I don’t give a rip about Caroline Giuliani
HEADLINE NEWS! A teenager disagrees with her father! She posts on Facebook! She subscribed to Barack Obama’s Facebook group! I repeat: She subscribed to Obama’s Facebook group! Stop the presses! She has unsubscribed to Obama’s Facebook group! Doesn’t matter: Obama is thrilled!
Pant, pant, pant! Slaver, slaver, slaver!
The author of this non-news: “Lucy Morrow Caldwell,” a “student at Harvard College and a columnist for the Harvard Crimson.”
And a future Washington bureau chief at the NYTimes or fashion writer for the WaPo’s Style section, I’m sure.
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Isn’t every American allowed to support whichever candidate they please?
This is a bigger non-story than Paris Hilton does anything.
Chelsea Clinton could not be reached for comment. No doubt too busy at her job that daddy got her with some big firm where no doubt her duties include keeping the coffee pot filled. Hey a six figure income right out of college comes with some baggage.
Here is the link to Chelsea’s American success story.
Yes, talk about a non-story. Anyway, of course a 17 year-old is a liberal. What’s news about that?
Last time I checked 17 y/o couldn’t vote. Granted she may be 18 when the election rolls around.
/Well in Republican primaries anyway
GASP! Slander! Controversy! Daughters are independent from their fathers!
What is this world coming to!?!?!?!
Wow, six-figure consulting job. Curious, how does one get a job consulting with no real experience in any job in their early 20’s? I imagine I must be in line for seven figures as a 30 something.
I got a hankering for some Krispy Kreme…
The google link is funny, definitely shouting from the rooftops this inanity. Although I have to confess if Chelsea came out in favor of Fred Thompson or Huckabee, I’d be more than a little amused.
Maybe a kreme filled chocolate covered donut…
Huh, I’d like to know that too. I’m open to job offers.
… seriously, make me an offer.
You just know that the MSM will ask Giuliani’s daughter about personal family matters. I don’t seem to recall Chelsea Clinton ever being asked how she felt about her father’s adultery. But, wait, Bill Clinton is a Democrat and the children of Democrats are off limits. Republicans’ children are fair game. Just ask Dick Cheney.
Clearly thins ringing endorsement will propel Obama past the 20+ point deficit he has against Hilary. Also, John Edwards’ toddlers support Mike Huckabee, because he just sounds so nice.
1. When don’t daughters rebel against their fathers (case in point: Reagan…)
2. Is Ollie North throwing his hat in the ring any time soon so we can have a REAL Republican to stand beside?????
I expect it was not her knowledge which is being paid for. She is being paid for favors from daddy, I wonder what secerts they are recieving.
Opps, I was replying to: On August 7th, 2007 at 2:34 pm, Just A Grunt said
Let me get this straight: The fact that Rudy’s daughter supports Obama is not newsworthy but the remarks of A. Whitney Brown (as in who?) is of vital importance (yesterday’s blog’s lead story).
Regarding Chelsea, maybe daddy asked Vernon Jordan to help him one more time to help find a job for a young twenty-something female…
Guess if a DailyKOS, MoveOn.org or any DNC member was found to be a member here then the would support Michelle also because of that simple fact.
Yes, Gippergirl, we really need Ollie in the race. Wasn’t he that guy who repeatedly lied to Congress and is not serving in jail due to a technicality? I am sure he would retain Al Gonzalez they can have long talks about perjury.
How is this news? I have no idea. Who cares? As was stated – she’s 17 – can’t vote ( as of yet ) – and as the old saying goes, ( Paraphrasing ):
If you’re 20 and aren’t liberal, you have no heart.
If you’re 40 and aren’t conservative, you have no brain.
As for comparing this to A. Witless Brown’s comments, you’ve GOT to be kidding. You must be that guy from the Fantastic Four to make a stretch that long.
A. Witless Brown is an adult uber-liberal who purposely posted his anti-military / anti-war ravings on a public site in the form of an article. That article was demeaning towards U.S. Soldiers.
Guiliani’s daughter – joined a facebook group!!!!!!! – and has a teenage fascination with a well-articulated, attractive political candidate.
Gee – let’s put her on the news like “Obama girl” and hear their political viewpoints …that would be a real short discussion.
Where do you see the correlation?
I didn’t agree with my father’s political position on matter either. Big whoop
Mikeb, the Whiteny Brown story is important because the democrat candidates all went to the dailykos convention. This should say alot about the voters they are trying to court (conspiracy nuts, troop-haters,and good ol’ fashioned socialists).
The Guilliani’s daughter story only says that she belongs to the Obama facebook page. I refuse to actually read the story, but I doubt that report on her motivations for joining the group. It could be that she supports Obamam or maybe she’s just using the facebook group as a conduit for more obama info.
It’s a shock that a teenager may disagree with her family. I also think it’s funny that Chelsea is off limits but all Republican children are not. Any of you lefties care to explain?
This just in – Chertoff’s daughter refuses to eat her lettuce…
My dad voted Bush! I voted Kerry! We’re registered in Massachusetts so it didn’t really matter! But, still, scandal at the Thanksgiving table!
I agree that keeping a candidate’s child out of a campaign is only fair. Mary Cheney is an exception however. Her father works for an administration that is dedicated to severely limiting her rights. And Mary Cheney is an adult living with a family that repulses many Republican voters. That family dynamic is cleary of interest to the general public.
Perhaps she is misguided; perhaps she has seen the real Rudi up close and personal.
I think MikeB must be Al Gonzales’s teenage son. You rebel, you.
Do you even care what Mary herself thinks about being used by a bunch of liberal hacks to attack her father’s career? Of course not.
You don’t give a rip about her or her rights, so spare us the sanctimony.
Oooh, the fact that MikeB doesn’t like Ollie makes me support him even more…Yeah, MikeB, Ollie makes you and the jihadists reeeeeally nervous…OLLIE NORTH IN ‘08!!!!!
Ollie is great. He’s got more leadership qualities in his little finger than the whole Democrat party combined.
North-Malkin ‘08!
Brian72,
I care very much for Mary Cheney’s rights and hope and pray that one day she’ll be able to be married to her true love, protected by hate crime legislation, and be able to adopt as many children as she wants. Why would you assume differently?
What Mary Cheney wants in terms of press coverage is neither here nor there. Strom Thrumond’s secret daughter kept out of the spotlight while her father was alive. If she was found out before Thurmond’s death, it would be the media’s responsibility to profile her and her beliefs.
Strom filibustered and ran for president against civil rights even though his beliefs would have a profound negative on her life. It’s the same for the GWB administration and Mary Cheney.
Let’s Roll Brian72!!!!! Where do we sign them up??? As Dennis Miller said, I’m for the guy that makes the bad guys crawl back in their spiderholes and NO ONE can do that better than Ollie…the other can candidates can invoke the name of Reagan all they want, but the good Col. has The Gipper’s values instilled in him naturally. Our nation needs him!
Funny you left out the name Kennedy in all this public right to know stuff.
We need to draft Michelle. She can become the new Homeland Security Secretary, if not VP. Ollie would be a better C-in-C than any of those Dems for sure!
Brian72, I assume that’s directed to me and I don’t follow. What do any of the Kennedy kids have to do with this? Are any of them involved in lifestyles that their fathers and mothers are trying to destroy?
Rusty, I don’t believe that. If you cared for Mary Cheney, you would implore the public to respect her right to privacy, and not make an exception in her case. You just want to use her to further your political agenda against her father regardless of what she feels about it. So stow away all the phony compassion that covers your real purpose to use her life to embarass her dad, against her wishes.
The Kennedys are just trying to destroy the lifestyles of everyone else while preserving their own. Are you as concerned with the rights of that Mary Teddy left underwater to die? There’s your destruction of a lifestyle, Rusty.
Rusty: Given your logic, a situation where a pro-life politician and parent whose child had an abortion would be news?
Did Mary Cheney seek out the news media to tell her story? Plead for her side to be heard? No – she didn’t. It was the left who raised her up as a shield in their attempt to embarrass the Vice President.
When it comes to DEMOCRATIC candidate’s wives & children – show me a negative story or one that reflects badly on their political parent?
Meanwhile, the media is full of digging and probing to find any smidgen of mud to sling at the Republican field, even using their family members to do so.
This reminds me of the breathless coverage that the Treason Media gave Albert Gore III and his constant recidivist behavior involving drinking, drugging, driving and speeding.
Oh, wait…no, it doesn’t.
Nevermind.
BuuuuuuhhhhhBEEEEEE! Gonzalez didn’t lie. Try to keep up.
BTW, Congress even lies to Congress.
Brian,
I was impressed with the way her dad handled the situation actually. He said he was opposed to the FMA. Good for him. I love the way he treats his daughter’s family as just that, a family. However, he is one of the most powerful people in an administration that has used homphobia as a way to get votes. There’s a pretty big disconnect there that should be examined by the media and the voters.
As I said earlier, just because Strom Thurmond’s secret daughter wanted privacy doesn’t mean that she should have been given it. If she were exposed in the 50s or 60s, it would have been a huge blow to one of the most morally repugnant, hypocritical Senators in recent history. He was voting to deny his daughter her civil rights! You really think something like that should be kept from the public eye? How is it different when Mary Cheney’s father was elected with a man who is determined to take away her rights? Seriously, how?
And I am not being sanctimonious. I don’t care if you vote Republican or Democrat. I don’t care if your father is Vice President or if he works the deli at a local grocery store. If you’re gay, you deserve the right to marry, the right to not be terrorized by homphobes, and the right to start a family. I feel very strongly about this and hope that someday Mary Cheney can enjoy those things.
Let’s not forget the “Bush Twins” and all the hoo-hah over that non-issue.
Meanwhile, the real ‘families in politics’ issue of Bill Clinton riding shotgun for Hillary, responding to this comment or that comment, is portrayed as ’statemsanlike’.
The real question should be – “Why doesn’t he shut up and let her campaign on her own merits”.
Oh yeah…that’s right – she wouldn’t be Senator, or a Presidential Candidate, if it weren’t for good ol’ Bill.
Exactly the point, jrlingreenbay. She did not ask for any of that attention, liberals targeted her, without any concern for her position on it. Just like outing gay staffers on the Hill, it was all politics and pretty sleazy at that. Nobody was concerned about their “rights”, just cruel opportunism and nothing more.
“…he is one of the most powerful people in an administration that has used homphobia as a way to get votes.”
Explain to me how someone’s belief that ‘Marriage’ is reserved for a man and a woman – that it is a sacred event and commitment – is ‘Homophobic’.
I believe in that definition of marriage, yet have co-workers and friends who are, in fact, gay, including a lesbian couple.
I have no problem with their relationship.
Again, another liberal weapon, calling those of us against gay marriage homophobes – just like we’re racist for being against illegal immigration – or war-mongers because we support this administration’s efforts in Iraq.
Name-calling makes good sound-bites…but it doesn’t make your point a fact.
Yes I do. It’s someone exercising a right that their father or mother want to have taken away. That’s clearly newsworthy.
Huh? That story got a ton of play. Just as much if not more in the MSM than this Caroline Guliani business.
It’s stuff like Al Gore III and Noelle Bush that make me really uncomfortable. To hold the sins of the child against the parents like is really unfair. A total cheap shot.
Brian72: It’s almost as if we’re supposed to be SHOCKED that a Republican would be gay. Or SHOCKED that a Republican would be corrupt.
Maybe that’s the real tell in all of this…..
That when a Democrat is corrupt, and it’s not reported as widely as when their GOP counterparts are – it’s because, deep down, there is no surprise about it……
Rusty, you are a traditionaphobe. You are terrified of the traditional way to have a family, afraid of the majority’s rights. How you like that?
Rusty: Given your logic, a situation where a pro-life politician and parent whose child had an abortion would be news?
Yes I do. It’s someone exercising a right that their father or mother want to have taken away. That’s clearly newsworthy.
You HONESTLY want to invade the privacy of an adult woman who has an abortion to make a point about the opposition to her parent’s policy stance?
I guess the invasion of privacy issues only are wrong when they DON’T support your position.
How about if Chelsea Clinton protests at a Planned Parenthood Clinic?
Is that news? Or, as many here would probably say…. “Yeah…who cares? She can make up her own mind.”
You’re not racist or a war-monger. People who supported America invading Iraq and/or people who are strongly opposed to illegal immigration often have good-faith arguments.
But to be against gay marriage is homophobic. Gay marriage harms no one. It does not harm some kind of sacred institution. The marriage we’re talking about is the government recognizing the union of two people. If a church doesn’t want to have gay marriage ceremonies, whatever. Their choice. But for the government to deny rights to a set of people is disgusting to me.
Homophobia: (n) unreasoning fear of or antipathy toward homosexuals and homosexuality.
It is totally unreasonable to be against a loving couple uniting. Homophobia is the right word. It’s not name-calling if it’s true.
Of course that’s news. That would be on the cover of every major paper in the country.
What a load of hooey.
Who cares what is of interest to the “general” public when said “interest” is crafted and brokered by an extremely partisan MSM?
If Mary Cheney wasn’t gay, then no one would give a whit about her or her family life.
Cheney is a father who loves his children and their mother. Where is the “general public” on that one?
The “public” or the MSM isn’t interested in that because it doesn’t serve their agenda.
Cheney is not publishing slick coffee table magazine puff pieces like Ohama (“Hopes and Dreams”) to sell some smarmy “story” about how good he is. (have you seen that pile of goo? OMG!)
Cheney makes the Left’s *** itch because he understands the powers of the Office of the President of the United States, has been on the geo-political frontlines as jihad came of age in the 60s and 70s, and he doesn’t care what the Daily Kos thinks should be done in the Middle East.
Dick Cheney is the key reason we have not been attacked. And with a heart condition to boot.
The man is a saint in my book.
jrlingreenbay:
I’m never shocked at the lengths Democrats will go to extend their power over us through taxation and regulation. It stopped suprising me a few years ago. Republicans on the other hand are more vulnerable to that stuff because they have a better platform to run on, one I support. More personal freedom, less government intrusion. When they stray from that platform, their base lets them have it with both barrels. Democrats just keep sending back the same old corrupt people, read Teddy Kennedy.
So what’s wrong with having a ‘civil union’ – isn’t that a ‘marriage’ without the term?
Marriage is sacred – whether it is religious or civil – to many, many people. Has been for centuries.
Has been for centuries? Are you crazy? Women were considered property. That isn’t sanctity. It’s sickness.
The only difference between civil unions and gay marriage is the term. Still not good enough for me. Civil unions will always be considered less than marriage unless it’s called by its rightful name.
Rusty stated: “Of course that’s news. That would be on the cover of every major paper in the country.”
That doesn’t make it newsworthy. Sure, some on the right would chuckle about it – but in the end – who cares? She’s not making policy, she’s not creating laws.
If I’m a teacher and my child drops out of school – does that effect my job? Am I a better or worse candidate to be an educator? Of course not – individuals make individual decisions.
If Guiliani’s daughter wants to support Obama – who cares? They are estranged anyway, so it’s not a big surprise.
As you can probably tell, gay marriage is kind of a hot-button issue for me. I should probably back off so I don’t get one of those wanrings that are usually reserved for MikeB.
Aren’t voters saying no to gay marriage?
“Civil unions will always be considered less than marriage unless it’s called by its rightful name.”
If the civil union grants all the rights a marriage grants – but you’re still pushing for marriage – then you’re probably doing so for political reasons.
I want a Lexus….someone offers me a Toyota with all the same features, same everything…. I say no, I want a LEXUS.
Doesn’t matter that it’s the same car…just a different name… I’d be nitpicking.
What should be important is the relationship itself – NOT what it’s termed….
As long as one is considered “less equal,” it’s not ok.
And as for the voters passing marriage amendments, yes, the voters are homophobic. If they think gay marriage will turn everyone gay…that’s pretty unreasonable to me.
Man, I am so glad to be from Massachusetts.
I am not afraid of “gay marriage” because it doesn’t exist outside of politics. In order for a marriage to exist, each side of the coin is represented. A two headed quarter won’t buy you anything.
If two gay people want to commit to each other, that’s not my concern. Just don’t call it “marriage”, because that is not what it is.
You can argue that gay couples should have some of the same legal benefits of married couples, I have no problem with that. But a gay couple can’t be married. That is the choice they made, to defy the traditional way, so create some non-traditional simulated togetherness, but it cannot be called “marriage”, because that would be a lie.
Bear – yes, the are…overwhelmingly so.
Even here in my state which had a referendum on the ballot – and our state is a “Blue State”.
“As long as one is considered “less equal,” it’s not ok.”
Just wondering – what’s your view on affirmative action?
“If they think gay marriage will turn everyone gay…that’s pretty unreasonable to me.”
Where did you pull that one out of? Where is your proof that all these voters who voted AGAINST gay marriage think ‘gay marriage will turn everyone gay’?
I hear the lifeguard calling “Alright, everybody out of the pool – we’ve got someone loose in the deep end”.
My 82 yr. old mother is still an FDR democrat, bless her heart; not a big problem. Remember the two looney Reagen kids? This story is a…nonstory. Life goes on.
Rusty, you’re going to have to drop this topic because the more we talk about this, my homophobia is disappearing and I may have to go out and kiss a dude and call myself engaged.
just kidding…..
Webster’s Dictionary:
Husband: A man who is married
Wife: A married female
Marriage: The state of being married; wedlock; the act of marrying or the cermony entered into by a man and woman so as to live together as husband and wife.
Marriage, by definition, is comprised of a man and a woman.
Well, what other reason would there be to be against gay marriage? Other than this ridiculousness:
Good grief. Not a choice. And “traditional way” is often code for some kind of discrimination. 40 years ago the host of this site’s marriage would have been subject to prosecution because it wasn’t traditional. We should move past “traditional” and to what is right.
I could have made the point better by saying the “natural way”…
If homosexuality is unnatural then why are people born gay? Homosexuality is often found in animal communities where there is little to no threat to their population. Think pets, zoo animals, and, yup humans. It’s completely natural.
And Brian, I appreciated the joke. A little chuckle at work.
There it is, the definition of marriage. It doesn’t say anything about same-sex relationships. Some other entity that is not marriage is what gay couples do. That doesn’t mean that I hate them, or they shouldn’t be allowed to do what they please. They just cannot honestly call what they do “marriage”.
What about the “alternative lifestyle” rhetoric? Alternative to what? Marriage, that’s what.
People are not born gay. That is a political construction to put gayness on a legal parallel with racial civil rights. I was born white and male, but at some point I decided against being gay, Others chose to live a gay lifestyle, and they could subsequently choose to un-gay themselves if they wanted to. It’s a free country.
Alternative to the majority of humanity, which is hetrosexual.
Argh, I am going to have to stay late at work due to all the debate. Rats.
Well, it’s been fun. And we can all agree that Caroline Guliani should be left alone.
Yes and so should Mary Cheney. Nice talking with ya Rusty.
MM said,
DITTO!!
Wow, through no prompting from me, this string was “hijaked” into a very interesting debate on gay marriage and also on the privacy of politicans’ children.
Needless to say, I think Rusty won this round. If gay marriage was a threat to straight marriage, Mass. would have the highest divorce rate in the U.S., but guess what, it has the lowest.
Let’s make a deal then, this site never brings up anything to do with any children of any candidate of either party. I guarantee if Chelsea was secretly fund raising for Mitt Romney, that would be as big a story as Lindsay Lohan getting arrested, again.
Give this whole same-sex family system thing about 20 years to the time when the kids born from “sperm donors” are dealing with the realities of such arrangements brought on them by their parents.
The mantra “We want…We want…We want…” is just going to bring a whole lotta sorrow to the well-intentioned.
I’m already experiencing it in our elementary school here. The same sex couple parents are very AFRAID that their kids will be rejected by the kids of heterosexual couples (married or not) because of “homophobia”. So the reaction is to push for rules to protect them.
In the process, the same sex couples are making the case for parents to dialogue about the “definition of family”, which of course, they want to change “for everybody’s benefit.”
This is in contrast to some old school gay folk who want nothing to do with the *heterosexual institution* of marriage.
One fellow explained his aversion to marrying his partner in the form of a question- “Does a black man seek to join the Klan? Does a pacifist join the Marines? So let’s not go there.”
Made sense to me at the time.
MikeB-
What are you “on”?
MikeB didn’t catch this post earlier from Websters Dictionary:
Gay “marriage” doesn’t exist outside of liberal political rhetoric, which seeks to redefine what marriage has always been. Gay relationships aren’t “marriage”, because that requires both sexes. Period.
Or this brilliant gem from yours truly:
bear1909 hit that one square.
The way this thread has developed, it’s obvious none of us give a rip about Caroline Guliani either!
For the record: I do not give a rip about elected officials’ kids. Not even Al and Tippers.
He had kids? No wonder he became a politician – he wanted to escape!
why do they call it an “alternative lifestyle” when they keep telling us it’s normal??? (whoever “they” are???)
Score 10 for the g-girl
thx bear1909!
and Brian72 is right, if a gay couple wants all the same legal rights as a man and woman, then that’s fine, but the day they can make a baby the way God intended is the day can call it a marriage (and I’m not saying they can’t adopt, so calm yourselves down…)
The kids will tell the whole story soon enough on what it was like to grow up with parents who did “what was right” for them without any accountability to any force bigger than their own brains.
The Reagan children always had differences with their parents. Patti Davis was quite the wild child, if I remember correctly, and deliberately supporting opposite party from her folks.
And look at the great president Reagan turned out to be…..
Maybe the more recalictrant, and rebellious the children, the better the President!
I gotta disagree with you here. I can’t imagine why someone would choose to be gay given the history of persecution. That’s not to say that there isn’t a socialization process to learn “proper” gay behavior (ex. liking Cher, calling hair gel product, etc.) But I highly doubt that in every gay person’s life they say to themselves, “you know what I think I like dudes.”
Now you may be somewhat correct id you are saying that a gay person is not actually gay unless he participates in the gay lifestyle. So a gay man who marries a woman would be straight, even though he’s not attracted to her, but to other men.
Since, nobody’s posted on this topic in a while, it looks liek I”ve had the last word
It’s about character, Rudy’s character. He started dating the current Mrs. Rudy while he was married to this poor girl’s mother. She found out he was divorcing her mother in a news conference.
Bottom line: Rudy is not a man of honor.
I don’t give a “rip” or anything else about Caroline either. She’s grandstanding for attention.