t ask, they don’t respectfully request, they DEMAND. How in the world have they become so bold? This is truly scary stuff
I always thought CAIR was NUTS!
#10, You mean the peaceful Muslims on trial in Dallas for sending money to terror groups, or all those peaceful Muslims marching in support for Hizbolla in Dearborn, MI.? Perhaps, the peaceful flying Imams was what you meant.
This country no longer belongs to Americans – born, bred, and legalized here.
We may become slaves to the Islamic culture and I personally feel betrayed by our government.
What in the world can we do?????
After reading all the posts so far about CAIR, I drafted something off the top of my head “How to Neutralize the Political Influence of CAIR- From Soup to Nuts.”
8 simple steps using the legal system, the media, and our communities to counter CAIR. The upside kicker- turn the tide against their cousins at the ACLU.
Now is this the kind of thing that should be posted freely? Or will it taint the reputation of this online community and invite “trouble”?
Weird thing this free speech.
Note to self: start buying and warehousing pigskins to use for burial shrouds
Uh huh! And then switch it (sort of) by telling the YAF to notify them of whether they intend to “comply” with these *requests*.
Classic abuse.
Stop crying Gayle, and get in the gym. Make sure you have a right to carry permit.
As for me, I prefer a line of fire, single invelopment, poping smoke, and shifting fire left, or right depending on terrian. Of course, there are those American who need to wait for the Police to defend them.
CAIR is becoming careless. But maybe they have become accustomed to the politics of PC on college campuses where hapless Student Affairs “professionals” have enabled these intimidation tactics?
What are the campus officials, who administer the student activities budgets for YAF and other student organizations, doing about CAIR and Muslim Student Association intimidation on campus?
Is CAIR’s boldness to try and intimidate recognized campus student organizations somehow allowable under the present “best practices” for student affairs on campus?
Folks might be surprised how much money these campus organizations get each year to operate during the year. The usual practice is for the “Student Government” to allot more money each year to the groups who organize well in their particular niche.
But how much of every dollar of student fees goes to an organization like a campus chapter of the Muslim Student Association, which in turn *might* be funneling “in-kind resources” to CAIR such as fees for speaking engagements, “cultural activities”, and “training”?
What *is* the relationship between the hundreds of Muslim Student Association Chapters and CAIR’s offices around the country?
Why did CAIR make the strategic mistake of writing an intimidating letter instead of having representatives of the Muslim Student Association do it?
Seems ham fisted to me. And why I think they are getting careless.
Leatherneck, what does “get in the gym” imply?
You guys use masculine terms that I do not understand. Sorry!
They are using the courts to make us submit to Sharia Law.
The second half of that famous Yamamoto quote was “and filled it with a terrible resolve.” That was the kicker, not that we were mad as hell, but that we weren’t going to take it anymore.
The question is: Do we Americans have a terrible resolve anymore to keep our democracy alive, to keep our Constitution viable, to beat back any and all assaults on our freedoms? When it comes to Muslim intimidation, so far the answer from our leading institutions (courts, govt., universities, media) has been a resounding NO. Don’t publish the cartoons or we’ll kill you! The cartoons go unpublished. Bring hate crime charges against protected speech at Pace University or we’ll kill you! The hate crime charges are brought.
At other times in our history, the media or the university would have said “Up Yours, we’ll decide!” but not anymore.
“Live free or die?” That’s not anymore either. It seems we’ve become fat, lazy, and apathetic. We’ll take the bondage, so long as it comes with a government check and a promise not to kill us…today.
No. Resolve. At. All. Only prostrating and submission.
Dear Gayle,
I am implying you can be proactive. You do not have to wait until doomsday comes upon you. Everybody is different, and has thier own way of being part of the solution.
Get in the gym means to work out, and grow stronger by runnning, hand to hand combat drills with the bag, and weight training. CAIR is not the only threat out there.
So tired of the “ACLU only fights against Christians” meme. It’s not true guys, and we as conservatives make ourselves sound foolish when we repeat it.
http://www.aclufightsforchristians.com/
I’m willing to be regaled with stories of ACLU attacks on Islamists. Whaddya got, Yashmak?
Oh, Now I get it!
I have birthed two kids….that is the extent of my working out!
I’ll just arm myself.
I’m with you, purplepeep! Where is the ACLU filing suits against foot baths, prayer rooms, etc. for Muslim students in schools? Where does the ACLU stand on separate facilities for Muslim girls and women so that they are not upset by Western (Judeo-Christian) values?
But let’s face it, CAIR and groups like them have learned at the ACLU’s knee. Intimidate, threaten lawsuits, etc. That’s how you destroy a culture…
Note to self: send email to CAIR poobah Ibrahim Cooper reminding him that Mohammed’s momma rode shotgun on the garbage wagon and wore kosher panties.
Dear CAIR,
Iron rod, yourself, screw.
Assemble as you see fit.
Rational Thought
Thanks for completing the quote …
CAIR IS THE ENEMY.. GET USED TO IT.
Now Cambridge University Press has caved to the threat of lawsuit from the Saudis, and will pull and destroy “offensive” books it has published. Appalling. Sharia begins…
Read on:
http://www.public-integrity.org/article/invent_index.php?id=391
and
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZTU1YWI5NWI4MWMyYmI0ZTdlYzE2YzA1MjI2MzZmZTA=
Doesn’t seem so. Supporters of the Bush administration may be the worst offenders, however, with their tacit approval of illegal wiretapping, torture, signing statements, etc.
Political correctness is our de facto constitution. Washington must look first to political correctness for guidance, then to corporate sponsors, then to the voting blocs.
CAIR will be CAIR, but who let them in in the first place? Those are the ones I blame.
Let Hopper and CAIR continue their diatribe, they will soon dig their own grave as they are very quickly losing any support from the American people and others who are civilized.
Rena
A standing “O” for Robert Spencer and YAF and their courage and boldness to refuse to be intimidated! HooAhh!
Two words:
KITHMAN; Hiding the Truth
Kithman is a command to deliberately conceal one’s beliefs. Muslims are commanded to purposefully hide what they truly believe in order to mislead outsiders as to the true nature of their religion.
TAQIYA; Taqiya is defined by one Shia’ Muslim commentator thusly:word “al-Taqiyya” literally means: “Concealing or disguising one’s beliefs, convictions, ideas, feelings, opinions, and/or strategies at a time of imminent danger, whether now or later in time, to save oneself from physical and/or mental injury.” A one-word translation would be “Dissimulation.”
With these two principals in mind, it is easy to see the rational behind CAIRS irrational behavior. Obfuscation and concealment of true purpose is a Muslim hallmark in any incorporation of territory, and has been since the beginning of Islam.
Now’s the time to demand that CAIR be added to the government’s list of organizations that support international terrorism. If the Bush people won’t do it, then their “war on terror” is exposed as a phony war, as Newt Gingrich charged.
Bush, Chertoff, and Gonsalves are silent while a foreign government spreads hatred through our country every day. As for Hillary, Edwards, and Obama, two are too simple to know what is happening, and the other has her husband on the payroll.
Alphonse get a clue!
Another right granted by the Constitution is the right to peaceable assembly. This is still *barely* a free country. Unfortunately that gives groups — no matter how hostile, ignorant or hateful the right to organize, until they break the law. No one had to “let them in”.
What we need to do as Americans is fight the injustice they are trying to impose. CAIR has the will and the resources to fight us, do we have the resolve to fight them?
I don’t believe the majority of Americans do.
Funny, but I have yet to see the Anti Christian Litigation Unit file suit about any of the forced Islam ” education ” in any school district but hey hang a picture in your history class that says God Bless America and in they come accusing teachers and schools of promoting Christianity.
While this is certainly meant as an insult against no one, we as conervatives need to move the conversation along a little bit.
“Where are is the ACLU?” we keep asking over and over. “Where is the mainstream media?” “Where are the free speech advocates?”
The fact is this refrain is, with all due respect, getting as old as a needle stuck in a groove (and that’s a vinyl album allusion, so that’s old!). We know where they are. The ACLU hates America and everything it once stood for. They will never, ever come to the aid of a conservative holding any minority to account, or any liberal or any illegal just-about-anything to account. They’re a seething collection of Utopian-daydream-loving, angry-because-it-hasn’t-happened-yet (boo hoo) traditional America haters. Instead of “where is the ACLU” let’s move this show along and change the refrain to “Naturally, the ACLU, that group of angry, hypocritcal America haters is nowhere in sight.”
We know where the mainstream media is: they’re one step behind the ACLU, and will never spread any bad word against a liberal, no matter how disgusting or repulsive (Your Honor, I call the court’s attention to Exibit A, the dress of Miss Lewinski) lest the horrible occur: that the conservatives might gain a few converts. So let’s say “As usual, the mainstream media are covering up this outrage so as to ensure Democratic victories in the next election.” Let’s tell it like it is. Loudly.
And oh yes, we know where the advocates of free speech are. Here we’ve made some strides and consistantly say, “they’re big on free speech as long as you agree with them”, but we should ad “so Democrats and ultra liberals can win in the next election”. That’s what it’s all about. They can’t win any other way, so they go for the biased/prejudiced jugular at election time and hope to fill the court with activist judges.
Naturally everyone here knows all that. but let’s, once again, pull out the stopper on the worthless protocal. Michelle and a few others are speaking more plainly. It seems clear that the time has come that we all need to start speaking more plainly.
Excellent post, BZ!
I don’t think I said anything about the ACLU attacking Islamists. Did you look at the link I provided? It gives many examples of the ACLU fighting on behalf of Christians, which is what I actually said it was about.
Try reading the link I provided above for numerous examples of where the ACLU has come down on the side of Christians.
I take issue with many of the positions the ACLU has taken in the last decade or two, but there’s a lot of sensationalist rhetoric going on in this thread.
Get a clue, Yashmak! It doesn’t matter how many links you post showing where the “ACLU has come down on the side of Christians”. They are a communist front and will destroy this country if given a chance. They are a long way from being good for the country or citizens, unless you are a Socialist. They oppose everything about our Judeo-Christian, Free Market system. Get it?
And this has nothing to do with the topic at hand except to demonstrate how the ACLU will NOT defend someone who’s free speech is being attacked by Islamofascists.
Yashmak: I thought I’d said it before regarding the ACLU defending Christians…even a bling pig finds a truffel now and then.
The few cases where the ACLU defends Christians does not make up for or negate the countless times the ACLU has fought against any and all things Christians.
Heck, they even SUED a city for letting people use a municipal parking lot to go to a Nativity at the nearby Christian church.
So don’t sit there and tell me the ACLU has my best interests at heart.
With regards to the the two comments you quote above – both are asking you to show where the ACLU has opposed, attacked, or sued to remove all references to and traces of Islam from the public sphere.
It’s no surprise that a course on Islam is taught in public elementary schools in CA – complete with PRAYERS and reading of the Koran.
A university in Michigan installed a footbath using public funds (tax dollars).
The ACLU and CAIR are fighting against “profiling”, etc. etc.
At the same time the ACLU is working to stop valedictorians from mentioning “Christ” in their graduation speeches, rallying against the 10 commandments and pictures of Jesus in public places, trying to remove a cross at Mt. Soledad in San Diego (the same place where schools teach Islam to elementary school kids), etc.
For every one case of the ACLU defending a Christian, there’s 20 or 25 of them attacking Christianity.
Everything. . .except for the numerous examples cited in just the one link I provided.
I didn’t do any such thing, so if you don’t sit there and tell me I did, I promise I won’t tell you the ACLU has your best interests at heart. Deal?
All I have done, in response to a misleading comment about how the ACLU never defends Christians, is point out the error of that statement. Now I am demonized for it. Usually I only see this sort of behavior on liberal ‘blog comment areas. . .a behavior that we here usually condemn as ’stifling dissent’. Except I’m not even dissenting! I don’t like the ACLU any more than you guys do!
But it’s simply untrue to say the ACLU never defends Christians.
OK. I get it. “Never say never”
Do you get that the ACLU will not defend those who’s freedom of speech is being attacked by Islamofascists?
That an attorney would make this unsubstantiated characterization in this letter:
is scandalous.
Then there is the statement made by Ibrahim Hooper, aired on CNN(see marker 4:44) a couple of nights ago with Paula Zahn asking whether it was racist to fear an entire religious group based on the definition of islamophobia as provided by Dennis Prager:
Both of these public attacks on Robert Spencer appear as a co-ordinated effort to publicly link his name with accusations of unfounded bigotry and hatred against Muslims. Those familiar with Robert Spencer’s work know this effort to malign him is intentionally malicious defamation.
As CAIR picks up steam with this malicious rhetoric and threatens additional lawsuits, keep in mind
Congress passed the thought crime legislation, 237-180,
Recall the PACE koran dunk resulted in not one but TWO felony charges based on “hate crimes”.
I wouldn’t venture to say that they’ve never done so, because I simply don’t know for sure. But I would freely agree that the preponderance of recent ACLU stances seem biased in favor of appeasing Islamism. . .which is very disturbing.
Yasmak: Agreed. Never say never. Preponderance is a good enough word, I think.
Even anti-american commie lawyers can be afraid of having their heads lopped off.
aloha snackbar
This is who helped found CAIR (but they don’t support terrorists):
http://counterterrorismblog.org/2007/08/cair_executive_director_placed.php