Sanctuary Nation or Sovereign Nation: It’s your choice Update: Illegal alien deportation evader Elvira Arellano will leave church sanctuary to participate in amnesty march
Update: Rudy-come-lately, Rudy the Flip-Flopper.
Update: So, what does Michael Chertoff plan to do about this? Chicago Tribune:
Elvira Arellano, the illegal Mexican immigrant who has avoided deportation for a year by taking refuge inside a Humboldt Park church, plans to leave her sanctuary next month to participate in an immigration march in Washington, according to today’s edition of Hoy.
Arellano, who is scheduled to announce her decision later this morning, told the Spanish-language newspaper in an exclusive interview that she hopes to use her status as a figurehead for the nation’s estimated 12 million illegal immigrants to leverage support for more lenient reforms.
After the Senate failed to pass a bipartisan bill in June that would have offered legalization for undocumented immigrants, the federal government has stepped up enforcement through more workplace raids, higher penalties against employers who hire illegal workers and a more concerted effort to go after fugitives like Arellano who have already been ordered to leave the country.
“If [immigration authorities] want to arrest me over there, in front of Congress, in front of the White House or in front of the Senate, and deport me in front of all those people that make the changes in the law, it’s fine,” Arellano, 32, told the newspaper while inside the Aldaberto United Methodist Church on Division Street. “But I’m not going to stay quiet, nor wait for them to come to arrest me and deport me. I have to fight and this is part of the fight.”
Arellano entered the US illegally in 1997, was deported once, re-entered the US illegally again, gave birth to a son, and used a false Social Security number to get a job at O’Hare International Airport. She was ordered to appear for a deportation hearing in 2006. Instead, she took refuge at Adalberto United Methodist church in Chicago to ditch the hearing and evade deportation authorities.
Secretary Chertoff? Which is it? Sanctuary Nation or Sovereign Nation?
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Will the execution-style murder of three young students in Newark, N.J., finally turn the tide in the immigration enforcement debate? Will we at last abandon the deadly, chaotic, lawless sanctuary nation experiment and restore America’s lost status as a sovereign nation under the rule of law?
The death of six innocent men and women and the injury of more than 1,000 at the hands of several illegal alien 1993 World Trade Center bombers wasn’t enough to convince politicians in New York and across this country to end illegal alien sanctuary policies.
The death of nearly 3,000 innocent men, women and children at the hands of the 9/11 jihadists who exploited our lax entrance and visa enforcement policies in 2001 wasn’t enough.
The death of 10 innocent men and women in the Washington, D.C., area at the hands of an illegal alien sniper and his bloodthirsty mentor in 2002 wasn’t enough.
But now we are in the heat of a presidential election cycle. The open-borders opportunists in immigration enforcement clothing are professing to see the light. With illegal alien murder suspect Jose Carranza and his alleged MS-13 gang-banging boy helpers who are being sought in the brutal Newark murder case dominating the news on the Eastern seaboard, politicians can’t find a camera fast enough to condemn the very sanctuary policies they promoted and tolerated for decades — sanctuary policies I’ve highlighted for years in this column and on this blog.
Amnesty-first GOP presidential candidate John McCain is now singing the enforcement-first tune. And GOP presidential hopeful Rudy Giuliani vowed Tuesday to stop the flow of illegal immigrants into the U.S.
He’s touting a “tamper-proof ID card” that includes fingerprints for everyone entering the country and a central database to track when they leave.
What Rudy-come-lately fails to comprehend is that there are already multiple alien tracking databases mandated by federal law that have yet to be fully implemented, integrated and used. The reason they don’t work is because open-borders interests have sabotaged them by restricting funding for them, objecting to them on civil liberties grounds, and pushing local and state governments to forbid public employees from checking them to verify citizenship status. Ring a bell, Rudy?
Giuliani’s newfound border security zeal is intended to blunt criticism by GOP rival Mitt Romney of Giuliani’s pro-sanctuary record as NYC mayor. Giuliani has issued Clintonian denials that he supported sanctuary. But the record is clear. New York City’s sanctuary policy was created in 1989 by Democrat Mayor Ed Koch and upheld by every mayor succeeding him. When Congress enacted immigration reform laws that forbade local governments from barring employees from cooperating with the INS, Giuliani filed suit against the feds in 1997. He was rebuffed by two lower courts, which ruled that the sanctuary order amounted to special treatment for illegal aliens and was nothing more than an unlawful effort to flaunt federal enforcement efforts against illegal aliens. In January 2000, the Supreme Court rejected his appeal, but Giuliani vowed to ignore the law.
To this day, the city’s policy of safe harbors for illegal immigrants stands. Giuliani successor Michael Bloomberg defiantly reiterated the official sanctuary posture of NYC this week: “Let ‘em come.” Could he be more callous, cavalier and out of touch in a post-9/11 world?
From New York to Newark to Seattle to Portland to San Francisco to Los Angeles to San Diego to Houston to Miami, lawmakers have taken this go-with-the-flow attitude toward illegal alien border-crossers and visa overstayers and deportation fugitives. “Let ‘em come.”
But in the wake of the Newark murders and the illumination of illegal alien gang crime penetrating the country, a new rallying cry came from the lips of Newark Mayor Cory Booker: “Get this evil out of my city.” That won’t happen without a demonstrated commitment to cooperate with the feds to enforce immigration laws and deport violent and dangerous criminal aliens first.
A few weeks ago, I launched deportthemnow.com. Nearly 8,000 volunteers have signed up to make their voices heard. Our top priorities will be to push for the adoption of a program known as 287(g) to identify criminal illegal aliens in as many cities as possible; to repeal “don’t ask-don’t tell” sanctuary laws; and to support lawmakers like Newark City Councilman Ron C. Rice, who is pushing a resolution to coordinate efforts between law enforcement when an illegal immigrant is charged with a felony, and New Jersey Assemblyman Richard Merkt, R-Morris, who proposed prohibiting jail officials from releasing illegal immigrants and requiring them to be remanded to federal authorities.
It’s time for ordinary Americans to come out of the shadows and remind Washington every day in words and actions that we are a sovereign nation, not a sanctuary nation.
No more promises. No need to wait for Election ‘08. Just do it.
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Geraldo Rivera is fuming and sputtering. No, not because he is angry at the government’s failure to prevent illegal alien crimes that are, as the Freedom Folks put it, 100 percent preventable. Rivera is fuming that the MSM is finally taking the criminal alien angle seriously.
Tool.
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Reader KM:
As a Police Officer in the State of California for 20+ years, I can assure you that there was a time in the history of our nation (or at least California) where Illegal Aliens were picked up and sent back to their own country - which was usually Mexico. From 1975 until about 1978 we were expected to arrest undocumented aliens if they had no documents or what they did have were false. On most every week-end I would arrest 15 to 20 illegals, call the Border Patrol and on Monday a large bus would show up and take them out of our jail and back to the processing center in the San Diego area. Of course, I could expect to see most of them back in town in 3 days or so, but they were deported at the time. It was much easier to get back across the border. These were not criminals - they were very hard working and they usually did their very best to stay out of trouble. They did not fight with the Police Officers who arrested them - they just gave up and accepted the free vacation ride back to Mexico and their families. Then things changed in about 1977 or 78. We were told that we had to have probable cause to believe that someone had committed a criminal violation of a State law before we could stop and arrest. Then, since we were really good at finding minor violations that gave us P.C. to make the stop and then arrest any illegal alien in the car, they changed things around again. We were told that we could not stop and arrest any suspected illegal alien without seeing them commit a misdemeanor or having Probable Cause to believe that they had committed a felony. Then, we had to arrest them,prosecute them and have them serve their State Prison or County Jail time before they could be deported. After that it became a joke. It also became far more dangerous for an officer.
The govt. of Mexico was releasing their criminals and sending them north with the promise that they would face very serious penalties if they were found back in Mexico. It was a nightmare. An officer could tell if the person he was talking to was just a poor working stiff or a criminal who knew how to work the system in Mexico and the U.S.
It got to the point that we didn’t bother trying to get anything accomplished unless it was a major felony because we would see our misdemeanor arrests back in town after they did their County Jail time. They were not being deported. So, unless it happened right in front of us where we could testify to what crime had been committed (like DWI or Drunk in Public)it wasn’t worth the time and effort to try and build a case because the prosecutors would look for reasons to not prosecute.I’m still in Law enforcement but not as a Patrol Officer. I went up thru the ranks to become a Police Chief in several different cities but tired of the politics and small town politicians. I know, as do hundreds or thousands of Police Officers that worked the streets during the 70’s, that at one time this country did do the right thing. The men and women on Police Departments today would be more than happy to arrest and deport illegal aliens - if they were allowed to and they didn’t have to climb thru a virtual mountain of paperwork just for one arrest. It was done in the past and it could be done again - all that has to happen is that our National Politicians need to go back and see what was changed in the late 70’s and repeal that change. Cops would be happier, legal residents would be happier, citizens would be happier. Yes, there would be the unhappy ones who claim that they need the workers or that we are violating rights that illegal aliens don’t have in the first place, etc., etc..
This is not a problem that can’t be solved. Between the people who would leave here of their own free will and the people that are arrested and returned to their native country, I think we would see a major difference in only a few years. Add to that the raids on the large employers of illegal aliens and you have a large number of people headed back to their homeland.
Albuquerque, NM becomes a sanctuary city. They will come to regret it someday.
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I wish I could say this is enough to turn these sanctuary city’s around, but I think not. We are on a very dangerous path which will take a huge effort to change. I am not sure this country has the fortitude to make such changes.
The really sad part is if these children had been killed by a white gangbanger the race hustlers Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton would be all over the news but just like all good Democrats and liberals they remain silent because the potential for a new voter base is placed above the lives of American citizens. They will sell each and every one of us to the devil if it mean’t they could be re-elected.
It is a step in the right direction … but only a “baby” step … these cities still only want to deport an illegal if he is convicted of a crime … so if he is found not guilty he goes right back on the streets until the next time … that is a crock …
This guy had over 30 arrests and various violent charges against him … and was back out on the streets every time …
Report all illegals that get arrested to ICE and then we citizens raise the roof if ICE doesn’t take action …
The rising number of innocent American citizens, mostly young people, being murdered or killed by a drunk driver who is not legally in this country is totally ridiculous …
The same goes for the illegal thugs and murderous gangs that are now infesting our cities … get rid os this trash …
Suspend all federal funds to cities that declare themselves sanctuaries … the law is already in place that forbids sanctuaries … enforce the law
Jaded, I was also wondering when the Rev. Jackson & Sharpton were going to pipe up about this but knew there would be nothing but crickets.
What would Geraldo do if that was his son or daughter who had happened to be in Newark that night when old Jose came around? What an idiot he is.
What is wrong with this country? Illegal aliens now seem to be running things. It’s time for the sanctuary city to go the way of prohibition.
It’s a joke where I live, not a santuary city but a “Nest” that will spread. Enforcement doesn’t exist from employers on down and sickens me.
Well said Michelle. Please repeat often so that the loud clamor will ring in these almost deaf politician’s ears.
I was watching Geraldo last night on O’Reilly it just amazed me that he is just blind to the fact that illegal immigrants don’t belong here to kill innocent victims such as these 3 kids. He either didn’t want to or just didn’t understand what Bill was saying I think the the first one.
Just talk with the money…withhold it from all cities that give sanctuary.
Gerry Rivers is a pimp. Always has been, always will be.
With Geraldo. I believe we have found our “Lord Haw-Haw” for the Sanctuary Nation movement. It is sad that Geraldo’s world view appears to be extremely racial. He seems to be for overturning “Rule of Law”, “Rights of Citizenship”, or the right of anyone in subornation to his “special people.” It is same voice I heard as a child to reject a good family from attending my childhood church because they did not have the right shade of skin color. It was the same voice that said that “women are incapable at do into ‘real’ work.” The Sanctuary Nation movement is becoming a divide in the United States of American and I am afraid that in my life time the events that started with the “Battle of Fort Sumter” will be replayed anew.
“Tool” is something useful, I think there has to be a better description than that for Geraldo.
Is it possible to deport Geraldo? The Greeks used to do this 2500 years ago. Maybe we could revise the practice.
On another note, I had a brother-in-law that pointed out something interesting that I had not noted before. That is the fact that illegal immigrants are extremely racist. They apparently will not gravitate to cities and towns that have a large black population. I can assure you that there are very few in Shreveport, LA. I don’t mean for this to sound racist from my stand point. But it could be used as a point of argument with the powers that be. They would respond to that more so than the mear fact that these people are lawless and violent.
Let’s give Chertoff a little help. Check out the website WeHireAliens.com and if you see one of your neighboring companies on the site, mail them a copy of the wehire web page which refers to them along with a copy of the new rule on firing employees with no match social security numbers. Put them on notice that their neighbors are watching them.
Amen Sister!
Excellent post and excited to see some DTN details surface. Mind if I do a Michelle as Emeril impersonation real quick?
“Stick around folks, because when we come back…
ANOTHER NOTCH!!“
Excellent suggestion Heartland!
I wish that it were our choice. Unfortunately, we are not going to get a President or a Congress that will do anything but talk about it.
Even if such a thing as “Tamper Proof” existed, it wouldn’t stop illegal alien violence. I believe that broad support exists for securing the border and deporting illegal aliens as they are found. Deport the criminals first!
“Only here to do jobs Americans don’t want to do!” — GWB
One of the fundamental problems is that the families of the “Elites” in the country would never be in close enough proximity to dangerous, criminal aliens for such a thing to happen. They are protected by gated communities, private security details, and the comfortable space provided by high-end real estate. It is the rest of us whose families are at risk, and therefore the politicians and pundits simply don’t care. They want us to bear the consequences of their policies and they get angry when they are called on it.
And yeah, Rudy really should get a nod for the Lip Service Hall of Fame after his border enforcement schpiel on Hannity. Painful to watch.
The government is weak, both sides of the aisle. It all comes back to ‘civil rights’ which is hogwash in these circumstances. Do the crime, do the time and then get the hell out of our country and don’t come back.
#19 you’re correct here in NYC during his time in office he made the city a sanctuary for illegals BECAUSE he felt if they were working and collecting tax payer money they wouldn’t commit crimes.
That’s right out of the article. RIGHT OUT OF IT! GAAAAHHHH!!!!! That’s like claiming you’ve just tripped over an entire house!
/yanks hair out
Our government has to start doing something to people who flout our laws. Illegals should be deported and sanctuary cities should have federal funds withheld from them until these cities start acting like they are actually part of the US. We can’t pick and choose which laws we obey. More importantly, we can’t have ILLEGALS telling the US what we can and cannot do.
What an impotent government we currently have.
Surprise, surprise…DHS comment mailbox full.
Let’s face it, not only was this a crime, it was a hate crime, committed by an illegal immigrant of one race against another race. This “war” is going to continue between blacks and latinos and is only going to get worse as sanctuary policies create a feeling of entitlement for both legal and illegal immigrants.
Three families have had their hearts ripped out because of the ineptitude and incompetence of local and federal law enforcement.
Honestly, if she makes it that far, I will be very, very disappointed…
The second she steps foot off of church grounds, they should nab her, tazering anyone who tries to block the police, and arresting them in turn.
Rudy didn’t make NYC a sanctuary…
He just allowed it to continue to be one. Six of one, half a dozen of the other in my book…
#27 True Koch and Dinkins did nothing either but, Rudy flaunted it.
I watched Geraldin-o last night on the Malkin-less Factor and I just want to slap the guy. He just does not understand that if the feds can hold these guys until trial, the judges can’t let them go. Geraldin-o thinks they will be deported before they stand trial. No - DOLT! These POS’S just will not see light of day until their trial! Get it?
Somehow I just don’t think so.
Make this woman an example. Arrest her in front of the White House. Wake this government up. She wants to fight for her ‘illegal’ status, let her. She will lose.
Unfortunately the illegal alien Gangs are now firmly entrenched, from huge drug cartels to theft rings that use hotel maids to gain access to personal belongings.
With Mara Salvatruca, it’s become the biggest organized crime wave since the Mafia, and at least the Mafia paid their taxes!
Well, most of them did…
Forgive the Wiki, best no-notice lick to that I could find…
If individuals can ignore the law with impunity, then the law cannot be respected. Michelle is correct when she says we are now at a crossroads. Are we the United States of America, a nation of laws which encourage stability and civility? Or are we the United Sanctuaries of America, a nation without laws which lives in anarchy and chaos?
The fact that the political class is beginning to realize the size and scope of the problem is no guarantee that we will not descend into anarchy and chaos. Once again, the grassroot American citizen will have to force change.
The only reason Cherti will go after Elvira is if in doing so he can make her into an even larger symbol in favor of open borders.
Americans at least have learned what a sham our administrations supposed efforts at law enforcement really is.
That means selective at best, the good guys go to prison and the bad guys get a wide open goodie bag.
I wonder if you could use things done for illegals (too-low of bail, ignoring the fact that they are commiting crimes) as a defense in court, citing it as precedent…
Don’t expect a lot of help from the WH…Bush’s turn on illegal immigration is a ruse in my opinion. Show us the harm that will come from getting rid of the illegals so we’ll accept a new “comprehensive plan”. He is no conservative…look at what he’s done.
Remove all federal funds from sanctuary cities and states(or-y-gun)While I’m at it…take the money away from cities that won’t allow military recruiters in the schools also take the funds away from cities like San Fran that don’t want to allow the Blue Angels to fly over the city…during fleet week.
Concerning Elvira and the turnaround from Bush we have become a passive-aggressive country and have lost site of the true values of what this country stands for in our constitution. If we have lost our values then why should the illegal breaking the law value them.
Re: Elvira, she states, ““If [immigration authorities] want to arrest me over there, in front of Congress, in front of the White House or in front of the Senate, and deport me in front of all those people that make the changes in the law, it’s fine,”
I say, take her up on the offer. Make it a national story - she came here illegally, was deported, came back, got fake papers.
Crime, crime, crime. Are we or are we not a nation of laws. I get a ticket for playing a stereo too loudly, or driving too quickly, or missing a stop sign. ( Examples, I’m not a bad driver
)
But yet we have these lawbreakers who flaunt their very existence within our borders and say there’s nothing we can do about it - or that we SHOULDN’T do anything about it..
I say - pick her up - lock her up - toss her out - and put her anchor-baby on the same bus.
It’s time to make an example of these blatant law breakers. Arrest her right in front of the WH and deport her to send a message we have had enough of them flaunting their status and trying to get public sympathy.
The Church should lose tax exempt status ASAP.
ITA…step one is to withhold state/federal money to any municipality with a sanctuary city policy. And I would revoke tax exemption status for any church that harbors fugitives like this Elvira Arellano broad. Who by the way is MUCH more of a radical on Spanish t.v. than she is presented in the English-speaking MSM. But I guess that shouldn’t be a surprise.
Those who have said racism is a possible motive for those Newark killings may be on to something. I’m of Hispanic background myself and I know that a lot of Latinos don’t like/fear blacks. In Mexico or El Salvador, there are few if any blacks living there. And in Latin America, class is often divided along racial lines as well as economic or familial boundaries.
We need to start some type of coalition of the willing. We jammed the immagration bill up their a**es…now we need to push it further. Complaining isn’t going to do it…I continue to send letters/faxes/e:mails to my reps as well as the President..if millions of people do that..it may help…. some more action is needed…Taking federal money from these criminal cities would be a good step. Taking federal money from states that give deals to illegals to go to college…removing tax exemption from churches and groups that are breaking the law…these are just a start…the most important issues of our time is TERRORIST (MUSLIMS) and Rampant immagration (changing our culture and ignoring our borders)….time to change now…
There is a word for what Elvira Arellano is expressing by brazenly coming out of her “sanctuary” to advocate for her fellow-illegals:
Contempt.
Contempt is brazen disdain that the weak feel for the ostensibly strong, when they know that the latter can’t or won’t exercise their power.
Contempt is the child who openly disrespects and defies his parents without fear of punishment.
Contempt is the jackal who impudently bites the old, befuddled, toothless lion.
Contempt is the politician who unashamedly takes bribes because he knows that no matter what he does, he’ll be re-elected.
And contempt is Elvira Arellano parading in the streets because she believes that Gringo law enforcement won’t do a thing about it.
And she’s probably right.
There’s another word that captures the essence of what more and more Americans feel for Federal, state and local governments that apparently aren’t interested in upholding our laws or sovereignty:
Disgust.
Michelle, I’m not sure how you keep from going crazy by constantly illustrating the disaster that is our non-policy concerning our borders and those who treat them and our laws with contempt. You seem to have a proprietary blend of pit-bull determination mixed with the patience of Job.
Do you ever feel like you’re trying to whip back the tide?
Those of us who are tempted to simply give in to feelings of disgust need people like you to constantly remind us that the battle isn’t lost as long as we’re willing to stand up and fight for what is important. For that characteristic alone, if we had anything like Japan’s “Living National Treasures,” I’d nominate you.
Thank you for your submission, KM. Fascinating, sobering read. I think you are certainly right that things can turn around. Synergy galore around here…
It will be interesting to see how much ‘protection’ Elvira has when she leaves the Church, and WHO will be doing the protecting…
ICE should be waiting outside the doors and arrest ANYONE who aides and assists her in her defiance of the law.
I have a nagging suspician (sp?) that it might be malik shabazz and the nbp since they are always good for a laugh :p
Wednesday Greetings to Mrs. Malkin and loyal community. Hearty thanks to community member Regulus, post #43 for so eloquently expressing appreciation that surely is widely and deeply felt. Somehow, the tune and lyrics of “The Impossible Dream” well to the surface here. It is evident that community members have very differing backgrounds, yet come together at what may be “ground zero” for the national cause.
Like #38 said, take her up on the offer - show everyone that a deportation order is followed through.
Sadly, the Bush administration will never enforce these laws. I hate to say it (I never in my life thought a Republican President would sell out to Mexico) but looking to the Feds to withdraw money from Sanctuary Cities is probably a pipedream. Don’t get me wrong, it’s a great idea, but Bush has it stuck in his head that by ignoring the law - instead of upholding it as he is sworn to do - he will better the lives of millions of Mexicans. Compassionate Sanctuary…
And please don’t attack me for racism, I am merely stating my opinion that George and Mexico seem to have a “thing” going on.
Arrest her.
Arrest anyone who tries to interfere.
Arrest those who have been aiding this immigration criminal.
Enforce the law, damn it!
I don’t know if anyone saw this but now we are helping Mexico’s postal system because people mailing money to relatives from the US is getting lost in Mexico. LOL you’re not suppose to send money through the mail.
“A lot of letters get lost that our citizens send to their families from the U.S., sometimes with money, sometimes with some object of value,” he said.
Excluding members of the church.
The concept of true Sanctuary - the idea of being not being arrestable on chruch grounds - is older than the USA. I’m not 100% comfortable doing away with it.
And sooner or later, they always leave…
Why don’t we just make Mexico the 51st state? Seriously, I cannot understand what the hold is that Mexico has on Bush and the Congress.
#51, nothing surprises me anymore about this situation.
#52 swj
It is illegal in this country for a church to give sanctuary. Our agents can go into that church at anytime and take her out. But it’s not PC
I hope she gets picked up arrested for evasion, but I highly doubt anyone will do anything. Its too big of a story and she will be seen as a victim not the criminal she is.
Rena
Smoke er out! burn her at the stake! ok a little drastic. But I do think she will be arrested.
terrig, stick around - Mexico will be the 51st state. Mexico, Canada and the United States will more than likely be one huge state to counter the EU. Best part of the deal is that Canada and the U.S. will foot the bill. Since we cannot allow citizens to suffer without food stamps, welfare, housing assistance, etc., it will be the largest redistribution of wealth the world has ever seen. Allowing the huge numbers of illegals to continue working here may have been the idea from the start. I seldom get caught up in conspiracy theories but when the top officials from both parties agree on one single thing it’s time to wake up. When all companies are screaming for cheaper labor (at the same time posting unpresedented profits), it’s time to wake up. The poor will be poorer, the middle class gone.
On August 15th, 2007 at 1:52 pm, xler8bmw said:
“I don’t know if anyone saw this but now we are helping Mexico’s postal system because people mailing money to relatives from the US is getting lost in Mexico. LOL you’re not suppose to send money through the mail.
“A lot of letters get lost that our citizens send to their families from the U.S., sometimes with money, sometimes with some object of value,” he said.”
It’s not the system or the equipment, stupid - it’s called ‘theft’. But I’m sure by you spending millions of dollars on upgraded equipment to mimic the US system, that’ll solve it…. RIGHT…..
BTW - I wasn’t calling xler8bmw stupid…just re-read that and I meant that remark for the Mexican govt…
Thxs jrl I was wondering LOL!
I just wonder howm much of this little project we’re funding?????
Nope — including members of the Church.
Caesar makes the immigration laws, and the Church can obey them.
Bush is propping up a Mexican government that is about to be taken over by the operatives in government clothing sponsored by Narcotraffickers.
Bush is providing an anti-narco aid package of nearly a billion greenbacks in aircraft and training for the Mexican government to increase its military presence in rural areas around the country that are haven to the criminals.
It’s an ineffective policy because without a strong border enforcement policy. Any of those criminals targeted by Mexican drug enforcement swim right on out of the country until the heat dies down. And then they operate from this side by supplying guns and ammo (heavy guns and ammo) back to their compadres back home.
Bush and company are worried that President Calderone will be assasinated. This could lead to a Marxist style government being installed by the narcotraffickers.
Narcotraffickers tend to finance “resistance” against the US and its allies (Taliban, ISI in Pakistan, do the same over there).
The illegal alien debacle is merely smoke across the public screen. Notice that conditions in Mexico are never articulated as a backdrop of *why* 20 million Mexicans are here to begin with.
If the problem is ill-defined in the beginning, then all solutions thrown at the debacle will fail.
The Mexican scenario (economy, social issues, etc) is left “in the shadows” and in its place we hear Teddy “Safe Driver” Kennedy bloviate about illegal Mexican immigrants coming “out of the shadows”. Reality is replaced by American elite stereotypes.
The real deal in Mexico is connected to the criminal happenings in Afghanistan and Pakistan re Narcotrafficking. Bush and Company have too many ties to CIA skeletons in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Lord knows what the ties to Mexicano narcos are.
Anyways- there is always more to the picture when the Federal Government chooses impotence and doesn’t enforce its own laws.
Are you sure? I’m having trouble finding anything on it either way…
hmmmmm…..I’m not very smart about these things - but would an American citizen be able to do a “citizens arrest” on this lawbreaker?
Read the 3rd paragragh.
While there is no right to sanctuary in a church under U.S. law and nothing to prevent immigration officials from arresting Arellano, agents have refused to do so because it would look bad politically to haul people out of churches.
LMAO!!!!!……. : DDDDDD
“It would look bad politically to haul people out of churches.”
To whom? It wouldn’t look bad politically to me.
It looks bad politically to me when the Federal Government does not enforce the laws of this land which are intended to protect me and my family.
Who are these six figure bureaucrats that are so concerned with political fallout from enforcing the law?
Terminate their careers without pay or benefits because they aided and abetted criminals.
From the AP no less…
I stand corrected.
In that case, I’m even more disgusted. Kick the damn door, slap her in irons, and haul her away!
And anyone who lays a single hand on the arresting officers.
swj Tell us how you really feel!
I can’t.
MM would delete my post for vulgarity…
She should be immediately deported. She and her liberal groups backing her are thumbing their noses at law and order, rule of law and our sovereignty.
Waving at MM while she talks to Howie Carr !
I’d love to see the law go into the church and grab her up - if for no other reason than to see the ACLU shudder at the quandry of having to stand up FOR the Catholic Church, instead of against it….
Eisenhower would have gone in and grabbed her and sent her and the kid packing back to Mexico!
I live in a sanctuary city,H town,3 people killed last weekend by once deported illegal,dui wreck,2 yr old burned to death,the county of 4 mil is now over 60% illegal by the stats just released last week.Billboards in Spanish,Mexican flags in all the cars,schools are trashed,Chinga rappers,you cant swing a dead cat and not hit an illegal.Adios
I have not read all of the comments on this topic….question??? Can someone make a “citizens arrest” on Arellano if the autorities do not act…it would need to be someone who would not be in fear of being beat, harassed, and subjugated to hate and litigation!! Who could we recruit??
Where’s Dog the bounty hunter when you need him?
Rallen, I’m not sure about the laws, but I know the government has not been a fan of the voluntary militia that has tried to patrol the borders, so I don’t think a citizens arrest would be acceptable.
Also, I’m sure that you’d be sued by the ACLU or some other organization if you tried.
I’m not sure why there’s an immigration law if it’s not going to be enforced.
I think it would be a good thing to STOP USING THE TERM “Illegal Immigrants”.
If they have not applied legally to immigrate here, then they are not immigrants, they are trespassors, they are foreign invaders, they are cutting to the front of the line at a cost to every “Legal Immigrant”.
It is a disservice to those trying to immigrate legally to call the foreign invaders immigrants. They are not immigrants, they are only illegals.
Let’s just call them that. “Illegal Immigrant” is a term of art that has no truth to it..,
For citizen’s arrests in Illinois:
” Arrest by a Private Person (725 ILCS 5/107-3) “Any person may arrest another when he has reasonable grounds to believe that an offense other than an ordinance violation is being committed.”
In the U.S., all states permit “Citizen Arrests” if a felony is committed in the presence of the Private Person. Illinois Law above also includes misdemeanors, but not ordinance violations. Generally by “arresting someone” the general consensus is that means you are detaining them until Law Enforcement authorities can arrive. A State’s Attorney can always charge someone with a crime based on another person’s testimony or urging, but in that case the charges are placed by the State’s Attorney or a Police Officer.
It is important to note that a private person does not have the authority or legal protections that are often applied to the Police. A Private Person is liable under both Civil and Criminal law for the violation of the rights of another. Private Persons are for the most part not trained in arrest techniques and are not armed, so it can be dangerous for them to attempt arresting another person. It is likely that the person being arrested may resist with force or even a weapon. Excessive force could also result in charges against the person trying to arrest another.”
http://blogs.suburbanchicagonews.com/trooper/2007/01/citizens_arrest.html
He isn’t listening.
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/070815/15prezvacation.htm?s_cid=rss:15prezvacation.htm
#77 Actually the government refers to them as Illegal Aliens.
Alberto Gonzalez has the authority to order the arrest of Elvira, but he must be too busy testifying in front of congress.
In 2000, Janet Reno ordered a physical assault seizure of Elian Martinez, the then 6 year old boy, to be deported to Cuba. Who can forget the front page picture of the INS agents storming Elian’s home in full riot gear with automitic weapons?
Is that too much to ask for an illegal immigrant in open defiance of US law like Elvira?
#81 that is exactly why the govenment won’t do it because of the Reno fiasco!
Greenbay, thanks for the quality info on citizens arrests. I was just curious if this procedure still existed in the US. I have resided abroad for 28 years, and boy!, I get so “animated” by what is happening….We have illegal aliens here as well….they are put in the back a pick-up truck and thrown out at the border! Criminal aliens are given due process, serve time, then put in the back of a pick-up and tossed out!!
I’ve often wondered what would happen if you walked through a gathering of illegal immigrants protesting while wearing a jacket that said “INS” on the back…
The sense of entitlement displayed by Arellano is absolutely incredible. My position differs a little from many here but this arrogance in the face of the law is just plain wrong.
Right now, there are approximately 2 million people around the world waiting to come to America - LEGALLY. Waiting periods vary from 3 years in Mexico to 7 years in some African countries. These are people who want to come here, want to assimilate, want something better for their children and want to become Americans. And this woman has the unmitigated gall to spit in their faces and tell them that somehow she is entitled to cut in line ahead of them.
It always makes my blood boil when people take on airs as if they were deserving of special treatment. As an example, don’t get in the ‘Express” lane at a grocery store in front of me if the sign says “10 items or less” and you’ve got a full grocery cart. I guarantee I’ll make you feel 6 inches tall by the time you roll your cart out the door.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/southflorida/sfl-flblaraza0723nbjul23,0,7764647.story
Hillay and Obamination want to make these fine folks legal. High priority to pander to the illegals.
Bear #62:
I don’t buy into most of your conspiracy but the idea that the narcoterrorists are getting stronger in Mexico is spot on.
Whole states in the north are now under the direct control of these people. And as we’ve just been informed (despite the government knowing about it since 2002) these narcoterrorists facilitiate the insertion of Middle Eastern terrorists into the US by helping them with false ID and allowing them to use their smuggling routes to get in here illegally.
The police are bought and paid for in those Mexican states and the army isn’t much better. I have a couple of Mexican friends who are terrified that in 5 years, the cartels will have elected a President who will basically make Mexico something like Chicago was during the 1930’s - a wide open place where the law doesn’t apply to those with enough money to buy it.
I don’t buy this “North American Union” conspiracy theory if only because the Canadians people would revolt if they thought they were in any way connected to the US. Those Canucks are extremely proud and independent people and would fight before they were subsumed in some kind of supra-national entity with the US obviously dominant.
I have a great idea: why don’t we simply close and defend our borders? And then why don’t we deport every single illegal alien we find? I know, I know. But I am frustrated beyond words…
Just a short while ago, I saw a report about this woman on tv - possibly Lou Dobbs, I’m not sure…..
But she was making a statement to the press - reading, obviously straining to read the words in English, a prepared statement which blamed her plight on US trade policies & Nafta - and laid it on America’s lap for having policies that made the jobs in Mexico hard to find.
What a crock - it’s obvious that she was reading from some left-wing propaganda and she’s now being used even MORE as a tool for the left.
What I haven’t seen anyone mention today - although I’m sure it was before - is that this ILLEGAL ALIEN CRIMINAL was working at O’Hare airport when she was arrested.
Another case of lax security measures at our most vulnerable areas. Sure, she may not have had access to planes, I don’t know - but the fact is that she was still working at a high-profile travel hub, one of the busiest in the world.
If she can do it - how many others can - have - or currently are????????????
Hello Mr. Rick Moran. Per your post #89, you are wise to be wary of conspiracy theories. In the great majority of such cases, the cause of a given event can eventually be identified as an “innocent” confluence of unrelated factors, major and minor. However, in this matter, relying on a reflexive Canadian distaste for an embrace by their southern neighbor is not necessarily a reliable dog in the night. Many similarly proud nations with at least as much record of going to the mat for their national identities and sovereign rights as Canadians have, have been subsumed in the European Union. In the case of progress towards a North American union, it may be that Mexican sensitivities would be disturbed before those of Canadians.
As it is right now, however, they are Americans who see the Republic handed down to them in a lineage from the Founding Fathers who dig in their heels. They see recurring and substantial bipartisan collusion to subordinate the Constitution and supplant the Republic with a North American union, or empire if you will. Certainly the actors in this are not all in a conspiracy; the vast majority of those who seem to dream of a “republic of Che” would not in ten thousand years associate with those who seem to work towards a “republic of ConAgra”, but due to the confluence of interests at this time, they end up working for a time in tandem, as witness recently their prominent paragons President Bush and Senator Kennedy.
Conspiracy or something else, still ours is a republic, if we can keep it. Even today, as at the time of the original warning two centuries ago, it is a challenge. If we can be gentle with each other but be ready to forswear the coddling blandishments of empire, we may have the moral fiber to keep the Republic.
Thank you for your loyal efforts with this news medium and the worthy cautions and comments you offer from time to time.
How fuller of manure could DHS and the Bush administration be about border security? Piling on security certainly works for the Koreas.
10 to 1 our spineless, corrupt, and incompetent DHS would let Elvira Arellano visit their main office and not detain her.
As Geraldo so perfectly made us aware last night on H&C, all ages of illegal aliens are dangerous, whether they sneak into the U.S. at 2 years old or 11 years old, when they grow up they can become criminals and possibly murderers.
100% preventable if they’re not here.
So, Thanks Geraldo.
Deny ALL illegals entry, stop and deport them now. When illegals are found anywhere anytime, deport them now.