9/10 people vs. 9/12 people
My column this week is on John Doe in post-9/11 America. Excerpt:
“If only.” Those are the verbal crutches America must discard in a post-9/11 world.
If only the State Department hadn’t been so sloppy in issuing visas to the 9/11 hijackers. If only police and state troopers had been able to check the immigration status of the hijackers who were pulled over for speeding before the attacks. If only universities had been more diligent in monitoring the hijackers’ whereabouts. If only the feds had listened to alert agents’ recommendations to profile young Arab students in our flight schools. If only someone, anyone, had said something when they saw the suspicious behavior of the jihadists on dry runs.
We have borne the bloody costs of coulda-woulda-shoulda. Nearly 3,000 dead. The World Trade Center in ruins. The Pentagon on fire. The fields at Shanksville, Pa., scarred. Six years later, we can no longer afford hindsight heavy breathing. Memory must guide action. And action must be taken without apology…
… Earlier this year, jihadist enablers attempted to intimidate citizen whistleblowers who said something about the suspicious behavior of six imams on a US Airways flight in Minneapolis/St. Paul. The legal battle to protect ordinary Americans from such lawsuits gave rise to the John Doe movement. Pro bono lawyers and GOP members of Congress stepped up to provide protection. And Americans across the country expressed solidarity with the airline passengers targeted by the Council on American-Islamic Relations and its ilk.
The Left greeted the John Doe movement with mockery and derision, preferring instead to suck its collective thumb, wield the grievance card and play the blame game. But it’s the John Does of the country, not the race-hustling litigators and speech-stiflers, who will help prevent the next terrorist attack. They are John Does like Brian Morgenstern, the young Circuit City employee who contacted authorities after viewing a jihadist training video by the Fort Dix Six Plotters.
“It was a difficult decision at first,” Morgenstern told Fox News. “I went home, and I talked with my family about it. And we all came to the general conclusion that it was the right thing to do.” No regrets. No apologies. And no “if onlys.”
Not everyone is willing to do the right thing. When the FBI recently asked for the public’s help in identifying two men acting suspiciously on Pacific Northwest ferries, the Seattle Post-Intelligencer newspaper refused to run the photos — and instead held a reader haiku contest mocking the terrorism concerns. When two young Muslim men were arrested and indicted on weapons and terrorism charges after being stopped near a naval base in Goose Creek, S.C., Muslim civil rights groups immediately cried racism and suggested that law enforcement officials were bigoted and paranoid.
There are 9/10 people and there are 9/12 people. 9/10 people live in a world of make-believe, where sensitivity trumps security and second-guessing is their only acceptable homeland security policy. 9/12 people are the John Does in your neighborhood, on your plane, train or bus, moving ahead with their lives but always on alert.
Which one are you?
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Karol at Alarming News took to the streets in a 9/10 vs. 9/12 showdown at Ground Zero, countering the Truther crowd with the real truth. Bravo.
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9/12
Minneapolis airport again! They weren’t tapping their toes too were they?!
9/10 people see totalitarian regimes as the paragon to emulate as long as the enemy is us (America), 9/12 people recognize the dangers–and choose to act, not blame.
Terrorist and totalitarian apologists, what a combination!
Man, can we build from there?
Soap = 9/12
Let’s roll!
The brave people on the “Pennsylvania plane” were 9/12 people on 9/11. They acted and did what they needed to do to protect their fellow citizens and their country. I will never forget their stories, and they inspire me to be a 9/12 person.
Just one minor correction, elpresidente.
I choose to blame – I blame the terrorists, their ideology, and their enablers (the politically correct lovers of diversity). The difference is we know where to appropriately place the blame AND act.
AMEN!!! They ARE the first heroes of the war on Islamic Fascists.
Oh, and for those 9/10, Cindy Sheehan, Human Barricade type persons….
There were 3 planes that were “pacifists” and look what happened.
No, I do NOT make that statement to anger anybody. I make it for those on the left that say “Leave them alone and we’ll all be safe”.
IMO, you would have to be a fool and to be living with your head in the sand to be a 9/10 person. I am not a fool.
9/1! However, it is impossible to change the “minds” of the tinfoil hatted leftist loons in my life!
Geeez…..9/12
What really gets my dander up is these idiots (funny they choose pink) can’t understand that if these Jihadists are willing to kill Muslims, how much more do they love killing westerners?
So, if we play nice, they will not blow people up? Probably can’t put 2 and 2 together!
Head meet arse.
9/10 people are also the ones who are still putting the interests of Israel over the interests of the United States–the Joe Liebermans, the Evangelical Zionists, the neoconservatives–the War Party and its cheerleaders.
On 9/11, evil forces tried to bring this country to it’s knees.
In a manner, they succeeded, as millions of Americans bent down in prayer and to ask God for the strength and courage to do what needed to be done.
Many since have risen up from their knees to stand tall in the face of these murderers and to move forward.
It is those who have done so who proudly carry on the honor and traditions of our country.
It is those who have done so who say, “I will not submit”.
It is those who had done so, who are among the 9/12 citizenry.
All others remain on their knees, capitulating to the forces of terrorism, and bowing to their self-proclaimed ideas of ‘progressivism’, by neglecting the service, sacrifice and courage of all before them who made it possible for them to have a choice in the matter.
I choose to stand. I will not forget.
I am 9.12
I choose the 9/12 mentality and will stay vigilant and have fallen back into my old “Cold War” anti-terrorism habits. I always watch what is going on around me when out of the house, or when off base I am always packing thanks to my CCW, and I am armed with a cell phone with numbers to the MHAFB Security Forces and local authorities on speed dial. I will observe and report any suspicious activity, but if necessary will use deadly force to protect those around me from harm like any good sheepdog.
God help the terrorist that crosses my path I have hated them since the Munich Olympics when I was a young kid and have bottled up many years of rage to act out on any who cross my path. During my active duty days I had to keep a sharp eye out for the IRA, ETA, the Red Army Brigade, the Bader Mienhof Gang, the PLO, the Libyans (they were a little upset at the KC-10 community after we brought F-111s from RAF Lakenheath to distribute gifts after the Berlin disco bombing), and Al Qaeda. I never sit in any establishment with my back to the door and my wife always allows me the gunfighter seat. Old habits are sometimes the best habits.
By this definition, then the terrorists are succeeding in creating fear. I, for one, am not afraid. I am not going to be killed in a terrorist attack any more than I am going to get hit by lightning or die of meningitis. I fear a car accident or cancer much more, which is not much at all on a daily basis. I do not dwell on 9/11 and the only personal effects it has had on me is that flying is now a pain in the backside, as well as a growing disgust in the way our rights are being compromised because people are afraid. STOP BEING AFRAID.
What if the 9/10 people actually want to see the objectives of 9/11 made real?
I don’t mean they necessarily want to live under an Islamist tyranny, but it being the only tyranny available…
Never Forget Never Submit.
“Do no harm.”, that’s the first thing doctors learn in medical school. If you don’t think carefully, your “treatment” might cause the patient more harm than the disease.
The same goes for protecting America. Our steps to protect ourselves might have unintended consequences that put us in more danger. The wise leader, like the good doctor, must consider side effects.
How will the US Muslim community react to aggressive profiling? Will part of it turn into a domestic breeding ground for terrorists as has happened in Europe (but not the US)?
What will happen if we depose Saddam? Will Iraqis joyfully form a peaceful secular government or will there be violent resistance and religious infighting that destabilizes the region?
Good intentions are not enough. Not for your health and not for the country we all love.
I think you misunderstand. Being a 9/12 person is about being vigilant not afraid. Other attacks can be thwarted by vigilance – not fear. Being a 9/12 person is being aware of your surroundings and the people in said surroundings.
Soap is never afraid!
…and we’re still waiting for those poor mis-understood young men to come forward.
/sarc
So you should, as that is how too many Americans die. Certainly not by terrorism.
USA – Estimated number deaths 2000-2005
3,000 Terrorism
96,000 Homicide
102,00 Drunk Driving
154,884 Obesity
436,890 Diabetes
2,311,134 Cancer
2,652,000 Smoking Related
3,119,142 Heart Disease
I thought James Woods did say something on one of their dry runs but if fell on deaf ears or was just fell through the holes somehow? Ninetwelvers Unite!
Vigilance is not fear.
America was not vigilant on the morning of 12/7/41.
America was on 12/8/41.
America was not vigilant on the morning of 9/11/01.
America is today.
I do not fear. But by the same token, I don’t go through life with my eyes closed either.
No one here is advocating fear. Fear is what will bring tyranny. Fear is what will bring a loss of liberty.
Vigilance is what will defend us from both tyranny and that loss of liberty.
Sausage – while you are correct in your numbers ( I’m assuming. I have no reason to doubt them ) – the fact remains that one, or a series of well placed attacks using a WMD could very well result in surpassing that 3 million + number for heart disease in a nano-second.
And before you say that it is terribly unlikely it will happen – I agree – HOWEVER, the fact remains that we have enemies out there who would relish the opportunity, and are actively seeking the means to do it.
Vigilance. Not fear.
I am a 9-11 person because there is no way I can look back before that day and live in the fantasy land that I inhabited. I and my family had our eyes and our ears opened on that day and they have not been shut since and they never will……..I am Jane Doe and I will also not only call you out I will also tell the authorities and by the way sue me if you like it will be my pleasure.
If we think like Sausage we might as well submit……….
NOT A CHANCE…NEVER SUBMIT
Count me among the 9/12′ers.
As a retitred Law Enforcement Officer I have my DHS concealed weapon authorization. The 9mm Sig is always loaded with the first one in the chamber. It goes where I go everytime I go.
Yes sausage, my Sig and I always weare our seatbelts.
Yeah. So we should just ignore it, right? Answer this question honestly, sausage; If the terrorists on 9/11 could have placed nuclear or chemical weapons on those planes that would have detonated at impact and killed 100’s of thousands or millions, would they have done so? Or would they have refrained from it out of the goodness of their hearts?
I am obviously a 9/12 kind of guy.
The 9/10 mentality is alive and strong. One merely needs to take a hard look at the Virginia Tech Massacre report and see its pacifist and socialistic nature.
I am a 9/12 thinker – and that means I have to take responsibility for my own defense. Reliance on police is quite inadequate.
jr.#24,if I may add-history shows that the terribly unlikely happens far more often than anyone would expect.
The problem with pacifism is that it’s an appeal rooted in reason and decency directed at people who are obviously bereft of those qualities.
Pacifism will not work, pacifism can not work. Peace is for the strong.
9/12 all the way plus…
We don’t know that for sure. We have no idea what really happened on board those other planes.
How many ‘heroes’ did try to do the right thing and unfortunately failed?
Some may say the Pennsylvania plane’s heroes failed as well –
Considering that the terrorists were probably NOT looking to fly their plane into an empty field – I would guess that there are several hundred or several thousand alive today because they tried.
“Which one are you?” Michelle asks.
I’d say with very few exceptions (and they know who they are), anyone posting here is a 9/12 person.
Living in a world of make-believe, indeed. 9/10 people are so fervently anti-Bush because he’s a lot less threatening than having to confront the reality that there really are a collction of 7th Century throwbacks out there who want to kill or enslave us all.
After all, they can openly claim that Bush is going to create a fascistic Christianist theocracy, knowing that they can sleep soundly at night without fear of jackbooted Republican storm-troopers kicking in their doors.
It’s a “safe” hatred, especially when compared to the inherent risks of facing an enemy who really does mean them harm.
It’s a “safe” hatred, especially when compared to the inherent risks of facing an enemy who really does mean them harm.
Bravo. An idea of a safe vs unsafe hatred. Much like the idiots in Europe just prior to WW-II.
What’s worse, soapbox, is that the ideologies lefties hold so dear (abortion, feminism, same-sex marriage, relative morals, separation of church and state) are the FIRST things that will go under an Islamic regime. They get hysterical about crosses in public parks, but don’t give a second thought to women being oppressed or gays being stoned to death, etc. in Islamic countries – or the fact that terrorists have made it clear they want to bring that archaic rule of law to our nation!
Sausage – we will never fully understand the impact of the 9/11 attacks. Downtown Manhattan has what – a few million people in it on a daily basis? Those dust particles and debris have already caused illness in some of the first-responders and search/rescue dogs. How many Manhattanites will fall ill in the coming years because of 9/11?
Don’t think for one second that each of their deaths isn’t a cause for celebration by the terrorists.
And we’re not just talking about preventing terrorist attacks here – we’re talking about the literal future of Western civilization. Islam hates everything the West stands for and has, and wants to turn us into the same third-world economy and political situation as they live in. They want us to lose our freedoms, our laws, and our way of life.
Being of a 9/12 mindset deals with much more than terrorist attacks.
#34~
Prior to 9/11, when a plane was hijacked, everyone was expected to just follow the hijackers demands. Up until then, hijacked airliners ended up on a tarmac somewhere and negotiations ensued. So, the first 3 planes did what was “SOP” during a hijacking. But, the terrorists had a couple little wrinkles in their plan – one flight was delayed in getting off the ground; they were also one hijacker short. When Flight 93 was hijacked, some were able to call loved ones on the ground, and they learned of what had already happened in New York and at the Pentagon. Those on Flight 93 knew their fate if they followed “SOP” – they were going to die. So, in an attempt to change their fate, or at least the fate of potential victims on the ground, they tried to retake control of the airplane. Amazingly, one of the passengers was a pilot. Yes, a commercial jet isn’t like some private plane, but what if they had succeeded in overpowering the hijackers and regained control over the aircraft? Might they have been able to get the plane back on the ground? More “if only”, but if the heroes of Flight 93 had just accepted their fate without challenging the hijackers, how many more would have died that day?
Unfortunately I believe it is only the beginning. We live in the world view of the 1960’s unable to break the death grip of the leftists, make love not war crowd. Yeah they have lost ground in the readership of major papers and the general news divisions but they control, without much of a fight, the American college and university, Most media, entertainment, and most of the larger metropolitan governments. The open borders lobby is strong and our government on both sides are pandering to special interests. Our national security is in the hands of a guy like Chertoff and people like Ron “the soviets of the cold war are the same as the jihadists of today” Paul get an audience in the largest game ever played.
I have always been a 9-13 person. I am liberal more than anything but being liberal does not mean being stupid. Just ask the 2 Millers, Zell and Dennis. Until such time as we, you here and I and the powers that be decide to stand against them we will be extremely vunerable. We can stop look and listen till the cows come home but until we learn to fight as well as them….we will lose. Count on it.
Ummm, dude, Dennis jumped ship and is no longer a liberal – sorry.
#40~
Well, maybe he should have said “Democrat”, not “liberal”. Doesn’t Zell still identify as a Dem, although he endorsed Bush in 2004? Listening to the radio this morning to whoever was sitting in for Boortz, a caller said, that like Zell Miller, he didn’t leave the Democrat Party, it left him…
There are a number of, let’s call them “9/11 Democrats.” They do see the enemy we’re up against and recognize him as anathema to their own beliefs. Zell Miller (his speech at the 04 Republican Convention is worth re-reading), Ed Koch, Joe Lieberman and a few others.
What I’d really like to see is them try to rescue the democratic Party from the far left, or, perhaps better, set up their own party and take some of the blue dogs with them.
Wouldn’t it be nice to have an opposing party that does not oppose America?
“What I’d really like to see is them try to rescue the democratic Party from the far left, or, perhaps better, set up their own party and take some of the blue dogs with them.”
They are or at least Liberman does. Unfortunately he gets no “real” help from us.
Here is an older showdown between an 9/10 truther and 9/12′er Danny Bonaduce. Good stuff.
UMMMM dude, Dennis said he is “liberal on some issues and conservative on others.” So uh dude am I …it’s called independent thought. Try it sometime.
9-12, close the border and deport illegals.
Amen to that John
Exactly John.
And for all those that say “we can’t deport them all…”, please replace Illegal Aliens with “Al-qaeda”. Then look how foolish you sound to me.
Oh Pacifism does indeed work. It works against those that have a moral background and common sense. It worked in India with Ghandi, Civil rights in this country. Again, it takes somebody with a conscience in order to make it work.
To those without a conscience who look to harm us…BE AFRAID…BE VERY AFRAID
Dkian (#42) asked
How can you be so sure you’re right that you think those who disagree with you oppose America?
Come to think of it, the majority of Americans (at this moment) oppose Bush, want to pull out of Iraq, and are reasonably tolerant of illegal immigrants. Can you say that a majority of Americans oppose America? In a Democracy, that’s literally impossible.
Oh Pacifism does indeed work. It works against those that have a moral background and common sense. It worked in India with Ghandi, Civil rights in this country. Again, it takes somebody with a conscience in order to make it work.
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That MTV comic certainly understand that when she uses a pornographic reference to Jesus, she is really expecting that Christians will criticize her but not kill her. She was far too cowardly to use the same reference to Mohammad because she knows that she puts her life at risk. She is a bigot from the safe hatred clan.
Their wont to cheer “Screw them!” when Americans are slaughtered tends to lend a clue on that account, lgm.
That’s very desriptive (”safe hatred”), is it an original term?
“Safe Hatred” is a perfect way to describe what’s happening with those in this country who live in perpetual denial. The goals of Islam are to force their religious law on us and every other western democracy. They will not stop until their goal has been reached and I beleive that their persistance may very well win in the long run.
I will never submit but I fear that if we do not defeat these 7th century murderers now, my grandhildren will be forced to fight a much more powerful enemy. That fact both scares me and motivates me to win this battle now.
I do agree that most politicians are defining their positions not based on the good of our country, but what’s good for their political careers. I fail to understand why they insist on calling Islam a religion of peace. I would ask anyone to show me one country where Islam and democracy co-exist peacefully.
This really is a superior piece by Michelle.
But I do think, like that Circuit City fellow, we should exercise normal, sensible caution when being alert for attacks.
The reason I say that is you don’t want anyone – Muslim, Christian, Jew – in the cross hairs of the authorities unless they deserve it. Once the wheels start turning, we get people like Nifong and victims like the LaCross players. And clearing yourself can be an incredibly expensive proposition.
So yes be vigilant. But be sensible about it.
Great column Michelle.
I fail to understand how so many people on the left, so full of hate beyond reason, fail to understand that radical islam hates beyond reason in the same fashion. The similarities are real, both are dangerous.
MM asked “which are you?”
I would be classifed as a sheepdog, if you follow my drift:-)
I am a 9/10 person and do not accept the definition given.
It’s a straw man arguement. I believed then and still believe that the government should do their job. That as an individual it is my responsibility to report wrong doing.
I do not live in a world of make believe, my security is not trumped by sensitivity and I prefer to be correct than wrong. Having grown up in the South Bronx I am always alert. If you want to do something stupid I am not the person to do it in front of.
Yes, 9/11 was an extremely heinous event that impacted all of us. We’ve had our issues as our country evolved and we worked through them. Yet, my core beliefs and trust in the rule of law, the constitution, our great nation and it’s people remains unchanged and unbowed. I am hopeful, as I have always been, before and after 9/11, and my faith in our potential is the same.
All the ‘if only’s’ given are indeed 20/20 hindsight. The terrible thing is that many of those ‘if only’s’ are still not being properly addressed.
I am a 9/10 person and I am a 9/12 person despite the narrow definitions of each.
purplepeep~
“Safe hatred” must have shown up on another thread here at MM (I know I read that phrase somehow today…). Basically, it’s safe to show a hatred of Christians because you know nothing bad will happen to you as a result. Same as it’s safe to hate the current administration, or our military. However, it’s not safe to show hatred towards Islam. You’ll likely get death threats and/or a fatwa issued against you…
LGM…. “How can you be so sure you’re right that you think those who disagree with you oppose America?”
“Come to think of it, the majority of Americans (at this moment) oppose Bush, want to pull out of Iraq, and are reasonably tolerant of illegal immigrants.”
First I think there is a bit of self loathing among the fringe in this country. For whatever reason, be it power, fame or fortune the leaders of the fringe most decidedly “dislike” what America is, but though they are but a small number, like so many before them they have managed to seduce hosts of young people to their cause and thus control debate in this country.
I would also say that our (I assume yours and my) dislike for the President come from different perspectives entirely. Yours I will not assume (once is enough) mine from his lack of strength in the face of opposition. It is his lack of political prowess and force which has led us into this wilderness called the “War on Terror”
Any that doubt the abilities of the weapon that is the US military is a dolt and should be ignored or hospitalized. That said we could easily defeat and make mockery of those we chose not to fight. (Syria and Iran) Clean up Iraq of its weapons and animals and be done. Instead we count the days and the dead while suppositions and testamony is given by the finest kind of men and women to the worst kind we have to offer.
Which brings me to the next point as to why we should leave Iraq. It again is for a reason wholly unsupported by the left and its horde of do nothings and miscreants who daily spread the filth of their bile on Recruiters, Airmen, Naval personell and especially the wounded of our country. It is simply because the fringe controls the debate and we simply can not win under those circumstances. Or when we have to witness the disgrace that is Russ Feingold dishonor a man like General Petraeus you know the fat lady haas sung. So the comparisons to Vietnam have finally come to fruition for the criminal and the lying back stabber from Massachutsetts. We are in Vietnam again. A weak President, a traitorous decietful congress and a machine honed to the sharpest of steel, cutting the heart out of the comotose Americans.
So you see to lump at least me into your “America haters” category is either disingenious or stupid, whichever you choose. One more point…what is “somewhat tolerant” especially when speaking to the intolerant…….
Thank you, Ladybug. But I knew what it refered to – it’s just more on target and meaningful than the also correct, but overused, “hypocrite” tag. Goes into my dictionary!
I don’t believe you are a bad person, blady. Very mixed up much of the time, yes – but not necessarily bad. That’s just an observation and nothing personal; many people who are without evil intent fall into that category.
Yup, MM knocks ‘em outta the park on a regular basis.
Not sure, but I think we start to diverge somewhere in there, Rick. We were fortunate that those particular jihadis were so stupid as to pass around a video of their “war games’. We can’t depend on such carelessness on the part of all terrorists.
We diverge even more here, Rick. I think both citizens and the government should be keeping very close tabe on any group with a propensity to commit terrorism. Almost every terrorist plot has either originated or evolved in mosques or misc “Islamic Centers”. Federal and/or local law enforcement should have “plants” in such places.
And if Presbyterians or 7th Day Pentacostals were hatching terrorist plots on their digs, that would apply to them as well.
The players are availing themselves of legal remedy, as can anyone who is wrongly accused (and walk away with literally millions). Nifong has been disbarred, jailed and is without a job.
With that example I think you’ve only shown that the system works for everyone. As for “victims”, in the context of what we’re talking about here, I’m much more concerned about the thousands of victims who could end up in body bags.
All due respect here, Rick, but in practice that’s vague to the point of being meaningless. If one is to go by a maxim, my choice would be a golden oldie – “Better safe than sorry.”
Hi my name is John Doe and I won’t accept dhimitude….If they want to meet allah, pardon me if I help to arrange the meeting compliments of my Sig 9mm
(No caffiene, two tests today and a part one of my research project is due this afternoon
I think you are a moron peep…nothing personal.
Purplepeep.. I agree. Very well said.
As for d_blade.. The polls I saw showed that most Americans want us to finish the job before we leave Iraq. They know that to leave prematurely would give Iran and Al Qaeda an even bigger stronghold .
Stop looking backwards. Look forward and find an answer that will keep us safe. Unlike Vietnam, this time our enemies will follow us home and kill us here. The VC couldn’t do that.
As for most Americans are reasonably tolerant of illegal immigration, I doubt it. If they were, the Shamnesty bill would have passed. Quite the contrary, we emailed, called, wrote, and faxed our representatives and senators until they finally did what we asked. Hardly an endorsement of your position. No offense.
Excellent post Michelle! I can see the bumper stickers now “I’m a 9-12 person, MichelleMalkin.com” We all know what people and what Party are the 9-10 people, even though you didn’t name names or call them out.
I think it does us all a disservice to hear so many Libs try to call what we are now as “Fearful” and “Fear Mongering” and other catchphrases that work on the simple-minded.
They make the mistake of confusing preparedness, caution, and doing all within our power to present/stop these things or worse from happening ever again with fear.
And they will be the ones crying, whining and complaining the loudest should it or worse ever happen again.
They are the ones compaining about the inconveniences at the airport they must now go through that had they been in effect that day would not have allowed these 19 men to board aircraft with knives. They complain about not being able to take fluids on board even after the men responsible for the precaution have been tried and convicted of plotting to destroy aircraft in flight with liquid explosives. they complain no matter what, but not I. I refuse to be intimidated by them, their whining, or their name calling.
It is a bit of a shame that people cannot see certain information of the activities and attempts our enemies and those of “The Religion of Peace” are planning or have actually tried.
Then again, I really doubt it would have any effect on the willfully stupid and ignorant.