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		<title>By: &#8220;One small step backward for a man&#8221; &#171; Likelihood of Success</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#8220;One small step backward for a man&#8221; &#171; Likelihood of Success</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2007 18:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] UPDATE: A related argument, from Kim du Toit, and one from Michelle Malkin. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Leatherneck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leatherneck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 00:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We get all kinds of stuff here from illegal aliens at the hospital I work at. The invasion, the diseases, and anchor babies the illegals bring is only part of the attack on American culture.

Paid for by the United States tax payer. But, Chertoff, and Condi are doing a great job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We get all kinds of stuff here from illegal aliens at the hospital I work at. The invasion, the diseases, and anchor babies the illegals bring is only part of the attack on American culture.</p>
<p>Paid for by the United States tax payer. But, Chertoff, and Condi are doing a great job.</p>
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		<title>By: One small step backward for a man &#171; Likelihood of Success</title>
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		<dc:creator>One small step backward for a man &#171; Likelihood of Success</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 19:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] UPDATE: A related argument, from Kim du Toit, and one from Michelle Malkin. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: ChePibe</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChePibe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 07:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Shameless cross post... accidentally  first posted on other page&lt;/em&gt;

When I went to Argentina for two years (thus the nick), I was forced to take a TB test - X-ray, mind you, not the pin-prick test - for my visa. I was told that this was for “reciprocity” reasons - we did it to them, so they did it to us.

After serving as a missionary in the decaying slums of Buenos Aires for two years, coming into contact with many people that had TB, and picking up many nagging cardiovascular symptoms, the doctors here were almost sure I had it and rushed me through to X-Ray to make sure I didn’t. Luckily, I came up clean, although whatever I picked up while I was down there still nags me to this day.

There’s a reason for the double standard - lots of them have TB. Very, very few Americans actually contract it here. Sorry, Latin America, but here’s the truth - you have a lot more health problems than we will ever have because your socialized medicine has failed entirely and you live in a state of poverty of your own creation.

Releasing a kid like this is idiocy so long as he may have the disease. I speak from experience - I’ve seen what it does to people up close, and it’s not pretty. Releasing someone who has a contagious disease of this severity to the general public is lunacy.


Had I been found to have TB when I got home (I had always just assumed my constant cold was just another one of the little ailments I&#039;d picked up along the way and did not realize the gravity of the situation until I spoke with my doctor shortly after return), I would immediately have been subject to lengthy tests, antibiotic treatments, and placed under close supervision - and I&#039;m a citizen!  Letting loose an illegal, a kid who likely moves a few times a year and lives in close contact with far more people than I did is idiocy.  Ship him back - let him enjoy the miracle of socialized medicine we all hear so much about from the left.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Shameless cross post&#8230; accidentally  first posted on other page</em></p>
<p>When I went to Argentina for two years (thus the nick), I was forced to take a TB test &#8211; X-ray, mind you, not the pin-prick test &#8211; for my visa. I was told that this was for “reciprocity” reasons &#8211; we did it to them, so they did it to us.</p>
<p>After serving as a missionary in the decaying slums of Buenos Aires for two years, coming into contact with many people that had TB, and picking up many nagging cardiovascular symptoms, the doctors here were almost sure I had it and rushed me through to X-Ray to make sure I didn’t. Luckily, I came up clean, although whatever I picked up while I was down there still nags me to this day.</p>
<p>There’s a reason for the double standard &#8211; lots of them have TB. Very, very few Americans actually contract it here. Sorry, Latin America, but here’s the truth &#8211; you have a lot more health problems than we will ever have because your socialized medicine has failed entirely and you live in a state of poverty of your own creation.</p>
<p>Releasing a kid like this is idiocy so long as he may have the disease. I speak from experience &#8211; I’ve seen what it does to people up close, and it’s not pretty. Releasing someone who has a contagious disease of this severity to the general public is lunacy.</p>
<p>Had I been found to have TB when I got home (I had always just assumed my constant cold was just another one of the little ailments I&#8217;d picked up along the way and did not realize the gravity of the situation until I spoke with my doctor shortly after return), I would immediately have been subject to lengthy tests, antibiotic treatments, and placed under close supervision &#8211; and I&#8217;m a citizen!  Letting loose an illegal, a kid who likely moves a few times a year and lives in close contact with far more people than I did is idiocy.  Ship him back &#8211; let him enjoy the miracle of socialized medicine we all hear so much about from the left.</p>
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		<title>By: gunslingerpatriot</title>
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		<dc:creator>gunslingerpatriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 03:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with biological agents is that it will affect each person diffrently depending on; age, gender, race (malaria specifically for people G6PD deficient/Positive for sickle cell anemia), weather conditions (most virues have a narrow temperature range to be contagious) and whether a persons immune system is compromised due to cancer or AIDS.

As a retired Navy HM; I wasn&#039;t to concerned about the biological agents that we have immunizations for (e.g. typhoid, tetanus, yellow fever, anthax and others)-but the biologicals that had been considered eradicated by the WHO and which people are no longer being immunized for such as Small Pox, and Polio.

As far as TB is concerned, the only way a person is going to know that they have been exposed (prior to showing the later symptons) is to take the PPD skin test.  If the test comes back with a 10mm or larger enduration, then depending upon one&#039;s age treatment is begun.  
The point is that a person generally doesn&#039;t know who exposed them during the interval between PPD tests.  The most common exception is person living or working with TB patients or family member. 

Just my 2 cents worth...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with biological agents is that it will affect each person diffrently depending on; age, gender, race (malaria specifically for people G6PD deficient/Positive for sickle cell anemia), weather conditions (most virues have a narrow temperature range to be contagious) and whether a persons immune system is compromised due to cancer or AIDS.</p>
<p>As a retired Navy HM; I wasn&#8217;t to concerned about the biological agents that we have immunizations for (e.g. typhoid, tetanus, yellow fever, anthax and others)-but the biologicals that had been considered eradicated by the WHO and which people are no longer being immunized for such as Small Pox, and Polio.</p>
<p>As far as TB is concerned, the only way a person is going to know that they have been exposed (prior to showing the later symptons) is to take the PPD skin test.  If the test comes back with a 10mm or larger enduration, then depending upon one&#8217;s age treatment is begun.<br />
The point is that a person generally doesn&#8217;t know who exposed them during the interval between PPD tests.  The most common exception is person living or working with TB patients or family member. </p>
<p>Just my 2 cents worth&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: crashemt</title>
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		<dc:creator>crashemt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 01:49:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is a serious disease.  Working in health care, I have been exposed countless numbers of times.  Many times, I was fortunate enough to know the diagnosis, and wore proper protective gear.  Sometimes, we weren&#039;t so like.  I have been fortunate to never convert.  

I have been started on and run courses of INH.  It is not pleasant, but necessary after exposure and before the results are back in.

IF you would like more facts on TB, please check the following link:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.globalhealthfacts.org/topic.jsp?i=14&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;TB  Numbers Worldwide&lt;/a&gt;

We are fortunate to live in an area with access to medications and care for these diseases, which makes their prevalence very low.  Prevalence is also low in most Central and South America countries.  Higher than the US, but low on average.

Public safety is not on the minds of our politicians, unless it makes them and their constituents money.  There is no money in TB treatment, but there is money in the slavery of illegal immigrants and in cheap labor.

Remember that in the next election cycle</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a serious disease.  Working in health care, I have been exposed countless numbers of times.  Many times, I was fortunate enough to know the diagnosis, and wore proper protective gear.  Sometimes, we weren&#8217;t so like.  I have been fortunate to never convert.  </p>
<p>I have been started on and run courses of INH.  It is not pleasant, but necessary after exposure and before the results are back in.</p>
<p>IF you would like more facts on TB, please check the following link:<br />
<a href="http://www.globalhealthfacts.org/topic.jsp?i=14" rel="nofollow">TB  Numbers Worldwide</a></p>
<p>We are fortunate to live in an area with access to medications and care for these diseases, which makes their prevalence very low.  Prevalence is also low in most Central and South America countries.  Higher than the US, but low on average.</p>
<p>Public safety is not on the minds of our politicians, unless it makes them and their constituents money.  There is no money in TB treatment, but there is money in the slavery of illegal immigrants and in cheap labor.</p>
<p>Remember that in the next election cycle</p>
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		<title>By: OldGuy53</title>
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		<dc:creator>OldGuy53</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 01:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You do know that TB can be spread if the person infected spits on you.
Or breaths or talks in your direction....
&lt;a href=&quot;http://cpmcnet.columbia.edu/dept/harlemtb/tb101/tb101_intro_howtbspread.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;How Is TB Spread?&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;TB is spread through the air from one person to another. The bacteria are put into the air when a person with TB disease of the lungs or throat coughs or sneezes. Laughing, singing, or playing brass or woodwind instruments can also spread the germs in an enclosed space. People nearby may breathe in these bacteria and become infected.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You do know that TB can be spread if the person infected spits on you.<br />
Or breaths or talks in your direction&#8230;.<br />
<a href="http://cpmcnet.columbia.edu/dept/harlemtb/tb101/tb101_intro_howtbspread.htm" rel="nofollow">How Is TB Spread?</a></p>
<blockquote><p>TB is spread through the air from one person to another. The bacteria are put into the air when a person with TB disease of the lungs or throat coughs or sneezes. Laughing, singing, or playing brass or woodwind instruments can also spread the germs in an enclosed space. People nearby may breathe in these bacteria and become infected.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: The TIW Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; TB UPDATE: Illegals threaten American's health</title>
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		<dc:creator>The TIW Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; TB UPDATE: Illegals threaten American's health</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 00:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Thanks to Michelle Malkin, the public health threat presented by illegal immigration is again in the spotlight. Read the article HERE. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dr. Lead Based Paint</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Lead Based Paint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 00:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A Columbia Farms chicken plant in Greenville, South Carolina half of 286 workers, mostly illegals, tested positive for TB and was reported in the newspaper on June 19.  The media  hushed the story and we are left wondering about how widespread the TB problem really is.  Multiply this by thousands of locations around the USA and we have a serious health threat that our government will not acknowledge because the carriers are illegal aliens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Columbia Farms chicken plant in Greenville, South Carolina half of 286 workers, mostly illegals, tested positive for TB and was reported in the newspaper on June 19.  The media  hushed the story and we are left wondering about how widespread the TB problem really is.  Multiply this by thousands of locations around the USA and we have a serious health threat that our government will not acknowledge because the carriers are illegal aliens.</p>
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		<title>By: zorro</title>
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		<dc:creator>zorro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2007 23:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if the TSA has a plan to quarantine travelers (or entire airplanes) found to be infected with or exposed to TB or small pox or whatever?  There are a lot of airports here in the USA, I&#039;d bet half of them do not have a plan to deal with 200-300 passengers exposed to an infectious disease after some transatlantic flight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if the TSA has a plan to quarantine travelers (or entire airplanes) found to be infected with or exposed to TB or small pox or whatever?  There are a lot of airports here in the USA, I&#8217;d bet half of them do not have a plan to deal with 200-300 passengers exposed to an infectious disease after some transatlantic flight.</p>
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		<title>By: Old War Dogs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Old War Dogs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2007 23:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;2007.09.09 Politics and National Defense Roundup...&lt;/strong&gt;

Petraeus, Crocker To Say Stay The Course
Bush&#039;s Top Iraq Advisers To Warn Congress About Changes In War Strategy  ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>2007.09.09 Politics and National Defense Roundup&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Petraeus, Crocker To Say Stay The Course<br />
Bush&#8217;s Top Iraq Advisers To Warn Congress About Changes In War Strategy  &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: bear1909</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2007/09/09/if-we-cant-counter-tb-how-can-we-counter-terrorism/comment-page-1/#comment-126553</link>
		<dc:creator>bear1909</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2007 23:12:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The CDC isn&#039;t what it used to be.  I will leave folks to determine &quot;why&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The CDC isn&#8217;t what it used to be.  I will leave folks to determine &#8220;why&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Dandapani</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2007/09/09/if-we-cant-counter-tb-how-can-we-counter-terrorism/comment-page-1/#comment-126552</link>
		<dc:creator>Dandapani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2007 23:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the Public Treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits from the Public Treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy always followed by dictatorship.

- Alexander Fraser Tyler,&#039;The Decline and Fall of the Athenian Republic&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the Public Treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits from the Public Treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy always followed by dictatorship.</p>
<p>- Alexander Fraser Tyler,&#8217;The Decline and Fall of the Athenian Republic&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: katieanne</title>
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		<dc:creator>katieanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2007 23:03:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Read today&#039;s &quot;Get Fuzzy&quot;.  Pretty much sums up the Democrats, IMO.

http://www.comics.com/comics/getfuzzy/

Democrats don&#039;t have the spine to do anything except raise taxes.  They can&#039;t make the tough decisions about national security and from what I have seen, they don&#039;t think there is a problem with US security or illegal immigration.  Tell me...why would anyone vote for a Democrat?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Read today&#8217;s &#8220;Get Fuzzy&#8221;.  Pretty much sums up the Democrats, IMO.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.comics.com/comics/getfuzzy/" rel="nofollow">http://www.comics.com/comics/getfuzzy/</a></p>
<p>Democrats don&#8217;t have the spine to do anything except raise taxes.  They can&#8217;t make the tough decisions about national security and from what I have seen, they don&#8217;t think there is a problem with US security or illegal immigration.  Tell me&#8230;why would anyone vote for a Democrat?</p>
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		<title>By: Dersu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dersu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2007 22:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MM said:
&lt;blockquote&gt; “If we can’t counter TB, how can we counter terrorism?”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Who said the demoncrats want to.
I don&#039;t think that is part of their plan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MM said:</p>
<blockquote><p> “If we can’t counter TB, how can we counter terrorism?”</p></blockquote>
<p>Who said the demoncrats want to.<br />
I don&#8217;t think that is part of their plan.</p>
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