No more sanctuary for Elvira Arellano? Update: Deported back to Mexico Update: Arellano supporters push Obama to sponsor humanitarian visa; new illegal alien protest planned in D.C

By Michelle Malkin  •  August 19, 2007 08:44 PM

Update 11:15pm Eastern 8/20. The open-borders movement carries on. Planning for a new massive, pro-amnesty demonstration in Washington on Sept. 12 is underway–and Arellano’s supporters are pushing Sen. Barack Obama to sponsor a private bill to give a humanitarian visa to the deportation evader:

In Chicago this morning, more than 50 Arellano supporters demonstrated outside immigration offices at 536 S. Clark St., carrying signs reading “Stop the Raids” and “Stop Enforcing Racist Laws.”

Via speakerphone, Chicago activist Emma Lozano, who was with Arellano in Los Angeles, spoke to the demonstrators.

“Her spirits are high,” Lozano told the crowd, adding that federal officials sought “to silence her and clip her wings.”

Planning continued for a major demonstration Sept. 12 on the Mall in Washington to highlight the plight of illegal immigrants, Lozano said. Calling it “A Day Without Immigrants,” Lozano said the protest would revolve around a national boycott in which immigrants would be called on to stay away from their jobs and classrooms and refrain from making any purchases.

After demonstrating outside the Chicago immigration offices, the protesters moved on to the Kluczynski Federal Building, 230 S. Dearborn St., where five of them went up to the local office of Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) to urge him to introduce a private bill to provide a humanitarian visa for Arellano.

Update 3:02pm Eastern 8/20. Protests in Chicago. WCBS2:

Hundreds gathered in Chicago Monday morning to protest the arrest and deportation of illegal immigrant and immigration activist Elvira Arellano.

She was whisked away to Mexico Sunday after her arrest in Los Angeles. Now immigration activists say they’re fight is even stronger.

CBS 2′s Kristyn Hartman was at the rally near the immigration offices here in Chicago. She reports that the demonstration was peaceful – yet forceful.

Dozens and dozens of people came to the corner of Congress and Clark to protest the deportation of Elvira Arellano. They support the 32-year-old woman who admittedly re-entered the country illegally to be with her son. Eight-year-old Saul Arellano is a U.S. citizen.

More: “U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials are slated to have a news conference at noon in Chicago to discuss Arellano’s arrest and deportation.”

Update 2:15pm Eastern 8/20. Pro-amnesty forces set to hold a news conference in Los Angeles. Meanwhile, a blogger bashes the LA Times for failing to cover the Arellano story quickly enough (and throws in a swipe at the blogs, including this one, who have been covering it.) Here’s the LATimes story published this a.m.

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Update 10:15am Eastern 8/20. Tune in to the Laura Ingraham show. In just a few minutes, she’s scheduled to debate immigration and border security with open-borders hystericist Geraldo Rivera. Nuclear. Audio added at HA. My favorite Geraldo-ism. He claims he “invented” covering MS-13 gangs. He “invented” it!

Update 9:15am Eastern 8/20. The feds make a choice: Sovereign Nation over Sanctuary Nation. Arellano has been sent back to Mexico.

An illegal immigrant who took refuge in a Chicago church for a year to avoid being separated from her U.S.-born son has been deported to Mexico, the church’s pastor said.

Elvira Arellano became an activist and a national symbol for illegal immigrant parents as she defied her deportation order and spoke out from her religious sanctuary. She held a news conference last week to announce that she would finally leave the church to try to lobby U.S. lawmakers for change.

She had just spoken at rally Los Angeles rally when she was arrested Sunday outside Our Lady Queen of Angels church and deported, said the Rev. Walter Coleman, pastor of Adalberto United Methodist Church in Chicago, where Arellano had been living.

“She has been deported. She is free and in Tijuana,” said Coleman, who said he spoke to her on the phone. “She is in good spirits. She is ready to continue the struggle against the separation of families from the other side of the border.”

You’ve probably heard by now: Elvira Arellano, the illegal alien activist and deportation evader who left her Chicago church sanctuary to attend a pro-amnesty march in Los Angeles, was arrested.

Elvira Arrellano, a Mexican woman who sought sanctuary from deportation in a Chicago church was arrested Sunday in Los Angeles.

A spokesperson from the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement Agency would not confirm Arrellano was taken in by ICE agents on Olvera Street, near La Placita Church, in the Los Angeles Civic Center area at about 3 p.m.

Arellano and her son Saul, 8, who is a U.S. citizen, were in Los Angeles seeking immigration reform and were staying at La Placita Church.

She visited three area churches to speak about immigration, but was arrested before she could go to a fourth church.

Arellano defied a deportation order to report to the Department of Homeland Security on Aug. 15, 2006. Instead, she sought refuge in the Adalberto United Methodist Church in the Humboldt Park area of Chicago.

According to the New Sanctuary Movement, more than 600,000 families in the United States have at least one member facing deportation because they are illegal residents.

Chicago Tribune has more. Keep an eye on ICE.

Allah ponders the timing.

Update: More from Associated Press…

Arellano was “being processed for removal to Mexico based upon a deportation order originally issued by a federal immigration judge in 1997,” U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement said in a news release.

Immigration activists promised protests and vigils to support her.

“We are sad, but at the same time we are angry,” said Javier Rodriguez, a Chicago immigration activist who worked with her. “How dare they arrest this woman?”

“How dare they?”

***

Related must-read: Mark Steyn has a powerful column on the Newark murders and sanctuary nation.

One could, I suppose, regard this as one of those unforeseen incremental consequences that happens in the darkest shadows of society. But that doesn’t extend to Newark’s official status as an illegal-immigrant “sanctuary city.” Like Los Angeles, New York and untold others, Newark has formally erased the distinction between U.S. citizens and the armies of the undocumented. This is the active collusion by multiple cities and states in the subversion of U.S. sovereignty. In Newark, N.J., it means an illegal-immigrant child rapist is free to murder on a Saturday night. In Somerville, Mass., it means two deaf girls are raped by MS-13 members. And in Falls Church, Va., it means Saudi Wahhabists figuring out that, if the “sanctuary nation” (in Michelle Malkin’s phrases) offers such rich pickings to imported killers and imported gangs, why not to jihadists?

“Tell Me Why They Had To Die”? Hard to answer. But tell me why, no matter how many Jose Carranzas it spawns, the nationwide undocumented-immigration protection program erected by this country’s political class remains untouchable and ever-expanding.

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  1. #1
    On August 19th, 2007 at 8:51 pm, TacitEagle said:

    Good. Now deport her. If she would like to come back, she can get in line and fill out the paper work. It’s not just a good idea, it’s the law.

  2. #2
    On August 19th, 2007 at 8:57 pm, ajmontana said:

    Wouldn’t her name be on the no-fly list or did she drive here(LA)???

  3. #3
    On August 19th, 2007 at 8:58 pm, zorro said:

    As I mentioned earlier, she and her child will be safe in Old Mexico…

  4. #4
    On August 19th, 2007 at 8:58 pm, ajmontana said:

    Wern’t they watching, I’m lost.

  5. #5
    On August 19th, 2007 at 9:09 pm, OldGuy53 said:

    It’ll be interesting to see how it’s spun in the MSM.

  6. #6
    On August 19th, 2007 at 9:10 pm, p51d007 said:

    You’ll hear all the bleeding hearts say that she will be separated from her child.
    No she won’t….take him/her with you.
    When you want to come back to the U.S.A.,
    no problem, fill out the appropriate paperwork, wait your turn like you are suppose to and come on across.
    Most American’s welcome LEGAL immigration.
    It’s the sneak across the border, work under the table, cut wages crowd we have a dislike for.

  7. #7
    On August 19th, 2007 at 9:11 pm, OneofThem said:

    Let’s just hope they don’t give her a “talking to” and then release her and say, “Now remember, you have to leave the country!”

  8. #8
    On August 19th, 2007 at 9:13 pm, katieanne said:

    Good. Deport her. After all the publicity last week and her bold comments, I was afraid our government would allow her to get away with it, just like they have in the past.

    I am sure she will be portrayed as a victim, but she has knowingly flouted our laws with no remorse. We have laws for a reason. It is not up to her and those like her to tell the US how we may protect our borders and limit immigration.

    If she doesn’t like how the US does things, she shouldn’t have come here in the first place.

  9. #9
    On August 19th, 2007 at 9:15 pm, DesertLover said:

    I am under the impression that she has already been deported once before … and came back illegally again … and that is when she had her child … I think that we shuld find out how she got from Chicago to LA … like ajmontana I am questioning that she should not have been able to fly there … so who transported her to LA? … isn’t that called “aiding and abetting” … ?

  10. #10
    On August 19th, 2007 at 9:17 pm, ajmontana said:

    I’m out for the day…catch you all tomorrow, we may know more by then. :)

  11. #11
    On August 19th, 2007 at 9:18 pm, DesertLover said:

    night aj ;-)

  12. #12
    On August 19th, 2007 at 9:34 pm, Rick Moran said:

    I never thought they’d have the guts to arrest her.

    Question is, now what? The Church will probably scream bloody murder, claiming somehow that she was still under “sanctuary.” Activists will agitate for a pardon or something.

    It will almost be as grotesque as having her in the damn church for year.

  13. #13
    On August 19th, 2007 at 9:47 pm, CapitalistPig said:

    AJMONTANA: Actually, it’s a well known fact that the vast vast majority of criminally deported aliens are not on any sort of no-fly list…Even your regular ole EWI (plain old Entry without Inspection illegal alien) can get on a plane with little problem, so long as you have a valid ID and no more than …what is it ? 3 ounces of liquids… LOL

  14. #14
    On August 19th, 2007 at 10:13 pm, purplepeep said:

    CapitalistPig said:
    AJMONTANA: Actually, it’s a well known fact that the vast vast majority of criminally deported aliens are not on any sort of no-fly list…

    From the news article -
    “Arellano arrived in the U.S. in 1997 and was soon deported back to Mexico. In 2000, she returned and moved to Illinois, working at Chicago’s O’Hare International Airport cleaning planes.”

    She probably got an employee discount on flights!

    This arrest is a good symbolic start, but only if she is prosecuted and deported.

  15. #15
    On August 19th, 2007 at 10:14 pm, zorro said:

    The Church will probably scream bloody murder

    I hope the Church will do what it does best, preach the Gospel, and leave issues of law and order to those in charge of law and order.

  16. #16
    On August 19th, 2007 at 10:57 pm, almeehan said:

    I saw a news piece on WGN Chicago and the bleeding heart activist vowed that it’s not over. Exactly my sentiments….it’s not over until all the deportable ones are deported!

  17. #17
    On August 19th, 2007 at 11:20 pm, Glamchild said:

    I love her sob-story about how her son needs treatment for the very exotic, and mysterious disease of……attention-deficit disorder.

    By the way…the Church that’s haboring all these illegal aliens ought to have their tax-free status revoked. IMHO

  18. #18
    On August 19th, 2007 at 11:25 pm, Bear said:

    If the Govt has enough courage to deport her, any guess as to how long before she is back illegially?

  19. #19
    On August 19th, 2007 at 11:37 pm, katieanne said:

    “By the way…the Church that’s haboring all these illegal aliens ought to have their tax-free status revoked. IMHO”

    I agree and I also think that sanctuary cities should not get any federal funding until they start obeying federal laws.

  20. #20
    On August 19th, 2007 at 11:48 pm, Speakup said:

    In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way.
    Franklin D. Roosevelt

    Her arrest was no accident, you can bet this was a top down action and for that reason, watch out!

    Congress may not convene a special session to make Americans safe from predatory aliens but they might just come back early to ‘free’ and citizenize Elvira.

  21. #21
    On August 20th, 2007 at 12:18 am, DarkKnight said:

    On August 19th, 2007 at 10:14 pm, zorro said:

    The Church will probably scream bloody murder

    I hope the Church will do what it does best, preach the Gospel, and leave issues of law and order to those in charge of law and order.

    I know a ton of people who will disagree with that statement arguing that the two are forever linked (abortion, gay marriage, civil rights, etc.).

    Just my observation.

  22. #22
    On August 20th, 2007 at 12:43 am, puhiawa said:

    This is what is supposed to happen. But in America we are embarrassed about arresting law breakers…oh, not us…I mean Bush and that moron Chertoff. What an arrogant, incompetent jackass this man is. WOW In a class by himself.

  23. #23
    On August 20th, 2007 at 1:11 am, Bhishma said:

    So far, Tom Tancredo, R-CO. http://www.congress.org/congressorg/webreturn/?url=http://www.house.gov%2Ftancredo

    is the only public servent with a firm and a consistent stand against illegal immigration. Tom Tancredo cares for America, more than the current administration does. http://www.teamtancredo.com/

  24. #24
    On August 20th, 2007 at 1:21 am, Alphonse said:

    On August 19th, 2007 at 9:10 pm, p51d007 said: Most American’s welcome LEGAL immigration.

    I’m not sure that’s true. We’re on the cusp of overpopulation, and businessmen and their lackeys in Congress are going for quantity, not quality.

    Elvira Arellano if she ever leaves is one alien; probably 9,000 more entered today.

  25. #25
    On August 20th, 2007 at 1:59 am, Sanddog said:

    What a lovely slap to the face for Los Angeles….a so-called sanctuary city.

  26. #26
    On August 20th, 2007 at 4:24 am, graysonret said:

    “Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s. Render unto God, that which is God’s.” Some churches need to reread the Bible again. Stay out of politics and harboring criminals. Stick with the Gospel. Lots of work there.

  27. #27
    On August 20th, 2007 at 5:22 am, ajmontana said:

    By PETER PRENGAMAN – Associated Press Writer

    LOS ANGELES(AP) An immigration activist who took refuge in a Chicago church for a year to avoid being separated from her son has been deported to Mexico, the church’s pastor said.

  28. #28
    On August 20th, 2007 at 6:07 am, ajmontana said:

    Here’s a link, roadrunner home page where I read this. If it’s not there click next under top headlines.

    http://www.rr.com/flash/index.cfm

  29. #29
    On August 20th, 2007 at 6:22 am, crashemt said:

    There’s one question I am burning to ask:

    What happened to the person whose SSN Elvira was using?

    The MSM seems to be concentrating on the “terrible treatment” we gave this illegal, but what about the faceless victims that are violated day in and day out because persons are falsifying SSNs to get employment, benefits, credit, homes and all the other things that have been tied to having a valid SSN.

    Did the airline/airport have to contact the victim and inform them of the misuse? Did the IRS, Social Security Administration, or ICE make any contact with the victim?

    There’s a story here with some big legs that I would love to help some journalist grab a hold of.

  30. #30
    On August 20th, 2007 at 6:37 am, ajmontana said:

    Crash, Exactly. This creats a living nightmare for the person whose identity was “stolen” The amount of red tape is monumental not to mention time envolved to clear the mess up if indeed you ever do.

  31. #31
    On August 20th, 2007 at 6:42 am, zorro said:

    DarkKnight – I know a ton of people who will disagree with that statement arguing that the two are forever linked (abortion, gay marriage, civil rights, etc.).

    Just my observation.

    You are right Knight, there are plenty of priest and Christians who will and can lobby for change from our political leaders. Those activities are good and all citizens have a right to speak their mind to our elected officials. However, some priest and Bishops, as they did in the 70′s, cross the line when they break the law or, as in this case, make up law like “sanctuary”. That was wrong.

  32. #32
    On August 20th, 2007 at 7:08 am, ajmontana said:

    #30 *creates* opps

  33. #33
    On August 20th, 2007 at 7:21 am, DesertLover said:

    crashemt and ajmontana

    I totally agree … what about the stolen identity of an American citizen that she used to get that airport job in the first place? …

    I have been fighting with the IRS and other agencies for almost 6 years now over something that came about as the result of someone using my SSN for an ID, a job, welfare benefits, and taking out loans that were never repaid …

    Believe me … that individual is the one that needs the help …

  34. #34
    On August 20th, 2007 at 7:27 am, ajmontana said:

    Well Elvira is in TJ now where she can probably get another SSN for a few Peso’s. :(

  35. #35
    On August 20th, 2007 at 7:28 am, ajmontana said:

    and….Good Morning fellow desert dweller.

  36. #36
    On August 20th, 2007 at 7:30 am, DesertLover said:

    mornig back atcha ajmontana

  37. #37
    On August 20th, 2007 at 7:38 am, ajmontana said:

    Still confused as to how in the heck she got from Chi town to La La Land????

  38. #38
    On August 20th, 2007 at 7:38 am, DesertLover said:

    arghhhh … finger checks … mornig = morning … More Caffeine Please …

  39. #39
    On August 20th, 2007 at 7:40 am, Heartland Perspective said:

    Fox News reporting she has been deported.

    I wonder if ICE deported her now in order to avoid her heading up the immigration demonstration she was intending to lead in Washington. If so, smart move.

  40. #40
    On August 20th, 2007 at 7:41 am, DesertLover said:

    aj … I read in the write up on her arrest on FoxNews.com that she went by car … so I want to know who drove her to LA … they should be arrested for “aiding and abetting” and also for “obstruction of justice” …

  41. #41
    On August 20th, 2007 at 7:43 am, ajmontana said:

    Crazy, I thought they were watching?

  42. #42
    On August 20th, 2007 at 7:44 am, DesertLover said:

    Heartland Perspective

    I had a similar question on another thread here last night when the news broke about the arrest … I asked what happened to going to DC and questioned her sense of direction when she left Chicago … as I see it … she should have never managed to get out of Chicago … so I say we need to find those that helped her get out of town

  43. #43
    On August 20th, 2007 at 7:48 am, ajmontana said:

    Answer: Coyotes

  44. #44
    On August 20th, 2007 at 7:52 am, DesertLover said:

    aj … I suspect it will turn out to be one of those radical open borders groups like Reconquista or La Raza … maybe the whole DC thing was meant to be a diversion so ICE was focusing on that while they snuck her to LA to another SSN and another name and another job under the radar …

  45. #45
    On August 20th, 2007 at 7:55 am, ajmontana said:

    Where’s all the demonstrations in Mexico? Plenty here demanding OUR Government for “rights” ugh, choking on my coffee.

  46. #46
    On August 20th, 2007 at 7:58 am, ajmontana said:

    You’re probly right, she has someone or group “assisting” her. I’m sure more details will follow soon. Hopefully.

  47. #47
    On August 20th, 2007 at 8:03 am, DesertLover said:

    aj … all the demonstrations for “rights” are here because there are “no rights” to demonstrate for in Mexico …

  48. #48
    On August 20th, 2007 at 8:04 am, sausage said:

    Most American’s welcome LEGAL immigration.

    Erm…Depends how far south you go in the country…. less so in the “throwing sticks at the moon” southern states.

    I’m not sure that’s true. We’re on the cusp of overpopulation

    Overpopulation? Now living in England… that was overpopulated – America? Plenty of room to go round ;)

    Mind you, I would say that being an legal USA resident alien…

  49. #49
    On August 20th, 2007 at 8:11 am, ajmontana said:

    Good point, but they could be up in arms for a better way of life there and if they wish to come here do so legally.

  50. #50
    On August 20th, 2007 at 8:12 am, BigAnge said:

    Adios!

  51. #51
    On August 20th, 2007 at 8:13 am, ajmontana said:

    lol, fox reporting on 50 bucks to become a tribe member. I wonder if you pay the 50 you get a chunk of money each month from their casino’s???? some of those folks get at least 20k a month …I’m in!!!!

  52. #52
    On August 20th, 2007 at 8:18 am, ajmontana said:

    Vegas odds are only at 2-1 Geraldo will be on O’Reilly whinning about this story tonight.

  53. #53
    On August 20th, 2007 at 8:32 am, englishqueen01 said:

    I hope the Church will do what it does best, preach the Gospel, and leave issues of law and order to those in charge of law and order.

    To true.

    The Catechism of the Catholic Church makes it explicitly clear that, while nations should allow immigrants if they are able to, those immigrants have a moral obligation to uphold the laws of said nation and be a productive member of society…neither of which gel with BREAKING THE LAW to enter this country:

    The more prosperous nations are obliged, to the extent they are able, to welcome the foreigner in search of the security and the means of livelihood which he cannot find in his country of origin. Public authorities should see to it that the natural right is respected that places a guest under the protection of those who receive him.

    Political authorities, for the sake of the common good for which they are responsible, may make the exercise of the right to immigrate subject to various juridical conditions, especially with regard to the immigrants’ duties toward their country of adoption. Immigrants are obliged to respect with gratitude the material and spiritual heritage of the country that receives them, to obey its laws and to assist in carrying civic burdens.

    Cardinal Mahoney seems to forget that part of the CCC, as do other open-borders, pro-illegal immigrant Churches.

  54. #54
    On August 20th, 2007 at 8:32 am, englishqueen01 said:

    And, apologies, that should read “TOO true.”

  55. #55
    On August 20th, 2007 at 9:09 am, xler8bmw said:

    The kid is illegal too! The 14th amendment doesn’t make a citizen of a foreign national unless 1 parent is a US citizen.

  56. #56
    On August 20th, 2007 at 9:10 am, Chief RZ said:

    1997-2007 Ten years. It should have taken 10 days!
    Deport the criminal illegal aliens first and fast.

  57. #57
    On August 20th, 2007 at 9:14 am, xler8bmw said:

    I also don’t understand they deported her to Tijuana in 24 hours why can’t they deport the other 600,000 they have in custody that quickley. HHHMMMM!

  58. #58
    On August 20th, 2007 at 9:20 am, Rational Thought said:

    I suppose if my mother were pimping me for open borders photo ops, making me sleep in a church for a year, and then chose to abandon me in another country when she got deported, I would have some sort of “attention deficit disorder” too. Unfortunately, in the case of this woman’s son, whatever “learning disabilities” he has are purely of his mother’s making.

    This must be the new illegal alien rallying cry:

    –get here illegally
    –have a kid
    –have little to no regard for your responsibility to raise him properly
    –screw him up completely
    –and then complain that you need to stay here for the government benefits to aid the kid you are completely responsible for screwing up.
    –Yup, sounds like a plan.

    On the other hand, perhaps his “attention deficit” is owing to the fact that no one in his life thought that learning English in an English-speaking country would be a good idea.

    I suppose it would be bad form to ask where the child’s daddy is…

  59. #59
    On August 20th, 2007 at 9:23 am, swj719AWG said:

    “We are sad, but at the same time we are angry,” said Javier Rodriguez, a Chicago immigration activist who worked with her. “How dare they arrest this woman?”

    Yeah… How dare they follow the law. What assholes…

    Remind me to go to Chicago, find that douchebag, and slap him.

    And, apologies, that should read “TOO true.”

    No worries. Most of use probably wouldn’t have noticed. Of those that did, most probably wouldn’t care.

    Regarding the CCC, I really, really wish I could hear John Paul II’s view of this.

    But then again, I’m Catholic Lite…

    The kid is illegal too! The 14th amendment doesn’t make a citizen of a foreign national unless 1 parent is a US citizen.

    I don’t recall where it’s found, but I recall hearing that being born on US soil (including Military Bases abroad, and US Embasies) makes the born one a Citizen, regardless of the parents.

  60. #60
    On August 20th, 2007 at 9:24 am, xler8bmw said:

    #57 “This must be the new illegal alien rallying cry:”

    This isn’t new this is what they’ve been doing for a long time. Brownsville TX is the busiest Post Office in the country. Because they come over illegally have an anchor baby then go back and come over the border to collect their government check for the kid.

  61. #61
    On August 20th, 2007 at 9:24 am, rlongenbach said:

    As with #30 and others…

    Her “theft” of a SSN was a crime, and a serious one to boot.

    Yet the MSM doesn’t care. Because deporting her breaks her family up! Fine – put her in jail and the child to CPS. Using a SSN carries a 5 year jail term as a felony! Who would take care of the child then?????

  62. #62
    On August 20th, 2007 at 9:26 am, rlongenbach said:

    14th amendment reads: Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.

    Don’t see where it says that someone born here has to have at least 1 citizen parent to become a citizen.

  63. #63
    On August 20th, 2007 at 9:34 am, Dread Pirate Roberts VIII said:

    On August 20th, 2007 at 9:09 am, xler8bmw said:
    The kid is illegal too! The 14th amendment doesn’t make a citizen of a foreign national unless 1 parent is a US citizen.

    Wrong. If you’re born here, you’re a citizen. Period.

    Hopefully, he’ll grow up pissed off at his scuzzy Mom, become a conservative, write a book about the child abuse of having an illegal alien parent intentionally put her baby at great risk of separation by bearing him on welfare in a foreign country without a father, make a lot of money off the book, go on Oprah, and then run for office on a border control platform and become a Senator.

    Heh.

  64. #64
    On August 20th, 2007 at 9:36 am, xler8bmw said:

    swj No if you read the 14th a foreign national must submit for naturalization under the law. If a foreign diplomat has a kid why in this country he must apply for naturalization. This was for the emancipation of the slaves. It is said; that many southern states didn’t even ratify the law in 1866. The framers left much interpretation for “Subject To Jurisdiction Thereof”

    The phrase “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” was intended to exclude from automatic citizenship American-born persons whose allegiance to the United States was not complete. In the case of illegal aliens who are temporarily or unlawfully in the United States, because their native country has a claim of allegiance on the child, the completeness of the allegiance to the United States is impaired and logically precludes automatic citizenship.

  65. #65
    On August 20th, 2007 at 9:37 am, xler8bmw said:

    # 62 Wrong read the constitution.

  66. #66
    On August 20th, 2007 at 9:38 am, xler8bmw said:

    #61 read the whole 14th amendment.

  67. #67
    On August 20th, 2007 at 9:57 am, crashemt said:

    For those with the Identity Theft issues, I’m living it with you. My illegal is still in Chicago, and Mr. Patrick Fitzgerald (yep, same one!) refuses to even look at the case. Chicago PD won’t do anything, unless he commits a crime. WTF?!? Since when is falsely using an SSN not a crime?

    Social Security and IRS won’t do anything, because he is protected under the Privacy Act of 1974 (even though that act CLEARLY states that it protects only Citizen’s of the United States) But the IRS has had more than enough time to audit me for his earning.

    My credit is now clean of his activities, but still rides below 500. I just leaned a new word: “Sub-file“. As in, a sub-file to your credit report, which you are not allowed to see. Seems that is protected by the Privacy Act, also. And it impacts your score. Such joy!

    The only good news is that he used my birthday for his documentation, because he got his identity (uses a false name, I’m sure) from a corrupt clerk in the Illinois DMV. That at least prevents him from stealing my Social Security before I have a chance to make a claim.

    Not that I’ll see a cent of that money. The ladies at the SSA office here said basically that I’ll have years of investigation with all the Earnings Suspense Fund monies he’s put away, before my claim will be honored. Basically, I’ll have to prove a negative, which any good lawyer will tell you is close to impossible.

    I’ve been fighting since 2000. Until he leaves, or really screws up, I’ll keep on fighting. It’s all I can do.

  68. #68
    On August 20th, 2007 at 10:01 am, ajmontana said:

    Crash,
    Similar story since 1997, pretty much to the point of screw it.

  69. #69
    On August 20th, 2007 at 10:03 am, swj719AWG said:

    Wow Crash. Wish any of the folks in the Chicago area could help ya, but I don’t think any are law enforcement or anything.

    That’s just BS on every level. Maybe a Freedom of Information Act would get you access to the Sub-File?

  70. #70
    On August 20th, 2007 at 10:08 am, xler8bmw said:

    Crash so sorry I can’t imagine your frustration and anger that they get away with because our politicians won’t do anything.

    I friend and they found out 40 illegals were using there 5 yr old daughter SS#

  71. #71
    On August 20th, 2007 at 10:10 am, EdDantes said:

    Instead of doing sob stories on illegal immigrants deported, there should be a focus on the stories of people who are victims of illegal immigrants (murders, drunk driving, stolen identity, lost job).

  72. #72
    On August 20th, 2007 at 10:17 am, swj719AWG said:

    Ed, here’s just one such story.

    There are 13 others at Patterico’s Pontifications, and Hot Air has several of them from him as well…

    Granted, it’s not MSM attention, but it’s attention none the less.

  73. #73
    On August 20th, 2007 at 10:18 am, DesertLover said:

    xler8bmw

    I agree with you on the “jurisdiction” portion of that amendment …

    Also, a few years ago in a border town in Southern AZ they uncovered the same scam you mentioned in Brownsville … they noticed that there were tons of welfare checks and food stamps and WIC vouchers being mailed to the same street address.

    Investigators found that it was a small house that was not being lived in but was being used as the address of record for all kinds of benefits.

    All of the recipients were not even trying to stay in the USA … they would cross on “day passes” and go file for stuff and then return to Mexico … then come back the same way to pick things up later on.

    crashemt

    I feel for you as I mentioned earlier I am still fighting a similar situation … they have seen me so many times at the various agencies that they cringe when they see me walk in the door …

  74. #74
    On August 20th, 2007 at 10:20 am, Alphonse said:

    On August 20th, 2007 at 9:34 am, Dread Pirate Roberts VIII said: Wrong. If you’re born here, you’re a citizen. Period.

    There is no basis for this in the Constitution and the policy is easily reversed. Surely nobody seriously believes the 14th amendment was meant to reward border sneaks?

    A good read on jackpot babies

  75. #75
    On August 20th, 2007 at 10:22 am, Bhishma said:

    Whats the bet Elvira is back in US within a week?

  76. #76
    On August 20th, 2007 at 10:22 am, xler8bmw said:

    DL #72 The problem is Congress not doing their job abiding by the constitution. The 14th amendment is their jurisdiction to mandate and secure.

  77. #77
    On August 20th, 2007 at 10:30 am, swj719AWG said:

    On August 20th, 2007 at 10:22 am, Bhishma said:
    Whats the bet Elvira is back in US within a week?

    You assume she’s not back already…

  78. #78
    On August 20th, 2007 at 10:32 am, DesertLover said:

    xler8bmw

    I agree entirely …

  79. #79
    On August 20th, 2007 at 10:36 am, ajmontana said:

    Anyone who hasn’t been to the top of the page lately, check this out. I’m makin popcorn for this!!!
    http://www.lauraingraham.com/

  80. #80
    On August 20th, 2007 at 10:40 am, jamesgreenidge said:

    The 14th Amendment Is NOT A Sacred Escape Hatch

    Constitutional purist or not, we may well be forced to address and modify the 14th simply to preserve the cultural integrity and security of this country (is there any BETTER reason??), much as France — as “socially progressive and compassionate” of all people that they cluck they are — is almost frantically taking similar measures to keep their “Frenchness” from being diluted into thin soup. I hope we see the handwriting on the wall before OUR point of no return.

    James Greenidge
    Queens NY

  81. #81
    On August 20th, 2007 at 10:40 am, ajmontana said:

    swj719AWG said:
    You assume she’s not back already…

    LOL, swj….no kidding she made it from Chicago to LA no prob. A hop over to San Diego would be a breeze.

  82. #82
    On August 20th, 2007 at 10:41 am, xler8bmw said:

    We need to follow by example:

    On June 11, 2004 Irish voters voted in a national referendum to end automatic citizenship for any child born in Ireland regardless of the parents’ residence status. Ireland was the last member of the European Union to allow pregnant foreigners to gain residence and welfare benefits as a result of birth in the country. Seattle Post Intelligencer, June 13, 2004

  83. #83
    On August 20th, 2007 at 10:42 am, Schweggie said:

    Geraldo just suggested that we all ‘cool our jets’…says that he’s not on here for a fight…OMG

  84. #84
    On August 20th, 2007 at 10:45 am, The Raging Republican said:

    Can someone please explain to me why a church equals sanctuary??? Why would they be above the law and be able to knowingly aid and abed a criminal?

    P.S. Hey Elvira, you don’t want to break up families? Then take your son back to Mexico with you.

  85. #85
    On August 20th, 2007 at 10:46 am, ajmontana said:

    wysl-am has this live out of rochchester.

  86. #86
    On August 20th, 2007 at 10:49 am, ajmontana said:

    Holy Moly!

  87. #87
    On August 20th, 2007 at 10:50 am, hawkeye54 said:

    On August 20th, 2007 at 10:42 am, Schweggie said:
    Geraldo just suggested that we all ‘cool our jets’…says that he’s not on here for a fight…OMG

    Not in for a fight? What, did he think Laura was going to sling softball questions?

  88. #88
    On August 20th, 2007 at 10:52 am, ajmontana said:

    He can’t sing but boy can that boy dance! (around a question that is)

  89. #89
    On August 20th, 2007 at 10:53 am, xler8bmw said:

    #83 The church violated the law by sanctuary. It is a federal violation in this country. It’s against the law! But, the feds didn’t want to arrest here and create another Elian Gonzalez debaucle.

  90. #90
    On August 20th, 2007 at 10:53 am, Schweggie said:

    Well, Geraldo wasn’t on national tv, so he basically just wanted to get along. When asked about Michelle, he said cattily ‘well, she’s your friend, that’s great’.

    This guy is so beyond lame. He’s such an attention seeker, that’s all he is.

  91. #91
    On August 20th, 2007 at 10:55 am, reine.de.tout said:

    Arellano was “being processed for removal to Mexico based upon a deportation order originally issued by a federal immigration judge in 1997,” U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement said in a news release

    BEFORE her son was born?

    And now:

    “She has been deported. She is free and in Tijuana,” said Coleman, who said he spoke to her on the phone. “She is in good spirits. She is ready to continue the struggle against the separation of families from the other side of the border.”

    Why didn’t she take her 8-year old son with her?

  92. #92
    On August 20th, 2007 at 10:57 am, ajmontana said:

    Is Geraldo on Crack?!!! illegals more law abiding? Say what????

  93. #93
    On August 20th, 2007 at 10:57 am, geminicontender said:

    The government is scared to death to do anything. Too many repercussions they do not want to deal with. WIMPS!

  94. #94
    On August 20th, 2007 at 10:57 am, hawkeye54 said:

    On August 20th, 2007 at 10:45 am, The Raging Republican said:
    Can someone please explain to me why a church equals sanctuary??? Why would they be above the law and be able to knowingly aid and abed a criminal?

    It’s this liberal PC stuff. You know, separation of church and state. The feds, with too many sanctuary cities, feels TOO uneasy about invading a churh for these immigration lawbreakers and the negative media law enforcement would get.

  95. #95
    On August 20th, 2007 at 11:00 am, hawkeye54 said:

    Why didn’t she take her 8-year old son with her

    He will be a pawn for her LEGALLY returning to be able to return. Look for her in DC in September with the media fawning all over her as the poster girl for open borders and amnesty.

  96. #96
    On August 20th, 2007 at 11:00 am, hawkeye54 said:

    Why didn’t she take her 8-year old son with her

    He will be a pawn for her LEGALLY returning to be able to return. Look for her in DC in September with the media fawning all over her as the poster girl for open borders and amnesty.

  97. #97
    On August 20th, 2007 at 11:02 am, xler8bmw said:

    #91 he didn’t really say that did he? He is completely out of touch!

  98. #98
    On August 20th, 2007 at 11:03 am, ajmontana said:

    it was #90 and yes he did…lol

  99. #99
    On August 20th, 2007 at 11:04 am, xler8bmw said:

    #91 also if they’re so law abiding does he not realize they broke the law crossing in illegally. Things that make you go HHHMMMMMM!

  100. #100
    On August 20th, 2007 at 11:13 am, swj719AWG said:

    They are more law abiding? He’s insane!

    Every illegal who’s been in this country long enough for tax time to roll around, and was working at all, has committed one of two federal crimes!

    God Geraldo. Get a freaking CLUE!

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