The wrong kind of illegal alien tip line
Responding to a refusal by city leaders to declare the city a sanctuary for illegal immigrants, more than a dozen people gathered outside City Hall on Monday night to denounce recent immigration raids, accusing federal officials of “terrorizing” immigrant communities and breaking up families.
A coalition of local immigrant rights groups, including the Orange County Alliance for Immigrants Rights and the Front Against the Raids, announced a planned program to create a hot line that will notify people where and when immigration raids will take place. The program would also coordinate a support system for the families of deportee targets.
“We want to have a more organized effort to counter these attacks,” said Jaime Conteras, a 20-year-old Filipino immigrant who now lives in Santa Ana. “We cannot let people trample on our rights.”
The raids the open-borders zealots are complaining about led to the arrest of illegal alien criminal suspects, including a man wanted for murder and a convicted child molester.
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Well, we can’t have that now, can we…
Rights?
Entering any country on earth illegally guarantees one thing: no legal standing in the country entered….therefore, no rights….oh! unless you have settled in Lost Angeles.
Viva La Migra!
Now now bear. We can’t just go enforcing the laws…
I mean, if you enforce one, pretty soon people will exspect you to enforce them all…
Those zealots must be suffering from some sort of Allergic to Borders affliction.
Would it be acceptable to flood this line with false reports?
I wonder how may illegals are involved in this bit of good news: (from Atlas Shrugs today 8.8.7)
“Jamaat ul-Fuqra, a terrorist organization with headquarters in Pakistan, has established over 45 compounds in rural areas throughout America. The compounds are providing paramilitary training to new recruits for the great jihad against the USA under the not-so-watchful eye of federal law enforcement officials. Most of the recruits are African Americans who converted to Islam while doing hard time in federal prison. “
Since it can’t POSSIBLY be legal to collect tips to warn people who are doing something illegal, I would say probably yes…
No, don’t do that.
From today’s front page Washington Times article:
This article is at http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070808/NATION/108080088/1001
This is why we have to deport illegals. I’m sure the jihadists are for this immigration raid tip line.
I can see this being used in our favor - you call the line, give a tip - watch the illegals rush out the back door and have a panel truck from ICE waiting….
No more need to put our agents in an unsafe atmosphere of going on a room-to-room search!
On a serious note - there HAS to be some law against this…tell me there is. Leaking information to the targets of a law-enforcement action geared toward apprehending law-breakers?
Aiding & abetting?
Michelle and Company have hit my funny bone this morning but this story brings me back to Earth. For the love of life what do people have against going after Criminal Illegals. This is a no Brainer.
Winner of the understatement of the year award.
Why doesn’t the family just go with them? I’d even be willing to have my tax dollars pay for the bus ticket.
jrl, I was thinking right with ya. Ask MikeB, He’s a “Lawyer…..
What rights?!
Here’s a solution to the ‘breaking up families’ issue -
Retroactively repeal the ‘anchor baby’ law.
Why, in God’s name, is it acceptable for an illegal immigrant to cross the Rio Grande, have their child ( conceivably ) 10 steps into Arizona, and that child is considered an American Citizen?
That HAS to end.
Holy Moly jrl, get outa my Brain…
Maybe if they use inappropriate language they’ll be deported.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/07/nyregion/07bword.html?ei=5090&en=8bb9b60b7da0d2ed&ex=1344139200&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&pagewanted=print
Who am I kidding, it’ll be used against everyone but illegals. I bet it’s nice to be an illegal immigrant, not having to worry about any laws and enjoying all the benefits of citizenship
I’ve never heard of anyone or any group announcing their plans to aid and abet criminals and engage in obstruction of justice. The first time it happens, they should all be arrested and they should also find out who gave them the tip and arrest them as well.
I just don’t see how this can be legal, wouldn’t the phone company have some kind of legal obligation to not allow their phone lines to be used for an “illegal enterprise”?
I mean this is blatantly a form of obstruction.
The problem is none of you are up on the most recent version of New Speak. They are no longer illegal immigrants, but “migrant workers.” This acutally happened to me doing some subcontract work for the state of Maryland. I was told that the term illegal immigrant was offensive to illegal immigrants and that they prefer to be called migrant workers.
So since they’re not illegal immigrants anyone, than aiding and abetting their non-illegal behavior can’t be considered illegal.
I prefer to be called “Big Daddy”, but that ain’t gonna happen.
“On August 8th, 2007 at 10:17 am, ajmontana said:
Holy Moly jrl, get outa my Brain… ”
LOL
Great minds think alike…..
which is why no one on Capital Hill is proposing what I stated..
“We want to have a more organized effort to counter these attacks,” said Jaime Conteras, a 20-year-old Filipino immigrant who now lives in Santa Ana. “We cannot let people trample on our rights.”
What “Rights” are these idiots talking about. I actually heard one during the marches say they had “Alien” rights per the constitution. Now we know why we don’t want unskilled, illiterate illegals here.
Try hanging out in the West Village and it just might. Of course then again if you were to rebuke being addressed that way it could be deemed offensive and homophobic to the gay who called you that, and thus a hate crime on your part. Got to love the NYC thought police….
Revoke the 501 (c) 3 non-profit status of “advocacy” organizations working on the “issue” of undocumented workers.
Revoke the 501 (c) 3 non-profit status of private foundations who fund the “advocacy work” of said orgs.
Send a message: you break the law you lose your non-profit non-taxable status.
Smoke that!
Hmmm…. let see….
Obstruction of justice… check…
Conspiricy to commit a felony… yep..
Knowingly aiding Illegals (felony)..yep
Harboring a fugitive is a stretch… but aiding and abeting may work…
This is organized crime. Collusion.
Ain’t that the truth.
They are here illegally so what they are doing isn’t crime since they are protecting rights they don’t have.
Anyone see the irony in this? We, as legal US citizens are afraid to stand up
against the PC perps. We don’t organize, we don’t speak out (there are exceptions, such as Michelle here), and we don’t stand in front of the wrongdoers.
Why can’t we stand in front of the imams and demand they stop their odd behavior? Or tell CAIR to get stuffed?
Why can’t we get in the faces of illegal immigrants and tell them NO, this is a country about the rule of law to protect the rights of the citizens?
Whats so different about this and a drug dealer having lookouts?
Ya know, if drug dealers get busted it breaks up their families also. And cocaine and/or pot is legal some places inside or outside of the country.
Sounds utterly ridiculous doesn’t it?
When are we getting this 800 pound Gorilla Steamroller rolling downhill? Updates please!
Maybe an open thread where we can help build some steam for it?
The problem is none of you are up on the most recent version of New Speak. They are no longer illegal immigrants, but “migrant workers.”
Nope, you are behind the times, too. As our kind hostess has already documented (heh), the current term as defined by Harry Reid is “undocumented Americans”.
As for repealing anchor baby citizenship - do you really want to see Geraldo weeping his crocodile tears for these spawn of invaders? I mean, I do, but do you?
Dirk:
ABSO-FRICKIN-LUTELY - I would love to hear ANYONE argue as to why someone born within our borders to a woman who is in our country illegally ( or temporarily through a visa ) should be considered a US Citizen.
I’m getting very tired hearing about these guys “taking jobs Americans don’t want”…how many times have we seen ICE hits that cleaned out a business that had a line of people waiting to apply for the new openings. Instead of sending these people back where they came from why not enforce the illegal immigrant laws of the home of record for these individuals? I can just hear Mexico screaming now!
jrlingreenbay:
Don’t you know that we’re a nation of immigrants? Yeesh. How insensitive are you?
[/sarcasm]
What Geraldo never seems to realize is that we can keep these families together by SENDING THE ANCHOR BABIES BACK WITH THEIR INVADER PARENTS!!!! Problem solved!!!
What I find baffling about all these criminal invaders is how the Hollyweird community hasn’t realized that they’re at risk of harm, too. Just ask Adrienne Shelley and Bob Clark about how they like invaders. Oh, that’s right, you can’t because THEY’RE DEAD AT THE HANDS OF THE INVADERS! (But…but….who will tend the lawns of our mansions?)
The Left paints people who want simple enforcement of the laws as xenophobes. Oh, wait, that’s what Dubya and Chertoff and Graham called us, isn’t it? My bad.
We should tighten our border laws to the level that Mexico has their laws. When they complain about our toughness, we’ll just point out that they’re the same as theres and then recommend they STFU.
This is a great idea! Just like the meth lab raid hot line or the boiler room stock raid hot line.
I just thought of something….
So if it can be shown that the creators of this Hotline do as they say, and take a tip and pass it on to a company or location - could it not be shown by their actions that they were aware of the location of these illegal aliens, and in turn, complicit with aiding them?
( I’m reminded of the scene in The Godfather where Tom Hagen can’t accept a letter from Kay to give to Michael because, as he states, accepting it would be proof that he knows where Michael is )
Ok - it’s a long way to go for a point…but I’m just typing what my mind is thinking….
No trampling ‘rights’, but it’s okay to trample borders. Check, got it.
Equality, right?
Suppose law abiding citizens get arrested for a minor offense…or perhaps some stray from authority and do some real damage.
Can we now assume that WE can sue the government for not giving LEGALS a free pass as well?
Of course not.
Sooooooo………..where ARE the equal rights - even for us lowly citizens??
Going, going, GONE?
Dirk, when Reid says “undocumented Americans” in most cases he’s technically right. He just left out “North”, “Central” or “South”…
Of course it’s illegal, but that isn’t really the point, is it? The problem is non-enforcement of laws, starting at the top with the nonfeasance of Jorge Bush.
UNBELIEVABLE! How is this tip-line not illegal??????????
That many huh??? I see more people then that standing at bus stops.
Has anyone else noticed that the organization metioned has the acyronym
O-CAIR?
Or have I just been hanging around military types too long?
And it ain’t even a toll free number! Cheapskates!
This story should be a warning to us.
4,000 PEOPLE A WEEK TRYING TO LEAVE UK
Laws? We don’t need no stinking laws. Where do I sign up to get the rights the American people don’t get?
[O]CAIR?
Coincidence?
Point of Diluted American Culture No Return
I’m pretty sure there’s a point where the numbers of illegal aliens in the country by political and economic infiltration and influence will be impossible to remove or even check. That fact that we’re all mostly talking about the issue while the borders thump hardly encourages me. Maybe the only hope to preserve traditional American culture will be a kind of Balkanization of the U.S. into states or regions where such will be most strictly preserved. In a way Brigham Young gave us a primitive heads up on how this could be done.
James Greenidge
Queens NY
Someday, in a Spanish language textbook, children will learn of the heroic patriot who rode through town shouting, “The gringos are coming, the gringos are coming….”
Michelle, you party pooper!
Ha ha ha!
Only the rights of American citizens are allowed to be trampled!
A few thoughts:
“Conspiricy to commit a felony… yep..”
Romeo 13 beat me to it and almost nailed it. Crossing over illeglly is a misdemeanor so conspiracy to aid that act would not be conspiring to commit a felony, but conspiracy itelf for any purpose, especially one which involves actors participating across state lines, is absolutely a felony. If you know the requirements for the legal definition of conspiracy, you’ll see that they’re alot broader than you might realize and the plan discussed 100% qualifies, turning a misdemeanor into a felony instantly (between the people organizing the operation, not the illegal aliens, unless the illegal aliens could be shown to be acting on assumptions of the actions of the organizers, in which case they, too, would be guilty of the same felony. Therefore these fellows might be doing everyone a favor by inadvertantly soliciting a felonious act on the part of the illegals, meaning deportation of every one so convicted)
Dirkbelig,
“What I find baffling about all these criminal invaders is how the Hollyweird community hasn’t realized that they’re at risk of harm, too. Just ask Adrienne Shelley and Bob Clark about how they like invaders. Oh, that’s right, you can’t because THEY’RE DEAD AT THE HANDS OF THE INVADERS!
I have no doubt that the MSM would be covering Adrienne Shelley’s murder like crazy if it had been committed by someone with appearances of right wing sympathy. Shelley was hugely talented, a star within the independant film community as actress, screenwriter and director and was very likely headed toward highly visible, mainstream work. Smart, nice, funny, and tremendously talented and murdered by another illegal who served notice to American society that he could not be trusted simply by being here illegally.
Paddy,
“Someday, in a Spanish language textbook, children will learn of the heroic patriot who rode through town shouting, “The gringos are coming, the gringos are coming….”
The trouble with history is that it’s written by historians, and when the majority of those historians are concerned with creating a false perception of past events so as to direct the future with the intention of attaining the objectives of their agendas, as is the case in the US now, then history fails us, and evermore we need to move and think and live by our wits when it comes to preserving our values.
Almost every post in this thread has, either directly or indirectly, a common denominator: the failure of the mainstream media, either through spin or negligent silence, to be honest about this issue and to give it the attention it deserves. And until they are somehow held to account and partially replaced by another news dissemination power structure, there will be more unemployment of legal Americans, more broken families and more tragic Adrienne Shelleys murdered by men who have already made it clear they disrespect our laws, leaving us to simply guess the degree of same to determine the extent of danger they pose to the US.
Winter soldier stories, KOS conventions, full time illegal workers and part time murderers, without the proper dissemination of these stories, the truth of the facts of these stories might as well not exist at all, and if ever there was a conspiracy to commit a felony, the mainstream media qualifies. I think if some right-leaning practitoners of criminal law started filing suit against the media whenever a muder was committed by someone who was falsey led to beleive a supposed fact by the MSM, that might be a way to get the MSM to start reporting a little more accurately. Government cannot do it, by rightly trained citizens can.
On August 8th, 2007 at 2:04 pm, Alphonse said:
On August 8th, 2007 at 10:28 am,
The problem is non-enforcement of laws, starting at the top with the nonfeasance of Jorge Bush
.. and that is a huge problem. Think about the message the president / commander-in-chief is sending: “I don’t care for the laws of the country I took an oath to protect. Come on in”.
Theory….The MSM acts if if nothing is wrong… the reason is that there is a Republican in the whitehouse….once the dems control the Whitehouse there will be full scale war on closing the border and enforcement on employers hiring illegal aliens,then saying that they did the right thing…The Dems would rather destroy this country then give a Republican president praise for a job well done…..Well at least we had a short run at a decent living… I pray for our grandkids
Any immigrant who thinks only people of his/her ethnic group or country of origin are hir/her people, are racists.
Americans think of their fellow Americans as their people.