Geraldo Rivera unhinged
Update 9/9: The idiocy continues.
Update 9/6: Liberal logic. Rivera threatens to spit on me. Ergo, I am the Worst Person in the World.
The Boston Globe has a fawning Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous-ish profile of Fox News Channel’s Geraldo Rivera. In between musing about his favorite pair of soft Uggs (”I’ve worn these in Tora Bora and Somalia,” he says, admiring the suede slip-ons with the sheepskin lining. “They’re so comfortable. I love them.”), his “36-foot Hinckley powerboat,” and his massive estates (including “Seagate, the spectacular, 10-bedroom estate he bought several years ago with his fourth wife” and another “Kennedy-esque compound” with his current wife), he spews this:
Rivera, who as a fledgling lawyer in the ’70s counseled the Puerto Rican nationalist group the Young Lords, says he can’t stomach the politicians and pundits who are stoking “anti-immigrant hysteria,” and his antipathy extends to some of his colleagues at Fox.
“Michelle Malkin is the most vile, hateful commentator I’ve ever met in my life,” he says. “She actually believes that neighbors should start snitching out neighbors, and we should be deporting people.
“It’s good she’s in D.C. and I’m in New York,” Rivera sneers. “I’d spit on her if I saw her.”
Ewwww!
Well, I suppose I should be grateful for the warning. Next time I’m up in New York, I’ll be sure to wear one of these:
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Who’s the hater? Allah holds up the mirror for the Geraldo-ists.
Flashback: Geraldo “cringes” every time I’m on Fox.
Flashback: Geraldo attacks again.
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Nothing like reading direct quotes of Geraldo proving what a scum ball he is.
Geraldo is a blight on Fox News. Every story is all about him. He portrays himself as the champion of females and all non-white people. I use Fox News as my ‘home page’, but when I know he is coming up, I’m outta’ there until he is gone. Shallow, superficial, self-obsessed…that’s Geraldo. Weenie that he is, Michelle would likely slap him to sleep. Or I could do it for her.
Now I’m really pissed off! On the assumption that the response really is from him – this is how he apologizes for a remark he made on the air?
Well, excuse me, Mr. Devine Detachment! Why don’t you go back on the air and make your apology, eat a little humble crow and see if you can do it without the usual “but” – as in, “but she’s so unfair toward hardworking undocumented Americans yadda yadda yadda” *sound effect of baby crying*.
Sorry to lose my cool, what little I generally possess, but now I feel personally insulted – just from watching as an outside party – at his arrogance.
Hey Rightwing, what’s his e-mail address? I think I’m gonna give him a great big moustachioed mouthful to chew on. I mean it. If you think you gave it to him straight, you haven’t seen anything until you’ve seen the Verbose Avenger in action. Give me that e-mail address, would you? I’m not kidding.
I will naturally be polite. Ahem
I’m betting Malkin would break his nose.
Conservative Cat, 167-169 were intended for you btw.
Darknight,
I understand. My point about polls really has little to do with Push-pulls or anything else in the form of the way the poll was structured and whether one can expect to glean anything meaningful from the poll. Certainly, polls constructed to elicit answers which lend credibility to a bias and support an agenda are not be dismissed out of hand. However, my point was that even a poll which somehow reflects perfectly the opinions of the people reflect only opinions which, in the majority, have found their way to their position they represent through the mainstream media. That’s alot of words for, “many people have been so lied to that they don’t see the lies anymore, or sense the lies in their gut, and accept much of what they hear as fact”.
My late mother got all her news for most of her life through the networks, usually NBC. Then one day she said something irksome when I happened to mention Bob Grant; “Oh, he’s a bigot!” Where did she get that? From NBC News on TV. That was when Grant was under fire and eventually lost his job at flagship WABC radio in NY. Now, I was never a Bob Grant fan, but one thing I felt pretty confident about was that the guy was no bigot, and said so. Result? My mother, God bless her, wound up becoming a fan of Grant’s (something I could never do, I didn’t really like his style, just as I don’t care enough for Rush’s style to want to spend any time listening to him) and did something many will not – acknowledged that the media wasn’t giving her the truth. This last bit is can be exceptionally difficult to teenagers and the elderly, who handle disappointment and a sense of widespread betrayal less easily than those who punch their ways through the act of living a life in a not-so-happy world every day.
This anecdote is no exception that disproves a rule but is closer to being the rule: there are millions of people, often elderly, who have so come to depend on certain sources for information that they listen or watch or read little else. Media people are very hip to this: trust me, I know – I’m in the biz (NYC most of my life). The poll results you get reflect, at best, an accurate view of what a notable segment of the population has been spun and lied into believeing. Yes, it really is that gross. It really is that awful, because the people who do it do it full well knowing just exactly what they’re up to. I’ve had to bite my lip – hard – many a time at big meetings when someone said something like, “oh, we can’t say that, it might make the Republicans look good” and solemn faces all nod in agreement as another solution to whatever was being discussed is thought up. Unbelievable? Terribly enough, no. It’s an attitude which is as widespread in creative media meetings as the plague. Unless, of course, they need to appeal for financial gain to a regional area in a conservative state, at which point they concoct the most insane pitches designed to appeal to conservative steriotypes of the worst kind.
Some people wonder why I make so much fuss about raising a grassroots groundswell against the Dems for not debating on Fox. The reason is that the media bias/prejudice in creative areas of the media (I’m not in journalism but anyone in the biz and can hear and see the techinques very readily) is much worse than you can imagine and it really is a very, very serious situation.
Millions of people are being – brainwashing is too severe a word – conditioned to believe a whole string of falsehoods and gross and debilitating steriotypes. Yahoo news announced Bush’s trip today as something like “Bush sees oppotunity for troop withdrawl” or something like that, making no mention in the headline of his actual visit to Iraq, which naturally makes him look solid and brave as a President. These kinds of journalistic accidents are happening hundreds of times a day, every day of the year. A lie, like the Yahoo headline of today, need not be a big bold-faced lie, but rather a subtle manipulation, which, when used as a standard technique (it is) and used every single day (it is) has a devistating effect on information, extrapolation and what is ultimately percieved as truth.
No Nazi propoganda film, no cut-out, paste-ups of Stalin standing and sitting next to Marx in meetings, were ever as insidious as the use of the more subtle techniques of the medium today to create a general one-sided view of politics. And that is what I meant because it’s the results of those endlessly applied daily techniques, used year after year, which results in the “poll numbers”. It’s also why Fox news and talk radio are such a huge hit. But not big enough, alas, because while Fox blows away the competition, those not watching Fox are spread out over an endless supply of alternative media. That makes the people watching fair and balanced reporting still very, very much in the collective minority, and to any rigorous student of history, that’s just plain dangerous. Which is why a grassroots call for the Democrat Presidential candidates to debate on Fox is so critical. It will begin to open up some larger truths when the Dems get questions no one else will ask. And you really can’t have a democracy without that at the very least. Anything else is, in the aggregate, nothing more or less than a one-sided sales pitch. And once again, for a democracy, that’s dangerous.
Is this assessment overreactionary? Some people will say so. But if they had 25 professional media years behind them – in endless meetings – unless they’re stalwart liberals, they wouldn’t think so.
It really is just exactly that bad.
And, therefore, so much for the polls.
Gerry Rivers
Conservative Cat, I appreciate the answer and how long it took you write that (especially at 2:49 in the morning).
I’d like to address a certain number of points that you made.
1) Debates
You are absolutely 150% right that the Democrats needed to debate on Fox News. I honestly think that the Democrats caved to the people who, during the general election season, will be doing the most grassroots organizing for whoever becomes the nominee. If Fox host a debate after the primary (or does it become CPD territory?), I think the Democratic Nominee would/should show up. I think that not showing up to the debate is like Mayor Guiliani flip-flopping on campaign issues… simply catering to the base. Pure and simple. But you and I share the belief that the Dems missed a golden opportunity to see how their arguments held up during tough questioning. The Fox News questions were not kind to the GOP, and I applaud the GOP for at least showing up.
2) Polls
As far as polls are concerned, it is sometimes asked of me why I am so interested in polls. The reason is actually very simple. Surveying techniques have become so advanced that the polls can be a helpful tool in figuring out public opinion of the issue. Many people suffer from a “lies, damn lies and statistics” syndrome where you couldn’t pay them to believe a poll and believe they are all a bunch of hogwash. But they don’t realize the importance of polls. They are essentially a thermometer for how the nation feels. Karl Rove was a master of statistics. Political Campaign managers have narrowed it down to the block how people are likely to vote in the election season. I also agree that sometimes the most popular thing in the country may not necessarily be the right choice. But at the same time, there comes a point when one must realize that when the bottom falls out from support of the American people, the very people who the politicians are supposed to be representing, then something has to change. I find it curious that conservatives say “don’t believe the polls, the majority of Americans aren’t informed” when talking about the Iraq War. But then cite poll numbers after poll numbers to justify their position on illegal immigration.
3) The media.
I certainly hear your concerns about the MSM. Having specific examples of how the MSM may be guilty of manipulating the news to fit a so-called ideologicial bias does help to prove your argument. But at the same time, I still did not hear an answer to my question poised yesterday when I asked what constituted a “well educated extrapolation.”
There is a reason why I asked that.
Because what I fear has happened is actually the exact opposite. You say “I don’t trust the mainstream media, so I read blogs and other forms or alternative media.” That’s awesome to seek different sides of opinion. This is a fantastic environment for discussion and debate. But the danger is that when people log into blogs, that some people (I have no idea how many) log onto here not to seek other opinions on the issues, but simply to find others who share that belief and therefore find more reasons to justify it. This myopic view is just as dangerous, to the point that support of the war and support the troops becomes linked and impossible to separate. Those who do subscribe to that view become juvenile labels such as “Defeatocrats”, “RINO’s”, “Moonbats”, etc.
This then becomes the same problem as before.
For example, I do not expect to see a story like this on this blog or Hot Air.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-surge4sep04,0,3817546.story?page=1&coll=la-home-center
The question becomes, “Do we not post this because it’s from the LA Times and the MSM is biased? Or do we not post this because my readers wouldn’t want to read this? Or both?”
Another story that I think should be getting more attention is a story that was the lead story on CNN today.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/09/04/bell.jena.six/index.html
Have you heard of the Jena Six? I’m EXTREMELY interested in this story and I think others on here would be too. This story shows the racial divide that exists in the country. I would think that people would be very interested in reading and discussing this story. But alas, all we see are stories about Rev. Jesse Jackson and other so-called “race baiters.” How about a story where race is actually a discussion and not portrayed as things brought up by “race baiters?”
Or this one:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/09/04/aclu.military.ap/index.html
The military should be commended for investigating alleged abuses of the rules of engagement. Granted, some conservatives are accused of wanting to throw out all of the rules of engagement (remember when members of the Taliban gathered for a funeral and the U.S. military decided not to take them out?). But this story shows all Americans that the military is determined to fighting the enemy while enforcing the rules of engagement. But it is probably not getting much play in the blogs because then it will get spun and subsequently labeled as “another attempt by the ACLU to undermine our country.” So instead of getting the real meaning of the story out of it, it is then spun into another bashing of the ACLU, the Associated press, the MSM etc. ACLU bashing occurs daily on BOR. I have seen people who only get their news on BOR. Then the only analysis people see on a news subject is from a conservative think tank, or a conservative talk show host.
We have already discussed in other threads about how Ms. Malkin does not post the mounting military death tolls.
I have not seem many places where conservatives who support the war “How many deaths, is too many? Is there such a number?”
Then, we are back to your original problem of only hearing what we want to hear, the source of your frustration in the first place.
Anyway, I say all of this to say that blogs can/are useful to discussion. That’s why I am here. But I think that we need to be so careful in this day and age to think that those who do not subscribe to alternative forms of media are somehow “in the dark.” Because whether we like it or not, “spun by the media” also involves Fox News and conservative blogs.
And that is really just as bad.
Darknight,
I read your response this morning and wanted to respond earlier but it’s been a busy day. I think we may have to agree to disagree on a few points.
You’ll please excuse the typos, but I don’t have time to proofread my own theoretical novellas here.
No problem. I keep all manner of hours and I’m the fastest two fingers in the east, so it didn’t take that long to write.
My problem with what you wrote here is that it conveniently lets the Dems off the hook until after the primary. Not a chance. The people should be screaming bloody murder at their arrogance and hold them accountible, especially since the reason the Dems aren’t debating on Fox News is because – by their own admission – is that Fox leans to the right. Well, in the world in which we live, that’s the same as saying they won’t debate on Fox news because Fox News doesn’t lean to the left. That’s outrageous, arrogant, and the people should be enraged. The next President will be the President of all the people, but they’re acting as if they intend to be the President of only those people with whom they agree. Outrageous, and utterly and completely unacceptable.
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Just because they feel the public is informed on one issue and not another doesn’t mean that they’re not entirely correct in their assessment. For example, one could confidently argue that the war is more difficult to understand, insomuch as there are political complexities within the various Iraqi factions – as is well illustrated by the recent NY Times piece Michelle recommended for memorial day reading) made all the more complicated by constant images of death and destruction, made more complicated by Tim Robbins et al mouthing off to housewives at midday made more complicated by Bush and others saying that leaving Iraq now will precipitate the terrorists following us home. Unless you follow this like we do, that’s a helluvah mess to untangle and get a prespective on when you only have time to wake up, go to work, come home, have dinner with the wife and kids, relax for a few hours, hit the hay and do it all over again. Illegal immigration is much more simple. Illegals aren’t supposed to be here – that’s why they’re rightfully called illegal. Some do bad things. Send them home or don’t send them home? You can try to make it more complicated, but most people understand it isn’t. All things such as devided families and the like are initiated by the illegals themselves, knowing full well what the consequences of their actions might be. I feel sorry for the kids, but they’re not my kids and we can’t let every criminal out of jail just because sonny or Betty will miss Daddy when he’s up the river.
So your implication that there’s a double standard falls instantly apart when you acknowledge that different stories can very much be a matter of apples and oranges.
There is no “may” to it. I’m in this manipulative medium first hand. The techniques are obvious, the poll results consistant if you follow the subtle tweaking of certain stories. And this is nothing new. My own little example is nothing compared to how the industry consciously operates, and I guess that’s my whole point. When back in the day McNeal/Lehere used to have the only right/left televised discussions with guests, it was no accident that the left was always hugely attractive, often a woman and/or minority, well-dressed and well-spoken, and the right representatives were always unattractive, poorly-comported men. Night after night after night after night, year after year. That kind of central casting routine is not only not accidental, it’s it requires a conscious maliciousness to get to that extreme. It was so bad across all venues that when Fox News first came on the air with beautiful female hosts espousing conservative viewpoints I thought I was watching a transmission from Mars.
It’s disappointing to everyone, including fair-minded libs, but the left really does play that nasty – that wrong. They manipulate people with a God-like detachment. One can always find the exception to attempt to disprove the rule, but it’s a left-wing culteral manifestation – the media left really do believe they’re better and want to make the world as they imagine it even if they lie and cheat to do it. No arguement on this Darknight – I’ve worked with these people for 25 years. I know what I’m talking about and there isn’t a fraction of wiggle room on this matter.
Good question, and the fact is, of course, that a certain degree of subjectivity enters into the issue. You’ll hate this, but to me a well-educated extrapolation would need to have more Fox News than any other television News, because compared to the rest, they really are tons more fair and balanced. Fox has good old down-home fire and brimstone, lecturn-pounding liberals, but the reverse is not true virtually anywhere else. Does Fox skew right? of course! But does it skew right as much as CNN, MSNBC and NBC skew left? Not even remotely, and if you;re intellectually honest, you see that and say it. CNN has Pat Bucanan (whom I dislike immensely) and that’s about it. Fox has a never-ending parade of far-left guests to counter the right-wing guests (and occasional hosts, like O’Reilly). That’s an enormous difference. And also why the Dems refusal to debate on Fox because Fox “has a right wing bias” is so infuriating.
I didn’t and don’t say that. Blogs are a terrible source of protien and the objectivity is even worse. I come here becuase I’ve been an admirer of Michelle’s when her picture in the Post Editorial made her look like a kid but her clairty in thought and prose jumped off the page. I figured if I was going to go to any online blog with what little time I have for such things, I could do worse than this. So far I feel pretty sure I was right.
It’s critical. We were visitied by Jahvoah’s witnesses recently. I held their feet to scriptural fire for 90 minutes. They’re coming back again soon, they said. I’ll do it again. It’s a good education. So far I think they’ve got about 30 – 40 percent of it right in my subjective view. But not only will I always listen and proecess the information honestly, I’ll puch people hard to give me more while challenging them. Anything less is a waste of time on earth.
That could also be called “friendship”. I have no problem with that.
Maybe that’s because the troops generally support the mission of the war overwhelmingly, and so to support them wholeheartedly, it makes since to support the mission. This is like the issue above, where just because something is seen a particular way doesn’t mean it’s wrong.
Namecalling is hugely common on the left, and it may just be that conservatives are tired of being bullied on the playground. That’s fair. besides, some great talents like Will Rogers engaged in the same thing for effect. It’s also a catharsis for conservatives watching their values ridiculed for 40 years. Nope, you can’t get any ground with me on that one. fair is fair. Liberals can’t strike first for 40 years and then whine foul when they finally and belatedly get a taste of their own long-term medicine.
There are lots of stories out there, but we’re getting off topic.
Why should she? So as to genuflect at the alter of the left wing media and prove that she is fair and balanced when the left wing media doesn’t ever show the good that our troops are doing? You’re waaayyy off base with this one, Darknight. She doesn’t need balance – she is balance.
It’s a matter of degree, and Fox has been selling itself as fair and balanced. Are they? In the world of idealistic perfection they are not. Compared to CNN, MSNBC and the networks? You better beleieve it. Take it from soemone who lived long and hard in the belly of the beast.
Great discussion, though, Darknight. While I don’t think you’re all that right, of course, you’ve been honest and civil. I’ve enjoyed it.
Rightwing;
Thanks for the e-mail addy. I’ll compose some prose for Mr Doze in the next day or so’s, and expose. I’ll post the resulting verbal carnage here for you to enjoy.
Rightwing,
Am I crazy or did you or did you not post Gerry Rivers e-mail addy? if so, it appears to have been erased. Does he have a website?
I’ve been looking for a response all day and I finally have it! But if anyone understands how a busy day can change everything, it’s me.
Just a few points because I know there will be many opportunities to talk about this topic and much more.
The president has tried to lay it out to the American people numerous times through various speeches, the State of the Union, “town hall” meetings… and yet the public has turned on him. Even as busy as Americans are, they are pretty smart and can figure out when a conflict is going well, and when it’s not. No matter what the alleged media bias, when they see a picture of flag-draped casket on the front page of the newspaper, then they understand the conflict plenty. This essentially shores up their support for it, or turns them against it (see Rep. Walter Jones). I’m going to give the American people more credit than you are and say that they can take a complex situation and understand. Then break it down to a simple question “Should we be there or should we not?” I’m sure that someone could confidently argue that illegal immigration is a complex issue as well when it comes to Mexican border enforcement vs. Canadian border enforcement, overstayed visas, etc. As complex as they are, they can be brought down to more simplistic terms. I stand by my comment that there is a double standard. But then again, this isn’t new in politics.
I just know that Fox consistently has so-called “analysts” who are conservative radio show host, right wing think tank, etc. Didn’t Hannity and Colmes have some conservative radio host from Atlanta give his opinion on the racial issues facing Michael Vick? What??? For crying out loud, I know you want to give him publicity, but was this the right story to do it on??? He even brought his own dog to show how he was kind to animals. *shakes head*
Friendship and grassroots organizing is fine, but I think the larger point went right past you. It was to say that when you are wrong, and you have a whole lot of people around you saying that you are right (when they are wrong too), then it extremely dangerous because you are only hearing what you want to hear… not what you have to hear.
No moral high ground on this one huh, Conservative Cat?
“Oh liberals have called us names for years, so it’s OK for us to call them names!” I haven’t even been in politics for 40 years, but yet I get called a “moonbat”, “unhinged”, “GODLESS”, “Loony” because I don’t walk lockstep with the President on the War?
If you want to be honest about it, I think that these are the type of things that should be written about in Diana West’ new book called “The Death of the Grown-up: How America’s Arrested Development Is Bringing Down Western Civilization.”
It is my belief that the name calling, the “gotcha” moments on YouTube, the soundbites, the blogs, have brought down the state of American politics and its future is not promising because of it.
Shouldn’t we try to be better than that?
Off base, huh Conservative Cat? People should always ask themselves “When is enough, enough?” That is not a liberal or conservative thing. I have said it before. I will say it again. I lament the fact that it seems to be that not as much publicity is paid to each American solider as they are killed in War. I stand by my belief that it should be front page news and top story news. They all deserve the same treatment and the utmost respect and dignity. If conservatives want the American people to “wake up” and realize we are still at war, that is one way of doing it. I think we all should be conscious of the death toll and how much “blood and treasure” (as Bill OReilly says) we are spending in Iraq… no matter your political ideology.
THAT is balance.
As you have said, we will have to agree to disagree on some of the things that we discussed. As you have demostrated with your interaction with me and with the Jehovah Witnesses that came to visit, good things can happen when people have an open, honest, civil and polite discussion. It is these types of conversations that I feel will move this country forward… together. I’m sick of the divisiveness. It’s a poison to our country.
Hopefully you get a chance to respond, but if not, I’ll catch you in another thread.
“Come, let us reason together.”
Isaiah 1:18
Darknight,
I hope you realize that this thread is so far down the list now that you and I are probably the only ones reading it, which makes having a larger discussion with others unlikely, but that’s okay; it’s a good discussion even if it’s virtually a private one.
Once again I have not proofread this because of time constraints. If I spell things phonetically and not accurately, just know it’s a habit I have when writing very quickly.
I think you’ve spun off base on this one. I believe as do many others – most on this board, most likely – that the reason the people turned against the war is exactly because of the negative coverage. You seem to be implying that even though they’re busy, the average citizens see how wrong the war is. That might be an interesting take if all the coverage was positive. What you’re saying is that they somehow saw through all the negative coverage and – voila – came to a negative opinion. Need I mention that I think this particular view doesn’t hold much H20? When the nightly news shows the good our troops do every day in Iraq and remind the people that this was brought about on Sept 11th and the fact that we waited a full 17 violations of UN resolutions – knowing that Saddam was giving aid and comfort to the terrorists – then I’ll be a bit more convinced of the wisdom of people who have come to the conculsion that the war was wrong. Seeing negative reports every night and no positive reports and then coming to a negative opinion isn’t a sign of wisdom, it’s an indication of brainwashing. But I’m not saying anything new here – everyone on this board knows all this.
Please answer this: don’t you think that considering that all the reporting on the war on everywhere but Fox has been negative, that people turning against the war is exactly what you would expect regardless of the actual facts?
Guess what? That’s more than CNN and the networks do. What Fox does additionally is represent the spokesmen for the hard left, who make their arguements against conservatives loud and clear. That’s what I meat. Fox is fair and balanced, at least compared to everyone else. And conservative audiences aren’t dumb. When they see their points of view argued and won in that kind of forum, and see the left-leaning media not allow for such discussion at all, they see plainly that manipulation is at work on a mammoth scale, and they are rightfully infuriated.
Please answer this: considering that Fox news has loud and constant liberal voices and CNN, MSNBC and the netwrks only have liberal and virtually no conservative voices, that Fox is by far more fair and balanced than the others?
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That might be true, but it’s equally true that when someone is right and gets together with alot of other people who are right they compare notes and see just how right they are. The problem here I think is not the format, the problem here is that you’re assuming that conservatives are generally wrong. I submit to you that if that were the case, CNN, NSNBC and the networks would put conservatives on the air day and night and let the American people see how wrong they are. They don’t. they silence conservative voices. Please answer this: Given that context, doesn’t the behavior of the mainstream media seem just a tad sinister and intellectually dishonest to you?
And also, were that situation true – that conservatives would prove themselves wrong whenever allowed to be heard – wouldn’t the Democrat candidates be absolutely drooling to debate on Fox News? Of course – any sense of altruism they might possess doesn’t go that far to be sure. They’re scared. They’re running away like frightened cowards, putting up an indignat face to cover their cowardice. Fox will hold their feet to the fire and they’re afraid of that. That means dishonesty is afoot with the Dems, while the Republicans seem confident to debate on any network. That must inform you of some large and significant, yes? It must also inform you of something grave about the Dems honesty and preparedness to face honesty, both on the part of the candidates and on the part of the media, who generally do a very good job of showing the negative side of the war and silencing conservative voices, which, appraised honestly, can be seen as nothing less than sinister.
Please answer this: don’t you think that there is more dishonesty represented by CNN, MSNBC and the networks than Fox by the very fact that the former three refuse to report both sides and refuse to give conservatives virtually any air time let alone equal air time?
That high ground remark sounds a tad sarcastic, Darknight, and this has been a good discussion. Let’s keep this civil. Suffice to say that when the libs lead the way on civility, conservatives who were for years gentlemanly to a fault in the face of sarcasm, will likely follow. Humor is a devistating tool. I won’t leave it to the libs alone to utilize, and honestly speaking, nor should you.
Please answer this: don’t you think that last remark is fair?
We already get that every night – there’s no balance there, that would only be additional negativity piled on what is already there. Personally, I lament the fact that the liberal media shows only the negative and not the good of the war, therefore making the ultimate sacrifice of our best blood you wish to lament seem nearly worthless, and sometimes criminal on the part of the troops themselves. Let the left media show both sides, Darknight. Let them do that. And then we can discuss your side of this arguement re further lamenting the deaths. Let’s show some of the good work these people you want to lament are doing – for the sake of their memories – before demanding we show more unbalanced negativity, which in point of fact, is more or less what you’re calling for.
Please answer this: don’t you think that calling for lamenting every troop is calling for more media negativity about the war?
Also, don’t you think that before calling for that, you should consistantly cal for the media to show us the good the troops are doing with at least as much regularity?
So far so good.
What a idiot. Michelle, don’t waste your time on him. Just let him have enough rope. He will hang himself.
Ya’know I was disappointed when FoxNews hired Geraldo. It was all about sensationalism. We knew it at the time.
I don’t mean to stoop to name-calling, that is not my intent, but Geraldo is a wind bag. And an emotional one at that. He’s got so much emotional baggage and he brings it to the screen for us all to endure.
Could he think critically for even a moment?
Fortunately, Fox tucked him away on late night Saturdays. He’s easy to avoid at that time slot.
I have no idea why my post with his address was deleted. He (or whoever actually has his Blackberry) asked me to pass on his apology, and he said something interesting in his follow up email. It is frustrating that posts are deleted without explanation, it would be nice if someone stated how I violated the terms of use. You can email him at his first and last name, with a dot between, at his current employer
Well conservative cat, it has been a fantastic discussion. As you can see, we weren’t the only two still reading this far down! 204 comments…whew! Over the next week, my access to internet will be virtually non existent as I am away. Rest assured, I will try my best to answer your questions that you posed because they deserve an answer. Next Wednesday will probably be close to when I get full internet access. In the mean time, let me say that this was one of best (and civil) conversations I have had on this blog. If my remark was a little sarcastic and non-civil, I apologize for that is exactly what is needed in today’s political arena. So, I will write back soon, but thanks for all that has been discussed so far. It’s been a pleasure.
Just to clarify, what is needed is MORE civil discussion, not sarcastic remarks. LOL
Just to clarify, we need MORE civility, not sarcastic remarks. LOL
Geraldo has used up all the good will he accrued when he exposed Willowbrook 30+ years ago. I used to defend him by bringing up that very important story from early in his career, but I no longer care.
Nahhh, they’re just skipping over these impossibly verbose posts of ours – no one has chimed in at all. In ten years Duncan Hunter will be president, Michelle malkin will be secretary of state but you and I will still be at it, buring the midnight oil on a long-forgotten thread at 146,975 posts – the perfect defination of a free society.
Well, I understand that it takes most liberals many days to concoct answers to devistating conservative questions –
– but that’s okay. Have a safe and fun trip. I’ll be sure to check back here next week.
Please excuse the second post but for the young ‘uns I should explain Willowbrook was a hellhole on Staten Island NY for the mentally challenged where the conditions were beyond medieval.
In the early 70s Geraldo Rivera was a reporter on the local ABC news here in NY. He and a cameraman (film at 11 in those days) snuck in and took footage I still remember vividly. It’s painful to describe the filth and degradation in which the residents were forced to wallow.
As a result of Geraldo’s reports the place was closed and the residents sent to humane facilities. This was a major, major story in NY and Geraldo became a new sort of folk hero to New Yorkers.
For Geraldo to have blown those good thoughts about him right out of my head required years of ever-increasing hubris and bile on his part. He is not a nice man.
let’s see the NY Times Calls you a firecracker and Geraldo calls you vile.
Does that make you a vile firecraker?
All,
A write up on Geraldo on insidecablenews supposedly the Networks read this feedback if that is the case then Fox News, should be looking at the comments about this blog. In case you would like to leave a comment?
http://insidecable.blogsome.com/2007/09/06/geraldo-rivera-profile/
Just had a big duh moment concerning the hypocrisy of Geraldo’s own statement:
To be honest, up until now I had just been focusing on the spit comment, but put the two together and it’s comical in it’s hypocrisy. Because you know, spitting on a person, a lady no less, is well, vile and hateful. I know I know…..DUH!
Laree,
Post #212
I did my part (post #8 on that site). Who else will chime in?
Mr CC,
I just left my comment number #10 on insidecablenews.com, I am calling Fox and Mr O’Reilly to take some long over due action.
I don’t think Geraldo, was expecting the Spitting Issue to make it into his profile on insidecablenews.com. I think it says all you need to know about him…this is classless. Gentlemen do not state, they will Spit on a woman, Gentlemen don’t threaten to Spit on anyone.
Laree,
Gentlemen don’t do alot of things he does. Like have an affair with someone like Bette Midler and then when caught, justifies his actions by saying he was a “sex addict”. Yeah, a “sex addict”. that reminds me of an old line – Lon Chaney: “When the moon comes up, I turn into a (were)wolf.” Lou Costello: “Yeah, you and 20 million other guys.”
Note also how he says in the Boston Globe piece that he has reason to be satisified because, “I’ve been famous for 20 years.” Wow. Yeah. “Famous”. Sheesh. What a guy.
Laree,
That was a great post you put up there. (mine was #7, by the way, not 8. You can always tell my posts: just look for the one a mile long.
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Mr CC,
I don’t think Famous and Infamous are the samething:)
Geraldo was on O’Reilly tonight. No mention of Michelle, but Geraldo did say this:
“Iraq is within spitting distance of the suez canal.”
And then:
“I urinated in Bin Laden’s house in Bora Bora.”
Does this guy have a fetish or what? It would be funny to think so, but the way he slightly paused on the word spit suggests to me that this whole thing is very much on his mind. Let’s keep the pressure up until this guy eats the humble pie which is just glowing on the cover of his personal menu.
Laree,
Match point to you again!
So he finally apologized.
He’s still the Mustachio Misogynist.
Well, it’s been 2 weeks and Geraldo’s finally apologized. Actually it was kinda pulled out of him by Bill O’Reilly. I wonder if the google ads is what did it. It didn’t look to me like he really felt like apologizing. Don Imus looked more convincing.
Geraldo:SMD you worthless POS .An apology ( even if genuine) is nothing more than an excuse to behave just as idiotically as you have before.You serve no purpose on earth,other than to promote your own self-delusions,you lowlife pile of garbage…….Oops, I had decided that this scum was not worth commenting on,but I guess I fell victum to the heat of the moment.Please forgive my transgression.I”m sorry.
Well, that was no apology as I’d define it.
1. O’Reilly had to argue him into it, essentially.
2. As always, it was about Geraldo. “I saw this, I felt that”. It wasn’t an apology, it was a series of excuses.
3. He never actually really apologized per se. What he did was say that by making the spitting threat, he was acting out of character, and kind-of apologized in the abstract to the Miss Manners of the world, but he never did what he needed to do to apologize: never took back his words calling Michelle vile and hateful. That’s where the core transgresion is, not in his thread to illegally assult her, this girl half his weight and twice his intellect, which was merely the punctuation point after the fact.
This guy is an absolute, total disgrace and this isn’t over. I’d politely but urgently suggest to everyone to keep writing until we get a little contrition from this creep. This isn’t enough. Not even close.
Keep writing.