Geraldo Rivera unhinged
Update 9/9: The idiocy continues.
Update 9/6: Liberal logic. Rivera threatens to spit on me. Ergo, I am the Worst Person in the World.
The Boston Globe has a fawning Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous-ish profile of Fox News Channel’s Geraldo Rivera. In between musing about his favorite pair of soft Uggs (“I’ve worn these in Tora Bora and Somalia,” he says, admiring the suede slip-ons with the sheepskin lining. “They’re so comfortable. I love them.”), his “36-foot Hinckley powerboat,” and his massive estates (including “Seagate, the spectacular, 10-bedroom estate he bought several years ago with his fourth wife” and another “Kennedy-esque compound” with his current wife), he spews this:
Rivera, who as a fledgling lawyer in the ’70s counseled the Puerto Rican nationalist group the Young Lords, says he can’t stomach the politicians and pundits who are stoking “anti-immigrant hysteria,” and his antipathy extends to some of his colleagues at Fox.
“Michelle Malkin is the most vile, hateful commentator I’ve ever met in my life,” he says. “She actually believes that neighbors should start snitching out neighbors, and we should be deporting people.
“It’s good she’s in D.C. and I’m in New York,” Rivera sneers. “I’d spit on her if I saw her.”
Ewwww!
Well, I suppose I should be grateful for the warning. Next time I’m up in New York, I’ll be sure to wear one of these:
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Who’s the hater? Allah holds up the mirror for the Geraldo-ists.
Flashback: Geraldo “cringes” every time I’m on Fox.
Flashback: Geraldo attacks again.
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All,
The Media has inserted “undocumented people” into our vocabulary but there is another word we don’t hear enough of and it is the answer, Attrition. I know at least one state has thought about it and it is way up on the Canadian Border, every American State is a Border State. This is a write up with some answers. We keep getting told you can’t deport 12 million people.
http://www.mnforsustain.org/cis%20attrition%20through%20enforcement%200406.htm
Don’t you worry about a thing Michelle; if that puke even dared to attempt spitting on you, I’d personally horse whip his whinning liberal @$$ all the way back to Puerto Rico. I’m sending another letter to FNC, and to Orielly about this cowards behavior.
Why does this remind me of when the hippies, tried to hit Anne Coulter with a Pie at a speaking engagement. What is the term for this kind of behavior- Juvenile.
Fox needs to held accountable on this. In fact, Fox needs to be held accountable for aiding, abetting and promoting a clown like Rivera in any way. The network gets a pass from right-leaning viewers (including me) on a lot of things but between their 24/7 coverage of Anna Nicole Smith and hour after hour about Larry Craig while practically ignoring Hsu they are edging toward becoming as ridiculous and irrelevant as Rivera.
Fox can’t take its viewership for granted forever. If they continue to “tabloidize” their news division out of sheer laziness and ratings pandering they’re going to find their core audience has given up on them just like we’ve given up on newspapers. Thank God for the internet.
God Bless Ann Coulter.
On September 1st, 2007 at 2:23 pm, DarkKnight said:
The latest polls I look at show Americans just want a solution as opposed to the Ann Coulter methodology of just rounding up people.
Yup, AJ and I’d say “rounding up people” is a solution – and a darn good one. Works every time it’s tried.
Laree #103, to take this a step further. It’s childish, but follows what some liberals and fringe groups believe they can do. Namely, insult and twist the facts. When that fails to win their argument – throw a pie.
Django #104
I don’t know that any of the cable news outlets, are figuring out what their audience want. In my case, live news and relevant news. Every time I turned on a channel with coverage of an English Princess, that has been dead for 10 years, this past week, I changed the channel. Substance and Content, why is that so difficult? I know it is 24/7 news cycle and yes there will be filler but there should be less of it. CNN and MSNBC are planning on counter programing for Fox News by running more things like Doc Blocks- canned programing. Christiane’s God’s Warriors got ratings so they think they will go this route. Nevermind that God’s Warriors was panned. Including by me!
I think the old medium- TV, better figure out fast, that the new medium the Internet is going to figure out how to by pass them completely. Viva La Internet. Below is the plan to counter program Fox News.
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117971197.html?categoryid=2526&cs=1
LGF is running a thread on this also. Lots of MM fans there, of course.
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=26882_Saturday_Afternoon_Open
24Klady,
In both cases, the hippies with the pie and Geraldo at a safe distance so he doesn’t have to follow through with his insult. I would call this Hit and Run. In Geraldo’s case, he is grown man, he doesn’t have any excuse.
I don’t know they should poll Liberals and ask, are manners part of your value system?
Fourth wife? Does anybody know if he has more wives than UBL?
Laree #110, you’re right. Many have grabbed the “moral authority” that if the country is not going the direction you believe it should, then you have the authority to sling accusations, sling untruths, call those that oppose you liars, racists, and nativists. Throwing pies and making threats to spit on those that disagree with you is taking a giant step toward something very ugly.
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I wish to join almeehan in his comment (#3):
“Don’t worry Michelle there are plenty of us who would wipe the spittal off of you but moreso stand between you two so he didn’t have the chance to do it.”
In some states spitting on someone is a chargeable fifth-degree assault offense. And threatening to commit a crime against another person is a terroristic threat. Maybe if Geraldo hadn’t failed out of the Bar he would know this. Hmmm…
Ya want any of us to break his nose again for you, Michelle? :p
jrlingreenbay in #97
and ajmontana a couple of places …
I see you had my back while I was gone …
Thanks to you both for helping me out on the polls thing …
I have been gone all day and just got back and saw Dark Knight’s response to my earlier posting questioning my statement …
I would need to do some searching as you did to respond with the actual numbers … I did not have the numbers off the top of my head which is why I stated it the way I did … but I was sure I recalled the general point correctly … Thanks again
Geraldo, like many of his ilk, put their ethnic group above their country and countrymen. Statistics and reason won’t sway him. More of us need to know and understand all of the costs of mass immigration, legal and illegal, and then VOTE, to win this battle.
I’ld like to meet Geraldo so I could throw a lemon pie in his puss or, even better, give him a knuckle sandwich. What the hell is Roger A at Fox thinking about putting this idiot on the air. It’s unbecoming of Fox. I despise Geraldo !!! He’s one of the biggest jerks on cable TV, right up there with Keith Oberman. Geraldo would fit right in on MSNBC.
I seem to remember that Geraldo did a lot of bragging about his children and, especially, his daughter. What would he do if someone threatened his daughter the same way he did Michelle? Or, his wife. Was that my imagination or am I confusing it with another on FOX?
Don’t know why BO, HC, and other Fox shows continue inviting him. I always DVR FF past any Geraldo segments.
I guess he improves ratings, especially when an adversary is a fellow guest.
Ban the man!
Little G is just bummed because Michelle is brighter than he and doesn’t bow down and kiss his behind.
If anyone threatened his family of females, unless it’s him, he’d do some serious damage.
FOX keeps him because he’s controversial….plain and simple.
O’Reilly is getting weak in the knees…what’s up with him?
The only TRUE conservatives on the airwaves…regularly…are Michelle, Ann Coulter, Mark Levin, Lou Dobbs, and Glenn Beck in MHO….with Tancredo not far behind.
Imagine that group handling the debates and running our country!
What a DREAM TEAM huh?!?!?
You said it, Gayle, Lou is my main cable-news man, he really looks out for us.
Glenn Beck is a plain and simple speaking kind of guy. Appeals to the not so politically astute crowd.
Watch him sometimes! He’s very appealing and down to earth.
Agreed
I wish I had time to watch them all.
Gayle #123 #125, I’ve been converted to watching Glenn Beck (No pun intended) out of sheer desperation to get away from the antics of Shep Smith. I watch Lou Dobbs too. Again, out of desperation to get fresh viewpoint and something that’s been more thoroughly investigated than what FOX and their little ribbon are recycling every hour. Used to love Shep, but every time I see him now all I can remember is his meltdown on the bridge in New Orleans aftr Katrina screaming into the camera about “where is FEMA, where are the rescue units.” The bloody idiot was stranded on the bridge himself, with no escape route available.
TrinityTim,
Would that be Trinity County, CA.
If so, we are neighbors and if, when (we could only hope) Geraldo comes here to salivate on the citizens, it will be a race to see who gets to him first, you or me.
Hang in there, Michelle, you have won the debate and he is just spitting sour grapes.
JP
Sorry but Lou Dobbs, isn’t a Conservative, he is however what Democrats were before the left was hijacked by radicals.
Long enough ago before Democrats became liberals and communists, the left was an ideology you might vehemently disagree with but when the chips were down (WWII) we all loved, preserved and protected our country together.
Now only the right does, the hijacked left wants totalitarianism because America is bad.
The term,Imigrant is for a person who legaly enters our country.(passport)
Ther are NO illegal imigrants.They are Foriegn Invaders.
Speakup #129, you’re right about Dobbs, but he has addressed the issue of outsourcing (long before anyone else had the nerve or cajones to do so) and has kept the pressure on about illegal aliens and how both parties have turned a blind eye for different reasons. At least he’s had the nerve to speak up on a cable network when it wasn’t considered by any other to do so. And, no, I don’t always agree with him but he’s kept the pressure up and the ones speaking out now are late to the dance. Worse, some decided to stay home and not address it at all.
JP #128
I wish. That’s beautiful country up there.
Unfortunately, I retired as a cop in Maryland, about 15 miles up I-95 from D.C. Then we moved to SE FL (hurricance ruined that idea) and have now ended up not too far from Charleston SC where the local cops just arrested the 2 Egytians with the bombs in their trunk.
But, if you hear that “The Coward” is coming your way let me know and I’ll do my best to get there. It’s only a 4 hour flight, give or take.
On the other hand, I am going to NYC in about 8 weeks. Who knows I jight get lucky and bump into him outside of FOX News and “bumping” is something I know how to do.
What you say is true and it just goes to show how far off track our political system has gone.
Both parties should own the illegal migration issue, the left for the jobs and the right for the lost sovereignty and just plain right versus wrong.
Many of both however have turned to greed as the primary motivator in they’re decision making and it’s up to us turn them back and get them on track again.
Dobbs is a lefty in many ways but he is not what I define as a liberal which in my little (which is teeny tiny) book of political understandings is a very different animal.
In my view RINO neocons and radical liberals have left a very large ugly mark on the American landscape.
#132 there is some interesting new news on those two goose creek bombers over on hotair.com
We’re talking twice warmed-over loser here. First he harbors fantasies of turning a debate into a physical altercation.
Worse, he has fantasies about doing so upon a female.
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Hey, Geraldo: If Michelle came running at you full-tilt brandishing a steak knife, maybe then you’d have the right to get physical. Short of self-defense, no respectable or self-respecting man ever resorts to physical violence of any kind against a woman.
It’s a “guy thing,” I thought you’d understand. You should be ashamed of yourself. But since you’re incapable of feeling shame, let me be ashamed for you.
A credit to your gender you are not.
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As for Michelle getting an unwanted saliva sample from such a saucy fellow, that’d be secondary among her concerns, I should think; she’d need to clear the area to avoid getting Geraldo’s blood on her, because if I wasn’t there to bleed him I’ve no doubt that somebody else would step up to the plate.
AJ,
You can also join the local discussion on these 2 clowns here:
http://www.charleston.net/news/2007/sep/01/florida_college_students_could_face_pris14723/#comments
Oops!!
How’d that happen?
“Al Capone’s EMPTY vault!” — GR
Very unprofessional. I will contact BOR. Bill is concerned about what DKos people say about politicians he should be concerned about what his colleagues say publicly about each other.
I think up until this point it was clear Michelle and Geraldo had a political disagreement about this issue. Geraldo has taken it beyond that now. While it is true I generally disagree with Geraldo I expect him to behave with more professionalism than he exhibited in this interview.
Was is not Geraldo who got headslapped by a wrestler many years ago? If so, it’s time to trot out that video.
If he tries spitting on Michelle in many of us here and he’d likely get a retake of that ‘moment of glory’. The attitude adjustment might just be worth the trouble for the headslapper.
Butt fat injected into his forehead? Isn’t he enough of a fathead to start with?
Geraldo you coward – you’re pretty brave talking to a liberal (i.e. supportive) reporter and talking about spitting on a woman (no wonder you’ve been divorced so often), but no challenges face – to – face because she could kick your sorry ass. As could most women I know.
Really Fox, what’s up?
So let me get this straight, he’s against notifiying the authorities about possible illegal activities “a la snitching on your neighbors” but is for spitting on someone with whom you have a verbal or political disagreement. Thank you very much, now I know why I don’t waste my time watching your pathetic show.
Hey Geraldo read this:
All you can do is threaten to spit on Mrs. Malkin, and compare her with Nazi’s. You can’t argue the issues because your ideas concerning illegal immigration don’t hold any water.
I can almost here more comments to follow from him like “It was taken out of context” or “I never said that” or “There was more to the story, he didnt print everything I said” etc, etc. etc. I’m almost positive he will try to “crapweasel” out of this one somehow or another. He should definetly apologize and at the very least buy her Caramel Mocha whatevers for a month.
I would agree with all who say Geraldo exhibits the traits of a crapweasel.
Aj, is Geraldo a crapweasel? How did he go from Al Capones Vault to crapweasel? What are the traits of the crapweasel? Why can’t he be a chupacabra?
/s/
jose
lol jose, I think maybe because chupacabra’s are myths and “crapweasels” are real?
Dark Knight? Dark Knight?
Did you see post #97
Bueller? Bueller?
What’s AMAZING is that Geraldo has a legal education, and holds himself out as a lawyer! Yet he cannot make a cogent, rational argument for his position! Jeez Luiz! Where did he get his law degree, the Brooklyn Upstairs Cosmetology and Legal Emporium?
As to his own personal and moral integrity, here’s a tally of his obsession with sexual conquest, taken from his own (largely unread) autobiography:
* Number of pages before Geraldo mentions his first conquest: 28 * Number of pages his first marriage lasts: 12 * Number of times he likens himself to Edward R. Murrow: 1 * Number of times he compares himself to William Kunstler: 1 * Number of women, identified by name, he says he slept with: 19 * Number of times sex with more than one woman (usually at the same time) is cited on the same page: 5 * Number of married women he mentions having flings with: 4 * Number of Geraldo marriages: 4 * Number of days he waited after the birth of his son to have a fling with a pair of coeds, whom he dubs ”the twins”: 2 * Number of times he fantasizes about Barbara Walters naked: 1 * Number of photos of the author included: 46
You can bet he names only the famous ones he shtupped: All the unknowns he seduced will never be known.
And let’s face it: he’s a MORAL LEPER. He’s a sociopath when it comes to WOMEN! He’s Bill Clinton to the nth!
It’s no wonder he wants to spit on Michelle: she won’t let him treat her like a SEXUAL spittoon!!
btw: his autobio, the aptly titled “Exposing Myself” is selling for as low a ONE CENT on Amazon. Ya GET whatcha PAY for!
Everyone should keep the pressure on him. There’s an incandescent, molten hot on-air MELTDOWN in this guy’s future.
AJ,
Check out this link. Someone is Texas has allegedly found a chupacabra.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,295481,00.html
I can’t verify the accuracy of the article but I can say it sure looks like Geraldo, “The Coward”
aj said
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Aj,
never mind trinitytim beat me to the punch!!!!
El chupacabra mustacio!!!
aka Fonzie Rivera
The stats from Geraldo’s autobio are from
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,316601,00.html
Michelle, you are my conservative sister-crocheting hero! Geraldo is a bad joke. You have more integrity in your little finger than he does in his whole being. America is a better place because you’re in it. Nearly everything Geraldo says or does is to glorify Geraldo, and that only cheapenscountry. Don’t pay any attention to him. And Geraldo, stay away from our truly beloved Michelle.
Geraldo is really an embarassment to TV. I mean even the venomous Katie Couric would not say that, would she?
1. Re vile and hateful; it seems to me that Geraldo is projecting in a big way.
2. Geraldo is probably suffering from has-been syndrome. Right now he only has his weekend show on Fox. That’s no joke – he’s used to more attention and probably alot more money.
3. Re number 2, above, here’s a theory: he wants back into the “mainstream media” and I suspect strongly that his attacks against Michelle, a substaintial, unapologetic conservative (what liberals dislike most) is a way to prove to liberal media powerbrokers that he really is “one of them”, something that needs some true theatrics after buddying up with O’Reilly. This is typical in the extreme. When the career of a shallow and conceited media personality begins to wane in this new century, you can bet that they’ll make some loud and desperate posturing to prove their liberal bias (and it unfortunately often works).
4. The remarks about snitching on neighbors and deporting people just about vaporizes what little credibility he might have had left. What is amazing is his lack of context in his own remarks. Would he have called “snitching” on Jessica Lumsford’s killer a bad thing? How about deporting the terrorists who murdered over 3,000 innocents within 90 minutes on September 11th? No, he’s all about Hispanics, but he can’t say that outright without looking like the bigot that he is. So he makes absurd generalizations to back up a personal attack which is grossly unwarrented.
Yes, Hispanic Geraldo Rivera. Caucasion/American Jerry Rivers when being Hispanic wasn’t hip. Conservative when he has no career, liberal when Fox gives him a chance and he wants to climb back up the ladder, spitting – or wanting to – on his Fox co-workers.
I agree that Fox should be told to give him the boot, and I’m writing a couple of e-mails myself right after this post. The fact is that Michelle is essentially a co-worker. It’s one thing to disagree, and rivalries make for good television, but the extent of this act of gross disrespect is intolerable. What a jerk. He has to go.
Polls and responses like this are meaningless in a media world of overwhelming media bias, because there is no way to distinquish how many responses are attributable to a well-educated extrapolation and how many are attributable to being misled by media spin. Polls like this are genuinely, utterly worthless if the purpose is to gauge the attitude of people well-educated on this issue, and how much value could a poll be if it isn’t?
Cat, that’s called a “push/pull” poll. That’s when the pollster sets up his poll so only 1 answer (the 1 he wants) is the only logical one. I had a congressman who would send me those (Jim Moran). I finally wrote him and told him to stop sending me that worthless nonsense. “You are supposed to represent us, not us represent you.” I moved since then and have a much better congressman.
Don’t mean to change the topic from GR, but what is the deal about Mexican trucks now being approved by BUSH to enter the US highways????
I am waiting for Michelle to post about yet another assault on the citizens.
Guess GR thinks that’s ok too….maybe he’ll hitch a ride on the turnip truck while interviewing the unlicensed drivers.
GM Gayle,
These trucks crossing over are not a picture of safety on our roadways either. From mechanical issues to tires, soon I fret we will here of tragic accidents involving these vehicles. My guess is Geraldo the spitter wouldnt drive one of his expensive cars anywhere near one of the bucket of bolts.
Sung to the tune of “Cops”
Bad boys, bad boys whatcha gunna do,
Whatcha gunna do for the spit you threw,
Bad boys bad boys a tappin you’re foot,
Whatcha gunna do now that you got the boot
Bad girl bad girl taken hsu’s donation
All this happened while you were on vacation.
Bad boys bad boys when ya gunna learn
Break the law and you’re gunna burn.
Bad boys bad girls la la la.
Hinkley makes power boats? I was to their boat yard about 12 years ago and do not recall their making power boats.
Sail boats, tons of upscale sail boats. I actually watched a brand new Hinkley destroy itself coming into Castine Harbor ME due to a bunch of yuppies that had no clue about tides and current… Power boats, no.
GM to you AJ!
Regarding the “Tonker” trucks….they don’t even pass the emissions test do they? If that’s the case, not one us should be required by law to have our vehicles inspected.
Am I missing something here???
If that IS the case, then one again the illegals have SPIT on us ….and we will pay dearly for it I believe.
I want ONE congressional leader to explain how this is possible and lawful.
(sound of crickets……)
There is absolutely no-way they can pass California emissions tests. I couldnt even register a harley here I won in Las Vegas because of that. Tell me that they pass and I would say u be smokin somtin. Also this doesnt even come close to the sewage being spewed in from TJ after it rains here and that has been happening for years! google it, I have to run out for a minute or I would link it for you. aj screaming as he walks out door seeing that it has rained. ARGHHHHHHHH!!!!!
So I gather we are now becoming a lawless society.
What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.
If not, then that is blatant discrimination! Lawsuits, here we come!!! (where’s the ACLU in all this muck?! Oh, that’s right..they’re for illegals too and breakin’ laws..)
Wash that sewer smell off – AJ – before coming back inside! LOL!
Good Morning all -
I see this conversation has continued throughout the day / night…lol.
Re-reading some of the postings…I wondered, has Geraldo been face-to-face on TV with Michelle? Or have they been in different studios?
#148, Yes baklava, I did see post #97… but thank you for making sure.
Well it seems no one here trusts the WSJ and NBC News on this issue. Fair. How about Fox… This is not a push pull.
In response to Post #97. Interesting Fox question that was asked in April as well that deserves to be mentioned.
Now, speaking of a “push poll-type question” (also asked by Fox News):
No… that wasn’t a loaded question! LOL
True, but this also includes blogs,
liberal and conservative.
By the way, Cat, how many people do you think have “well educated extrapolation” on this issue, and how many people do you think suffer from “media spin.”
More importantly, what exactly does it take in order to have a “well educated extrapolation?” Is one factor you have to read certain types of blogs? Or certain types of newspapers?
The reason why it’s not easy to differentiate between those who are “educated” on the issue and those who are not is because it becomes completely subjective. In addition, no matter what you know or don’t know (according to others), we all have a vote. It’s important that we be knowledgable about our vote, but we all have one vote all the same. Polling (whether you trust them or not) gives a nice insight into the viewpoint of the American people’s thoughts and mentality (say President Bush’s approval ratings for example).
That is why I believe it is important to ensure that we not just state what we believe and why we believe it, but also examine why others may feel differently (and not just blame media bias, etc.).
I think that no matter what, we all agree on one thing, spitting on people (or even the desire to) is never, ever, ever excusable. Ever.
What the left doesn’t want to talk about is the cost to the US, dollarwise and socially, of illegal immigration.
How many of our classrooms are pushed to the limit because illegals have a ‘right’ to attend our schools?
How many American or legal immigrant students are not admitted to a college because an illegal has taken their place?
How many of our hospital beds or doctors are not available for a US Citizen or legal immigrant because an illegal immigrant is taking up the space & time?
What other country in the world allows such benefits for criminal invaders of their borders? It is the most ridiculous and shameful aspect of our government policies, and it is all due to the liberal mindset.
I wonder if these morons that are calling in the bomb threats to wal-mart have to press 1 for english? and when they finally did get through if that person actually spoke english. I mean gee, how frustrating could that be!?
I would gladly defend you MM. He has already got his nose broke and I won’t even use a chair to do it!
Rivera is the type of emotional liberal who belongs on air America rather than Fox News. His behavior in Iraq was an abomination and his ignorant support for open borders is an embarassment to anybody with a brain.
O’Reilly has gotten sloppy in his show. It is almost like he is running an ad campaign for Geraldo. He needs to seek out someone else. My guess is that Geraldo is bombing and needs someone to prop up his ratings.
Look out Rivera! You’re talking about one of our favorite and most beloved heroes. I’ve respectfully disagreed with you in the past, but now you are personally treading on thin ice, buddy!
What a crude person. I never knew he was so closely associated with gangs. I have now lost all respect for this Al/JJ/GR race baiter. It is Illegal, criminal Aliens, stupid! It matters not from which country they snuck in from. Good citizens serve on juries, serve when called and report crimes to the authorities. I guess he has been associating with bad citizens and criminals too much lately.
Geraldo’s been a phoney since he showed us Al Capones secret vault! The only program I refuse to ever watch on Fox News, is his. Where’s my remote!!
The mind boggles. I have not read one hate-filled piece since I have been reading here. I don’t always agree with
some things, but after reading the piece, and the comments, I find that hate is not a part of this blog.
Oh, and one last snarkasm: Geraldo works at Fox because they need ‘balance.’ Air America can’t afford him unless they steal from Hillary Clinton.
Geraldo needs to be deported, perhaps to a nice Islamic republic like Iran. He’d look good sporting one of those blue neckties theyre famous for over there.
I’m getting tired of people saying that it is unrealistic to deport 12 million illegal aliens. Okay, then, let’s start wtih 1 million. That’s a pretty good start. Then let’s work on the 2nd million and so forth. I’ll bet by the 3rd million, illegal aliens will get the message that the US will not tolerate illegal immigration and the numbers will start going down. How about it, America?
crochetmama
I feel 99% positive that we need to deport all the criminal illegals as a starter …
then start prosecuting the businesses that are hiring the illegals in the first place …
the rest will gradually go home on their own because they won’t have jobs so they can send millions and millions of dollars back to their home countries while mooching food stamps, medical care and cash off of the American taxpayers …
We are looking forward to starting to enforce the new laws we passed here in Arizona regarding businesses hiring illegal aliens … multiple offenses can result in the business losing its licenses … no license … no business … no illegal workers …
We already are seeing an exodus of hundreds of the illegals … either back across the border or moving on to some other state …
Now … if all the states will enact such laws and enforce them the only place left for them to go is back across the border … no deportation needed …
I’m surprised GR hasn’t already been here screaming about it … of course … that would basically mean having to face off with Sheriff Joe … and I don’t think he has the guts to do that … he only wants to spit on women he disagrees with …
I piss in his Uggs. (sorry, couldn’t resist)
A Question for Geraldo
What level of crime is acceptable for someone to commit if they are of a certain race? He has admitted that he gets so wrapped up about deporting illegal aliens because they are predominately Hispanic. Do other races or religions or subgroups get a free pass on other crimes? Does the law only apply to certain races?
Silly me, I thought we were trying to end that kind of racism.
I remember he came to our FOB in Afghanistan in 2004, the general consensus was that he was a complete tool. I appreciate when people come and show support, that doesnt mean we gotta like them.
I have stopped watching “Geraldo At Large” and everytime he comes on Fox, I change the channel.
I intend to write Fox News and let them know how I feel about this. Why don’t you join me?
I received the following email from Geraldo Rivera’s email address. In all fairness, I will post it here. I think he should apologize on air to Michelle.
“Rivera, Geraldo”
to me
More options 9:32 am (1½ hours ago)
You’re right I apologize pass it on
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Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
—–Original Message—–
From: XXXXXX
To: Rivera, Geraldo
Sent: Sun Sep 02 23:37:52 2007
Subject: dirt bag
The fact that you said you would spit on Michelle makes you a freaking DIRT BAG.
You are a disgusting journalist and owe Michelle an apology.
You are not a freaking man. You are a dirt bag. Real men don’t spit on women.
*swear removed*
Very interesting Rightwingnutjob, thanks for sharing. I think it’s too late for Geraldo. That comment is beyond the pale and he’s very much going to regret it. This story has legs and will run a marathon tomorrow…
The arrogance! My God Geraldo, you’re a monster!
Hating Geraldo and the people who are trying to destroy the sovereignty of the United States is healthy and patriotic.
Embracing the “todo por la raza” racism of Geraldo and his ilk is singularly degenerate.
Nothing like reading direct quotes of Geraldo proving what a scum ball he is.
Geraldo is a blight on Fox News. Every story is all about him. He portrays himself as the champion of females and all non-white people. I use Fox News as my ‘home page’, but when I know he is coming up, I’m outta’ there until he is gone. Shallow, superficial, self-obsessed…that’s Geraldo. Weenie that he is, Michelle would likely slap him to sleep. Or I could do it for her.
Now I’m really pissed off! On the assumption that the response really is from him – this is how he apologizes for a remark he made on the air?
Well, excuse me, Mr. Devine Detachment! Why don’t you go back on the air and make your apology, eat a little humble crow and see if you can do it without the usual “but” – as in, “but she’s so unfair toward hardworking undocumented Americans yadda yadda yadda” *sound effect of baby crying*.
Sorry to lose my cool, what little I generally possess, but now I feel personally insulted – just from watching as an outside party – at his arrogance.
Hey Rightwing, what’s his e-mail address? I think I’m gonna give him a great big moustachioed mouthful to chew on. I mean it. If you think you gave it to him straight, you haven’t seen anything until you’ve seen the Verbose Avenger in action. Give me that e-mail address, would you? I’m not kidding.
I will naturally be polite. Ahem
I’m betting Malkin would break his nose.
Conservative Cat, 167-169 were intended for you btw.
Darknight,
I understand. My point about polls really has little to do with Push-pulls or anything else in the form of the way the poll was structured and whether one can expect to glean anything meaningful from the poll. Certainly, polls constructed to elicit answers which lend credibility to a bias and support an agenda are not be dismissed out of hand. However, my point was that even a poll which somehow reflects perfectly the opinions of the people reflect only opinions which, in the majority, have found their way to their position they represent through the mainstream media. That’s alot of words for, “many people have been so lied to that they don’t see the lies anymore, or sense the lies in their gut, and accept much of what they hear as fact”.
My late mother got all her news for most of her life through the networks, usually NBC. Then one day she said something irksome when I happened to mention Bob Grant; “Oh, he’s a bigot!” Where did she get that? From NBC News on TV. That was when Grant was under fire and eventually lost his job at flagship WABC radio in NY. Now, I was never a Bob Grant fan, but one thing I felt pretty confident about was that the guy was no bigot, and said so. Result? My mother, God bless her, wound up becoming a fan of Grant’s (something I could never do, I didn’t really like his style, just as I don’t care enough for Rush’s style to want to spend any time listening to him) and did something many will not – acknowledged that the media wasn’t giving her the truth. This last bit is can be exceptionally difficult to teenagers and the elderly, who handle disappointment and a sense of widespread betrayal less easily than those who punch their ways through the act of living a life in a not-so-happy world every day.
This anecdote is no exception that disproves a rule but is closer to being the rule: there are millions of people, often elderly, who have so come to depend on certain sources for information that they listen or watch or read little else. Media people are very hip to this: trust me, I know – I’m in the biz (NYC most of my life). The poll results you get reflect, at best, an accurate view of what a notable segment of the population has been spun and lied into believeing. Yes, it really is that gross. It really is that awful, because the people who do it do it full well knowing just exactly what they’re up to. I’ve had to bite my lip – hard – many a time at big meetings when someone said something like, “oh, we can’t say that, it might make the Republicans look good” and solemn faces all nod in agreement as another solution to whatever was being discussed is thought up. Unbelievable? Terribly enough, no. It’s an attitude which is as widespread in creative media meetings as the plague. Unless, of course, they need to appeal for financial gain to a regional area in a conservative state, at which point they concoct the most insane pitches designed to appeal to conservative steriotypes of the worst kind.
Some people wonder why I make so much fuss about raising a grassroots groundswell against the Dems for not debating on Fox. The reason is that the media bias/prejudice in creative areas of the media (I’m not in journalism but anyone in the biz and can hear and see the techinques very readily) is much worse than you can imagine and it really is a very, very serious situation.
Millions of people are being – brainwashing is too severe a word – conditioned to believe a whole string of falsehoods and gross and debilitating steriotypes. Yahoo news announced Bush’s trip today as something like “Bush sees oppotunity for troop withdrawl” or something like that, making no mention in the headline of his actual visit to Iraq, which naturally makes him look solid and brave as a President. These kinds of journalistic accidents are happening hundreds of times a day, every day of the year. A lie, like the Yahoo headline of today, need not be a big bold-faced lie, but rather a subtle manipulation, which, when used as a standard technique (it is) and used every single day (it is) has a devistating effect on information, extrapolation and what is ultimately percieved as truth.
No Nazi propoganda film, no cut-out, paste-ups of Stalin standing and sitting next to Marx in meetings, were ever as insidious as the use of the more subtle techniques of the medium today to create a general one-sided view of politics. And that is what I meant because it’s the results of those endlessly applied daily techniques, used year after year, which results in the “poll numbers”. It’s also why Fox news and talk radio are such a huge hit. But not big enough, alas, because while Fox blows away the competition, those not watching Fox are spread out over an endless supply of alternative media. That makes the people watching fair and balanced reporting still very, very much in the collective minority, and to any rigorous student of history, that’s just plain dangerous. Which is why a grassroots call for the Democrat Presidential candidates to debate on Fox is so critical. It will begin to open up some larger truths when the Dems get questions no one else will ask. And you really can’t have a democracy without that at the very least. Anything else is, in the aggregate, nothing more or less than a one-sided sales pitch. And once again, for a democracy, that’s dangerous.
Is this assessment overreactionary? Some people will say so. But if they had 25 professional media years behind them – in endless meetings – unless they’re stalwart liberals, they wouldn’t think so.
It really is just exactly that bad.
And, therefore, so much for the polls.
Gerry Rivers
Conservative Cat, I appreciate the answer and how long it took you write that (especially at 2:49 in the morning).
I’d like to address a certain number of points that you made.
1) Debates
You are absolutely 150% right that the Democrats needed to debate on Fox News. I honestly think that the Democrats caved to the people who, during the general election season, will be doing the most grassroots organizing for whoever becomes the nominee. If Fox host a debate after the primary (or does it become CPD territory?), I think the Democratic Nominee would/should show up. I think that not showing up to the debate is like Mayor Guiliani flip-flopping on campaign issues… simply catering to the base. Pure and simple. But you and I share the belief that the Dems missed a golden opportunity to see how their arguments held up during tough questioning. The Fox News questions were not kind to the GOP, and I applaud the GOP for at least showing up.
2) Polls
As far as polls are concerned, it is sometimes asked of me why I am so interested in polls. The reason is actually very simple. Surveying techniques have become so advanced that the polls can be a helpful tool in figuring out public opinion of the issue. Many people suffer from a “lies, damn lies and statistics” syndrome where you couldn’t pay them to believe a poll and believe they are all a bunch of hogwash. But they don’t realize the importance of polls. They are essentially a thermometer for how the nation feels. Karl Rove was a master of statistics. Political Campaign managers have narrowed it down to the block how people are likely to vote in the election season. I also agree that sometimes the most popular thing in the country may not necessarily be the right choice. But at the same time, there comes a point when one must realize that when the bottom falls out from support of the American people, the very people who the politicians are supposed to be representing, then something has to change. I find it curious that conservatives say “don’t believe the polls, the majority of Americans aren’t informed” when talking about the Iraq War. But then cite poll numbers after poll numbers to justify their position on illegal immigration.
3) The media.
I certainly hear your concerns about the MSM. Having specific examples of how the MSM may be guilty of manipulating the news to fit a so-called ideologicial bias does help to prove your argument. But at the same time, I still did not hear an answer to my question poised yesterday when I asked what constituted a “well educated extrapolation.”
There is a reason why I asked that.
Because what I fear has happened is actually the exact opposite. You say “I don’t trust the mainstream media, so I read blogs and other forms or alternative media.” That’s awesome to seek different sides of opinion. This is a fantastic environment for discussion and debate. But the danger is that when people log into blogs, that some people (I have no idea how many) log onto here not to seek other opinions on the issues, but simply to find others who share that belief and therefore find more reasons to justify it. This myopic view is just as dangerous, to the point that support of the war and support the troops becomes linked and impossible to separate. Those who do subscribe to that view become juvenile labels such as “Defeatocrats”, “RINO’s”, “Moonbats”, etc.
This then becomes the same problem as before.
For example, I do not expect to see a story like this on this blog or Hot Air.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-surge4sep04,0,3817546.story?page=1&coll=la-home-center
The question becomes, “Do we not post this because it’s from the LA Times and the MSM is biased? Or do we not post this because my readers wouldn’t want to read this? Or both?”
Another story that I think should be getting more attention is a story that was the lead story on CNN today.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/09/04/bell.jena.six/index.html
Have you heard of the Jena Six? I’m EXTREMELY interested in this story and I think others on here would be too. This story shows the racial divide that exists in the country. I would think that people would be very interested in reading and discussing this story. But alas, all we see are stories about Rev. Jesse Jackson and other so-called “race baiters.” How about a story where race is actually a discussion and not portrayed as things brought up by “race baiters?”
Or this one:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/09/04/aclu.military.ap/index.html
The military should be commended for investigating alleged abuses of the rules of engagement. Granted, some conservatives are accused of wanting to throw out all of the rules of engagement (remember when members of the Taliban gathered for a funeral and the U.S. military decided not to take them out?). But this story shows all Americans that the military is determined to fighting the enemy while enforcing the rules of engagement. But it is probably not getting much play in the blogs because then it will get spun and subsequently labeled as “another attempt by the ACLU to undermine our country.” So instead of getting the real meaning of the story out of it, it is then spun into another bashing of the ACLU, the Associated press, the MSM etc. ACLU bashing occurs daily on BOR. I have seen people who only get their news on BOR. Then the only analysis people see on a news subject is from a conservative think tank, or a conservative talk show host.
We have already discussed in other threads about how Ms. Malkin does not post the mounting military death tolls.
I have not seem many places where conservatives who support the war “How many deaths, is too many? Is there such a number?”
Then, we are back to your original problem of only hearing what we want to hear, the source of your frustration in the first place.
Anyway, I say all of this to say that blogs can/are useful to discussion. That’s why I am here. But I think that we need to be so careful in this day and age to think that those who do not subscribe to alternative forms of media are somehow “in the dark.” Because whether we like it or not, “spun by the media” also involves Fox News and conservative blogs.
And that is really just as bad.
Darknight,
I read your response this morning and wanted to respond earlier but it’s been a busy day. I think we may have to agree to disagree on a few points.
You’ll please excuse the typos, but I don’t have time to proofread my own theoretical novellas here.
No problem. I keep all manner of hours and I’m the fastest two fingers in the east, so it didn’t take that long to write.
My problem with what you wrote here is that it conveniently lets the Dems off the hook until after the primary. Not a chance. The people should be screaming bloody murder at their arrogance and hold them accountible, especially since the reason the Dems aren’t debating on Fox News is because – by their own admission – is that Fox leans to the right. Well, in the world in which we live, that’s the same as saying they won’t debate on Fox news because Fox News doesn’t lean to the left. That’s outrageous, arrogant, and the people should be enraged. The next President will be the President of all the people, but they’re acting as if they intend to be the President of only those people with whom they agree. Outrageous, and utterly and completely unacceptable.
2.
Just because they feel the public is informed on one issue and not another doesn’t mean that they’re not entirely correct in their assessment. For example, one could confidently argue that the war is more difficult to understand, insomuch as there are political complexities within the various Iraqi factions – as is well illustrated by the recent NY Times piece Michelle recommended for memorial day reading) made all the more complicated by constant images of death and destruction, made more complicated by Tim Robbins et al mouthing off to housewives at midday made more complicated by Bush and others saying that leaving Iraq now will precipitate the terrorists following us home. Unless you follow this like we do, that’s a helluvah mess to untangle and get a prespective on when you only have time to wake up, go to work, come home, have dinner with the wife and kids, relax for a few hours, hit the hay and do it all over again. Illegal immigration is much more simple. Illegals aren’t supposed to be here – that’s why they’re rightfully called illegal. Some do bad things. Send them home or don’t send them home? You can try to make it more complicated, but most people understand it isn’t. All things such as devided families and the like are initiated by the illegals themselves, knowing full well what the consequences of their actions might be. I feel sorry for the kids, but they’re not my kids and we can’t let every criminal out of jail just because sonny or Betty will miss Daddy when he’s up the river.
So your implication that there’s a double standard falls instantly apart when you acknowledge that different stories can very much be a matter of apples and oranges.
There is no “may” to it. I’m in this manipulative medium first hand. The techniques are obvious, the poll results consistant if you follow the subtle tweaking of certain stories. And this is nothing new. My own little example is nothing compared to how the industry consciously operates, and I guess that’s my whole point. When back in the day McNeal/Lehere used to have the only right/left televised discussions with guests, it was no accident that the left was always hugely attractive, often a woman and/or minority, well-dressed and well-spoken, and the right representatives were always unattractive, poorly-comported men. Night after night after night after night, year after year. That kind of central casting routine is not only not accidental, it’s it requires a conscious maliciousness to get to that extreme. It was so bad across all venues that when Fox News first came on the air with beautiful female hosts espousing conservative viewpoints I thought I was watching a transmission from Mars.
It’s disappointing to everyone, including fair-minded libs, but the left really does play that nasty – that wrong. They manipulate people with a God-like detachment. One can always find the exception to attempt to disprove the rule, but it’s a left-wing culteral manifestation – the media left really do believe they’re better and want to make the world as they imagine it even if they lie and cheat to do it. No arguement on this Darknight – I’ve worked with these people for 25 years. I know what I’m talking about and there isn’t a fraction of wiggle room on this matter.
Good question, and the fact is, of course, that a certain degree of subjectivity enters into the issue. You’ll hate this, but to me a well-educated extrapolation would need to have more Fox News than any other television News, because compared to the rest, they really are tons more fair and balanced. Fox has good old down-home fire and brimstone, lecturn-pounding liberals, but the reverse is not true virtually anywhere else. Does Fox skew right? of course! But does it skew right as much as CNN, MSNBC and NBC skew left? Not even remotely, and if you;re intellectually honest, you see that and say it. CNN has Pat Bucanan (whom I dislike immensely) and that’s about it. Fox has a never-ending parade of far-left guests to counter the right-wing guests (and occasional hosts, like O’Reilly). That’s an enormous difference. And also why the Dems refusal to debate on Fox because Fox “has a right wing bias” is so infuriating.
I didn’t and don’t say that. Blogs are a terrible source of protien and the objectivity is even worse. I come here becuase I’ve been an admirer of Michelle’s when her picture in the Post Editorial made her look like a kid but her clairty in thought and prose jumped off the page. I figured if I was going to go to any online blog with what little time I have for such things, I could do worse than this. So far I feel pretty sure I was right.
It’s critical. We were visitied by Jahvoah’s witnesses recently. I held their feet to scriptural fire for 90 minutes. They’re coming back again soon, they said. I’ll do it again. It’s a good education. So far I think they’ve got about 30 – 40 percent of it right in my subjective view. But not only will I always listen and proecess the information honestly, I’ll puch people hard to give me more while challenging them. Anything less is a waste of time on earth.
That could also be called “friendship”. I have no problem with that.
Maybe that’s because the troops generally support the mission of the war overwhelmingly, and so to support them wholeheartedly, it makes since to support the mission. This is like the issue above, where just because something is seen a particular way doesn’t mean it’s wrong.
Namecalling is hugely common on the left, and it may just be that conservatives are tired of being bullied on the playground. That’s fair. besides, some great talents like Will Rogers engaged in the same thing for effect. It’s also a catharsis for conservatives watching their values ridiculed for 40 years. Nope, you can’t get any ground with me on that one. fair is fair. Liberals can’t strike first for 40 years and then whine foul when they finally and belatedly get a taste of their own long-term medicine.
There are lots of stories out there, but we’re getting off topic.
Why should she? So as to genuflect at the alter of the left wing media and prove that she is fair and balanced when the left wing media doesn’t ever show the good that our troops are doing? You’re waaayyy off base with this one, Darknight. She doesn’t need balance – she is balance.
It’s a matter of degree, and Fox has been selling itself as fair and balanced. Are they? In the world of idealistic perfection they are not. Compared to CNN, MSNBC and the networks? You better beleieve it. Take it from soemone who lived long and hard in the belly of the beast.
Great discussion, though, Darknight. While I don’t think you’re all that right, of course, you’ve been honest and civil. I’ve enjoyed it.
Rightwing;
Thanks for the e-mail addy. I’ll compose some prose for Mr Doze in the next day or so’s, and expose. I’ll post the resulting verbal carnage here for you to enjoy.
Rightwing,
Am I crazy or did you or did you not post Gerry Rivers e-mail addy? if so, it appears to have been erased. Does he have a website?
I’ve been looking for a response all day and I finally have it! But if anyone understands how a busy day can change everything, it’s me.
Just a few points because I know there will be many opportunities to talk about this topic and much more.
The president has tried to lay it out to the American people numerous times through various speeches, the State of the Union, “town hall” meetings… and yet the public has turned on him. Even as busy as Americans are, they are pretty smart and can figure out when a conflict is going well, and when it’s not. No matter what the alleged media bias, when they see a picture of flag-draped casket on the front page of the newspaper, then they understand the conflict plenty. This essentially shores up their support for it, or turns them against it (see Rep. Walter Jones). I’m going to give the American people more credit than you are and say that they can take a complex situation and understand. Then break it down to a simple question “Should we be there or should we not?” I’m sure that someone could confidently argue that illegal immigration is a complex issue as well when it comes to Mexican border enforcement vs. Canadian border enforcement, overstayed visas, etc. As complex as they are, they can be brought down to more simplistic terms. I stand by my comment that there is a double standard. But then again, this isn’t new in politics.
I just know that Fox consistently has so-called “analysts” who are conservative radio show host, right wing think tank, etc. Didn’t Hannity and Colmes have some conservative radio host from Atlanta give his opinion on the racial issues facing Michael Vick? What??? For crying out loud, I know you want to give him publicity, but was this the right story to do it on??? He even brought his own dog to show how he was kind to animals. *shakes head*
Friendship and grassroots organizing is fine, but I think the larger point went right past you. It was to say that when you are wrong, and you have a whole lot of people around you saying that you are right (when they are wrong too), then it extremely dangerous because you are only hearing what you want to hear… not what you have to hear.
No moral high ground on this one huh, Conservative Cat?
“Oh liberals have called us names for years, so it’s OK for us to call them names!” I haven’t even been in politics for 40 years, but yet I get called a “moonbat”, “unhinged”, “GODLESS”, “Loony” because I don’t walk lockstep with the President on the War?
If you want to be honest about it, I think that these are the type of things that should be written about in Diana West’ new book called “The Death of the Grown-up: How America’s Arrested Development Is Bringing Down Western Civilization.”
It is my belief that the name calling, the “gotcha” moments on YouTube, the soundbites, the blogs, have brought down the state of American politics and its future is not promising because of it.
Shouldn’t we try to be better than that?
Off base, huh Conservative Cat? People should always ask themselves “When is enough, enough?” That is not a liberal or conservative thing. I have said it before. I will say it again. I lament the fact that it seems to be that not as much publicity is paid to each American solider as they are killed in War. I stand by my belief that it should be front page news and top story news. They all deserve the same treatment and the utmost respect and dignity. If conservatives want the American people to “wake up” and realize we are still at war, that is one way of doing it. I think we all should be conscious of the death toll and how much “blood and treasure” (as Bill OReilly says) we are spending in Iraq… no matter your political ideology.
THAT is balance.
As you have said, we will have to agree to disagree on some of the things that we discussed. As you have demostrated with your interaction with me and with the Jehovah Witnesses that came to visit, good things can happen when people have an open, honest, civil and polite discussion. It is these types of conversations that I feel will move this country forward… together. I’m sick of the divisiveness. It’s a poison to our country.
Hopefully you get a chance to respond, but if not, I’ll catch you in another thread.
“Come, let us reason together.”
Isaiah 1:18