Brown like Geraldo, but not down with Geraldo
Here’s Geraldo Rivera on Fox and Friends this morning responding to my comments yesterday about his open-borders bullcrap (thanks to AllahPundit for the vid and heads-up):
Geraldo says he “cringes” whenever I’m on Fox. I’ll tell you exactly why. It’s not because of any principled objection he has to the arguments I’ve made in my books (which he hasn’t read), columns, blog posts, and tee-vee appearances. It’s because the mere existence of conservative-thinking minorities who reject his tired old brand of identity politics threatens his race/ethnic-card-playing schtick. He can no longer dismiss all immigration enforcement proponents as racists without looking like a fool or tool, because there are countless, vocal numbers of them like me who have skin as brown as his. He cringes because he knows I’m not alone. He cringes because I’ll call out his bullcrap to his face without feeling any need to soften the blow or suck up in a collegial manner. He’s a know-it-all who knows nothing about the deportation abyss–and he masks his fundamental ignorance with incoherent indignance.
Here is why he cringes: It isn’t just white people who are disgusted when he dismisses Jose Carranza’s illegal status as “irrelevant.” Listen to the father of Newark murder victim Dashon Harvey:
“This is one that slipped through the cracks. He’s an illegal alien,” said outraged dad James Harvey, whose son Dashon was murdered last Saturday, along with Terrance Aeriel and Iofemi Hightower.
While 28-year-old day laborer Jose Lachira Carranza was behind bars yesterday, prosecutors arrested a third suspect, who is 15 years old, in Morristown, and charged him with felony murder.
Another 15-year-old has also been charged.
Harvey said that Carranza, the alleged ringleader, “should never have been out in the first place.”
“He’s got child abuse charges. He’s got a weapon. It’s an outrage to the justice system and the community that he’s out.”
So, is Mr. Harvey guilty of “inflammatory” rhetoric, too?
In order to distract from the issue at hand–criminal alien violence and the systemic failures of the deportation system–Geraldo has been forced to ratchet up his cringe-inducing hysteria and accuse immigration enforcement proponents of causing an imaginary epidemic of violence by the “KKK” and “neo-Nazis.”
Yes, his response to critics who point out that illegal aliens of colors with mile-long rap sheets are getting away with 100 percent preventable crimes–including the execution-style murders of three young black students in Newark–is to sputter about the KKK.
Shark-jump much?
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Hey now… You leave the Fonz outta this. He’s busy with a Tuskedero sandwich…
Love the ‘Fonz’ picture - how appropriate…
And that leads into my comment perfectly. I think that Geraldo truly has ‘jumped the shark’ regarding his repeated comments on this subject.
It’s evident in his rhetoric and body language when he’s confronted by a strong-minded debate by the likes of Michelle and others.
His eye-rolling and stand-offish mannerisms imply a grade-school indignity when he’s forced to listen to reason.
I’ve never been a huge fan of Geraldo - he’s always seemed more of a side-show attraction than a true newshound.
But his hard-headed reluctance to see all of these circumstances of illegal alien criminality as 100% preventable if we enforce our immigration laws, and his continuing attempts to make this a racial issue, make him even less authoritative on this subject than anyone would think.
This is an issue Geraldo should just stay away from, period.
I’m shocked Mr. Rivers still has the ability to make himself relevant. I guess it goes to show that the Jackson/Sharpton formula of race baiting and demonizing your critics can work for everyone.
When the argument is weak, the name calling is strong.
I’m surprised Geraldo still has a following. Virtually everything he has done has turned to crapola.
I cringe everytime I see Geraldo on FOX and immediately change the channel.
I refuse to listen to Geraldo for a nanosecond. He is a waste of my time and I would rather watch another channel. Are you listening, FOX? O’Reilly? I always watch FOX unless Geraldo Rivera’s face appears. FOX should check out how many viewers flee when he is on a show.
He is a sham journalist who is hysterical, inflammatory, and biased towards his own agenda. He often gets his facts wrong. I lost any shred of respect when he gave troop movements away in Iraq and had a melt down during his Katrina coverage. He is also a huge bore and blowhard.
He is the Jerry Springer version of journalism and has no credibility with the American public. He is a joke.
Really? I would have thought it was that whole “Al Capone’s Vault” thing.
The fact that he dismisses the illegal status as “irrelevant” shows just how out of touch he is.
You said it right yesterday Michelle, he just doesn’t get it.
I saw the segment this morning and boy he sure tried to make Michelle appear to be a one woman avenging angel with all of his characterization of her. He left no slur unused. Isn’t it Geraldo who yesterday tried to coin the word “immigrationist” linking it it to racist.
Geraldo said, “I was the only one to report Black on Black crime”.
HELLOOOOO….It wasnt a “black on black” crime.
I wish he had said, “I was the only one to report on this Illegal Alien crime”.
Im waiting for Geraldo (sarcasm on) to start a Hate Crime petition against Illegal Aliens.
ROFL
I just love when Michelle gives it to Geraldin-o. I can just see her smashing her keyboard like in the vent where she mocked the Edwards bloggers (I think that is right).
Hey Michelle, I wish you wouldn’t hold back - LOL. You were priceless on Fox when you called Geraldin-o out!
Can’t we just deport the grandstanding egomaniac to MSNBC, where he really belongs?
God that clip was hard to watch. “They want WAR with illegal aliens…they want physical violence…” I’m sorry Geraldo, what was that about inflammatory rhetoric?
Geraldin-o is as empty as Al Capone’s vault.
Why does Geraldo always bring up neo-Nazis; KKK; white supremacists,and the like in his tirades? Is he racist? He never mentions black militant groups or the Hispanic gangs and their philosophies and violence. He should at least be fair and balanced in his outrage.
Besides, what do they have to do with illegal aliens?
I’m just amazed that he fails to recognize the word “illegal” when used with the words alien or immigrant and wonders why there is outrage by the populace.
If they were not here illegally (because they are law abiding people) then they would not be here to commit the robberies, rapes and murders — not to mention sponging off tax payers with their free social services.
Oh how I wish Geraldo had found something in Al Capone’s safe…
#15 Yeah, Like a Clue….
Geraldo doesn’t recognize the difference between the concept of “immigrants” and “illegal immigrants”. He uses the race card for an argument when he has no other recourse - - like most liberals.
He is irritating and uninformed….I turn the station from Fox when he is on the air.
When is geraldo’s contract up with Fox? Seriously, he’s the worst one on there. I can tolerate Colmes (he’s comic relief) but Geraldo should have been shown the door at the start of the war for his giving away troop positions.
Remember his chair throwing incident at his “talkfest”?
I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again. Colmes seems to me like a good guy. I agree with very little of what he says, but he just seems to be a rational person with whom you could civily debate, and not have it devolve into a shouting match with insults and slurs all over the place.
His views and mine aren’t the same, but there are many, many things about which reasonable men might disagree.
Geraldo, on the other hand, seems like the sort to spit in your face the moment you prove him wrong or discredit a source he uses.
Good point, Lindsey! I do the same thing (always watch Fox, but change channels when Riviera is on). I’ll bet there are alot of us.
I did think Geraldo was talking straight when he said as a child his father cringed every time there was a crime that involved a Puerto Rican because of the shame it brought on the whole Puerto Rican community. However, by the same token he should not paint everyone who does not agree with his position on illegal immigrants as racists and try to shame them. Can’t have it both ways Geraldo.
I hope you don’t turn the channel when both Geraldo AND Michelle are on… That’s like walking out on Ali-Frazier before the first round bell…. HAH!
I’m so tired of this issue being so heavily politicized. I consider myself extremely liberal, yet I find myself agreeing with MM’s logic here, even if at times I cringe at the way she makes it seem like all illegal immigrants are violent criminals, when statistically they are actually far less likely to commit violent crimes than the general population, perhaps because they don’t want to draw legal scrutiny. But I digress…
Here are 2 perfectly rational, liberal, pro-immigrant arguments for securing the border:
1) It’s a humanitarian issue - by leaving the border open, it is a tacit invitation for people to put themselves in an extremely dangerous situation.
2) It’s unfair to people from countries that don’t share a border with the US who want to immigrate.
Then there’s the national security issue, but I think the Canadian border is of much greater concern in that regard, and is unfortunately much harder to police.
He has nothing to say on any of this anymore, why can’t he just fade away? Then again, he’s never really had much to say on anything, beyond troop positions…
I wonder if there’s such a thing as a cringe index?
Using past polls on illegal migration that would mean that if everyone watched about 30% of the audience would cringe when Michelle is on (we could care less about those loons) and a whopping 70% cringe when Geraldo spews.
Should be a no brainer who wins that rating contest.
Fox has to see what Whorealdo is doing when ever he is on any program…BOR, JGibson or who ever…people are switching him off. I personally had enough of him when he showed his true colors searching for the “tomb”…what a farce.
Does he become so racist and stupido for show and to be controversial or is that clown for real?
I just have ONE thing to say….”Al Capone’s Tomb”…Geraldo has been trying to dupe the American public for years…he started off as a shyster..then went off trying to be a reporter…that didn’t work out well…so he tried to be Jerry Springer II……he dropped out for a while sailing around the world…then he’s back as some sort of current events TV commentator…why the hell Fox hired him I’ll never know…he is another race baiting pimp…and I dearly love it when Michelle jams his little “minority act” up his rear!..no wonder he doesn’t want her on…he gets his clock cleaned…even when he’s screaming that anyone who wants to send back illegal aliens is a racist.
Geraldo is a typical Hispanic racist who is more loyal to la raza than to America and the rule of law. Hispanics often don’t seem to assimilate because of their strong loyalty to their race that prevents a primary loyalty to America, which is why we must end chamberpot migration and immigration, not to mention the jackpot baby program.
huggybear with reading comprehension issues wrote, “she makes it seem like all illegal immigrants are violent criminals,”
What can I say huggybear? The only thing I can ask is that you provide us the quote where MM said this. You CAN’T !
MM you’re so right on Q. I just skip past GR on Tivo. His reverse racism is just getting stale. I believe he personally feels threatened bcause of his heritage that the anti-illegal group are attacking some fiber of his being.
It all come down to Money. I have noted that Geraldo’s Foxnews program is easily preempted in Fox’s schedule. He could be going “Rosie” on us. The writing might be already “On the Wall” for his contract with Foxnews. He could be building the case that “Racist” “Right Wing” “Anti-Hispanic” “Rule of Law” nut cases force him out and ensure that he would be welcomed in the arms of MSM (with a higher salary).
I just wish that FOX would take him off because everytime he comes on I switch off even when Michelle debates him because he just turns my stomach. Geraldo Rivera is an absolute idiot on anything he talks about, he was before FOX and he will be after FOX. He is proof that even a loser gets another chance but unfortunately he is blowing his second chance. He is a true racist.
Michelle, I saw the segment this morning and it took all my inner strength to avoid throwing my new Stewart Weitzman at the screen. He was making you out to be a bigoted blow hard, and even went so far as to mis-represent “Invasion” to be a solely about how you favor interning the Japanese in WWII. He obviously never read the book, or if he has, then he’s a bigger diot than I thought (and I’ve thought him an idiot since the Al Capone Vault debacle.)
I just want you to know that I sent an email to the morning crew at Fox, expressing my ill favor toward them over Geraldo’s treatment of you.
I’m curious if you have any kind of numbers to back up that somewhat counterintuitive assertion.
As a retired police officer from the DC area who now lives in SC, I can tell you that the illegal immigrant issue is real and completely misprepresented by Geraldo. He is the racist, not MM and certainly not me or my friends. Our anger against Senator Graham is not going away. I predict here and now that Senator Graham will be DE-elected.
As for Geraldo, I agree, send him back to obscurity at MSNBC. O’reilly needs to hear this. We don’t watch when he bring Geraldo on.
Re: Just A Grunt #10
Michelle is a righteous avenging angel! That’s one of the reasons we love her.
I too wonder what Geraldo would say to those people living in countries which don’t have the good fortune to share a border with America. They have to jump through hoops and don’t have the luxury of just walking across. Anybody that is for the illegal immigration from the south is against immigration from other countries. Does he seriously think that thousands or millions of people in Asia or Europe would not love to have the advantage the Hispanics have?
Control all immigration, not just those walking in.
/or and fire Johnny Sutton
I’ve disliked Geraldo since he was on WABC Eyewitness News in the ’70s. I cringed when he joined Fox News. That was the beginning of the tabloid direction Fox has taken, continuing with Greta van Susteren and the 24/7 coverage of missing white women. I have totally given up on their prime time lineup (sorry, Michelle). I may also have to give up the morning show if they don’t get rid of that pinhead Gretchen, but that’s another story.
But also James, the operative word here is preventable. Doesn’t matter what the statistics are. I don’t care if its one murder or rape a year by an illegal, it’s that its preventable that makes our lackadaisical border enforcement so senseless.
You rock Michelle!
I have to go with you there, dobbelganglander…I’m even kinda getting sick of Hannity and
BevisColmes these days.“when statistically they are actually far less likely to commit violent crimes than the general population,”
So - just because they don’t kill, rape, rob or assault people in great numbers we should open up our borders and say, “c’mon in” and ignore that they broke our laws to begin with when they stepped across our sovereign boundaries?
That’s ridiculous.
I’m a law abiding citizen - does that mean the the UK, France, Italy or whomever should let me stay if I illegally enter their country?
Hogwash.
- Then how does that square with the fact that illegals make up such a disproportionate percentage of inmates in Federal and certain state prisons?
As for Rivera trying to imply that Michelle is some sort of nativist/racist for wanting our borders and our laws to actually mean something, that’s the oldest trick in the lib playbook: when losing an argument, try to change the subject to whether the other person is a racist/sexist/bigot/homophobe. How tiresome.
Common MM, Play fair. You know Jerry doesn’t have the ability to respond on the web. His head is as empty as Capone’s vault. I mean seriously, did you ever hear him trying out on the radio? 97.1 in Los Angeles. It was a true train wreck. I’d rather listen to Obamination and Sen. Life Guard signing in Espanole!!!
singing. Sorry
All Fonzie Rivera can do is call MM Nazi and racist. That’s the best he can do, he looses the factual argument every single time. MM nails him to the wall with facts about illegal aliens time after time. I’m a brown Hispanic, and I’m for enforcing our nations laws.
Clear the damn backlogs, first!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don’t know John, I think I’d rather listen to him SIGN, which is of course a reference to “speaking in sign language.”
His radio tryout might have gone better had they signed their show rather than speak. I would definitely be more likely to listen to a radio show where Senor Rivera used sign language than one where he spoke English.
Nice Capone reference, by the way. I’ll never forget the look on his face when it was empty.
Interesting how people latch on to my digression as the only point to my comment, when I’m actually agreeing with the conservative point here, if for ostensably liberal reasons.
Anyway, I’m willing to concede on my point about illegal immigrants and violent crime, inasmuch as what I’ve said is little more than heresay; I find it hard to believe there are no scientific studies on this matter, yet all I’m able to find are highly biased reports from either side of the debate, and none of them cite any actual statistics. Go figure.
THE QUOTE OF THE MONTH!!!!!!!! Conservative Commentators listen up!
LOL Kevin.
How much do you want to bet this guy is illegal as well? The NY Post won’t write it and neither di they report about the Newark case either.
forgot the link
http://www.nypost.com/seven/08172007/news/regionalnews/pickup_kills__bike_girl__13_regionalnews_perry_chiaramonte_and_eric_lenkowitz.htm
This story is going on at inside cable news also.
http://insidecable.blogsome.com/2007/08/17/rivera-vs-malkin/
It takes a lawyer to make common sense sound unreasonable. My Opinion.
his race/ethnic-card-playing schtick.
Exactly, and even more than we know of because so many muni’s use the “dont ask dont tell” policy so they don’t have any idea how many incarcerated are here illegally.
nitwit.
Geraldo is a typical Hispanic racist who is more loyal to la raza than to America and the rule of law.
BINGO. I’ve been trying not to go there, but with all the Mexican flags, la raza, MeCHa , etc, it seems as if Geraldo is also quite a racist, and a vocal racist with national TV exposure.
He’s an empty human. No morals, no honor, no conscience. Just a despicable racist card playing cry baby.
Sit on it.
huggybear, saying, ““she makes it seem like all illegal immigrants are violent criminals,”“…
… is quite the digression…
It is quite the liberal pattern to make stuff up about conservatives. It happens on every subject. If you think we don’t a) care about the environment b) are for the rich and against the poor c) are against the elderly d) a host of other things that aren’t true…
It could be due to the pattern of thinking that has been engrained through years of brainwashing. While us rank and file aren’t perfect in our discussions either - my point is that I changed from liberal to conservative after visiting the library 3 times a week in the year 1991 and realizing that the Democrats do NOT have a basic understanding of economics - do not study history and what results would happen if implementing their policies and twist what our intentions are to be something mean and negative…
If you come at it as if MM is mean and negative you’ll try to make points that are irrelevant or aren’t true.
The federal prison population is 25% illegal immigrants. The nation doesn’t have 25% illegal immigrant population. That doesn’t account for state prison populations which could be a lower percentage.
The point is that if we enforced our laws it’d be less likely that these illegal immigrants would be killing/hurting us in these countless stories that MM posts.
Nowhere did MM say the word “all”. And nowhere did MM say that there isn’t Americans on the road who are drunk and don’t have a license.
LOL! When anyone I’m discussing immigration with tries to pull that racist crap with me I tell them to ask my brown-skinned wife and brown-skinned son (who’s overseas fighting jihadists) if they think I’m a racist. The resulting silence or sputtering is priceless. BTW, they don’t want to talk to my wife anyway since she I’m a bleeding-heart liberal compared to her.
This issue gets better and better.
Census Bureau Asks That Immigration Raids Halt for 2010 Count
Geraldo never found Al Capones’ Vault and since then, he has been snorting his coffee instead of drinking it.
I can come up with no other reasons for his…er…uh…er…inanities.
A message for the supreme intellect who runs this fine literary site…
The next time you are suffering this fool, drop this little bomb on him:
“I understand you were embedded with the troops during the initial run into Iraq. I was over there a few months ago. So tell me Geraldo, do you still like to blow operational security during an ongoing combat mission? You are way ahead of me on that score!”
Then tie him to a boat, stick his head under water and watch him sputter like an outboard motor.
Michelle,
I printed this out for my best friend. Her eyes got wide and she said ” I would not want to get on that woman’s bad side”. I so agree.
Jimmy
Are Pony and Gerry Relevant?
Okay, okay. John Edwards is not being exposed by the America killing MSM band of cowards.
Okay, okay. Gerry Rivers is a putz and still gets paid to “report” and narrate on MSM outlets.
But what is the payoff of spending time, breath, and bandwidth articulating and re-articulating these no-brainers?
Exactly how does this exercise in satire, sarcasm, rhetoric, and ridicule contribute TODAY to our survival as a Nation?
I don’t fault those who do it. I do it too. But today, I feel differently about this whole rigged game of fighting for our Country.
Look-
I have a very deep resentment against Mexicans swarming our borders. Politically I am willing to
organize to stop it and to work on the local level (our school) to interrupt the enabling jiberals from balkanizing my community.
Last nite though I connected some dots for myself about the Mexican deluge problem- in the larger context of the current Islamic overrun of Europe and Russian federation states, and the declining populations of non-Muslim countries around the world.
And when the light went on in the top floor of my brain cavity, Geraldo and Edwards were not even a whisper
of a thought.
Indulge me, please. And don’t flame me for going soft on illegal aliens and our pussy-footed lawmakers.
My political will, mind and heart remain firm in my resentment against this travesty. But illegal immigration
cuts two ways.
I am trying to make sense of the larger picture.
So here goes.
1.Cheap labor. Blah blah blah. The not-so-unspoken
perc for the US business community.
2.Credit seekers. Banks are falling all over themselves
loaning money on homes to illegals.
California foreclosures are the tip of the national iceberg. All lenders are trying to cash in on the flood of illegals, their landlords, and their desire to own something of value.
3.Federal Government, the Democrats and the Welfare lobby.
Welfare means more than WIC and aid to dependent kids, grannies,
and poor folk. It means Medicare, Medicaid, SSI, and a host of
income payments and retirement benefits- Social Security among them. There aren’t enough young bodies to pay for all this crap that Baby Boomers are going to cash in on en masse over the next 20 years. We need babies and workers FAST to pay for it.
4.National Security. The Muslim birth rates have overtaken Europe,are threatening Canada, and are poised to explode here in the States.
Enter 60 million Mexicans. Catholic, Protestant Christians, and prolific
breeders.
Illegal immigration cuts two ways
Connect the dots.
Yes, I am reading Mark Steyn’s “America Alone”.
Cant you tell? So far I haven’t read any of this per se- I am on page 43-
but it appears there is motive #4 for allowing the swarm of illegals to continue unabated, while betting we can manage the whirlwind we are already reaping from it.
Gerry Rivers and John Edwards, plus the rest of the Left’s Monkey Machine
are irrelevant.
I get why they must be exposed and shredded. But do we really have
to keep asking why the MSM props these morons?
They prop Edwards
and the rest of these dolts because like the MSM they are not talking about
the real problem- we’re losing ground to the Islamic demographic tsunami
and it is almost too late.
But are the Republicans? The independents? The Ingrahams, Limbaughs, Hannity’s et al? I know Savage has partially connected these dots. And there is much truth telling by MM here.
However, I haven’t heard anything in my listening or reading radius that even remotely presents this 2 edged sword of illegal immigration from Mexico.
Steyn has addressed the simple demographic shift that has been raging for at least 2 decades and gave us a wake up call on 9/11.
Simple answer: The MSM is whistling past an American graveyard.
Many of us here are awake. But many of us are saying “Oh, it’s not *all Muslims*.”
It doesn’t have to be.
Why must we dilute our energies by re-stating ad nauseum how the rest of “America”(in name only) is not awake?
I don’t give a hoot if somebody thinks this is just some kind of paranoia or “conspiracy” theory.
Look up the word conspire to see what it really means. Forget about the legal smoking gun crap.
Lincoln said that if the People are told the truth the Nation would be saved.
Are any of the candidates doing that?
And I am not talking fractalized or pixelized “debating” truthies.
I mean telling the American people what time it is, and we better get on with the gory business of preserving this Nation.
And I will leave you with a question, in the vein of the best defense is a good offense:
“How does the prolifically breeding Muslim population of the world feed itself?”
Drawbridge up. Let the Horse stay out on the plain with Gerry and Pony Boy Edwards.
And for the Muslism who were born here or are immigrants here- it is time to prepare for deportation if you are unprepared to turn out the jihadists who move freely in your MIDST because you ARE inside our gates.
I thought it was because you took his TV show spot. No one watches Geraldo, nor cares what he says about anything. There is enough evidence to know that what he has said on the record about a variety of subjects has proved untrue.
I think that he proved the points you made above.
I go into one of the largest state prison facilities, on a fairly regular basis, in California. It is awash in violent Mexicans. Did they all commit homicide- no. They are in for armed robbery (violent crime), gun running (violent crime), narco-trafficking (involves periodic violent crime).
The California prisons are brimming to capacity because any surplus bed space is being filled by Mexican nationals incarcerated for violent crimes.
Let’s not split hairs over what is violent and non-violent. All drug traffickers of scale are involved with weapons of adequate destruction and carry the intent to kill should their trade be threatened (this goes for all up and down the chain of command).
Btw, violating immigration laws makes just about anything else a Mexican does here- even the simplest thing, say such as driving- illegal. It is a lie. A lie built upon a lie. Their own and our politicians. It is still a lie
Part one of Gerald’s famous Superdome meltdown,
“When night falls this place is gonna blow.”
“Dante’s inferno”
“30,000 people with dead babies inside.Not hype, that’s fact.” Did he see a dead baby? No. Did he report any tale he heard? Yes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPDD-hH-DvE&mode=related&search=
This tells the media hysteria that Geraldo specializes in (he wasn’t the only one):
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/opinion/columnists/guests/s_456464.html
Here are the actual facts, Geraldo:
the National Guard did amazing work in New Orleans. From the Superdome, the Guard managed some 2,500 troops, a dozen emergency shelters, more than 200 boats, 150 helicopters (which flew more than 10,000 sorties moving 88,181 passengers, 18,834 tons of cargo, and saved 17,411 survivors), and an enormous MASH operation that, among other things, delivered seven babies.
Here is another link on Katrina myths which details the 4 dead at ths Superdome:
When the Superdome was finally cleared, six bodies were found–not the 200 speculated. Four people had died of natural causes; one was ruled a suicide, and another a drug overdose. Of the four bodies recovered at the convention center, three had died of natural causes; the fourth had sustained stab wounds.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/earth/2315076.html?page=7
As Geraldo reports on myths and innuendo, why would anyone believe him about illegal immigration facts?
The only people who watch him are probably illegal immigrants.
I need some help. Logging in to this blog is a nightmare for me. The login page is non-responsive and keeps sending me to the profile page. Then, suddenly, after 10 tries i get logged in.
Also, the last two messages i’ve posted have made it. The first two (one was a repeat) did not?
Need the “help” link. Por favor.
You are absolutely too much Michelle. Spot on with your reasoning. Geraldo is as much as goon as one can be and in that arena you can call a spade a spade. Kudos to you Michelle. If all goes well maybe FOX will lett him slide down slowly.
#17 Lindsay said:
I second that one! How’s about the time he knelt in the sand and started drawing a rough schematic of unit emplacements… (while embedded and on the attack) dumb@$$ isn’t worth the time of day.
#62 bear1909 said:
AND
Not following you here, dude. What’re you trying to say, that they shouldn’t be incarcerated? Or just not here…
Reason our prisons are full of them is their government won’t imprison them, and ours provides much better care - many of the Mexican nationals you see “inside” are better off there than they would be in their own country.
Not that that makes it right…
BUILD THE DAMNED FENCE!!
I think if you look at what i said and stayed away from conjecture about what i am trying to say, you would get it.
The prisons are brimming over because Mexican nationals are filling the would-be surplus beds. They are being prosecuted and jailed in the USA because they are committing violent crimes on a significant scale.
THAT point addresses Huggybear’s statement about Mexican’s here illegally not being any more likely *statistically* to commit a violent crime than any other bloke on the street.
Not true. And the disproportionate *PRISON* population of Mexican nationals doing hard time for violent crimes bears this out.
Second, if a Mexican national is here illegally then just about everything else they try to do here to work, buy a house, or operate a motor vehicle, is going to be illegally done as well.
So we are seeing forged identity papers, fraudulent SS cards, etc etc etc.
Crime builds upon crime.
And the US political elite have a hand in that too.
A fence, while a good idea, fences the problem in as well- the politicians who are playing both sides remain with us to undermind any effort to fence illegal border crossers out.
Can you deny that?
Are Pony and Gerry Relevant?
Okay, okay. John Edwards is not being exposed
by the America killing MSM band of cowards.
Okay, okay. Gerry Rivers is a putz and still gets
paid to “report” and narrate on MSM outlets.
But what is the point of spending time, breath, and
bandwidth articulating and re-articulating these no-
brainers?
Look-
I have a very deep resentment against Mexicans
swarming our borders. Politically I am willing to
organize to stop it and to work on the local level
(our school) to interrupt the enabling jiberals from
balkanizing my community.
Last nite though I connected some dots about the
Mexican deluge problem- in the larger context of the current Islamic
overrun of Europe and Russian federation states, and
the declining populations of non-Muslim countries
around the world.
And when the light went on in the top floor of my brain
cavity, Geraldo and Edwards were not even a whisper
of a thought. (end part 1)
And vice-versa, my friend. That blade cuts both ways.
I never called MM a liar, mean, or negative. The point I insinuated was that everytime she brings to light an illegal immigrant who is guilty of anything greater than a traffic violation, it leads the reader to the conclusion that this is par for the course. All I’m asking is - what’s the big picture? Are there statistics to back up the impression she’s giving? I had thought the numbers contradicted her, but I could be wrong; as far as I can see, the jury’s still out on that one, unless someone can provide a scientific study that proves it one way or the other.
It’s no secret to anyone here that she’s vehemently opposed to illegal immigration [a belief which I happen to share], so for someone such as myself - who tries my best to never blindly accept any information without questioning what motivates the person providing it - she would make a much stronger case if she provided actual numbers rather than a case here and a case there. If the data exists and it supports her theory, this shouldn’t be such a hard thing to do, nor is it too much to ask.
And I acknowledge my own fallability here. I was willing to accept reports about illegal immigrants commiting fewer crimes than the general population without giving them much question, simply because the explanation provided made sense to me. But as others have pointed out, that seems absurd to them. But don’t fool yourselves - your beliefs on this matter are in part based on your own prejudices, as are mine. That’s not a judgment on anyone, that’s just an inherent part of being human.
huggybear,
The big picture, you are talking statistics but if you are the victim of a crime, that wouldn’t physically be possible if the perpetrator wasn’t physically present…honestly what difference do the statistics mean? This is what always happens, people argue percentages. America values the “Individual” so every human being’s life is valuable, not to be reduced down or equated to a crime statistic.
I wish I had been home yesterday, Received a call from Mary Bono’s office in DC, message said she supported my views on immigration. The last letter I remember sending her was regarding the “dream act” Tried to call back 202-226-9928 message said “US Capital non-working number” bummer, I’ll try again Monday. Now if Feinstein and Boxer would get it together we may get somewhere in California, but I’m not holding my breath.
and by the way Bear, I think I have also made it to the “Do not respond list for Boxer” but who knows, they sometimes are a tad slow.
I agree, and this is a perfectly valid point - these are in theory preventable crimes, and even one is too many. I understand that. But people keep glossing over the fact that I AGREE WITH YOU ON THIS ISSUE, latching onto my professed liberalism while completely discarding the rest of what I have to say, then without a shred of irony telling me how liberals like to “make stuff up” about conservatives.
I’m just trying to hold up a mirror here. People should never be afraid to challenge their own beliefs [Why do you think I read this blog everyday rather than Kos?]. This may be discomforting at times, but it is well worth the effort.
Huggybear-
What has kept you from combing the Department of Corrections databases to find the answers to your unasked questions?
I am a California taxpayer who goes into California prisons that are brimming to overcapacity because the surplus has been filled by Mexican Nationals.
Mexican Nationals committing violent crimes in the USA and being released and being incarcerated is a fact. It isn’t MM’s responsibility to come up with the magic stat to validate her reporting of what illegals are doing here as it pertains to violent crimes.
To the dingbat who might believe that *all* illegals are violent criminals, quantifying the sitch with “scientific” studies isn’t going to change their bigoted way of thinking. *THAT* is a jiberal preoccupation which is similar to the “not all Muslims” deflection that is *Killing* us.
And finally- a prejudice is a PREJUDGEMENT that can be POSITIVE or NEGATIVE.
Example: I have taught positive prejudice to my kids for 28 years: DONT talk to strangers or accept anything from them. They have been taught to pre-judge strangers as being potentially harmful to their safety.
It teaches them that they can’t trust everybody with good reason. And I don’t use stats when I teach this message in schools. Of course, there is more than is taught to support that lesson…..but it is a pre-judgement/prejudice that is positive.
I am not speaking from a set of beliefs: I am speaking from experience and a set of values that give priority to keeping children alive- mentally, spiritually, and physically. I actually know parents who tell their kids: “Make sure you determine whether it is safe for you to talk to the stranger first before you accept anything from them.” Because they dont want their kids to “ASSUME” anything about somebody who might be decent. ERRRRNT! Tell that to the kid when it is bound and gagged in a van. And there are thousands of kids disappearing because of this kind of “I odont want to teach my kids to be prejudiced.”
Enforcing the laws against illegals reduces the probability of having crimes being committed by the recent immigrant population from Mexico where life in narchotrafficking “culture” is the norm- you can rape kids, get drunk and drive like a murdering fool *with impunity*. Are we willing to gamble our security in everyday scenarios such as driving to the grocery store or taking a road trip?
Do we need stats to name that as a problem?
Liberals *always* reduce reality to relativistic terms such as, “You believe what you want to believe and I will believe in what I want to believe.”
Why not stick to the reality of asking and finding answers to questions such as “Why are US law enforcement officials tolerating Mexican violent crime and accepting the cost for incarcerating them at 30K Plus a year?”
MM is doing that. What responsibility does she have to make sure some crackpot doesn’t get the wrong idea? Let the liberals lay out all that schlock and waste their own bandwidth.
The beliefs of individual Americans have nothing to do with the answers.
Are you willing to search for that answer and stay out of relativistic conundrums?
Just asking.
What do you think I’m doing here?
Here’s a stat that I just dug up:
There’s a 100% chance that 3 young adults from Newark would not have been shot in the back of the head and killed last week by Jose Carranza had he been deported following his initial arrests and not been allowed to re-enter the country.
I agree with Geraldo that Carranzas’ immigration status is irrelevant.
The problem is with our judicial system that allows for the release (on bail) of someone charged with such a heinous crime. I am sure there has been a born and bred American citizen that has been charged with a heinous crime that has been released on bail, only to perform an equally heinous crime.
The judicial system is flawed and needs to be fixed. That fix would include, but not be limited to, holding all illegal immigrants, for any crime. Our judicial system allowed a woman to serve just 67 days after killing her husband. Our judicial system allows prosecutorial misconduct and inconsistent sentences to go unaddressed.
Pres Bush has already said, no catch and release. It is time we do it and give local law enforcement the support and tools to do so.
Carranzas immigration status is irrelevant, what is not irrelevant is how our judicial system operates.
It ain’t the immigration status, it’s the judicial system.
Anybody out there got a link to viewer ratings during his time slot?
Michelle Malkin:
“It’s because the mere existence of conservative-thinking minorities who reject his tired old brand of identity politics threatens his race/ethnic-card-playing schtick. He can no longer dismiss all immigration enforcement proponents as racists”
Yes! And as I’ve been saying for awhile, why you’re one of the left’s worst nightmares when you add the fact that you’re a (sorry to have to add it, but this is television, after all) very attractive woman. There’s no PC way for the left to go after you, really, except on this issue, and even then it’s only Geraldo (aka Jerry Rivers), who, while he did some truly harrowing work in Iraq, has essentially spent his credibility on this issue with absurdly inellectually dishonest arguements.
I do have a bone to pick with Fox’s programming, however (and I’ve been in the biz for a good long while so I think I can speak on this): I’m getting a little tired of Fox putting you on first and then getting Geraldo to respond, as though you’re the one who is somehow off base and they want to hear what he says, also giving him, in debating perspective, the last word (until the next round). If Fox wants to be truly, mathematically fair and balanced, it’s high time they put Geraldo up first and let you respond, which seems more sensible, since in my mind he’s the one making outrageous comments to which you should be allowed to respond more often, not the other way around, which seems more often the case.
You are “holding up the mirror” as you say. That is different from doing your homework, hence my reference to the Department of Corrections data and statistics.
And raising the liberal argument about statistical significance relative to the “general population”, is not looking for answers at all. It is the typical tossing of the gauntlet on the ground where anybody who speaks up about what they see happening *more and more* is supposed to have the statistical proof before a problem can even be *NOTICED* without the lecture on how what we believe is influencing what we see.
This happens time and time again and is followed with “All I am doing is….”.
Total malarky.
How can you agree that it is irrelevant and then argue part of the fix is no catch and release.
Gimme a break.
His immigration status is irrelevant as a predictor of his commission of the crime. But beyond that, in this instance it is highly relevant to *HOW* the judicial system is dysfunctional from the bench, from the prosecutorial arena, and from the defense counsel’s arena.
Mr. Conservative_Cat nails it again. Gerry Rivers is a con-artist provocateur who brings the Other Jerry element to “news”.
Fox needs to examine its minority shareholder connections and how these influence the positioning of messengers on the tube who have a dissenting opinion about the jihadist’s best friend- OPEN BORDERS.
geraldo is a troll and living proof that people can espose racists beliefs without being held to the same standards that conservatives are held too.
Don’t feed the troll….!
Ironically, it is America’s best friend too when it comes to the demographics of Islam.
Some say there are 11-12 million illegal mexican touristas here. Savage says it’s more like 20. Add on the relatives who will come in time and maybe we are looking at 30-50 million over the next 20 years.
They will outbreed the Islamists in our midst and around the world.
They tend to be Catholic with an escalating trend to Protestant Christian
Could be something to this, no?
I’m reading Mark Steyn’s “America Alone” and I am connecting the dots.
zyzzyg,
Geraldo is wrong it is relevant.
I live in Texas and I hear on a regular basis how our Courts are over flowing- strained, ajudicating illegal aliens for a variety of crimes. Who pays for the Court cost and if found guilty, Jail or Prison time spent in Texas, The American Taxpayer. I pay taxes, that is relevant to me. I don’t believe we have a criminal shortage in America, that requiers us importing more.
Bear, you need to read this scary story about Hispanics becoming Muslim at alarming rates:
http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0928/p03s02-ussc.html
I don’t know how widespread this conversion from Christianity is, but it is a scary thought. Also, prison populations have growing numbers of Muslims.
And this one:
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2006/8/22/155649.shtml
Also note that Muslims practice polygamy which is why their numbers are growing in the UK.
If illegals would assimilate this might not be the story today as we would welcome un-hypenated Americans who desire to obey the laws. Coming here legally would be a start. I figure if their loyalty is with Mexico I don’t look for them standing up to radical Islam if we needed them to. But that is just my theory.
I’m wondering if part of Fox News’s philosophy on “Fair and Balanced” is to include at least one opposite of smart people like Brit, Neil, Shep, and John Gibson to make it truly fair and balanced. If so, they should offer someone with a few more active brain cells. I, for one, want to contact them in this regard, which is why I ask:
Anybody out there got a link to viewer ratings during his time slot?
Lindsay-
Interesting perspective coming from the Islamic organizations pumping their “success”. The part about the clinic in south Central LA serving illegals provides an opportunity for ICE to shut it down and deport the people who are on file as patients. But that is wishful thinking on my part.
If we had an immigration enforcement policy, Muslim organizations wouldn’t be able to exploit this politicized population of illegals to our detriment.
Thanks for the tip.
There was alarm in the 80s and 90s about Mexicans converting to Protestant Christian denominations- it stabilized.
This will too once the US wakes up and starts putting the heat on Muslim organizations and their brand of Jihadi “Lite”.
Leepro-
Somebody provided one on a thread concerning MM on a Friday Factor…around 3 fridays ago….might check the archive…good luck!
leepro,
Try cablenewser the latest numbers out is for August 15th.
http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/
Lindsay-
I forgot to qualify my statement that the conversion to Christian Protestant denominations had stabilized but it is still growing due to “divorce” rules.
Yep. The number of homes watching is 1 (his family is watching). That makes his ratings incalculable.
Right on Michelle. I was shocked when Fox hired this fool, and he is such a self-impressed moron, I can’t stand to watch. Fox should know I change the channel when Gerry Rivers show comes on.
I still watch Fox when Jerry is on ,only to see him get intellectually b****-slapped repeatly by Michelle.That clown was a somewhat interesting big mouthed a**hole for about fifteen minutes,thirty years ago.After those fifteen minutes,he stopped being interesting.Rivera takes a beating from MM,because it’s the only way he can get viewers,just like Silky can only raise funds by getting beat-up by Ann.
Personally I would cringe knowing I had to try to have an intellegent debate with Michelle,because She would make me look like an idiot like she does to Rivera every time he opens his mouth.
It truly is time for Fox to make some changes in regard to its on air personalities.Suggestions:drop Colmes,he is an embarrasment:Hannity would be better on his own.Drop Greta-does anyone watch her?Get rid of that moron who keeps getting in the way on the Jane Skinner Show.Most importantly get Michelle and Kirsten on the air daily,so we can hear intellegent discussions of current events,instead of the mindless drivel we get from morons like Geraldo ,Alan and Shemp,I mean Shep.
Want some ratings? Let’s add some music and a dance number like America from West Side Story. Geraldo can sing Bernardo’s “I think I’l go back to San Juan.” Michelle can give Anita’s comeback, “I know what boat you can get on.” And the chorus comes in “Bye Bye”.
bear1909 and Laree:
I was hoping to find ratings info during Geraldo’s time slot. Apparently, he’s so insignificant , there isn’t any!
Thanks anyway!
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Lindasy ^^^ beat me to it. Except “‘immediately” is a bit slow. Fox is getting more and more difficult to watch. Geraldo lost me waaaay back there when he said, to Malkin I believe but I’m not positive, that Mexicans were “lured” here by our relaxed border policy and the availability of jobs. Nothing at all about the “push” of corrupt [M.] government, ridiculous [M.] economic policy that discourages foreign investment, and … etc. Of course our neighbors, lovely people all, have the dreadful gringos to blame for all their ills, thus the adage, “Poor Mexico; so far from God, so near the U.S.”
I love Mexico. Would consider living there, were I able to bequeath my house and if it didn’t have to be repurchased all over again in 60 years.
Blues, I stopped watching Greta ever since it turned into “ON the Milk Carton.”
Just got back from dinner ,and clicked onto Hot Air.Imagine my shock at seeing Silky whining about Ann.He must be trying to raise funds for another $1200.00 hair cut.
leepro,
You might have to email someone, I know when I email Spud at insidecablenews.com he will get back to me, if he knows the answer, he shares.
The last time I checked the Rivera vs Malkin blog, on insidecablenews.com the comments were all lined up on Michelle’s side, it is difficult for average people, to argue with common sense. I think you need a law degree to twist this issue into something more complicated then it is.
Laree
The thing of it is, if Glenn Beck talked trash this way about Lou Dobbs, how much longer would Beck still be employed by CNN? Tucker Carlson got booted off CNN for far less. Heck, even Laurence “Creepy Liar” O’Donnell got put on temporary sabbatical by MSNBC after the way he went off on John O’Neill.
Isn’t Geraldo worthy of the same treatment?
drillanwr,
No one else has said it so it seems someone should: if that was your artwork of Jerry Rivers, you did a solid, professional-league caricature of the man, which is quite an accomplishment, because it tends to be tough to do a caricature of a caricature.
In terms of the Fox line-up, one gets the vague impression that well-meaning suits in ivory towers (I’ve known many and they aren’t necessarily bad people even if you need binoculars to see the wet bar on the other side of the office) have decided that they are going to make the same mistake countless conservative candidates made when dealing with liberals: they are going to prove to liberals that they’re fair by putting more liberal voices on air. What they fail to understand besides the folly of alienating their core demographic is that liberals don’t care if you put more liberals on - once you’re a bad guy, you’re a bad guy to them forever. Logic, rational numbers - nothing matters to them except feelings, melodrama and the pursuit of some abstract, undefined manifestation of victory. Having Jerry Rivers around in his current incarnation - that of illegal alien murderer apologist, makes no more sense than having Mike B did to give this website “diversity”, with one caveat - Geraldo is so uttery and totally biased toward his ethnic brethren and prejudiced against anyone who questions that blind loyalty that he does a good job, being a recognizable name, of illustrating just how off-the-wall and irresponsible some people with power to sway millions can be.
Here is the new Fox lineup via the Conservative Cat programming department, all times eastern:
6PM: Britt’s show, badly needs updated CGI title graphics, but more in the current style, and less in the style of the programs which follow it, which are all beginning to look too similar to each other. A weekly segment on Fridays added: a single segment recapping the political world with Newt Gingrich and Jerry Brown - both quiet speakers who don’t interrupt each other, on opposite sides of the spectrum but not afraid to buck their party’s talking points. In other words, an intellectually honest political discussion (though Newt would clean Brown’s clock regularly, at least it would be a nice, civil cleaning)
7:00 PM Shep’s newscast just as it is. Not broken, don’t fix it.
8:00 PM: O’Reilly Factor - drop the embarrasingly ridiculous body language segment (”well, his brow was wrinkled and the sides of hios mouth turned down, and that tells me that he wasn’t happy” - no kidding), and ease up on the beautiful women a bit. Everyone likes a pretty face, but it’s beginning to look like he’s broadcasting from the Playboy Mansion, and that hurts the serious news aspects of his show.
9:00 H&C. Honestly, there should be something like a boxing ring bell every time one person interrupts another. No longer my cup of tea but the show is what it is, and it’s tough to improve it without replacing it because the flaws of the show are built irrevocably into the construction. Beginning to look anemic, I doubt it will last another 4 years, but this programming list won’t replace it just yet.
10:00 PM Michelle Malkin Now. No, Kirsten Powers should not be her version of Colms - Michelle handles the show on her own quite well enough. Nightly segments include immigration and political hypocracy, but we already know that. Greta get’s Geraldo’s sat spot and he moves on to monthly hour specials where he can feel important while taking up less time on the stage. Or perhaps Greta could do something in the late morning to mid-afternoon, where her middle to slightly left, female perspective and sensationalistic ambulance-chasing story topics would play very well with the daytime TV crowd. She’s good at what she does, but playing at the wrong hour. The Cat predicts that putting her up against the View would yield extremely surprising ratings numbers as counter-programming: same topics only presented in a format opposite of the View for people who like the subjects but hate the View, and will continue to hate the show now that Whoopie “Rosie Light” Goldberg is on board.
2:00 AM: Red Eye goes away. Nice people, meaningless show which would have played well in 1985, but the too-loose, ultra aren’t-we-stupid shtick is just plain old now. Interesting, creative general concept, terrible execution.
Weekend: Half-Hour News Hour is halfway there. A couple of extra writers with a fresher style and a budget increase of 10 - 20 percent (alot I know but the cheapness is evident)puts this one solidly on the map and drives liberals insane.
Want a Fox lineup that’ll bring you back to the TV? That, generally speaking, would be my initial response.
When I watch Kirsten on the Factor, she looks like she just got called to the Principal’s office. I mean yes, please sit up straight but she doesn’t look comfortable.
Is it me or have the Democrats on Fox News, look like they all woke up last week. I wondered if they didn’t get a memo from either Fox News or the DNC. I know Alan Colmes, was on vacation, his fill ins seemed I don’t know the right word “Alert” and leaning forward. Even Greta!
“Jerry Rivers”!
Bear 1909 &
Because two people who commit the same crime will, or can, be released on bail. One is an illegal immigrant and one is not. You and I would not release the illegal immigrant, (we hold, prosecute and deport upon release) yet it is the judicial system that allows it. Who is at fault?
Agreed. When an illegal immigrant enters our court system, it is up to the court system to properly deal with the situation. And, that means holding for prosecution, or deportation.
Listen, there have been born and bred American citizens who have been released on bail that have gone on to commit further crimes. It wasn’t the first time and it won’t be the last.
One more time, it is the court system that screwed this up. The court system doesn’t take holding illegal immigrants seriously because the Federal Government only gives it a wink and nod.
How much would you set bail for a mass murderer? Would you release a mass murderer on their own recognizance? If the court does it, then who is at fault if the mass murderer goes own to kill some more?
If that man had been deported in 1993, or caught at the border before he got in in the first place, those people would be alive today. Period. Immigration enforcement would have saved them from a murderer who shouldn’t have ever been in America, or at the least deported out of here 15 years ago.
Now that he’s done what he’s done, I hope he gets to meet an American icon, Ol’ Sparky. I’ll even let him have my copy of Ride the Lightning!
For Whom the Bell Tolls
Also, Geraldo is a human approximation of a jacka$$.
MM-3
GR-0
What Geraldo Rivera means to me is an instantaneous channel change. The man is a joke to everyone but the brain trust at Fox News.
Fox has been sliding downhill for some time now. The “Hannity & Colmes Show” turned into the “Allen Colmes Hour” several months ago. And Hannity’s not exactly a genius when he does show up on his own program.
Both Glenn Beck (CNN) and H&C had a feature on Don Imus and immediately opened with interviews with Al Sharpton. WTF? I immediately changed channels. If the “conservative” shows insist on validating and promoting nitwits and con artists like Rivera and Sharpton I’m going to insist on no longer watching their programs.
I used to hear alot of jokes about the Lone Ranger and Tonto.
The punch-line was always Tonto saying to the Lone Ranger “Where do you get this ‘we-sh*t’ pale-face?”
Michelle is darker than Fonzie.
I think she should refer to him as
“pale-face”.
It’s just a thought.
Go Michelle Go