Michael Vick: “What I did was totally immature and so that means I need to grow up”
The press conference is live: Apologizes to everyone. “I’m totally responsible.” Rejects pointing fingers and blaming others. “Dogfighting is a terrible thing. Through this situation, I found Jesus. I ask him for forgiveness and turn myself over to God…I offer my deepest apologies to everyone in the world who was affected by this…”
Addresses all the young kids: “Use me as an example to make better judgments and better decisions…I will redeem myself. I have to.”
No questions taken.
Here’s the latest on his guilty plea entered this morning.
Go ahead and weigh in.
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And here’s another apologia from a Newsday columnist playing the race card on Vick’s behalf.
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Better late than never to admit that what he did was a travesty; although with all “prison conversions,” I have to wonder about the sincerity. Would Vick have had a “Come to Jesus” moment in the absence of getting caught?
I always marvel at professional athletes who can’t keep themselves on a straight line during their careers. Someone like Vick gets such a deal: millions of dollars for a career that on average lasts for just a few years. All he had to do was behave himself for that interval, and he’d come away with more money than most of us would ever dream of….
But no. He throws it all away: the money, the career, and his freedom. Incredible.
Give me a break. I am sick of all these idiot (Paris) claiming to have found religion when they get in trouble. It cheapens true faith.
He’ll have plenty of time for Bible studies now.
Les Payne, BTW, defended Tawana Brawley and Al Sharpton, so it’s no shock to see him playing the race card.
It’s the only game he knows.
The sports blogger MJD made a good point. If this were shark-fighting, we’d all be excited and drop $50 on a pay-per-view. The biggest mistake Vick made was fighting animals that most of America thinks of as cute.
Of course, other than the gambling aspect (which is of course a huge deal), what Vick did wasn’t much different than someone (say, for example, Cheney) hunting birds for sport. Hopefully this Vick situation will mean putting all animal cruelty in a sharper focus.
Let’s see….dead dogs and the media swoons, make it a stiff sentence….dead babies (abortions, partial, etc.) and the media yawns…pro choice heh
I’ll beleive in his contrition as soon as he donates millions to the SPCA. But if he gives i to PETA, then forget it/
On the upside, he found Jesus and not muhommed. So at least for now he sounds contrite, and there is probably some rehab in his future (frankly I’m surprised he hasn’t pulled that one already). The Last thing we need is another reformed born again muslim as a role model for the children.
Then again, he hasn’t met the prison imam yet.
I’m so tired of hearing this line. This is what happens when you practice moral equivalance on a constant basis, you stop being able to tell right from wrong.
at least this time you could see the stupid race players for what they were
His only sorrow was for being caught. What a squandered opportunity.
Taylor, I know its wrong. It’s 100% wrong and I am glad that practioners of dogfighting are going to jail.
Hunting for sport is also wrong and should be prosecuted as animal cruelty. Moral equivalence? Hardly. I just think if people really cared about animals they wouldn’t condemn dogfighting while supporting killing a defenseless bird with a shotgun or whipping a horse until its leg breaks and it has to be put down.
Rusty – as someone who lives in a state where hunting is a big deal, this statement is both ignorante and erroneous.
Hunters hunt to kill quickly and efficiently. A hunter will tell you that their goal is one shot = one kill, and a quick death for the animal. Hunting in general (I cannot specifically speak for Cheney’s hunting) is meant to get food and reduce populations of animals (i.e., deer) that would otherwise starve to death (far less humane than hunting, don’t you think?)
Vick and his organization, on the other hand, routinely engaged in systematic and painful abuse of dogs (including the electrocution of at least one). Dogfighting in and of itself is brutal and violent – and far longer in length than the fraction of a second of a shut in hunting. Couple that with the abuse inadequate or losing dogs received, and there’s a vast difference.
It’s easy to read a Lawyer prepared statement after you’re busted and in the corner, the only thing he’s sorry for at this point is getting caught. I’m sorry but his little speech didn’t sell me. Heres my advice to these morons that have more money than brains. Go out, buy a nice boat and take some kids fishing. Geez, with 22 million in a signing bonus you may have been able to buy the Intrepid. I gaurantee you’ll have way more fun than anything illegal.
The goal is of a quick kill is anything but admirable. It’s still killing an animal for no purpose. I’m a meat eater so I understand the need to kill for food or fur or anything like that. I’m no hard-liner. But just for fun? Really? That seems like a psychotic way to get your kicks.
Cheney’s hunting accident was at a resort where animals are stocked in a pen. They’re not even wild! The whole purpose of their existence is to be killed at the pleasure of others. This is especially bad.
It just seems like there’s a bizarre disconnect between Vick’s evil actions and things like hunting and horse racing and other forms of cruelty. And, if it were any animal other than dogs, Vick wouldn’t be in nearly as much hot water because people wouldn’t care. That’s depressing.
Clearly you forgot what happened to the Vikings when they went out on a boat.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Minnesota_Vikings_boat_cruise_scandal
Michael Vick deserves to be punished, but as an NFL fan, I am saddened that he did this. I held out hope from a biased perspective that he was innocent, as I did with OJ.
http://blacktygrrrr.wordpress.com/2007/08/21/i-wanted-vick-and-oj-to-be-innocent/
Respectfully,
eric
LMAO!! Nice reminder, Taylork.
The key word was take some KIDS fishing taylork, not booze, drugs and Hookers like the Vikings did.
“All Dogs Go to Heaven”?……he may just meet those pitbulls again.
See who gets tackled and WINS.
So what’s new with the Korean hostages?
This just goes to show the value of good, quality parents. Michael and his brother Marcus obviously didn’t have good parents. I live near the Vicks’ neighborhood and the McDonald’s where Marcus Vick was wielding his handgun. And I’ve driven by the “dog fighting house” from time to time. Being near these things makes it real for me. What if I’d been at that restaurant with my daughter when Marcus was waving a gun around? It’s one thing to see these things unfold on T.V. or read about them in the papers. It is another thing to actually have to worry about this type of person in your community. This is why all parents need to be the role models for their children, not athletes.
Bottom line is he’s just a Dumbass.
I could care less if Vick found JESUS. My Faith has nothing to do with him or the latest rash of dimocrap candidates going to church to woo gullible people.
As for hunting = dog fighting, heh, not!
So Rusty, if a cow or pig is raised to be killed for your Labor day BBQ, that’s ok, but game birds raised to be killed for sport and then served with rice pilaf and a good wine is bad?
If wildlife isn’t controlled by hunters (feeding thier families and many other hungry people through the “share the harvest” programs in addition to the sport), there is overpopulation, mass starvation (with the potential of the spread of disease through many rotting corpses) and as with the the mountain lion population in California, the hiring at taxpayer expense, professional hunters to cull the population.
Like it or not, humans are at the top of the food chain, and with that position is a responsability to care for and preserve the other species. And utilizing hunter harvest (and the millions of hunter license fees to retain habitat) is part of our tools avaialbe to care for all of the wildlife.
Dog fighting on the other hand, is cruel and serves no purpose other than blood lust recreation similar to cage fighting, with the exception that the cage fighters choose to participate, and those that choose not to no longer participate or those that lose a fight aren’t electrocuted or drowned.
It’s much more than simply finding dogs “cute”. Their species has helped our for untold thousands of years, from serving as guards to finding lost children. Also, since we’ve effectively hijacked their evolution (through selective breeding) to serve our own ends we owe them a moral debt… one we do not owe to sharks.
First let me note how only a truly deranged mind, one bereft of all perspective, sees some kind of partisan point to be made here.
And that you can’t see the difference between shooting a wild animal dead and the long-term, deliberate abuse of a domestic one says a lot more about you than it does about Dick Cheney.
Again, you put your ignorance on display for all of us. I’ve been involved in shooting sports for 25 years and I have never met one single person who kills animals “just for fun”.
I’d also like to point out what a self-righteous hypocrite you are. You really have no problems with animals being killed per se, even on your behalf, as long as someone else does all the dirty work. As soon as someone is willing to do that work themselves you dismiss them as “psychotic”.
Here’s another place your moral compass is hoplessly out of whack. You specifically note that you have no problem with fur. So to raise an animal for no other purpose than to skin it is just fine, but to kill a wild animal and eat it makes one insane. You can’t even follow your own internal logic.
Given the nature of your past writings I suspect that you just hate weapons, period, and in your mind anyone who touches one must be some kind of nut.
It’s ok though. We’ll continue to feed and protect you while you stay on that absurd high-horse of yours.
What really disturbs me is Vick will do more time than O.J.Simpson.
ERIC,
You’re hopes came true with OJ, but I know what you really mean.
And Vick will be punished more severely than any athlete involved in sexual misconduct, too.
Ok, James, I specifically say that hunting for food is fine. Hunting for sport is not.
And partisan point? Not really. (If Kerry hit something on his little photo-op excursion in 2004, then he’s just as bad as Cheney.) I just used the most famous hunting incident of the last hundred years or so to point out that those birds were there specifically to be shot at. If their meat was donated to charity or something, then, fine, no problem. Killing animals for human use, including furs and leather, is a-ok. Killing them for no use other than sport, not so much. That’s why what Vick did was morally reprehensible. It’s also why horse racing and killing animals for the thrill of the hunt is morally reprehensible.
You’ve never met someone who doesn’t kill just for fun? That can’t be true. I’ve met plenty of fishermen and hunters who kill for sport. If you think hunters are going out because they feel its their duty to maintain animal control, you’re kidding yourself. They enjoy killing animals.
Englishqueen, great point. There’s a St. Louis Ram who killed someone in a drunk driving accident and got very little time. He’s back in the league after spending only 90 days in jail. He got nailed for another DUI a few years later. Clearly he is more of a threat than Vick.
The ONLY good thing about this “race card win” for Vick is now we don’t have to listen to (& see on O’Reilly) Sharpton and company for the next two months about how ….
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….well you know how that always ends.
Will someone post a list of which laws are important and which really aren’t? Please?
I am sencing a troll against hunters-
Don’t feed the troll!
Rusty’s a troll against everything not just hunters.. if MM said the world was round he’d say it was flat.
I’d say he’s got some pretty sick friends though if they are just hunting to kill animals. Here we have a rule.. you kill it… you eat it.
I know that I’m going against the grain here. The man did something dumb, and yes cruel. Yes, his apology hit all of the critical talking points but he seems genuinely contrite. I would be less forgiving if his crime had been against humans. I’m prepared to let him pay the price of his mistakes and try and win back his team and fans. I have done dumb things in my life and I’m grateful for those who gave me my second chances.
Thank you, Rusty. I hadn’t even thought about DUI’s.
Sorry, I didn’t realize you were so uniquely gifted as to be able to see into the minds of others and discern their true motives for doing things. Had I known you were omniscient I’d never have disagreed with you in the first place.
Your arrogance astounds.
At the bottom line, an animal that is killed neither know nor cares why it is being killed. The chicken on your plate and the deer on mine are both equally dead. The only difference is in who pulled the trigger. Hunters do it themselves, you pay someone to do it for you.
I don’t think immature is an accurate adjective to describe Vick’s behavior. Sick and depraved are much better at describing what Vick did.
I must be cynical, but I believe Vick is sorry he got caught, not for what he did to those animals. Vick lost his career and lots of money. I am sure he has an immense amount of remorse over that.
Same rule every hunter I’ve ever met abides by. The sole exception is varmint hunting.. which is also done not for pleasure but to control harmful animals.
Comparing Dog Fighting to Hunting and Fishing is almost the most ridicules thing I have ever heard.
That’s an interesting point about Vick doing more time than O.J. I hadn’t really thought about it in those terms. It doesn’t surprise me, though. In some states, you can serve more time for stealing cable than for rape. That’s what happens when you give judges too much say in sentencing. Our criminal justice system is really a mess.
BTW, Topping that list this year goes to the Harry “Tommy” Reid story..
Vick is going to jail. No one but Vick is to blame. Race had nothing to do with it, since nearly everyone involved was black. Had none of these black persons done what they did, none of them would be going to jail.
Now, as I read the plea bargain, he admitted to killing dogs, and to participating in illegal gambling. The first will keep his face in the news when he tries to return; the second will keep him out of football for much longer than people think.
Maybe, just maybe, now, owners will take a closer look at the behavior of people before giving them $130 million.
Here’s a question. Would PETA and the left have a problem with Vick if he’d been helping pregnant dogs have abortions instead of dog fighting? I mean, they think it’s o.k. to kill an unborn child, but not a dog. Don’t get me wrong, here. I absolutely hate what he did. I just wanted to point out their hypocrisy and selective outrage. I, on the other hand, am outraged at both abortion and dog fighting.
So, apparently he “found God”.
I hope he finds out that God owns fifteen pit bulls.
Leonard Little killed a person, not a dog, but he only had to spend ninety days in jail for it–and Ray Lewis only got a suspended sentence for two human deaths.
They all can be trumped if you are a Senator – say, Kennedy.
James, you don’t appreciate the mind of the liberal. It is not WHAT you do, it is your state of mind as you do it.
Liberalism is like some off-the-wall religious sect where salvation exists only for those who fully embrace the liberal pieties. Those who accept liberalism will be saved, the rest of us are heathens who are doomed to hellfire. It’s salvation through faith. Actual behavior is not that important.
Not surprising, since OJ was never convicted or pled guilty to a crime.
Not really. Disagreement does not equal trolling. And I often have no problem with MM’s views. It’s just that I often disagree with the commenters who tend to be a little more extreme in either their tone or their beliefs than the the hostess of this blog.
I think the public outrage against Vick and the long prison sentence to follow says a lot about double-standards. Killing and raping humans is something that everyone can agree is exponentially worse than killing an animal. Yet Vick’s sentence will be longer than many guilty of similar crimes. Meanwhile, the deaths of other animals are considered ho-hum. Although horse racing may not be as extreme as dogfighting, many horses are killed in that sport. No outrage.
There is no question that what Vick was doing was morally and legally out-of-bounds. But many, including some of his NFL peers, have done worse to humans. No outrage there. Maybe we’re a bit too concerned with dogs.
I too am tired of this statement. Libs know that there’s a difference, but they are trying to do their best to compare conservatives (I’m gonna go out on a limb and say that not too many libs hunt) to scum like Vick. The new liberal mindset is to slander and denegrate conservatives at every possible opportunity, no matter how faulty the logic and having the MSM in their pocket means no one but us bloggers challenges them on their stupid points.
He is now a convicted felon.
May his resurrection as a new man of Faith be fruitful. But for now, he’s going to do time.
I don’t care if he is sorry. It means nothing to me. I do hope he seeks forgiveness from his family members who are trying to live right. That is the honorable thing to do because it requires more than just him asking for it- he has to live up to something besides his football contract.
Extrapolating about how serious his offense is relative to other crimes committed by criminals playing in the NFL means even less.
There are so many dog fights going on in the East Bay area every night that Vick’s case is a small drop in a very large bucket nationwide.
And cock rooster fighting is even more prevalent. Chickens are lower maintenance I hear.
Has there been much attention placed up the food chain above Vick? This all begins and ends with Vick?
There’s more to the story if out east is anything like it is out here.
Gambling on dog fights and cock fights is just one more form of corruption in California that has followed our illegal guests from Mexico. It is a cash river that winds and turns in and out of high places.
Earnings from the gambling are astounding- astounding enough for a lot of officials to look the other way.
But we don’t have the juevos rancheros to secure our borders, so why should the locals, states, and feds, enforce laws that forbid these blood sports?
Final point: Rusty- I’ve hunted and used animals for sustenance for a long time.
There is right way and a wrong way.
Earning cash by using dogs for blood sport is wrong in many ways, not the least is disposing of a dog that has outlived its usefulness.
Anyone who would vault into harangues about Cheney et al has never seen somebody put down a dog by hanging or electrocution.
Shooting a “defenseless bird” and putting down a crazed, damaged fighting dog are fundamentally different in kind.
But you seem to have your head tuned so deeply into the Chocolate Channel that you allow yourself the patent absurdities you are foisting upon us here.
The world you are living in must require a lot of duct tape to keep your head from exploding. No?
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RE: Newsday Columnist Payne apologist. Un-freakin’-believable. He referenced everyone in this damn article to lay blame on but Mother Teresa. What an absolute hack. (PS. Bush did it).
When it comes to taking advantage or killing, abusing the defenseless (E.g children, handicap, seniors, or animals,)- in that order… You are a thug, plain and simple. No amount of Finding God , or lessons learned can justify your absence of a conscious.
The race card, an absolute insult to every decent human being. Period.
If it didn’t dawn on you from the beginning, that treating animals or people this way IS wrong …all your apologizing and groveling to save your tukis is a disingenuous ploy at BEST.
Absolute nonsense (next thing you know he will be entering rehab for an alcohol dependency).
He is one sorry excuse for a human being.
Two things that are seldom mentioned about hunting is that it is frequently used to prevent overcrowding of wildlife in our parks and wilderness areas and that licensing fees are often dedicated to conservation programs. I’m not a hunter but I do believe in conservation.
On August 27th, 2007 at 2:26 pm, nbarry said:
Two things that are seldom mentioned about hunting is that it is frequently used to prevent overcrowding of wildlife in our parks and wilderness areas and that licensing fees are often dedicated to conservation programs. I’m not a hunter but I do believe in conservation.
VERY true. I would never hunt. Ever. Just not in me. But you are so true. Some animals, if population is left to increase will starve to death. As long as you are a responsible hunter..ok with me.
Hunting cannot be reasonably compared to dog fighting. WIth responsible hunting there is no intent to torture and mutilate animals.
This Vick person broke the law and he should pay. Of course, since he is a celebrity, I doubt if his penalty will be anything like a “regular” person. I think the only reason he’s likely to be punished at all is because he killed dogs, not people.
Found guilty in a civil court for wrongful death. Smart jury.
I’m sick and tired of criminals finding religion after they have been caught doing something wrong. This is a transparent ploy for leniency that should not fool anyone.
All,
I am a Dog Lover and I was angry, I have worked through the anger part, and am now at the sad part. Michael Vick used the word “redeem” whether a lawyer wrote it or not, he used it, he is putting his feet down on the path toward redemption. This is turning into one HUGE life lesson for him, I hope he comes out the other end a better person.
The Dogfighting subculture is NOT a SMALL ONE, right now Michael Vick, gets to be the FACE of Dogfighting and animal cruelty- why Media. Still this practice is going on in America right now, is this going to put an end to it? NO!
I hope people can separate how they feel, from how they think. Many can’t relate, I can’t, I am trying to understand. What reason could there be? My speculation is, that he objectified dogs and compartmentalized his behavior towards them. That isn’t an excuse, I am trying to understand. In the end for the Dogs, for Michael Vick, it is just SAD, what a waste all around.
Not to split hairs but he was found RESPONSIBLE not GUILTY in civil court.
Crime = Guilty , CIVIL = RESPONSIBLE
Now I can just hear that undefeated Miami team from the 70s crying in their soup and cursing Vick when the Seattle Seahawks are 15-0 and the last game on our schedule is the Falcons. lmao.
a person can dream can’t they?
sheesh with the talk of Hunting.
This isn’t about hunting.
This isn’t about OJ.
This isn’t about anything other than Vick and what he did.
No need for comparisons.
So many busy bodies.
He committed crimes. He should and will be prosecuted. End of Story. And no sympathy whatsoever for the creep.
On the issue of people being caught doing wrong and citing religious awakening or a decision to go into recovery/rehab….
I don’t like people taking swipes at recovery and/or rehab in the process of piling onto Vick’s bad play. Yes, some people hide behind it. Most don’t if they are serious about recognizing that their lives have become unmanageable.
I hope Vick does admit at some point that his life has become unmanageable. He has a long life ahead of himself and much to prove if he wants any semblance of a life back.
He’s going to prison. He should be getting ready to start the NFL season.
Ooops. Life out of control. Something is wrong. Go get it fixed, Mike.
Millions of us out here have been down the same road as Vick. We made a commitment to change our lives, a change that has benefited and helped our families.
Yes, I know, there are the virtuous ones among you who haven’t had to do that kind of work on themselves or straighten out any kind of intergenerational dysfunctions which have impacted you directly. And praise is due to you that you have lived a clean and prosperous life.
But do you really need to impale the rest of us on the end of a very broad brush?
Just because Vick acted like a piece of filth, and might eventually identify some kind of addictive complex that is holding his criminal life together (a life led in secret), I don’t think it means that he is trying to place blame on somebody or something else other than himself.
It’s Vick’s life. It will be resolved as he chooses. There are a lot of good tools out there to help him get back in the game (but not the NFL).
I had to fix my life at one point long ago. Get back on track. And it required admitting some mistakes and taking corrective action which will never end.
Fortunately for me, I didn’t lose everything and everybody I had worked for.
But I was certainly headed to that dead end. I took action, and admitted to my “world” and all the people in it why I had to do it…. or die.
I am glad I did it. I was chided by some detractors who thought I just made excuses by admitting why and how I fell so far and as fast as I did. They said I wasn’t taking responsibility. I was blaming something else for my failures.
But they were wrong. No one can rationally judge sincerity *BEFORE* one delivers on ones commitment to change, heal, or grow. I didn’t fault my detractors. I am glad I didn’t.
They came around in time. They ended up apologizing for their ridicule of my choice to dry out, clean up, and fly right.
I “get” why Vick did what he did. But I also get there is no reason for us to dismiss a very large population of Americans who screw up their lives with addictions and have to recycle themselves back into society through rehab and other pathways that encourage doing what is right everyday.
Let’s see if Vick gets up off the deck. If he has to use rehab and/or some kind of recovery service to do it, then i say more power to him for having the guts to go into it and achieve something.
Millions of us have.
Error- oh, so he isnt a convicted felon then?
I think if they threw the @$$hole in a pit with five or six of his own dogs, (unfed for a couple days), then he would find God. Until then I don’t want to hear it. It would be justice.
you gotta point 2niner!
Bear, good point and thanks for sharing. If Vick (truly) sees the light and ends up becoming an advocate against dogfighting, then surely dog and animal lovers (as well as football fans) can forgive him.
We can’t turn the clock back, we can’t undue the harm, we can’t get all those dogs back and into good situations.
There is this anger and it has no place to go, it doesn’t resolve anything. I have moved to the next step, grieving is that sympathy? Yes for all God’s Creatures. Who is beyond redemption?
This is about Dogfighting and cruelty to animals, again this doesn’t stop the practice, going on in our country right now. Time to lean forward if people really want the practice to stop- I am not sure it can be stopped! Michael Vick, is going to get sorted out that is certain. What about all the others?
Maybe he’ll finish his degree now.
I don’t buy anyone “finding Jesus” right before their sentencing. If he’s exhibiting faith and maturity when he’s been out of prison for a few months…
So, if he becomes an advocate against dog fighting he can be forgiven.
Not sure things work that way in this world, Rusty.
I don’t need to forgive him. I am a football fan and a dog lover. I don’t need to forgive him. He doesn’t need my forgiveness.
Most of us don’t care. Who am I to hold some grudge or resentment toward him for what he chose to do?
He’s always shown himself to be an immature narcisstic gimme.
If Vick “truly” sees any light is not my concern. It matters zero in my universe.
Recipe for celebrity/sports personality bad behavior:
1. deny it
2. admit it (after evidence proves you did it), but claim it wasn’t your fault
3. Find Jesus
4. Check into rehab
So Mike has finished step 3. Will he check into rehab before, or after his prison sentence?
Bear1909, at least for myself, the reference to Mike Vick going into rehab is a jab at the almost knee jerk reaction that celbrities have for saying they are going into rehab when caught in a bad light. Mel Gibson goes on an anti-semitic tirade and his answer is rehab, Paris, Lindsay, Britney use rehab as a place to hide from the media for a day or two between binges.
Rehab has it’s place in society and has saved/resurrected many lives that were headed to disaster and should be shown in a positive light. Not as a celebrity scape goat for when the media catches them on the wrong side of the fence so to speak.
If they were to actually go to rehab, follow the program to completion and turn their lives around (as many have), then I for one have no problem with them playing the rehab card at press conferences.
But finding God and going into rehab until the spotlight moves makes me ill.
Agreed. If GOD forgives him, good enough. He will not have to do a thing to “earn” it.
He needs no forgivness from man.
Walterc,
Goes back to who is advising him. About the Jesus remark, that might not be for our consumption. That remark might be targeted for another “Quarter” NFL? There are layers to Michael Vick’s problems.
If anyone gets sucked in to this idiot’s phoney mea culpa, well, I guess that’d be your bad (whatever that means). Who on erf would want this sub-human anywhere near their homes or families? If he couldn’t run as fast as he can, he’d a been in the slammer years ago. I’ll be raising a glass to him tonight…
Bottom Line You can take the boy out of the Ghetto but, you can’t take the Ghetto out of the boy.
“Where Michael Vick Grew Up, Neighbor Says, ‘People Out Here Fight Dogs All the Time’”
It’s strange how we value brain development in the animal kingdom. If Vick was engaged in cock roach fighting, everybody wouldn’t care less. Kill a human, go see old sparkey; kill a deer, enjoy your venison steaks, kill a dog, go to jail; kill a mesquito, who cares?
I don’t condone dog fighting, but it wouldn’t bother me if all pit bulls were put to sleep. I’m tired of hearing of children and old people that these dogs mutilate on a daily basis.
Maybe we can lighten up on Vick just a little.
#79 Michael Vick’s actions are exactly what creates these animals to be mean.
On August 27th, 2007 at 4:30 pm, orlandocajun said:
So you’re saying you equate smoked insects and humans? Hmm…
Not at all but when hunter are licensed to hunt they don’t bet on it, the kill is for food or fur. Dog fighting is illegal in 50 states and a felony in 48. It is a barbaric so called sport brought to this country from other culture primarily hispanic the same as cock fighting. It is primarily done in poorer cultures.
The 2 don’t equate.
On August 27th, 2007 at 4:58 pm, xler8bmw said:
Not at all but when hunter are licensed to hunt they don’t bet on it, the kill is for food or fur. Dog fighting is illegal in 50 states and a felony in 48. It is a barbaric so called sport brought to this country from other culture primarily hispanic the same as cock fighting. It is primarily done in poorer cultures.
The 2 don’t equate.
I was asking orlandocajun about equating humans and tasty insects, not xler8bmw…
alright take it easy if you look at how you wrote it didn’t distiguish whom you were asking.
Take it easy? I’m not mad, just letting you know I wasn’t referrencing you. Read it again. It starts with:
On August 27th, 2007 at 4:30 pm, orlandocajun said:
Peace…
I’d be willing to bet that if Vick has had any Bible training in his past that he is living out the “Prodigal Son” parable to a T…a New Testament favorite to many a “bad boy” out there.
A classic fall from grace.
Vick must be embarassed as hell about all this. If he has any pride at all, how could he not be?
Hasn’t worked out like he planned it. Lotsa gravy trains dryin up.
#85 cool either way his analogy a little off kilter.
My head hurts. Dog fighting is NOT the same as hunting. Apart from the fighting, which is reprehensible, what about punishing the the “losers”? You don’t electrocute, strangle or drown deer, do you? As to “finding Jesus,” I’d say it took a remarkable set of circumstances for Michael Vick to start looking.
#87
Lol. And how…
If you think dog fighting is brutal; what with dogs ripping each other apart, death and blood, try working in an abortion clinic. That’s legal.
The ancient Jewish writings read animal spirits give account to G-d about their owners. Good luck Vick.
The Gaurds at this years ‘Inmates vs Gaurds’ 25th annual football game arent happy.
JWS, I said no such thing. I’d try to explain myself, but I don’t think that you’d get it.
Gimme 30 on the ‘mates
Hey, orlando, are you an ignorant ass or a troll?
On August 27th, 2007 at 4:30 pm, orlandocajun said:
It’s strange how we value brain development in the animal kingdom. If Vick was engaged in cock roach fighting, everybody wouldn’t care less. Kill a human, go see old sparkey; kill a deer, enjoy your venison steaks, kill a dog, go to jail; kill a mesquito, who cares?
I don’t condone dog fighting, but it wouldn’t bother me if all pit bulls were put to sleep. I’m tired of hearing of children and old people that these dogs mutilate on a daily basis.
Maybe we can lighten up on Vick just a little.
You clearly imply that you think it strange that killing a human sends you to your death but killing a mosquito is no big deal. What is so strange about the pecking order? And for the last time-legally hunting a deer is not equal to torturing a dog…
On August 27th, 2007 at 6:27 pm, bear1909 said:
“…Gimme 30 on the ‘mates…”
I’ll give you 10 to 1 he’s a star and welcomed with open arms…