“Suspects in girl’s murder admit they entered the U.S. illegally”
A horrifying case. 100 percent preventable:
Two suspects charged with aggravated murder in the killing of a Texas teen admitted they came to the United States illegally.
Police said 15-year-old Dani Countryman was trying to fight off Alejandro Rivera Gamboa and his cousin, 23-year-old cousin Gilberto Javier Rivera Gamboa when they strangled her at a Milwaukie apartment in late July.
Alejandro was taken into custody last Saturday on an outstanding warrant for an unrelated probation violation involving drunk driving. The murder charges were later added.
Gilberto Javier Rivera Gamboa was arrested Monday on aggravated murder charges at the Balboa apartment complex where he lives just a few doors from where Countryman was discovered.
The two also faced an immigration hearing after the murder investigation was complete. According to immigration officials, both of the suspects admitted to entering the country illegally six months ago.
Court records showed Alejandro admitted to stepping on the girl and holding her down and that the two tried to sexually assault her.
This will make you sick:
As 15-year-old Dani Countryman struggled beneath Gilberto Arellano Gamboa, pinned to the floor with her pants down, he called on his cousin to help subdue the girl. Alejandro Rivera Gamboa responded by stepping on Countryman’s throat until she stopped moving.
That’s how investigators described Countryman’s death in a court document released Tuesday. Evidence outlined in the document included statements by the defendants and a bloody shoe that matched an imprint on Countryman’s chest.
Gilberto Javier “Gabe” Arellano Gamboa, 23, who is also known as Rivera Gamboa, and Alejandro Emeterio “Alex” Rivera Gamboa, 24, were arraigned Tuesday in Clackamas County Circuit Court on charges of aggravated murder. Through a Spanish-speaking interpreter, they acknowledged the charges against them and asked for warmer jail clothes.
Dani Countryman’s family is devastated.
Great time to be pulling National Guardsmen off the southern border, ain’t it? FWIW, here’s the White House response to the Washington Times report.
Another one to file under “Too Little, Too Late:”
The Bush administration on Friday will announce plans to enlist state and local law enforcement in cracking down on illegal immigrants, which previously was largely a federal function, according to congressional sources.
The administration is unveiling a series of tough border control and employer enforcement measures designed to make up for security provisions that failed when Congress rejected a broad rewrite of the nation’s immigration laws in June. The plans are scheduled to be announced at 10:30 a.m. by Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff and Commerce Secretary Carlos M. Gutierrez.
Details were provided to Capitol Hill on Thursday. As part of the new measures, the secretary of Homeland Security will deliver regular “State of the Border” reports beginning this fall.
In one of the most interesting revelations, the plans call for the administration to “train growing numbers of state and local law enforcement officers to identify and detain immigration offenders whom they encounter in the course of daily law enforcement,” according to a summary provided to The Politico by a congressional source.
“By this fall, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement will have quintupled the number of enforcement teams devoted to removing fugitive aliens (from 15 to 75 in less than three years),” the summary says.
From 15 to 75! Whopping.
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Wonderful. Thanks Bush.
Thanks Jorge
They want warmer jail clothes. Yep, I bet those clothes, and them get real warm in hell someday.
Maybe Geraldo can chastise all of us a little more.
Head. In. The. Sand.
I wander what Teddy Kennedy has to say? Barbara Boxer? These folks are committing the crimes that Americans are not willing to commit? I think there just may be some truth to that line of reasoning. Of course, George Bush is so busy sending US Attorneys to prosecute US Border Patrol Agents and Deputy Sheriffs who actually attempt to both defend themselves and actually stop illegal drug and human smugglers that he probably doesn’t have time to notice the exceedingly brutal death of Ms. Countryman. Pathetic.
If i were the judge, I would have denied their request for warmer clothes.
Exactly. 100% preventable. Now we will have to waste taxpayer’s money defending the likes of these two.
Despicable.
75? Gee Whiz! Give me a Break.
And here’s the footnote.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0807/5323.html
May their crime be visited upon them in prison…over and over again.
What is clear is that our collective memory is faulty. Within a week the story of this little girl will be forgotten. If our elected critters had to live, as we do, with the crime and destruction not only of personal property, but persons (real live human beings that could be your son, daughter, grandson, granddaughter – or you)…..then there would be a real effort at enforcement. We watch as SWAT teams bring down doors and windows looking for drug dealers. Then we’re told that the people doing our lawns are only here to do the jobs you don’t want to do. Because, they have family values and are only trying to feed those families. The drug dealers are scary, and yes, should be persued with every effort. Yet, the hidden menace are those that are allowed to live amongst us, with no one looking for them,that we know nothing of their background, that are quite possibly the most dangerous.
How can corporations that hire them, knowing they too are breaking the law, and the elected critters that are slowly inserting bills that give every incentive to illegals to break those laws, live with themselves. When a number of Federal laws have been broken, knowingly, by those that are supposed to enforce them, where do we turn?
Incredibly sad.
May Almighty God rest the soul of Dani Countryman and comfort her family.
As for the illegals who have confessed to this heinous murder, I think a new, open air prison on one of the Aleutian Islands would be suitable punishment.
Some years ago, my sister lived in Atherton, CA, and sold her home. It took 3-4 families to buy it. Her neighbors were more than upset, but the property was large enough to zone it to multiple family level, which they did. She moved to Portland, where they were openly courting the illegals to stay through the year to keep their children in school, year round, rather than taking them out of school to follow the agricultural migrant trail. Immediately, the percentage of crime increased and number of assaults and rapes increased as well. Assistance via welfare/WICS/housing assistance was promised and delivered.
Suitable punishment would be what I am thinking but will not post to this blog.
Another thought and question.
Could the family of this young girl sue the employer (assuming they had a job that we will not do) of these illegal scumbags for hiring them? In effect contributing to this crime. Causing wronful death.
Do we have a lawyer on board?
May Dani be at peace in Heaven. May her family be comforted by prayers. May Justice be served.
Dersu, I’ve asked the very same question and have had no response by anyone. Those that have been harmed by our govmt’s failure to secure our borders and protect it’s citizens – which is all they’re rightly authorized to do – where do we turn?
If he really wanted the border closed, he’d do it. Just like he wanted the guy who tried to kill his dad killed.
I really want to try to support our Prez in time of war, but the open-borders shenanigans completely erase anything positive that I feel about his conduct as CIC of GWOT.
We weep with this hurting family over this horrible tragedy.
It is sad that these same illegal killers would have been granted amnesty (”path to USA citizenship”) under the Graham-Amnesty, John McCain, Chuck Hagel, Trent Lott, John Kyl, Democrat Party Sham-nesty bill.
The crimes will continue as long as they have.. the weights, tats, basketball, congical visits, TV, music, computers on and on and on. These friggen people should be busting rocks 10 hrs a day and this BS would stop. America has become the land of the WIMP. Just look at the elected officials. I am not advocating inhumane treatment or cruelty but this is getting out of control. God help me if anyone ever lays a hand on one of mine, I am afraid I will be the one going to jail.
BadIdeaGuy, the GWOT is the ultimate sham. We needed a base in the center of the ME. Couldn’t depend on Turkey, nor any other in the ME, to always secure a base of operations. Granted, Saddam, needed to go. Our best friends, the Saudis, kicked us out and perhaps we knew they were going that direction. But, agree with many others that there is no controlling Iraq. The people are politically (sorry, can find no other word) only suited to a dictator of sorts. At least, Saddam held them all equally with contempt.
We are spewing outrage that the Iranians are not obeying the boundaries of the border between Iran and Iran. Yet, our borders are left open. Wide open. Methinks we are speaking out of both sides of our mouths.
The idiot dems want to keep scum like these two in the U.S.A. More proof that they will do ANYTHING for a vote. I am more than disgusted.
Because we all know legal American residents never kill people, oh no…
That is the best you can do? How embarrassing.
Embarrassing? Only your focus for this piece.
Personally, as a LEGAL alien who had to jump through 9,000 hoops to get into this country it does annoy me people can just “walk across” the border.
But I find this kind of post very distasteful. It’s almost like pointing out the colour of peoples skin who commit crimes.
Sure, another unnecessarily dead American is statistically neutral. How insipid. Illegals account for 28% of violent crime in this country. No doubt trying to equalize America with the hellholes the illegal criminals came from. The fact that you think the death of this girl is trite speaks volumes about you.
Dersu’s question of why the victims of these heinous crimes cannot sue the employers is paramount to the employer’s hiring of these individuals. They are absolved of any wrongdoing. We seem unable to hold them accountable for anything. Not health care, government subsidized housing, payment of livable wages, taxes, not even background checks to verify who they are. Yet, they would not be here but for the need of the employers, and the overwhelming need to satisfy the stockholders and their dividends.
Interesting stat – where is that data from? (link would be nice)
You kill = so we kill you!
Nice Christian views from the heartland…
Is it just the media, or is it me? Why does it seem that young/brilliant minds get wasted, e.g., the girl from Columbia who had just completed her masters, by the scum of the earth characters? Why can’t they just cancel one another out, instead of taking this country’s best and promising people? Capital punishment must be exponentially accelerated, and the ACLU, American Criminal Liberties Union, dismantled
Sausage, I’ve known people of every skin color that have immigrated to this great country legally. They have been welcomed and the hand of friendship extended. Do you agree that those that are here illegally and commit deadly crimes should be held accountable, regardless of their skin color? Or should there be a time of adjustment or moratorium, where illegals of any color can break the law/kill/steal/or rape children until they adjust?
Yes, of course. They should also be booted out.
Oh dear…
You know, this wasn’t a god damn problem back when folks were coming here legally… I don’t think my Great Grandfather’s parents needed any special lessons on civic duty and such. They seemed to think they should do for their new home.
Disgusting.
And Sausage, ignoring the whole “Eye for an Eye” thing (so yeah actually, retributive killing for a killer is biblical), what do you THINK should be done to two 20 year olds who were trying to rape a 15 year old girl, and in the process killed her by stepping on her neck until she stopped moving??
You think we should just slap their hand and send them home?
They killed someone.
They chould be made to pay, and so should any one else who helped them.
They should be locked up for the rest of their evil lives.
Retributive killing for a killer is biblical if you read the good book that way. But then you can twist the bible to any way you want.
Personally, I prefer:
Thou Shall Not Kill. Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.
“Because we all know legal American residents never kill people, oh no…” – “You kill = so we kill you!
Nice Christian views from the heartland…”
MikeB…is that you? Where did you get that Sausage outfit?
Personally I prefer: “Dead Man Walking“
I will say this once. No one here has an obligation to to do your research for you. If you are ignorant about a subject matter, or to unwilling to refute a statistic with facts, then you have lost the point. Questioning a statistic as if you were an internet proofreader merely demonstrates that you have nothing to say. Look it up yourself. The number of violent Federal prisoners that are illegal aliens now stands at 28%. This constitutes an incidence 6 times that of the base population.
These poor illegals are here just trying to better their lives by committing the murders that United states citizens don’t want to commit.
“Retributive killing for a killer is biblical if you read the good book that way. But then you can twist the bible to any way you want.
Personally, I prefer:
Thou Shall Not Kill. Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.”
The old and new testiments are different philosophically on any number of points. However, there is a way to appease both versions, falls generally in line with your view and is something I’ve been long in favor of, and something even O’Reilly has come to start pushing in recent years: Don’t kill them, put them into grueling hard labor for the rest of their lives – a fate so unthinkable that the idea of the crime becomes likewise unthinkable. You can’t suffer if you’re dead, and suffer is what many of these monsters should do. It’s perhaops the one way to ensure, as a deterrent, that the world of prison to many isn’t better than the world of urban blight many would be leaving. Call it putting the “F**k that!” element into the picture, because given a sentance that harsh, that’s exactly what many on-the-fence, would-be criminals would say when faced with the potential consequences of being caught for the not-yet-committed crime which they’re considering, which is exactly the way we want it to be.
Keeping it real, Sauage is right insomuch as there are better ways to deal with the worst offenders because to many of them, even death is a blessing, and those harsher punishment measures should be enacted in the legislature as quickly as possible for the worst of this country’s criminal offenders. Sending an urban youth to a prison so lax that they call it “college”, which is a common nickname for prison, is clearly not the answer, because they come out not reformed, merely “better educated” – to commit more crimes.
Michelle,
Thank you for covering this.
Oregon gave these two ID cards (not drivers licenses)
Had DUI’s
oh lets not forget that they worked as day labors and Portland is now trying to set up a city financed site.
swj719AWG;
Please do not take GOD’S name in vain.
Regarding this horrendous murder; an eye for an eye.
They are not worth spit.
Having a daughter of my own, I can’t imagine what the parents are going through. I don’t think I would ever get over it. My heart goes out to her family. I’m sure she’s in a better place. Where she is, they actually check to see if your name is on the list before you can get in.
“Only here to do work Americans don’t want to do… ” — GWB
Is this what the RINO I voted for in 04 means when he talks about “Family Values”? Or is that just more liberal “Read My Lips!” propaganda?
Thanks puhiawa, I didn’t think you had anything to back it up. I was 95% sure.
Mr_Conservative_Cat: I agree with that. Hard labor is perfect. No TVs, no game rooms.
And this is exactly how it should be, personally I wish it was 10,000 hoops.
The responsibilities and roles and functions of Government differ in kind (not just degree) from the role of the individual Christian believer. They are of two separate kingdoms, and they have two seperate “spheres.” Romans 13 teaches that God ordains the State to implement death penalty to punish murderers. That much is clear. God ordains the State to punish murderers with death, for the very same reason that God ordains the purpose of government to enforce laws.
Therefore, when the State fails to enforce existing laws, it is thereby committing serious offenses not only against its citizens, but primarily against God. Individual believers should refrain from “seeking vengeance”, because God ordains the response of the believer to be different from the response of the State. God ordains the State to “reward” murderers with death.
Unfortunately, your comments are, sadly, true. It is so sad. I believe America is becoming more and more “apartheid-like” similar to South Africa in the 1980s: the elected officials (Graham-amnesty, John Kyl of Arizona, Chuck Hagel of NE, Trent Lott of MS, Democrat Party) live in areas where they do not even see the effects of illegal immigration, the inherent “law-lessness”. Meanwhile, the rest of us live in areas where we see the effects of law-lessness all around us.
In my area, I see illegal aliens that are not Spanish, Mexican, or whatever. But they are still here illegally. You see, illegal aliens come to the USA illegally from many, many countries (Brazil, Poland, Eastern European descent), not just Mexico.
And the problems of illegal aliens stem NOT from the color of their skin, but precisely from the inherent law-lessness of their very choices. These people are law-breakers, and they are here illegally.
The American Left loves to “misdirect” the topic to the skin color angle. But the facts are that illegal aliens are law-breakers who, by their choices, encourage law-lessness.
God ordains the Goverment to punish law-breakers, not reward them with the gift of US citizenship.
The reason why MM points out the “illegal alien” angle of the tragic murder is because it should serve as a stark reminder of how serious and how tragic it is when Government fails to implement its God-ordained roles properly.
That is your interpretation of the text.
Funny how people, as I said, can make the Bible say anything they want to – and ignore further text in Romans 13:
Love your neighbor as yourself.
Love does no harm to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
So when your neighbor rapes and kills your daughter, you’re just going to sit there and turn the other cheek?
Conserv_Cat, you’re right. I wish we could develope a form of imprisonment that was so damned rough it would make the crime unthinkable.
Moving rock piles by hand, turning big rocks into little rocks, that sort of thing…
Yeah, at the bottom of the Ocean…..
What the Bible says or doesn’t say is not the point.
This is so sad and horrific, and it happens all too often. I grieve for the 15-year-old girl who will never again enjoy her right to life, who will never experience all the good and bad things that we adult Americans get to experience in our lives.
That anyone’s life should be cut short by people who are here illegally is a disgrace. Our leaders and our officials who have not enforced the laws are to blame – and we are to blame for not kicking the bums out. It amounts to criminal negligence on our leaders part, and at the least apathy on our part.
I’ve heard a lot of stupid “zero tolerance” policies from the socialist/liberal left – but we need zero tolerance for illegals.
The illogical argument of, “let him who is without sin cast the first stone”, is totally misquoted and taken out of context by the Religious Left who have no respect for Biblical Authority in the first place. That verse, mentioned by Jesus, refers to the fact that there is indeed One who is without sin where Justice and Righteousness is indeed rooted, and that person is God Himself. Jesus condemned individual “believers” wanting to punish another by death for their particular sin. Rather, Jesus taught that all authority flows not out of the popular religious, cultural teachings of the day and age, but rather from the eternal nature of God Himself.
Jesus’s point was that as believers, we should not seek vengeance, but God Himself as Judge is sovereign over that. “Vengeance is mine” says God in Romans 12:19. Individual believers should never seek vengeance on their own.
But the above point only applies to individual people. This does not apply to the State or to Government. This is because Romans 13 specifically teaches that the purpose of Government is to punish law-breakers. Romans 13:4-5 says, “…he does not bear the sword for nothing. He (referring to the government) is God’s servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.”
Someone wrote, “nice Christian views from the Heartland.” My response: it is important to study the Bible first for the proper definition of “Christian views” instead of following the Religious Left’s bankruptcy of epistemological and religious relativism. God ordains the State to punish law-breakers, even with death.
And that is “a Christian view,” even though it is not popular with the Religious Left nowadays. But it is taught in Scripture.
This makes me want to hang every prisoner in our jail that threaten deadly force in commission of their crime and cease the ill gotten gains of all illegal Aliens (while kicking them out the door).
But that would not restore a live.
I do say that criminals cannot be allow free run in any part of our society because how many good and honest people must die by those whom ignore our Laws.
I say one is to many.
Again ColtsFan you skip over the rest of the text in Romans 13:
Love your neighbor as yourself.
Love does no harm to its neighbor.
Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
I do not think misquoting Scripture is funny at all. You may think it is funny, but I do not.
This is because James 3:1 warns against many “presuming to be teachers” because God says teachers will be judged more strictly because careful attention and obedience to the Scriptures is mandated by God.
Your “Love your neighbor as yourself” quote again fails to acknowledge the Biblical distinction between the spheres of government and the individual believer. Your “love your neighbor” quote only applies to the sphere of ethical conduct for the individual believer, not the State. This is because God Himself, as the righteous Judge, ordains the State to punish lawbreakers, even with death.
By your faulty logic, you are implying that God Himself is a liar, when you keep repeatedy confusing the distinctions made between individual, professing believers and those roles and functions that God Himself relegates to the State.
But God Himself is not a liar. God has ordained the State or Government to perform some roles or functions, and He has ordained different roles for the church. For example, “the conversion of souls” was never defined in the Bible as a function or role of the state. But the Bible does say it is a role of the church. Punishing people for capital crimes was never a function or role of the church. But the Bible does state that God does ordain capital punishment to be a proper function of the State.
My purpose is only to encourage Biblical thinking on a hot topic nowadays. I am not trying to be contentious or difficult.
It is just that I see these hermeutical errors all the time.
The Fred Thompson shirt at Thoseshirts.com has it right…
Romans 13:
Love your neighbor as yourself.
Love does no harm to its neighbor.
Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
Not difficult to miss. Not difficult to ignore. And yet….
The part of Romans 13 I quoted is well-known in systematic theology for being part of the multiple Biblical texts that establish differing responsibilities and roles for different spheres.
You keep on quoting texts that refer to the individual’s personal ethical conduct. And you omit the texts that talk about the unique responsibilities and functions of the State.
Ohhh righttt, that’s what it is then. A different sphere. Oh well, we don’t need to apply that bit of biblical truth to anything then.
Thank God for the separation of church and state in this country. The founding fathers certainly had foresight in that regard when people use the bible as an excuse to execute people.
One hopeful lesson is that I have encouraged you to study the Bible more carefully, instead of just sitting here watching you commit multiple hermeneutical errors and misquoting Scripture all day.
That would “be a bit of biblical truth” to apply to our thinking from this conversation. Hermeneutical errors do not please God at all.
Hey ColtsFan. You’re wasting your time. It’s like arguing with a child when he keeps saying the same exact thing over and over and over again when you’ve already debunked his logic. The rest of us get it. Thanks.
I originally saw this on Free Republic yesterday. It sickened me then and it has sickened me again. I truly hope the state of Texas takes care of these animals to ensure they will never hurt another living thing again. I personally feel there is no more horrible crime a man can commit against a woman then that of rape. It is all about control not sex and many third world invaders bring this part of their culture with them when they not only violate our borders and then our wives and daughters. Isn’t diversity grand? Thanks so much El Presidente for failing to perform your duties under Article 4 Section IV of the US Constitution.
The adult suspect in the murder of 3 black college students in Newark, NJ has been identified as an illegal alien. I think Newark is a sanctuary city either by policy or fact. This has very interesting political implications for the Democrats who run the city and the State of NJ. Watch for the story to get buried as fast as possible.
The actual biblical translation is “Thou shall not murder”. The left has perverted one of the ten commandments to mean that all killing is bad.
#62 Where di you read he was illegal? I had an inkling but nothing I read supported it. The whole state of NJ is a sanctuary for illegals. I live here and if my profession didn’t keep me here I would leave. Menendez is a problem politician for this state. There have been 3 news stories I have read about this state this week and all have been arrest or death of illegals latinos. The best was an arrest of a man from Nogales caught w/meth in south NJ mmmmmmm! illegal YES!
All the biblical references are fine – but they distract from the simple facts of this case – and those like it – which are these:
1. The accused are illegal aliens
2. If they were not in this country, they would not have had the opportunity to kill this girl.
3. Both of the above statements do not mention race – it is insignificant.
Those who wish to connect race to these simple facts are the ones who are race-baiting and attempting to distract from the simplicity of the matter.
Do all illegal aliens commit crimes?
Beyond the fact that they committed a crime to ENTER the country – no, the don’t.
However, they have broken the law by entering the country as they have, or staying being their visa’s expiration. And if any of a number of crimes had been punished appropriately, or laws enforced as they were intended to be – many lives affected by the more severe criminals within the ranks of illegals would have been spared their suffering.
It upsets me when the open borders groups talk about how bad it will be to deport the illegals because it breaks up families. Well, that’s the risk they took when they came here illegaly. That argument doesn’t hold water anyway. Sending murderers to prison breaks up families, too. Should we not send murderers to prison because it would break up their families? It’s ridiculous!
One more point:
On August 9th, 2007 at 11:38 pm, sausage said:
“But I find this kind of post very distasteful. It’s almost like pointing out the colour of peoples skin who commit crimes.”
Are we not allowed to discuss the fact that a person who has committed a crime has, in fact, committed previous crimes? Because that is exactly what MM and others are doing when presenting this information.
If someone is arrested for drunk driving – is it not relevant that they’ve had a previous DUI?
Same logic for shoplifting, speeding, assault, etc..
The point here is that if these lawbreakers were dealt with appropriately, ( as in deported after previous incidents or kept out through enforcement of our current immigration laws ), they would not have been IN the country and able to murder this person.
Again – not a racial issue.
Here is a link that should hold the answers you seek.
#51 – Hey ColtsFan….please keep in mind I was quoting Sausages’ earlier comment.
If I were writing the laws…..a quick .50-cent bullet would be the end of this kind of scum….no matter race, color or creed. Busting rocks all day is fine for anything up to murder/rape/molesting… but for those who cross that line….may God have mercy on their souls…..and the faster their souls get up there to face God the better I think.
Amen.
Sadly, the families will be victimized all over again in the court system because these devils now have rights and attorneys who will try and make the victim out to be a willing participant and her death was an accident.
I am a Christian but I would stand in line to throw the switch (as if they would EVER get the death penalty).
Until this country values human life (from inception), there will be people who will gladly treat a persons life as having no value.
The picture that keeps playing in my head is the “Cool Hand Luke” type of prison, to replace the Club Meds we have now. I truly believe the crime rate would drop like a stone. I can remember in my childhood seeing “chain gangs” working on the roads in my community overseen by some really mean looking guards with shotguns and dogs. Oh, for the good old days.
I have a three year old, the actions of these two illegal alien crimminals makes me sick!!!!!!There should be a death penalty for anyone who rapes a child. Raping a child affects him/her for life. 30 years in prison is not enough for these guys, as children will still be suffering effects of being raped. I wonder how Gerald Rivers will try to defend the actions of these illegal immigrant crimminals?
This process of having an illegal alien receive bail and be released pending a trial is nonsense.
Start locking them up instead of setting them free while their trials are pending – and do so in a ‘Cool Hand Luke’ type of atmosphere, as Mensan stated…
Why perpetuate the problem by allowing them to either skip-out on their charges or commit more crimes while waiting for a hearing on the earlier ones?
Ridiculous
Warmer jail clothes? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? They should get the same treatment they would get back in thier homeland. This cruel and unusaul punisment thing has gone to far. They still hang people in Utah. Why can’t we hang these bastards?
See, now I have to move to Utah…
Still liking the bottom of the Ocean for these murdering dirtbags.
I’m not religious at all.
Take these two bastards out and kill them.
There, is that better?
I think Charlie Daniels said it best
Simple Man
I ain’t nothin’ but a simple man. They call me a redneck I reckon that I am, But there’s things going on that make me mad down to the core.
As far as I’m concerned there ain’t no excuse, For the raping and the killing and the child abuse. And I’ve got a way to put an end to all that mess
Just take them rascals out in the swamp. Put ‘em on their knees and tie ‘em to a stump
Let the rattlers and the bugs and the alligators do the rest
You know what’s wrong with the world today. People done gone and put their Bible’s away. They’re living by the law of the jungle not the law of the land. The Good Book says it so I know it’s the truth An eye for and eye and a tooth for a tooth. You better watch where you go and remember where you been. That’s the way I see it I’m a Simple Man.
‘Whiskey for my Men, Beer for my Horses’ has a good suggestion as well…
Seems I missed all the fun last night. Had to watch the Cowboys do their thing. ColtsFan – you did a splendid job of explaining the finer points of scripture, and it’s subtle differences and nuances that go over the head of many. Good reminders for us all. Enjoyed reading the responses this AM.
It’s clear we must secure both borders. It’s also clear that the focus of American ire should be directed straight at the governing elite in Mexico and other third world countries exporting their misery to better managed countries. This constant internal soul searching is rediculous when the fact of the matter is the state of Mexico is ideologically incapable of enacting policy to spur job growth. The Federal District elites promote a fashionable socialist agenda that it’s empty coffers will never be able to support. Brazil, ditto; two beautiful countries blessed with vast natural resources yet cursed with backward and inward government. The MSM should relentlessly hammer the leaders of these countries instead of leveling their thoughtless and ethically impaired barbs in an endless partisan blame game.
That means he’s been in the system.
That means he’s been previously convicted of a crime.
That means this murder was 100% preventable.
Every politician and law enforcement officer,
most certainly those in Homeland Security,
along with every illegal immigrant advocate,
along with those who empower the advocates with their support,
who fails to recognize the obvious fact that every illegal who is found committing a crime (aside from that of entering the country itself) must immediately be deported shares responsibility for this girl’s death.
Add to that all those who don’t see that without a secure border vermin like this can return again and again at will.
There is zero excuse for a failure to deport aliens who commit further crimes after entering this country. Zero. I don’t care if it’s jaywalking. Those who did so, from policy to enforcement, are accessories to her murder.
Chertoff, and Condi should be charged with treason for being agents of Mexico, and allowing an invasion into America of third world drunk drivers, and rapists.
For all of us who asked how many of our precious children will be kidnapped, murdered and raped before criminal aliens are denied bail and deported forever, here’s your answer.
Straight from the Federal government…
Keep your children close, don’t let your eyes leave your children for even a moment and get used to it because alien criminal behavior is only going to get worse.
That’s fine. Anyone who hurts my kid will deal with me personally. They had best pray to whatever god they believe in that the cops find them first, because they will not survive our encounter.
Hurt me or mine, and you pay. Even Ghandi said you fight to defend your family. My kids will know how to fire a weapon as soon as possible, and will get to take any self-defense class they want (Though I’ll push Krav-Maga due to it’s effectiveness).
Fair warning world. Steer clear of my family.
swj,….ditto….
Re: Suspects in girl’s murder admit they entered the U.S. illegally.
1. In a related illegal immigrant killing Americans story – the following is an update about the murdering of 3 New Jersey students and the attempted murder of the survivor:
2. WTF!!! Jose Carranza, 28 had already been charged by Essex County grand jury in Apr 2007 on aggravated assault and weapons charges.
3. In July on 31 counts, including aggravated sexual assault of a child under 13 years old and endangering the welfare of a child he had a duty to supervise, court records show. He was then released!!!!
4. With plea negotiations ongoing in the first case, Carranza was due to appear in court later this month, court records show.
Link: http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2007/08/p…t_in_newar.html
5. Can someone explain how Jose Carranza was able be released:
A. After being arrested for a 2nd time and facing 31 charges including the rape of a child
B. Still have plea negotiations ongoing in the 1st case
C. DHS possibly aware of his illegal immigration status?
6. These murders could have been prevented if Jose Carranza was still in jail.
7. I think this was a grave miscarriage of justice and I think there should be a full blown investigation and people need to be fired over this.