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		<title>By: August 22 roundup</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2007/08/20/charges-dismissed-against-behind-swatting-boys/comment-page-1/#comment-343826</link>
		<dc:creator>August 22 roundup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 14:32:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] charges dropped against Oregon 13-year-olds over fanny-swatting in school corridors [CBSNews.com, Malkin, KGW.com and AP; earlier] Elasticity of &#8220;medical error&#8221; concept: Medicare will stop [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] charges dropped against Oregon 13-year-olds over fanny-swatting in school corridors [CBSNews.com, Malkin, KGW.com and AP; earlier] Elasticity of &#8220;medical error&#8221; concept: Medicare will stop [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Planck's Constant</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2007/08/20/charges-dismissed-against-behind-swatting-boys/comment-page-1/#comment-138059</link>
		<dc:creator>Planck's Constant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 17:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;US Schools Ban Looking at Anyone...&lt;/strong&gt;

I fear that we are turning our students into unfeeling zombies.  They can&#039;t hold hands, they can&#039;t flirt, they can&#039;t kiss, they can&#039;t hug.  Then they eventually finish school and go into the workplace where they can&#039;t meet anyone of the opposite s...</description>
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<p>I fear that we are turning our students into unfeeling zombies.  They can&#8217;t hold hands, they can&#8217;t flirt, they can&#8217;t kiss, they can&#8217;t hug.  Then they eventually finish school and go into the workplace where they can&#8217;t meet anyone of the opposite s&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: rfbarker</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2007/08/20/charges-dismissed-against-behind-swatting-boys/comment-page-1/#comment-135641</link>
		<dc:creator>rfbarker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 13:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;behind-swatting boys&quot;? What about the &quot;breast-poking and cupping&quot; boys? Okay, so it&#039;s not felony sexual assault when done by a 13-year-old kid who&#039;s beginning to notice girls, but it&#039;s clearly inappropriate and deserves some disciplinary action. But school officials couldn&#039;t think of anything less than felony sexual assault charges? Branding two 13-year-old nerds as sex offenders for life is not the answer. Teaching them to keep their hands to themselves is certainly an improvement, but will &quot;boundary education&quot; do the trick? Developed by whom? The folks who want to teach sex ed to kindergarteners?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;behind-swatting boys&#8221;? What about the &#8220;breast-poking and cupping&#8221; boys? Okay, so it&#8217;s not felony sexual assault when done by a 13-year-old kid who&#8217;s beginning to notice girls, but it&#8217;s clearly inappropriate and deserves some disciplinary action. But school officials couldn&#8217;t think of anything less than felony sexual assault charges? Branding two 13-year-old nerds as sex offenders for life is not the answer. Teaching them to keep their hands to themselves is certainly an improvement, but will &#8220;boundary education&#8221; do the trick? Developed by whom? The folks who want to teach sex ed to kindergarteners?</p>
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		<title>By: foxforce91</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2007/08/20/charges-dismissed-against-behind-swatting-boys/comment-page-1/#comment-135500</link>
		<dc:creator>foxforce91</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 03:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You had them - now do your freakin job and raise them. Don&#039;t expect the government, the courts or society to do it for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You had them &#8211; now do your freakin job and raise them. Don&#8217;t expect the government, the courts or society to do it for you.</p>
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		<title>By: foxforce91</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2007/08/20/charges-dismissed-against-behind-swatting-boys/comment-page-1/#comment-135498</link>
		<dc:creator>foxforce91</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 03:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m on the side of the boys. Filing charges against little kids is another way of shirking your responsibility as a parent. Instead of teaching your kids how to deal with situations, you teach them to take the litigious route. The reason they can&#039;t drink, drive a car or enlist for the army is because they haven&#039;t matured as far as having good judgement BECAUSE THEY&#039;RE CHILDREN. My nephew was recently charged with assault by someone&#039;s parent because his kid and my nephew had a glowstick fight. My nephew had marks on him, and so did this other kid, but they quickly took photographs of him so they could bilk my brother and his wife out of as much money as possible. I&#039;m sick of lazy parents expecting the courts to do their job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m on the side of the boys. Filing charges against little kids is another way of shirking your responsibility as a parent. Instead of teaching your kids how to deal with situations, you teach them to take the litigious route. The reason they can&#8217;t drink, drive a car or enlist for the army is because they haven&#8217;t matured as far as having good judgement BECAUSE THEY&#8217;RE CHILDREN. My nephew was recently charged with assault by someone&#8217;s parent because his kid and my nephew had a glowstick fight. My nephew had marks on him, and so did this other kid, but they quickly took photographs of him so they could bilk my brother and his wife out of as much money as possible. I&#8217;m sick of lazy parents expecting the courts to do their job.</p>
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		<title>By: ScottyDog</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2007/08/20/charges-dismissed-against-behind-swatting-boys/comment-page-1/#comment-119650</link>
		<dc:creator>ScottyDog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 00:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gunslingerpatriot 

I could not agree more!

chapoutier 

&quot;I agree with most everyone here that it was a “blown out of context fiasco.” 

You keep saying that then you support the punishment of only the boys. 18 Girls were involved and walked with no dicipline.

Nice Try and spare me legal logic lectures, this is a forum not a court room.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gunslingerpatriot </p>
<p>I could not agree more!</p>
<p>chapoutier </p>
<p>&#8220;I agree with most everyone here that it was a “blown out of context fiasco.” </p>
<p>You keep saying that then you support the punishment of only the boys. 18 Girls were involved and walked with no dicipline.</p>
<p>Nice Try and spare me legal logic lectures, this is a forum not a court room.</p>
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		<title>By: gunslingerpatriot</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2007/08/20/charges-dismissed-against-behind-swatting-boys/comment-page-1/#comment-119468</link>
		<dc:creator>gunslingerpatriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 17:54:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is agreed that this entire episode has been blown entirely way out of proportion.  The point to my comment, and others of a simuliar vein has been that there was more to this story than has been reported.

I agree that what the boys did was wrong and should have been punished.  However, look at what they went through and compare it side-by-side what the girls went through.

Boys stripped search four times-Girls none.
Boys not permitted to speak to their parents for 24 hours-Girls able to talk to their parents.
Boys held in jail for 5 days-Girls not in jail.
Of course this could go on.

My clashpoint is: Be careful on what standard is going to be applied, because that same standard will be measured against you.

When I was in middle school-we had some girls doing a simuliar game, but it involved pinching guys pectorsalis muscles.  The pinches hurt, and after the guys told the girls to stop it, the girls continued until one guy slapped a girls hand.  She complained, and guess who got in trouble and sent to detention?
If you guess the guys-you are correct!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is agreed that this entire episode has been blown entirely way out of proportion.  The point to my comment, and others of a simuliar vein has been that there was more to this story than has been reported.</p>
<p>I agree that what the boys did was wrong and should have been punished.  However, look at what they went through and compare it side-by-side what the girls went through.</p>
<p>Boys stripped search four times-Girls none.<br />
Boys not permitted to speak to their parents for 24 hours-Girls able to talk to their parents.<br />
Boys held in jail for 5 days-Girls not in jail.<br />
Of course this could go on.</p>
<p>My clashpoint is: Be careful on what standard is going to be applied, because that same standard will be measured against you.</p>
<p>When I was in middle school-we had some girls doing a simuliar game, but it involved pinching guys pectorsalis muscles.  The pinches hurt, and after the guys told the girls to stop it, the girls continued until one guy slapped a girls hand.  She complained, and guess who got in trouble and sent to detention?<br />
If you guess the guys-you are correct!</p>
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		<title>By: chapoutier</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2007/08/20/charges-dismissed-against-behind-swatting-boys/comment-page-1/#comment-119097</link>
		<dc:creator>chapoutier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;What you fail to realize is the quote says; “ACCUSED”.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Not so fast, Sparky.  You never argued that the two were falsely accused.  You argued that what they were accused of a felony for &quot;innocent&quot; behavior.    I&#039;d hate to be your kid if this is your attitude as to what is &quot;innocent&quot;.

Again I ask you to cite that either Rusty or I wrote that was factually incorrect after you claimed we did, but the crickets are still chirping on that one.

I agree with most everyone here that it was a &quot;blown out of context fiasco.&quot;  What I, and I believe Rusty, take issue with is that many here are getting so caught up in criticizing the overreaction of the school and law enforcement on this that they are excusing the &quot;alleged&quot; behavior of these boys (which btw they confessed to and apologized for) and demonizing the girls involved, who by all accounts were not the driving force behind this prosecution and in fact wanted the charges dropped.

Please please please for the love of all that is holy learn to: 1) read an argument 2) determine what is actually being said and then 3) apply facts RELEVANT to what was just argued to either support or refute said argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>What you fail to realize is the quote says; “ACCUSED”.</p></blockquote>
<p>Not so fast, Sparky.  You never argued that the two were falsely accused.  You argued that what they were accused of a felony for &#8220;innocent&#8221; behavior.    I&#8217;d hate to be your kid if this is your attitude as to what is &#8220;innocent&#8221;.</p>
<p>Again I ask you to cite that either Rusty or I wrote that was factually incorrect after you claimed we did, but the crickets are still chirping on that one.</p>
<p>I agree with most everyone here that it was a &#8220;blown out of context fiasco.&#8221;  What I, and I believe Rusty, take issue with is that many here are getting so caught up in criticizing the overreaction of the school and law enforcement on this that they are excusing the &#8220;alleged&#8221; behavior of these boys (which btw they confessed to and apologized for) and demonizing the girls involved, who by all accounts were not the driving force behind this prosecution and in fact wanted the charges dropped.</p>
<p>Please please please for the love of all that is holy learn to: 1) read an argument 2) determine what is actually being said and then 3) apply facts RELEVANT to what was just argued to either support or refute said argument.</p>
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		<title>By: ScottyDog</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2007/08/20/charges-dismissed-against-behind-swatting-boys/comment-page-1/#comment-119075</link>
		<dc:creator>ScottyDog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 17:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What you fail to realize is the quote says; &quot;ACCUSED&quot;.

Was that before or after the police coached the females on their statements?

I urge you to read Dennis Prager and Stein who have written extensively on the shenanigans that occurred during this blown out of context fiasco.

Stein said:
&quot;A society that looses the state to criminalize schoolroom horseplay is guilty not only of punishing children as grown-ups but of the infantilization of the entire citizenry.&quot;

You guys just do not get it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What you fail to realize is the quote says; &#8220;ACCUSED&#8221;.</p>
<p>Was that before or after the police coached the females on their statements?</p>
<p>I urge you to read Dennis Prager and Stein who have written extensively on the shenanigans that occurred during this blown out of context fiasco.</p>
<p>Stein said:<br />
&#8220;A society that looses the state to criminalize schoolroom horseplay is guilty not only of punishing children as grown-ups but of the infantilization of the entire citizenry.&#8221;</p>
<p>You guys just do not get it.</p>
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		<title>By: chapoutier</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2007/08/20/charges-dismissed-against-behind-swatting-boys/comment-page-1/#comment-118983</link>
		<dc:creator>chapoutier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 15:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ScottyDog,

Seriously do you even bother reading the articles?  A direct quote from the actual article, not MM&#039;s spin on it:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Two 13-year-old boys accused of slapping girls’ bottoms and poking or cupping girls’ breasts &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Was there something else you feel I cited that was factually incorrect?  Please say what that is because right now you are 0 for 1.

Should this be a felony?  No.  &lt;em&gt;Which both Rusty have said.&lt;/em&gt;  Is this &quot;innocent&quot; as you put it?  No.  It is incredibly inappropriate behavior by boys old enough to know better.

So IMHO you should probably not post unless you have something intelligent to say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ScottyDog,</p>
<p>Seriously do you even bother reading the articles?  A direct quote from the actual article, not MM&#8217;s spin on it:</p>
<blockquote><p>Two 13-year-old boys accused of slapping girls’ bottoms and poking or cupping girls’ breasts </p></blockquote>
<p>Was there something else you feel I cited that was factually incorrect?  Please say what that is because right now you are 0 for 1.</p>
<p>Should this be a felony?  No.  <em>Which both Rusty have said.</em>  Is this &#8220;innocent&#8221; as you put it?  No.  It is incredibly inappropriate behavior by boys old enough to know better.</p>
<p>So IMHO you should probably not post unless you have something intelligent to say.</p>
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		<title>By: Rusty</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2007/08/20/charges-dismissed-against-behind-swatting-boys/comment-page-1/#comment-118974</link>
		<dc:creator>Rusty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 15:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Innocent touching? The girls claimed that they were touched against their will on the breasts and buttocks. That isn&#039;t innocent!

And 13-yr-olds should be given the benefit of the doubt, but to call them children is ridiculous. They aren&#039;t babes in the woods. They&#039;re teenagers who should have an idea of what&#039;s appropriate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Innocent touching? The girls claimed that they were touched against their will on the breasts and buttocks. That isn&#8217;t innocent!</p>
<p>And 13-yr-olds should be given the benefit of the doubt, but to call them children is ridiculous. They aren&#8217;t babes in the woods. They&#8217;re teenagers who should have an idea of what&#8217;s appropriate.</p>
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		<title>By: ScottyDog</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2007/08/20/charges-dismissed-against-behind-swatting-boys/comment-page-1/#comment-118947</link>
		<dc:creator>ScottyDog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 15:04:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rusty &amp; chapoutier 

IMHO you are so brainwashed by liberal indoctrination you cannot see the forest for the trees.

When did an innocent touching of a female child by another male child become a Felony.

This is nothing more than another example of creating the victim mentality the liberals have been successful in creating in the minds of Americans.

From reading your posts you suffer from it too. 

Boys=Bad 
Girls=Innocent Victims

You keep citing things that did not happen and start talking about cupping breasts ect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rusty &amp; chapoutier </p>
<p>IMHO you are so brainwashed by liberal indoctrination you cannot see the forest for the trees.</p>
<p>When did an innocent touching of a female child by another male child become a Felony.</p>
<p>This is nothing more than another example of creating the victim mentality the liberals have been successful in creating in the minds of Americans.</p>
<p>From reading your posts you suffer from it too. </p>
<p>Boys=Bad<br />
Girls=Innocent Victims</p>
<p>You keep citing things that did not happen and start talking about cupping breasts ect.</p>
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		<title>By: Rusty</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2007/08/20/charges-dismissed-against-behind-swatting-boys/comment-page-1/#comment-118799</link>
		<dc:creator>Rusty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 04:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RZ, calm down. 17 and 18 year olds are treated as adults everywhere for felonies. I hate the hypothetical family member argument, but others have mentioned that if their daughters were assaulted like this, they&#039;d be read to throw punches.

Comparing toddlers to teenagers is the stupidest thing I&#039;ve read on this site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RZ, calm down. 17 and 18 year olds are treated as adults everywhere for felonies. I hate the hypothetical family member argument, but others have mentioned that if their daughters were assaulted like this, they&#8217;d be read to throw punches.</p>
<p>Comparing toddlers to teenagers is the stupidest thing I&#8217;ve read on this site.</p>
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		<title>By: Overlawyered</title>
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		<dc:creator>Overlawyered</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 02:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;August 22 roundup...&lt;/strong&gt;

Criminal charges dropped against Oregon 13-year-olds over fanny-swatting in school corridors [CBSNews.com, Malkin, KGW.com and AP; earlier] Elasticity of &quot;medical error&quot; concept: Medicare will stop paying hospitals for treatment of &quot;reasonably preve...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>August 22 roundup&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Criminal charges dropped against Oregon 13-year-olds over fanny-swatting in school corridors [CBSNews.com, Malkin, KGW.com and AP; earlier] Elasticity of &#8220;medical error&#8221; concept: Medicare will stop paying hospitals for treatment of &#8220;reasonably preve&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Chief RZ</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2007/08/20/charges-dismissed-against-behind-swatting-boys/comment-page-1/#comment-118758</link>
		<dc:creator>Chief RZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 01:19:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This crosses the line with minors and adults.  If a 13 year old actually kills another person, would they be charged as an adult?  Up until age 17 or 18, children are in JV courts.  Parents are responsible for their behaviors.  How young does this go?  Two year olds rolling around in the playpen end up on top of another... sexual assault?!!  Insane femiNAZIs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This crosses the line with minors and adults.  If a 13 year old actually kills another person, would they be charged as an adult?  Up until age 17 or 18, children are in JV courts.  Parents are responsible for their behaviors.  How young does this go?  Two year olds rolling around in the playpen end up on top of another&#8230; sexual assault?!!  Insane femiNAZIs.</p>
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