Muslims in Malaysia protest Gwen Stefani
Oh, this is rich. Muslim students in Malaysia are protesting an upcoming concert by American pop songstress Gwen Stefani. They believe she is indecent and obscene:
Malaysia should pull the plug on the Kuala Lumpur leg of U.S. singer Gwen Stefani’s upcoming Asian tour because of her indecent dressing and obscenity, a Muslim students’ group said.
The 10,000-strong National Union of Malaysian Muslim Students said Stefani’s August 21 concert, which is part of her Sweet Escape tour, would clash with local Asian and Islamic values.
“Her video clips promoting the event are too obscene,” Mohamad Hilmi Ramli, the group’s president, told Reuters. “We want the organisers to cancel the concert, failing which we will ask the authorities to intervene.”
Stefani has agreed to bow in dhimmitude. She won’t wear “revealing” constumes:
U.S. pop singer Gwen Stefani will not wear revealing costumes during her concert in Malaysia, the show’s organizer said Thursday, after protests from Muslim students about her sexy outfits and steamy acts.
Maxis Communications Bhd. said it “respects the values and conventions of this country” and pledged that Stefani would follow the local code of ethics for foreign artists, which bans the unnecessary baring of skin.
“Gwen Stefani has confirmed that her concert will not feature any revealing costumes. She will abide by the Malaysian authorities’ guidelines to ensure that her show will not be offensive to local sensitivities,” it said in a statement to The Associated Press.
So much for that independent, strong female image she has cultivated.
As usual, we heard not a peep from the Muslim students about the lewd, obscene, indecent behavior of Gwen Stefani’s touring partner, the devout Muslim R&B singer Akon, whose on-stage antics make Stefani look like a Catholic school girl:
Nope, not a peep.
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What ever happened to “If you don’t like it - don’t go”?
If Gwen is ‘herself’ and she expresses who she is in her show - then bowing to this is a compromise of her principles and identity.
But, I guess that’s ok when you’re making a ton of cash from your concert tickets.
This is just a microcosm of the left - Do what you want - til it upsets someone OTHER than Christians or the right off. Then kowtow and apologize.
Now this I can agree with. I wonder if they ban gangsta rap over there as well.
If they do, we could use their influence over here
Is that not a part of their curriculum? I really do not see why anybody would be shocked by the complete double standard here. Like CAIR supporters, they just do not get it nor do they care to. It is about control. As long as they can control a single American, they think they can control us all and they will show their superiority, invade our schools and have us all bow to their every demand (and we are). Soon, we will be like France wondering where we went wrong!
MM,
That first link goes to Popular Mech
website. Error?
Well, in this case the most plausible explaination is in fact the best: she is not the strong individual female that she portrays. She’s an “artist,” much like an actress she lives in the land of make-believe, with unicorns and pink kitty-cats, and…
It’s Malaysia. When in Rome….
I’m sure you’re just joking here, JJwclink, but you’ve illustrated the big difference. We don’t like something, like foul-mouthed rap, we complain with our wallets. Over here, there are no “authorities” to ask “to intervene.” Well, except at Pace University, which may be just the beginning.
I’m no Gwen Stefani fan, but I might be if she canceled her show there and told them she refuses to perform where women are treated as property.
And to On-my-soap-box, I, for one, will never, ever, ever bow to any sharia law demand. I mean not ever. It ain’t gonna happen. And I hope I’m not alone.
I think this clash of cultures bologne is coming to a head. The entertainment left will either submit to dhimmitude or not. The time has come to decide.
Your not.
Agreed: Sharia law is for the birds
I actually love a lot of Sharia, particularly her early work. And talk about provocative, some of her early videos with John Derek almost melted my TV.
So I have no idea why Sharia would keep Gwen from wearing revealing clothes.
Oh, I thought you said ShaNIA. Never mind.
Don’t leave out Shakira=)
I am waaaaaayyyy with you there. But lets not burry our heads and think for a second we do not have sell-outs here in the USA
I don’t think that it’s that big of a deal that she’s changing her wardrobe for her concerts in Malaysia. After all, it’s supposed to be about the music and the fans and not costumes. How disappointed would her fans that bought tickets be if she had to cancel altogether because of some protestors. Plus, when you are in another country you should try your best to observe their customs. I learned that the hard way when I was in Bahrain with my girlfriend during Ramadan. We thought we’d have a picnic near the airport and watch the planes take off. Cars kept honking at us. I thought they were just being friendly until we realized that it was taboo to eat during the day during Ramadan. I felt bad that we had inadvertantly insulted them because after all, it’s their home. So, I don’t have a problem with her changing her wardrobe.
Well I guess this shows she ain’t no hollaback girl.
And I thought them hacking Nick Berg’s head off was indecent and obscene… but what do I know?
But then again, what’s an infidel to do?
I wonder if Sharia entertainers draw big crowds when they come to the US?
They were dressed appropriately.
I hope that helps.
As long as it doesn’t cost them real money, they will submit. Today’s celebrities ain’t exactly Gary Cooper, Frank Sinatra, and Jimmy Stewart. (who would all have told where to stick your Sharia law, and then helped you to stick it there if you remained unclear)
Unless you’re a muslim, then you demand that they change their customs to avoid offending you.
Music is haram in islam anyway, so logic would tell me that any of these “students” that don’t want to be offended, wouldn’t be at the concert any way. Am I right, or am I misinterpreting the exploding music stores in Pakistan?
First she had to drop Akon and now this, what is a California Princess supposed to do?
I’m shocked they don’t make her wear a burqa, lest the uncontrollable males be tempted by the uncovered meat.
” I thought they were just being friendly until we realized that it was taboo to eat during the day during Ramadan. I felt bad that we had inadvertantly insulted them because after all, it’s their home. ”
If you adhered to their religious beliefs, I would tend to agree. But as a tourist, and not a Muslim, why should you have to go hungry just because Muslims in that country have chosen to?
If they don’t want foreigners offending them, then don’t let them in.
Yet here, we have Muslims who come here to work, yet refuse to do that work when it ‘offends’ them, like cabbies who won’t drive you if you have alcohol, or franchise owners who refuse to sell pork, even though it’s part of the franchise menu.
Absolutely ridiculous.
Come on…you don’t really believe THAT, do you. Americans have a long history of trying to get government to intervene, if not ban media they find offensive. Rap music, violent video games, TV shows…
Yeah…we should throw them out of the country just like all the pharmacists who refuse to do their job and give out birth control pills just because it “offends” them.
Wrong quote in #25
The day is not a total loss. I now know it is the job of pharmacists to give out drugs on demand.
I have learned something today. I am glad when a thread goes off topic so we can all learn something.
/sarc off
jrlingreenbay:
What I should have said was that it was taboo to eat in public during Ramadan. We adapted and ate our lunches at her house. It’s not like we gave up eating during the day entirely, we just wanted to respect the local custom just as someone would remove their shoes before entering someone’s home in Japan for example. I’ve learned in this world that if you show respect, you get respect.
Frank Sinatra, Jimmy Stewart, Gary Cooper, etc. would have told them where to stick it? Maybe.
But then again, they wouldn’t have offended in the first place.
Sinatra and his ilk were far from choir boys, but they at least gave the veneer of decorum. They might have been rogues, but they were never crassly offensive - at least not in their primes.
Kidding aside: One of the key reasons that the radical Islamists retain the hold they have over their population is that *any* devout Muslim - radical or not - DOES view people like Madonna, Twain, Stefani, etc. as heathens - and as threats when viewed as role models for their daughters.
Bluntly: Christians are supposed to feel the same way. There is absolutely ZERO in the Bible that condones the way these entertainers dress or act. Salome isn’t cheered as a hero of the Bible, and I daresay that whatever she did in front of Herod would pale compared to what Madonna and Britney did on MTV, or to Janet Jackson’s dance - even before the “wardrobe malfunction.”
The fact that we tolerate this behavior without saying anything simply means that we are either flawed Christians, non-practicing Christians, or non-Christians. But you can’t be a practicing Christian and say “I have to get home and teach my own girls to be strong enough in their convictions to traipse around onstage wearing almost nothing, singing about how much they enjoy explicit acts, French kissing Madonna, and groping themselves on stage.”
The MSM likes to position the Muslim/Non-Muslim confrontation as primarily an issue of the haves versus the have nots. They claim that the Muslims resent our wealth, and that this is a class-warfare type of thing.
Baloney.
It’s a culture-war kind of thing. The Islamofascists are, like all fascists, in it for the power… but they don’t use class warfare to capture the hearts and minds of their pawns. They use the very real fact that the Koran - just like the Torah, Tanakh, and Bible - views people who live like Westerners as heathens. Animals, even.
It’s a broad spectrum, of course. Like Christians, some Muslims would view alcohol not only as wrong, but as VERY wrong. There are shades of gray. But the “Hollywood Lifestyle” doesn’t qualify as a shade of gray. To even a moderately devout Muslim, the fiasco that is Western Entertainment is like looking directly into Hell.
Gwen Stefani, Madonna, LiLo, Britney, and just about ANY rap act are simply too much. The “LOGO” network is an affront to any practicing Muslim.
You want non-PC? That’s no PC. Most Muslims take their faith very literally. There are plenty of surveys out there showing that a surprising number of Muslims support DEATH to people who insult Mohammed. How do you think they feel about opening their borders to Pole Dancing?
The only reason that this is news is that Kuala Lumpur isn’t wholly Muslim, so there is debate about it. If this were framed to be any of the truly Muslim countries, including Turkey and Morocco, I can’t imagine that Gwen would even be allowed in. If she sang from behind a curtain, it wouldn’t be enough. The lyrics alone would get her stoned.
Who could resist “Dino” ?
Gregorystephens:
I understand where you’re coming from. I just don’t agree with the concept of it in a public atmosphere.
You mention the Japanese and removing your shoes - yes, but that is in someone’s home or establishment.
The intolerance of Muslims, in your story, towards NON-Muslims who do not subscribe to that custom, is, to me, a sad sign. But it is also indicative of what is going on all over.
It is Muslims / Islamist who take that stance who want NON-Muslims to adapt to their way of life - from there, they want special accomodations from public funds which no NON-Muslim religion would receive and for which some have been sued by such forces as the ACLU.
Then we have issues like someone commiting, at most, vandalism or petty theft ( the Koran / Toilet incident ), and being charged with a hate crime felony. When if the same person had done the same thing with a Bible, nothing would have been done besides a slap on the wrist.
You may practice your religion as you wish - as long as it doesn’t infringe on my right to do so as well, or not practice at all. And if your country is upset that I have a different view of life and beyond - and you don’t like it, tell me, and I’ll stay away.
On August 2nd, 2007 at 2:59 pm, RobM1981 said:
“The fact that we tolerate this behavior without saying anything simply means that we are either flawed Christians, non-practicing Christians, or non-Christians.”
I disagree - and here’s why.
I may allow my child to listen to certain music ( based on acceptable lyrics ) - but that is different from allowing him / her to attend a concert.
Music is one thing - viewing unacceptable dancing / gestures / dress is another.
The point of this whole ‘outrage’ is that it’s contrasted with logic and freedom. IF you don’t like it - don’t go. It seems here that those who don’t like it wish to keep everyone from going, or have the artist change their ways to suit them.
Obviously if people were to go, they’d most likely be aware of what they were going to see, and therefore, not offended.
Go Gwen! Your music is great, and most of the world knows it. The people of Malaysia can decide whether to hear you or not.
Can you imagine Gwen doing a concert at say….Oral Roberts University and they asked her not to wear revealing outfits?? They’d be publicly villified by the media as uptight conservatives trying to control the free expression by an “artiste.”
Since I live in a cave, I must ask, “Who the heck is gwen stephani??”
That having been said, I do not see this as extremeist muslim reaction to a lewd or obscene public display. Community standards and all that is fine by me - and it beats the heck out of violent riots, death threats, etc.
My guess is that if this request had come from some straight laced bible thumpers here in the states, her response may have been one of contempt, outrage, censorship and c.o.y.o.t.e.
The ‘multi-cultural monkey’ is on her back, not malaysia’s. But I’d be willing to bet that ms. stephani will bring a hypocrisy monkey home with ther.
I don’t know about any of you people that post on here but I am getting very tired of this mentality of what the Muslims think and our PC people.And also the MSM stuffing all this in our face. Enough is enough.
I’m afraid I won’t be much help, I can’t even take Gwen Stefani seriously, much less those who find her offensive. Do this mean we who don’t follow their beliefs can now demand they drop thiers when they come here?
I think we have discovered our secret weapon. They can stone to death or behead someone without batting an eye, but can’t stand a performer with a nice bod.
Perhaps we need to send an army of indecently clad women to battle the terrorists :p
Without taking a position on Ms. Stefani’s decorum, I must note the hypersexualization within the Muslim world that would confine women to burqas or other full body and face covering. It seems that the imams have an even harder time dealing with the reality of human sexuality than any Bible Belt preacher. Freud, thou shouldst be living at this hour!
We don’t need Freud, nbarry. One can cause a human to shun or embrace nearly anything via religious/cultural/social/… conditioning.
If we had been born in a Muslim fundamentalist country, we would behave as they do.
Thank God I am USA boy
I used to like Gwen for her individuality, originality and uncompromising dedication to her core beliefs.How sad to find that she is just another greedy,kowtowing,unprincipled toy for anyone who is willing to line her pocket with green[isn't there a name for a woman who does that?].If she were half the woman she pretends to be,or onetenth the woman Michelle is,she would have told the Muslem Malaysian Mafia to put their concert where the sun doesn’t shine or performed in outfits more reveiling than usual.
Courage of conviction:the difference between liberals and conservatives.
L:I’ll perform in a burka if I’m paid.
C:”Come and kill me if you want,I will not submit”.
This is Malaysia we’re talking about. Hypocrisy is the order of the day. Tell me one other country where you have such blatant racism as in Malaysia, where if you are Muslim:
1) Publicly traded companies need to have 30% of their board made up of Muslims.
2) Universities and schools made specially for Muslims using the general tax payers’ money.
3) Tax payers’ money is used to build mosques but never for building churches or temples.
4) 10% cheaper houses if you’re Muslim.
5) Better bank interest rates if you’re Muslim.
But hey, that country is on the road to self destruction anyway given that many of the younger non-Muslims are leaving the country and not returning.
Nope. I will prepare, arm myself (both with weapons and intellectually/theologically), and I will fight to the death.
But if they think…even for a nanosecond…they’re going to force my family, my friends, or me to capitulate to shari’a law they’ve messed with the WRONG woman.
I will die fighting to defend all the aforementioned. They aren’t the only ones who believe glory waits for those who defend the Lord…
I’m not exactly surprised that Gwen would adjust her wardrobe to quiet protesters. If she is touring with Akon than I have lost any respect for her anyway.
Allow me to pose a slightly contrarian position here.
There is a perception in much of the third world (and elsewhere) - well founded in my opinion - that American media dominates the world. Not by design but by extension, this means that our cultural values (including our attitudes toward sex) are being displayed or “imposed” if you like anywhere Hollywood or our popular music domiantes.
There is little doubt that the reason for this is that the world WANTS our pop culture - they crave our TV shows and movies and love our music. They try and dress like us and even act like us.
Ignorant louts like those in that student organization (and the Indonesian government) see this as a deliberate attempt to impose our sexual values on them. They are wrong but that is their perception. The question is, what is the best way to deal with a situation where the people are wild for American pop culture but reject some of its value base side effects?
The Stefani’s decision to wear more modest clothing may seem like caving in to Sharia and I suppose on one level it is. But it should also be kept in mind that not everyone in the world shares our view of sexual morality and that Stefani’s decision only reflects that reality.
I can understand adjusting one’s dress to an acceptable standard per local custom, Rick, but bowing in dhimmitude? Not me!
Additionally, I’d love to hear more about this “student organiztion.” The group that captured our embassy in Tehran and held American captives for 444 days was a “student organization” as well. I’m not saying that the two are one and the same or that they even hold the same beliefs. I’m just a little wary of Muslim “student organizations” after that episode.
Maybe if their Muslim women looked like that, they wouldn’t be so upset.
Islam aside, I’m rather disturbed by what it takes to “entertain” people today, TV or film or concerts. To me, the social cultivation bar’s been constantly getting lower, not higher. To hear words casually slung about on even PG films today that only XX ones handled not that long ago, to see how even Charlotte Church warped herself and that lovely voice to be “mainstream pop” I could almost cry. I think excessive coy eroticism and violence and special effects in entertainment ironically desensitizes people to appreciating true awe and beauty and horror as well as numbs the finer qualities of appreciating life’s little joys and surprises.
James Greenidge
Queens NY
hypocrisy
and the beat goes on . It’s all about the Money !! The Talking Heads never said a thing when Ugly and Gross is in their face