Moonbat storage company is at it again

By Michelle Malkin  •  August 16, 2007 07:39 PM

In March, New York city readers called my attention to these Bush-deranged billboards by left-wing storage company, Manhattan Mini-Storage:

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Well, they’re baaaack. And now the Manhattan company has really crossed the line:

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Truly. Tasteless.

LifeNews.com reports:

A good business advertising plan normally involves commercials that get the public’s attention but shy away from controversy. Yet, a New York City storage company is taking controversy head on as it uses a pro-abortion message to advertise its services.

A billboard on Manhattan’s West Side Highway, at 44th Street and 12th, Avenue is getting the public’s attention with a strange message.

It shows a large wire hanger with the inscription, “Your closet space is shrinking as fast as her right to choose.”

Manhattan Mini Storage, owned by Edison Properties, placed the ad and it’s drawing criticism from Catholic League president Bill Donohue.

“New Yorkers are accustomed to Manhattan Mini Storage posting billboards that bash the Bush Administration, but when it makes the leap from partisan politics to crude cultural commentary, it is stepping on dangerous turf,” the pro-life advocate said in a statement.

“Why a storage company finds the need to advertise its support for abortion is a story all of its own,” Donohue added. “But when it seeks to depict the pro-life community—which is primarily Catholic and Protestant—as oppressive, then a line has been crossed.”

On the other side, Planned Parenthood of New York City says the ad is “fabulous.”

“We salute Manhattan Mini Storage for helping to make New Yorkers as aware as we are of the growing restrictions on reproductive freedom in this country,” the group said in a statement.

And a spokesman for NARAL said it applauds the company for wearing “its pro-choice values on its sleeve — or on its building.”

“Fabulous?” Try warped.

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  1. #1
    On August 16th, 2007 at 7:49 pm, slp said:

    On the other side, Planned Parenthood of New York City says the ad is “fabulous.”

    I did not realize that Planned Parenthood of New York City performed abortions with coathangers.

  2. #2
    On August 16th, 2007 at 8:06 pm, englishqueen01 said:

    Repeat after me: Fertility is not a disease. Pregnancy is not an illness.

    Abortion is unnecessary in 99.9999% of all cases.

    How can we believe that the only way a woman can be dignified is if she has the ability to kill her unborn child?

    And how come the pro-abortion crowd conveniently ignores all the women who’ve had abortions and suffered – physically and mentally – as well as those that have died?

    We saw in Lila Rose’s undercover reporting that PP has no regard for laws…especially laws dealing with the sexual abuse of children.

    And clearly they have no respect for the dignity and role of women.

  3. #3
    On August 16th, 2007 at 8:07 pm, Pickle said:

    List of Manhattan Mini-Storage charitable partners:

    http://www.manhattanministorage.com/pages/about.jsp;jsessionid=BE2536B449880DEE657C6C0D20AACA50

    Complaining to the company would be useless in this case, but some of their partners might be interested in knowing what you think about their association with such a company, and what you plan to do about it in terms of not doing business and/or contributing to their charity again.

  4. #4
    On August 16th, 2007 at 8:09 pm, blacktygrrrr said:

    From a business standpoint, this defies logic. I have no idea how my auto mechanic feels about gay rights or stem cell research. I just want my car fixed.

    Once again, ideological bigotry raises its ugly head.

    http://blacktygrrrr.wordpress.com/2007/03/11/ideological-bigotry/

    http://blacktygrrrr.wordpress.com/2007/06/18/ideological-bigotry-part-v/

    Respectfully,

    eric

  5. #5
    On August 16th, 2007 at 8:13 pm, zorro said:

    I can only imagine what sort of cretin would rent space from those bozos.

  6. #6
    On August 16th, 2007 at 8:21 pm, Regulus said:

    What never ceases to puzzle me is how some liberals – no, a lot of them – evidently are so fixated with expressing their anathematization of “the Other” that it seeps into every part of their lives.

    I think that what gets the folks at Manhattan Mini Storage out of bed in the morning isn’t so much the urge to pee as the need to squeeze out the pus-like sense of rage that is constantly bubbling up from inside themselves.

    Without their hatred, they have nothing to live for; yet at the same time by consuming themselves with hate their lives become warped to the point of self-caricature. It’s tempting to feel the same way toward them in return … but pity seems more appropriate. What a meaningless, empty, pathetic way to exist.

  7. #7
    On August 16th, 2007 at 8:45 pm, allrsn said:

    On August 16th, 2007 at 8:07 pm, Pickle said:
    List of Manhattan Mini-Storage charitable partners:

    http://www.manhattanministorage.com/pages/about.jsp;jsessionid=BE2536B449880DEE657C6C0D20AACA50

    I sent 2 messages to 2 people.

  8. #8
    On August 16th, 2007 at 9:01 pm, Tom Blogical said:

    And they put a coat hanger in the ad? Disgusting.

  9. #9
    On August 16th, 2007 at 9:03 pm, greenfairie said:

    I’m not sure whether it’s pandering to Manhattan’s leftists (of which there are many) or the liberal propensity to bash you over the head with their beliefs or a little bit of both.

    Whatever the case, it’s one of those things that convince me Civil War II is coming ’round the corner.

  10. #10
    On August 16th, 2007 at 9:48 pm, teresafromtejas said:

    What does politics have anything to do with storage space? Random.

  11. #11
    On August 16th, 2007 at 9:51 pm, sausage said:

    Totally and utterly gross…. unfortunately, it’s had the desired effect – free publicity for the company.

    Sickos.

  12. #12
    On August 16th, 2007 at 10:22 pm, 24Klady said:

    Regulus, you’ve made a great point. Just getting out of bed for some is the matter of dealing with the world, not as it is, but how they’d like it to be. It matters not what your view is for that world. From that lofty viewpoint, if you’re not able to see their view and aid them to implement it, you’re a real enemy. Morals matter not. Laws must be enacted to prevent you from any argument. Obsession is a fickle mistress. A pictured coat hanger is the start of obsesson.

    Unrestricted “reproductive freedom” is certainly not noble, the same way the termination of that unrestricted act is not.

  13. #13
    On August 16th, 2007 at 10:40 pm, Thomas said:

    Hey Pickle, blacktygrrrr and allrsn, did you know that you can use the “link” button in the commenting box to link your html into a shorter, single word or two that makes the page a little neater?

    Its cool and is very easy to use. Just highlight the word you want to be linked, and then click the button, and then add the link in the pop-up.

  14. #14
    On August 16th, 2007 at 11:02 pm, Michael said:

    You have to hand it to the company with respect to appealing to a target audience with tactics that gain it free publicity from other corners. In that manner I agree with “sausage” (#11). But “Pickle” (#3) does have a good suggestion as far as dealing with other MMS supporters.

    Fortunately, the tactic does only appeal to limited areas. Someone who tried that here on the Eastern Shore of Maryland would likely see their business cease to exist pretty quickly.

  15. #15
    On August 17th, 2007 at 1:10 am, gippergirl said:

    The same people who applaud the government telling you whether you can smoke in your car while a child is present are applauding abortions. Do these people truly care about the right to life, or do they just want the government trolling about theirs???

  16. #16
    On August 17th, 2007 at 1:39 am, Defector01 said:

    this is so beyond important its astonishing

    All it means is I won’t use their service ever again and that she’s a liberal with a fetish for persecution. Yawn, so do the all.

  17. #17
    On August 17th, 2007 at 3:06 am, pgtips said:

    The coat hanger thing is just … disgusting. And that pr-abortionists are supporting the add just defies description.

    Welcome to the 21st century. We empower women by ripping out babies with coat hangers.

  18. #18
    On August 17th, 2007 at 3:57 am, Mr_Conservative_Cat said:

    I hate to admit it but it makes perfect marketing sense in the majority, even if the ad isn’t for everyone (and no one thing is true for everybody):

    1. Who needs cost-effective closet/storage space? Students, artists, musicians, people who, in NYC, skew heavily to the left in large numbers.

    2. Get’s your attention whether you love or hate it, and if you love it, you’ll dial ‘em right up if you need storage and can afford their price.

    3. NYC is a VERY densely populated spot, where word of mouth has much more impact: 2 people discussing it at work are likely to be overheard by more people, etc etc etc.

    I dislike the smarmy attitude – which is gigantically intellectually dishonest – but can’t say that they don’t have a good marketing strategy for what they’re selling considering where they’re selling it. Like so much else we have to tolerate in the media these days it’s gross, but I’d guess it proves to be effective.

    For catharsis: MAYBE THIS THREAD SHOULD HAVE A PHOTOSHOP CONTEST FOR A HYPOTHETICAL STORAGE COMPANY FOR CONSERVATIVES. ANY TAKERS?

    Sample line: “Now that democrats control congress, have you run out of space for your increased IRS forms? Is your storage space shrinking faster than Edward’s presidential prospects? Are you more scared about it than Hillary is about debating on Fox News?
    Right is Right Storage – when you just don’t have any room left.”

  19. #19
    On August 17th, 2007 at 6:31 am, DesertLover said:

    Mr_Conservative_Cat

    I must agree with your point that based on where they are located they can get away with things like this advertising approach that would not work for them in many other parts of the country … makes it pretty clear what the local attitudes are in NYC … I personally find the ads to be gross and on the sick side …

    I like your idea about the conservative storage company contest … always fun here to see the creativity within this group get turned loose on something like this …

  20. #20
    On August 17th, 2007 at 7:07 am, ajmontana said:

    “Hide Skeletons Here”
    “Manhatten Mini Storage”
    “1-800-braindead”

  21. #21
    On August 17th, 2007 at 7:10 am, ajmontana said:

    it’s early…*Manhattan*

  22. #22
    On August 17th, 2007 at 7:16 am, terrig said:

    The fans of the billboard-NARAL & Planned Parenthood have all been born. What if their mother’s had excercised their “choice” and they weren’t here. Well, the pro-death crowd always tell me that is a “straw man” argument. Perhaps it is but they have a voice, the ones who they murder as a “choice” have no voice.
    I also agree that where they are they can get away with it. However, it’s a sad reflection on society that they think they can. I’m positive there are plenty who are offended but most don’t speak up.

  23. #23
    On August 17th, 2007 at 7:46 am, Chief RZ said:

    I wonder if PP and liberals would applaud if another storage facility were to advertise with the reminants of a “partially born” (killed by head cut off, brains sucked out) baby–all bloodied? YOU CAN NOT STORE YOUR MURDERED BABIES HERE!!

  24. #24
    On August 17th, 2007 at 7:59 am, ajmontana said:

    oh boy, I figured Geraldo would be on Fox this morn. I think I need one of those Caramel whatcamacallit’s. sheesh

  25. #25
    On August 17th, 2007 at 8:28 am, iamsaved said:

    It seems the use of the word “choice” has been targeting the wrong choice ever since the pro-death people started sugar coating their description of what abortion really is.

    The woman has always had a first choice as to whether she wants unprotected sex or not and no one is trying to take that away.

    The pro-death crowd switches the focus to the second choice which is a demand to be free to make a choice of which consequence they should choose because of their first bad choice. We all know that it’s really not a choice at all, they’ve already decided what they want to do. Kill!

  26. #26
    On August 17th, 2007 at 8:50 am, HeatherRadish said:

    I’ve been hearing this “ZOMG! We’re not going to be able to get kill babies anymore! NOOOOOO!!1!!!” bullcrap for eight years. I’m plain weary of the stupidity. Even if Roe v, Wade gets “overturned” it’s always going to be legal to kill babies in New York.

    In an ACTUAL Bush fascist totalitarian reich-winger regime like they believe we live in, they’d get imprisoned or worse for displaying anti-establishment lies like that on a billboard.

  27. #27
    On August 17th, 2007 at 9:07 am, englishqueen01 said:

    Do these people truly care about the right to life, or do they just want the government trolling about theirs???

    No.

    To many on the left, children are nothing more than accessories – things to be obtained if and when they suit their needs, and discared if they don’t.

    They don’t care about children; they only care about forcing their ideologies on others. They dislike smoking – children are merely used as an excuse.

  28. #28
    On August 17th, 2007 at 9:24 am, RedRepub said:

    List of Manhattan Mini-Storage charitable partners:

    http://www.manhattanministorage.com/pages/about.jsp;jsessionid=BE2536B449880DEE657C6C0D20AACA50

    Complaining to the company would be useless in this case, but some of their partners might be interested in knowing what you think about their association with such a company, and what you plan to do about it in terms of not doing business and/or contributing to their charity again.

    The Lincoln Center is a charitable partner!!!! AUGH!!!!!

  29. #29
    On August 17th, 2007 at 9:32 am, Rusty said:

    Mr_Conservative_Cat, you are 100% right. This ad is brilliant. They are targeted the right demographics and getting a ton of free publicty while the owners of Manhattan Mini Storage get the added bonus of getting their political agenda out there.

    Obviously if you’re anti-choice you’ll hate the ad. But how many anti-choicers are living in Manhattan or will use this service?

    And, pgtips

    Welcome to the 21st century. We empower women by ripping out babies with coat hangers.

    Well, the point is that empowered women don’t have to use coat hangers.

  30. #30
    On August 17th, 2007 at 9:35 am, On-my-soap-box said:

    On August 16th, 2007 at 8:06 pm, englishqueen01 said:

    How can we believe that the only way a woman can be dignified is if she has the ability to kill her unborn child?

    This should be the billboard next to that piece of junk. Well said.

  31. #31
    On August 17th, 2007 at 9:37 am, On-my-soap-box said:

    On August 17th, 2007 at 9:32 am, Rusty said:

    Well, the point is that empowered women don’t have to use coat hangers.

    No, we have more advanced ways to kill babies. Like piercing their skulls and sucking out their brains.

  32. #32
    On August 17th, 2007 at 9:43 am, jamesgreenidge said:

    Wanted: MM’s Good Housekeeping Seal Of Approval

    I’ll keep saying it again and again; We need a mega-list of Michelle-Approved Products & Services for us to chose and companies to seek kudos in!

    James Greenidge
    Queens NY

  33. #33
    On August 17th, 2007 at 9:43 am, Kevin from Ohio in Virginia said:

    Should the fact that they’re hanging this bologna up all over Manhattan really shock us, considering what they are willing to do to helpless children? Frankly, anyone who can justify the murder of innocent babies ought to be able to justify about anything when it comes to advertising.

  34. #34
    On August 17th, 2007 at 9:50 am, jrlingreenbay said:

    I’d love to see a conservatively-owned storage company put a billboard showing Sandy Berger stuffing his pants with papers with the text:

    “Running out of places to put your important stuff?”

    On another note: “reproductive freedom”

    Everyone has ‘reproductive freedom’ No one has been told you cannot reproduce. And no one ever said you HAVE to have sex. You can choose. You can choose not to. You can choose to use contraceptives.

    It boggles my mind that people justify killing by terming it ‘reproductive freedom’.

  35. #35
    On August 17th, 2007 at 9:52 am, englishqueen01 said:

    Obviously if you’re anti-choice you’ll hate the ad. But how many anti-choicers are living in Manhattan or will use this service?

    “Choice”? Rusty…when did murder become a “choice”.

    As someone else said – a woman has a choice well before she gets pregnant.

    She can choose to use contraception, which is readily available. She can walk into any Walgreens and get condoms. Or she can choose NOT to have sex.

    The choice should not be whether or not her unborn child is killed.

    In light of the SCOTUS upholding the PBA ban, babies are now injected with the same substance used on convicted death row convicts…the same substance liberal groups call “inhumane” and “cruel and unusual punishment.”

    But, apparently, it’s OKAY to use that on innocent babies who haven’t committed crimes…but not convicted murderers.

    If that is your definition of “choice”, if that is what you think “empowers” women…that is sad.

    As a woman, I am empowered by my ability to give and nurture life. I said it before – fertility is not a disease. Pregnancy is not an illness.

    For people who claim to be “progressive”, they sure have a hard time moving past the barbaric practice of abortion.

  36. #36
    On August 17th, 2007 at 9:56 am, On-my-soap-box said:

    On August 17th, 2007 at 9:52 am, englishqueen01 said:

    Yeah, what she said!!!

    If all women were as smart as englishqueen01, there would be no need for abortion. Alas…

  37. #37
    On August 17th, 2007 at 9:58 am, terrig said:

    Rusty, what if your mother had practiced choice and there would be no Rusty. Then we would not have heard your wonderful argument:

    On August 17th, 2007 at 9:32 am, Rusty said:

    Well, the point is that empowered women don’t have to use coat hangers.

    I know that isn’t a nice thing to say but it’s what I say to the pro-death crowd everytime they tell me how enlightened they are.
    I loved being pregnant and wished I could have had more children. We were lucky we got to adopt a child with all that “choice” out there. Rusty, you probably think those who are not “perfect” should be a choice as well. Do you have kids? I’ve known a lot of “pro-choice” women until they had kids of their own and then changed their view.

  38. #38
    On August 17th, 2007 at 10:29 am, Thomas said:

    HeatherRadish said: I’ve been hearing this “ZOMG! We’re not going to be able to get kill babies anymore! NOOOOOO!!1!!!” bullcrap for eight years. I’m plain weary of the stupidity. Even if Roe v, Wade gets “overturned” it’s always going to be legal to kill babies in New York.

    In an ACTUAL Bush fascist totalitarian reich-winger regime like they believe we live in, they’d get imprisoned or worse for displaying anti-establishment lies like that on a billboard.

    ….. absolutely.

    Very
    well said.

    (almost 8 years.)

  39. #39
    On August 17th, 2007 at 10:38 am, huggybear said:

    What never ceases to puzzle me is how some liberals – no, a lot of them – evidently are so fixated with expressing their anathematization of “the Other” that it seeps into every part of their lives.

    You could substitute “conservatives” for “liberals” in that statement, and it would be just as accurate; a number of comments here demonstrate that point astonishingly well. Even more accurate, why not just say “people”?

  40. #40
    On August 17th, 2007 at 11:06 am, Rusty said:

    Whoa, I’m not about to get into an abortion debate because there’s no way anyone can come out a winner.

    I greatly sympathize with those who are against abortion. (Although I hate it when people bring my mother up. She was pro-choice! She chose to have me!)

    I think abortion should remain legal in most cases. I think the Supreme Court’s most recent ruling on D&X abortion was horrible and Justice Kennedy’s opinion was condescending to women. I think it’s disingenuous to call this the “murder” of “innocent babies” when aborted fetuses are smaller than dimes and can not live outside of the womb.

    But I truly respect the opposing viewpoint and understand how this is a matter of life and death to many.

    I also think that the Manhattan Mini Storage ad was brilliant. It’s getting play everywhere. Publicity = $$$. Good for them. They’re not after your business so they can afford to anger the anti-choice crowd.

    (If you can use pro-death, I can use anti-choice. Fair’s fair.)

  41. #41
    On August 17th, 2007 at 11:06 am, englishqueen01 said:

    If all women were as smart as englishqueen01, there would be no need for abortion. Alas…

    Thank you for the kind words, On-my-soap-box.

  42. #42
    On August 17th, 2007 at 11:08 am, On-my-soap-box said:

    On August 17th, 2007 at 11:06 am, Rusty said:
    Whoa, I’m not about to get into an abortion debate because there’s no way anyone can come out a winner.

    Yep, because over 50% of participants in abortion are the losers.

  43. #43
    On August 17th, 2007 at 11:10 am, Rusty said:

    Cute.

    I mean there’s no room for middle ground so there’s no need to debate the point. You should fight for what you believe in and I’ll fight for what I believe in and we’ll let the democratic process and the marketplace of ideas take it from there.

  44. #44
    On August 17th, 2007 at 11:16 am, chapoutier said:

    For clarification…

    Is the rage here over the fact that the company is proselytizing in their ads or that the owners of the business disagree with (presumably) the vast majority of you on abortion?

    If this discussion is about pro/anti abortion, then I have nothing to add. But if it is about the propriety of the vulgar commercialization of political/moral/religious views through advertisement I wonder how many of you would get too worked up about In-N-Out Burger (yummmmm) putting biblical quotes on their burger wrappers or Bess Eaton, who does the same on their coffee cups or Alaska Airlines who put biblical scripture cards on food trays.

    I do think the new ad is tasteless, no matter one’s feelings on abortion. And certainly what the Christian companies I mention above do, is much less controversial. But more a matter of degree than real difference in form.

  45. #45
    On August 17th, 2007 at 11:22 am, On-my-soap-box said:

    On August 17th, 2007 at 11:10 am, Rusty said:
    Cute.

    I do not fight for what I believe, I just believe it is murder and there is no struggle at all for me to believe it. Why don’t we get John Edwards to channel all the dead babies and ask them if they had a “choice”? I think that would settle the argument once and for all. The dead babies would think they were killed or, maybe, murdered.

    CUTE?

    There is nothing cute about 1.5 million babies being killed every year in some of the most unimaginable ways that human depravity can conceive.

  46. #46
    On August 17th, 2007 at 11:23 am, englishqueen01 said:

    Rusty:

    Can I ask WHY you think it should remain legal.

    Also, if this:

    I think the Supreme Court’s most recent ruling on D&X abortion was horrible and Justice Kennedy’s opinion was condescending to women.

    refers to the ban on PBA, then your following comment:

    I think it’s disingenuous to call this the “murder” of “innocent babies” when aborted fetuses are smaller than dimes and can not live outside of the womb.

    is disengenuous.

    A corollary to my opposition of abortion is that it messes with the fundamental definition of when life begins and what is life.

    When an egg is fertilized, that zygote is distinctly genetically human. It may not LOOK human and it may temporarily be incapable of survival, but it is human and it is a singular product of that one egg and that one sperm cell.

    If we start messing with the notion of “when life begins” – or keep messing with it, as we are – it opens the door wide for other atrocities.

    Don’t believe me? I have one name for you: Peter Singer.

    Singer believes that children – born children up to the age of one year – should not be considered human and could be subject to murder if it’s decided they’re unwanted or unfit (for any reason).

    And this is the direct outgrowth of the abortion crowd claiming – repeatedly – that unborn children are not human, that they’re “blobs of tissue”, that they don’t feel anything and aren’t really alive.

    They are.

    Babies are born at 24 weeks gestation and they LIVE – normal, healthy lives. Medical technology has advanced such that there should be few, if any, reasons for pregnancy to pose a direct threat to a woman’s life.

    In the cases where it does, you aren’t going to get any argument from me that saving the mother’s life is of the utmost importance. Only irrational people would demand a woman die rather than be treated for a life-threatening illness. But out of 100 cases, this is the situation in less than 1 case.

    In fact, George Killer has performed PBAs on healthy children simply because women feared being unable to play sports or go to rock concerts! How does that gel with the notion of abortion being a “women’s health issue”?

    As I’ve said twice before in this conversation. Fertility is NOT the disease. Pregnancy is NOT an illness. Please explain to me why you think it is.

    Why is it so difficult for people to understand that?

    How can it be so easy for a segment of our society to treat unborn children like trash?

    How have we allowed our humanity to eliminate 30 million lives – 30 million of my peers, with me being born in 1983 (on the 10th “anniversary” of Roe v. Wade, ironcially)?

    Why is this – abortion – considered the epitome of feminine ideals? Why are women considered somehow incomplete if they can’t go to a clinic and have a natural, biological and miraculous process snuffed out?

    (If you can use pro-death, I can use anti-choice. Fair’s fair.)

    Fine. Then I’m anti-choice. If your definition of “choice” is life or death, that is.

    Whoa, I’m not about to get into an abortion debate because there’s no way anyone can come out a winner.

    Yes there is. When life is treated with respect from conception to natural death, we all come out winners, Rusty.

  47. #47
    On August 17th, 2007 at 11:38 am, Rusty said:

    D&X is often called “partial-birth.” My beef with the ruling is that it doesn’t protect the health of the mother and it also leaves open D&C abortions which are the exact same thing just inside the womb. It solves nothing for either side of the abortion debate.

    And Justice Kennedy’s reasoning boiled down to: “abortions can be traumatic so I want to make sure women don’t do anything they may regret.” I am sure that women who could end up permanently injured from a problematic fetus will thank him for the heads-up.

    D&Xs and D&Cs are incredibly rare and are rarely used unless the life or health of the mother is in danger. If the abortion happens without the mother’s health in danger and the fetus can be viable outside of the womb, that abortion is already illegal (Planned Parenthood v. Casey). So I have problems calling fetuses “babies” when they can not survive on their own.

    And life beginning at conception? That rules out birth control pills, Plan B, and IUDs. You say women have a choice to have protected sex, but you are severely limiting the means of protection. Condoms are not nearly as dependable as the three post-conception birth controls listed above. Abstinence is nice and all, but it hardly applies to married couples who either don’t want or can’t afford a child.

    EnglishQueen, I swear to you I respect your view. What I think morally and what I think legally completely diverge once abortion is brought up. Morally, I think you’re right. Legally, women deserve the right to have complete control over their reproductive rights.

  48. #48
    On August 17th, 2007 at 11:41 am, terrig said:

    On August 17th, 2007 at 11:06 am, Rusty said:
    (If you can use pro-death, I can use anti-choice. Fair’s fair.)

    Sure Rusty, I you can call me anti-choice all you want. I’d rather be anti choice than PRO DEATH. Well too bad you don’t like your momma being brought into it. If you were conceived at an inconvienient time for her you would be in the “trash heap of history”. It’s not a pleasant thought I know but you pro-deathers never seem to think about what could those millions who have been aborted accomplished-perhaps a cure for aids, perhaps a cure for cancer, perhaps they could have been the next big thing in the music, sports, movie world but we will never know because a “choice” was made for them that they weren’t in on. Why do you think people have to go all over the world to adopt children-it’s because of “choice”. Yeah, again I would venture a guess you have no children.
    I read this morning that geneticists are looking for an “autistic” gene. That’s just another excuse to abort those who aren’t perfect. I’ve had to deal with plenty in the pro-death crowd who tell me that knowingly having a child with Down syndrome was completely immoral and wrong. I laugh at them and turn away. Those of you who are pro-death really must be empty inside to think that this is an okay thing. Yes, I know women have been doing this infinitum but does that make it right, of course not. But at the same time, why are millions dead?

  49. #49
    On August 17th, 2007 at 11:51 am, Rusty said:

    I think aborting a fetus because it may have Down’s Syndrome or autism is sick. It actually makes me angry.

    And, no, you can’t bring my mom into this. She chose to have me. That’s the entire point of being pro-choice. Making the choice to have children! Hurray for me and my brothers.

    Saying that we could have missed out on a cure for AIDS or the next big thing in music because of abortion is a silly, silly argument. By that logic, every sperm that ends up in a condom or on a towel or unused in a tube is waste of potential human life that could have saved humanity.

    We’re at six billion now. It’s not like the world needs more people to figure out a cure for cancer.

  50. #50
    On August 17th, 2007 at 11:55 am, On-my-soap-box said:

    On August 17th, 2007 at 11:51 am, Rusty said:
    I think aborting a fetus because it may have Down’s Syndrome or autism is sick. It actually makes me angry.

    WOW! I nevre thought we would agree on anything. I will admit, I was wrong. Good call!

  51. #51
    On August 17th, 2007 at 11:58 am, terrig said:

    Well Rusty, you don’t get it, you won’t get it and there’s nothing that can be done for you. I guess it’s uncomfortable to think about but that’s why you need to. As for my silly arugument about missing out on cures-condoms, towels, etc. did not gravitate to the egg and fertilize that’s a non-issue. What is being discussed is those who are conceived not those who aren’t. Perhaps you go with the old Scrooge from the Chrismas Carol adage, if they be like to die, let them do so and decrease the surplus population. Remember what happened to him? Before you go off, I know it’s a story.
    Again, sorry you’re so offended that your birth and siblings birth was brought into the conversation. It was too make you feel uncomfortable. It was a choice to have you, yes, but it could have easily have been a choice to have you sucked out at 8-12 weeks very easily. You should send your mother flowers on your birthday to thank her for letting you be here.
    So

  52. #52
    On August 17th, 2007 at 12:02 pm, terrig said:

    Hit send too quickly-Anyway, glad to see that you feel that those who are deemed “less than perfect” deserve a shot at life. While our daughter’s life is considered a chore to some, she brings more love and understanding than anything. We are better for having her in our lives.

  53. #53
    On August 17th, 2007 at 12:07 pm, iamsaved said:

    Who among us was never in the womb and susceptible to being aborted? I guess we all looked like meaningless blobs differing in appearance from the living, breathing humans we turned out to be.

    Choice? Conception is a natural process and if allowed to continue results in the birth of a human being. The only choice one makes is to interrupt that process by terminating the pregnancy. To terminate is to murder.

  54. #54
    On August 17th, 2007 at 12:08 pm, englishqueen01 said:

    Rusty:

    D&Xs and D&Cs are incredibly rare and are rarely used unless the life or health of the mother is in danger

    Not true. Look at Tiller – I believe MM has some information on him here. He is the biggest provider of PBAs in Kansas (and, I believe, the nation) and he regularly BOASTS about it. The man is evil walking.

    He’s done PBAs simply because the “mothers” were afraid of being unable to play sports or go to rock concerts. That’s not – the last time I checked – a “health issue”.

    And if it is – what would be the difference if a baby was born versus being killed if the life of the mother was at stake? PBA essentially does that – so why does the child have to die? Why can’t that baby be put up for adoption? I’m sorry, but there is no logical reason for PBA. None whatsoever.

    Do you have children, Rusty? The moment my son was born, I knew I’d do anything – ANYTHING – to prevent him from being hurt. I couldn’t imagine and cannot fathom what in our “progressive” culture makes it okay to do what PBA does to someone so innocent, so fragile, and so defenseless.

    With regards to Justice Kennedy’s ruling. He’s absolutely correct. How many times have PP and NARAL freaked out about any legislation that would require mothers to have the FULL range of information – including ultrasound/sonogram pics before making such a big decision? Why is it condescening to give women time to think about this decision? Some people give more consideration to what kind of car they’re going to buy than if a woman fully knows and understands what happens during an abortion.

    There are thousands upon thousands of women who had abortions and regretted it – some who felt forced, lied to, and hoodwinked. See Project Rachel for just a sample of what I’m referring to.

    And you NEVER hear NARAL or PP address those issues. In fact, these women have been mocked. They never say anything about the women who suffer subsequent misscarriages, infertility, breast cancer, or death from abortions. Abortion is treated like a haircut – painless and worthy of only as little regret.

    With regards to contraception – I don’t agree with it and I don’t use it. And you know what, I’m not perpetually pregnant and I do get to enjoy the benefits of married life. Without opening up a whole can of worms, why is there this presumption that women MUST be available for sex 24/7/365? Did you know that, on average, there are only 4-6 days a month (not including the “Visitor”) a woman is fertile? Is it so radical to think people can’t have enough self-control to abstain for a week?

    The Pill is (I believe) more hazardous to a woman’s health than pregnancy. However, I would not attempt to make that illegal. And I guess there is a difference between the Pill causing a miscarriage and the willing act of going to a clinic and intentionally ending a pregnancy.

    I respect and appreciate your tone in this debate, even if we don’t agree on the moral implications.

    I have to ask – what about the father’s rights? What about the child’s rights?

    Why is it WOMEN are the only ones who have rights when it comes to decided something that involves two other people (the father and the child)?

  55. #55
    On August 17th, 2007 at 12:22 pm, Rusty said:

    There are so many issues here and, to be honest, reproductive rights aren’t exactly an area of expertise for me. I, unlike all of my liberal friends, would probably vote for an anti-choice candidate if he/she matched up with a whole bunch of other things I believe in.

    I am sure there are tons of women who regret their abortions. Of course, there are tons who don’t. Whether you agree with Justice Kennedy or not, it is certainly not the Supreme Court’s job to play parents to women. It’s an attack on women’s decision making. Whether you’re for or against abortion, his opinion struck a blow against gender equality. It was both dangerous and stupid.

    D&Xs and D&Cs are illegal if the fetus is viable outside of the womb. Viability is what differentiated fetuses and babies, so I’m ok with that (legally speaking).

    As for “full information,” a lot of that information is hooey designed to either make a woman feel guilty or to spread outright lies connecting abortion and breast cancer. If a woman makes a poor decision (like how she got in this mess to begin with), that’s her problem. It’s not government’s role to prevent someone from exercising their civil liberties because they think it might be a mistake.

  56. #56
    On August 17th, 2007 at 12:25 pm, jrlingreenbay said:

    Too many of the comments that are ‘pro-choice’ are premised that the ‘choice’ is whether or not to have the child you carry.

    What about the poor ‘choice’ you made when you conceived the child in the first place?

    Teens having unprotected sex – ( and adults, for that matter ) – seem to forget that they have a ‘choice’ at that time too. They can protect themselves, or ‘choose’ not to have sex.

    It seems as though those choices are overruled, irrelevant and foolish, and the only true ‘choice’ to be made is whether or not to destroy a developing human being.

    As for Rusty’s comment: “They’re not after your business so they can afford to anger the anti-choice crowd.”

    Why would a storage company wish to disenfranchise so many potential customers? Sure, they may do well, financially, but why alienate such a large consumer base? From a business standpoint, it doesn’t seem like that great of a decision.

  57. #57
    On August 17th, 2007 at 12:48 pm, Rusty said:

    As another commenter pointed out, they’re going after Manhattanites (liberal), and, more specifically, students, musicians, and artists (all verrrry liberal).

    And free publicity never really hurts.

  58. #58
    On August 17th, 2007 at 12:50 pm, inviolet said:

    On August 17th, 2007 at 3:57 am, Mr_Conservative_Cat said:

    Right is Right Storage – when you just don’t have any room left.”

    LOL! *claps*

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