Hillary was warned about Hsu; Update: Clinton campaign wants to re-purpose the dirty money
Update: Un-freaking-believable…
The campaign is refunding $850,000 to [Hsu’s bundled] donors, viewing the money as tainted. Yet the campaign is also risking another public relations mess by saying that it would take back the money if it clearly came from the donor’s bank account, not from Mr. Hsu or another source. The risk is that Mrs. Clinton will appear to want more cash no matter whether it was once colored by a disgraced donor.
The campaign will try to get most of the donors to give the money back right after the refunds, said a senior Democratic strategist who advises Mrs. Clinton’s campaign. “That’s the plan,” the strategist said.
See-Dubya follows the tainted rinse-and-spin cycle:
If the worry is that Hsu was using at least some of these people as fronts so that he could exceed the federal limits on how much he could donate to Hillary, then how will the money be any less tainted if they re-gift it to her? I.e., if Hsu cuts John Doe a check for $100,000 and asks him to spread it around among Democrats A-Z, then giving that money back to John so that he can give it right back to you doesn’t “cleanse” it. It’s Hsu’s money; John never should have had it in the first place. If you donate the money to charity and then hit John up for a donation from his own bank account, that’s fine. But that ain’t what she’s planning to do. Exit question: Why not at least wait until the DOJ investigation of Hsu’s bundled donations is over so you know which donors are clean and which aren’t?
Answer: Because they don’t care.
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No plausible deniability.
I got an e-mail from a law enforcement source this week wondering how Hillary Clinton could possibly have been ignorant of Norman Hsu’s shenanigans given that both she and her husband are protected by Secret Service:
Hsu as a key Dem fundraiser had access to VIP among the Dem party like the Clintons. Both Mr. and Mrs. Clinton are protected by the Secret Service. SOP for law enforcement protection details is to check the criminal background of those who might come in contact with the protectees.
As you probably are already aware, it is well known that usually the Secret Service asks for, at a minimum, full legal name, DOB and SSN of those who get anywhere near/attend events with, SS protectees, so they can run a record check. (FYI the Secret Service record check is, ‘unofficially’, considered one of the most extensive that can be done by US law enforcement.)
So if the Secret Service knew for years that Hsu was a wanted FUGITIVE why did they:
1. Not do anything?
2. Allow him anywhere near any important (high value) targets like either of the Clintons?
Alternatively, if the SS did not do its basic ‘due diligence’ check then the questions are even more pointed:
1. Why not? Who ordered them not to do it, and why? (What did the Clinton’s know and when did they know it?)
2. Was the Clinton (and by extension the Democrat fundraising machine) so focused on money that they would violate basic security protacal… letting a wanted, fugitive, felon (of questionable background — from part of the world where their are many hostile to US governmental interests) get into the “inner circle” simply because of the cash?
My source’s suspicions are on target. And a new story out today by the NYDailyNews underscores them:
Hillary Clinton’s campaign couldn’t explain yesterday why it blew off warnings about felon-turned-fund-raiser Norman Hsu - and the Daily News learned FBI agents are collecting e-mail evidence in the widening scandal.
Clinton was forced Monday to give back a whopping $850,000 raised by convicted scam artist Hsu after learning his investment ventures were being probed by the FBI as a potential Ponzi scheme.
She earlier gave to charity $23,000 Hsu donated himself after reports revealed he fled sentencing for a $1 million scam in California in 1992.
Yesterday, the campaign insisted it did all it should to vet Hsu after California businessman Jack Cassidy warned in June that Hsu’s investment operation was fishy. Cassidy e-mailed his tips to the California Democratic Party, which forwarded them to the Clinton campaign.
Cassidy did not want to talk about the case, saying he doesn’t want to jeopardize the FBI’s efforts. But he wants Hsu prosecuted. He told The News that Hsu was a reverse Robin Hood - “a hood robbin’ the poor to give to the rich.”
His warning “prompted a search of publicly available information, which did not reveal Mr. Hsu’s decade-plus-old warrant,” said Clinton adviser Howard Wolfson. He would not say why the campaign didn’t follow up on specifics Cassidy included to explain his suspicions.
“They knew [about Hsu], and they knew back in June,” a source told The News.
The WSJ has followed the money trail…to a financier of the Woodstock festival.
See-Dubya digs deeper. And Judicial Watch is now on the case:
Longtime Clinton foe Judicial Watch signaled it will join G-men and journalists on Hsu’s trail and try to pressure the Justice Department and Senate Ethics Committee to take action.
“Were they knowingly benefiting from illegal straw donor contributions? Were they put on notice?” asked Tom Fitton, president of the conservative watchdog group.
Hill’s people play CYA in this WaPo piece.
Meantime, Hillary says she’s returning $850,000. Don’t trust. Verify.
Investigative blogger Flip Pidot runs the numbers again and lays out the next step:
The next best step toward cleaning up this mess would be for the campaign to release the list of all 260 Hsu-associated contributors so we can help Senator Clinton’s less forthcoming colleagues tabulate their own refunds owed.
Let’s cough it up, Hill, shall we?
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Is Hsu still in the Hospital?
Seem’s odd Sen. Clinton raised 50 something million, why she needed his cash is strange considering the consequences. Can anyone else hear the paper shredder running? I think we know about 15% of this story and will learn much much more in the coming weeks.
is anyone besides me not surprised that these clinton-related scandals are cropping up? if the secret service’s background checks are so thorough, then there’s the possibility hildabeast ordered them not to do anything to hsu that she just wanted the $850,000. she knew the guy was dirty. she had to.
well, we can hope that these types of things keep cropping up and hope it’ll be enough to force her out, otherwise i’m afraid if she’s elected, well be in for more of the same like we dealt with back in the nineties when slick willy was president.
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If Obama doesn’t jump all over this, he either is guilty of same, or has only had his eyes on VP.
As for the Silky Pony, since we have not heard from Liz yet, he has dirty money in his coffers as well.
If the criticism keeps up, Hillary will be looking to Hsu somebody.
Surely no one is surprised by this. The Clinton administration gave a full preview of their unsavory means to the various ends they pursue during the 90s.
What I’m always amazed at is how they always get off with no repercussions - either legal or unfavorable public opinion. You can truly put Bill and Hillary’s picture next to the definition of Teflon.
No doubt about it folks … the Secret Service had to know and have revealed the truth about Hsu … Bill and Hill had to tell them it was ok anyway …
if it looks like another Clinton scandal/coverup and it smells like another Clinton scandal/coverup it is another Clinton scandal/coverup …
I am still wondering just how Hsu got out of town and then got sick … at first glance it sure smells of someone trying to ensure his silence …
The Clintons have to be considered the Democratic version of Al Capone … they are so crooked … hmmm … maybe the reason Al’s vault was empty for GR was that the Clinton’s had already emptied it out before he got there …
I’d expect nothing less from the Clinton machine but I want to know WHO in the Secret Service allowed this to happen??????????
Somebody keep an eye on Fort Marcy Park.
She broke the law, right?
Why isn’t she in handcuffs doing the perp walk. You know, like Martha Stuart.
Like, if you rob a bank and then give the money back do you still get to run for office?
Only if you’re a leftocrat I guess..,
Does this mean she could end up prosecuted? Some sort of aiding and abedding a fugitive?
I would laugh till the pee comes if she gets indicted.
What is Hsu’s current status? does anyone know?
Having worked “with” the SS on many occassions, I can assure you that once the protectee was made aware of the background report and chose to allow contact with the individual, no SS agent will try to overrule that decision unless there is specific threat information.
They’re back!!!!! God help us.
I’d imagine that the candidates on both sides of the aisle are making sure that all of their money is clean before going on the offensive.
Of course, having unsavory characters associated with a campaign is nothing new. The Bob Allen and Thomas Ravenel situations show that Republicans surround themselves with shady characters as well as the Clintons.
Which is not to excuse Sen. Clinton. If she knew about Hsu’s past and didn’t care, that would be wildly unacceptable.
We need to ask “To whom and where is all this money that is being returned going?”
And the money being given to charities, which charities? Who gets the tax benefits?
I have read for years that the Clintons treat the S.S. like their own personal servants to do their bidding instead of law enforcement officers sworn “serve and protect”.
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That is what is being rumored more and more, that Obama is a straw man. This is politics in America? Why is Oprah Winfrey out front in all this a talk show host? This is the Gold Standard in America. Oprah started out doing the same kind of programing-format as Geraldo and Jerry Springer.
Is anyone honestly surprised? Further, will anyone be surprised when the MSM ignores important developments and Glacier goes onward and upward?
I think the Rose Law Firm shredder should resign from the Senate and withdrawal from the democrapic presidential nomination race immediately, if not sooner.
Did I miss something? What is Hsu immigration status. If he is a legal alien with a green card, how did he manage to keep the card active while he was a wanted felon? If he wasn’t legal and didn’t have a green card isn’t it illegal for a foriegn national to make political donations?
This is exactly what the Slick Willy administration did about Bin Laden and terrorist threats during his terms. Nothing. I see a pattern here.
The Clintons are back and it’s business as usual. However, I still see Hillary getting the nomination for the Democrats. Dems just don’t seem to care about the seedy side of the Clintons. The defense will start today. Can hardly wait for Kirsten Powers’ explanation and defense of this fiasco and to watch for Michelle nail her good.
Does this mean her returning the $850k will empower the Paw family of their $244,000 donations. Where will the money really go? Where did the money really come from? Who will reap benefit in the end?
This is insane. I really can’t wrap my tiny little brain around the fact that Hillary is getting away with this. Had she been a Republican, her presidential campaign would already be derailed and there would be an ethics committee trying to run her out of office.
Can someone please tell me how she is getting away with this??? Giving 20 something thousand dollars to charity and claiming ignorance is not an adequate defense here. She is getting a free pass from her fellow Dems, not to mention the fact that the mainstream press has buried this story and made it a non-issue. This is something that should end a politicians career, yet old Hillary is getting away with not even having a slap on the wrist. INSANE!
The Dems won’t “Defend” they’ll “Deflect”. Talking points will be bsed on Redpublican ills. Point the finger elsewhere.
Probably MoveOn.org (It is technically a charity)
Ahhh…the squeaky-clean 2006 elected Democrats ‘cleaning-up’ Washington’s culture of corruption….
They’re cleaning up alright…. to the tune of millions of dollars in their pockets. From military contracts to illegal donations.
Where the hell is the outrage ( not just mild-mannered reporting ) from the MSM?
I still see them hanging on to Craig and barely touching this story.
Man, what I could do in Haiti with that kind of money.
They are pounding this Craig thing so they can ignore this issue with Hillary.
Full disclosure: Craig should resign. It is behavior unbecoming of a Senator.
Sex scandals sell more papers than money scandals. Sex scandals sell more than reports from Iraq. Sex scandals are the biggest draw out there. It’s just been bad luck that the last few (Vitter, Craig, Bob Allen) have involved Republicans.
If Sen. Clinton is caught having an affair, the media would explode with ecstacy. They, along with what I’m guessing is a huge majority of Americans, could care less about Hsu.
Are these straegists on some type of mind altering drug or what!??
cor: strategist’s
Just use the cash to pay down the National debt.
Maybe the best thing to do with the money is to put it into an escrow account. Then when everyone figures out exactly who Hsu (who Hsu? heh) defrauded, the money gets returned to the people from whom it was stolen. Of course, Shrillary won’t go for that, because she wouldn’t get it passed back under the table in her direction…
I think the most disturbing part of this story is not the money trail, but the part where the Secret Service ignores the criminal history of a wanted felon. The secret service should have arrested Hsu immediately. Why didn’t they? Where they taking tips on investigations from the U.S. Parks Police? We all remember how stellar their investigations are handled.
This puts a new twist on “It’s for the children…”
Did Hsu “get into the “inner cicle”simply because of the cash?”Um….Yeah.
It wouldn’t make a dent. This brings me to:
Where else in the world would someone spend $100,000,000 to get elected to a job that pays $275,000?
Politician’s can spend a lot of money when it is not theirs. Now, imagine all of the money being spent on just the election for the POTUS going into health care or, heaven forbid, education. Boggles the mind!
Great job Michelle. You’re the best.
From the moment the Clintons stepped into the White House in 1993 they started avoiding the FBI and CIA. (”Unlimited Access: An FBI Agent Inside the Clinton White House” by FBI agent Gary Aldrich)
Probably learned behavior from vast criminal experience in Arkansas. Much of their efforts went towards deception and CYA schemes that are still SOP for them today. The Clintons flatly believe, to their hardened cores, that they are above the law… any and all laws, and they keep getting away with it.
The MSM hasn’t protected any family so much since the Kennedy’s of the early 60’s.
If you compared what bill and shill have done to what Nixon did, they would make Nixon look like a preschooler playing schoolyard pranks.
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This duo must be stopped. Exposed and stopped.
Let’s say that Hillary returns the $850,000. The next question is who are these people and what kind of a network is involved. Also, what are the specific links to China, not just to Chinese people. Hsu cannot be viewed independent of his actions.
If Bill or Hillary ever write their co-biography - instead of the ghost-written versions already in existence - then I suggest the title be:
“Because I could.”
The Clintons have become so used to “coming out of the water dry” when it comes to dirty foreign money shenanigans that they’ve become careless. They arrogantly presume that no one will catch them, or care if they see; and when it comes to their supporters in the media and the Democrat party, they’re probably right.
Check of proof: see Rusty’s comment #29.
The question becomes whether the “follow the money” investigation generates enough momentum that it will finally punch through the “Wall of Silence” erectred by the donkey-friendly media and their “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy when it comes to any information that would put the Clintons in a bad light.
You’re doin’ great with this coverage, Michelle. Keep shining a light on the cockroaches; if we can’t make ‘em go away, at least we can make life uncomfortable for them.
The $23,000 she says she gave to charity must be proved. Everyone must remember Hill and Bill have their own charity: The Hill and Bill Foundation. It’s that tax shelter they put together to fake the appearance of empathy and charity.
The Secret Service is in the Treasury Department. Why can’t the Secretary of the Treasury look into anything? Isn’t there an IG in Treasury? Can’t they check to see if background checks were done on Hsu? The SS Agents aren’t the Clinton’s personal lackeys, unless the SS has gone the way of the CIA and the State Department. If they have they are now just a bunch of government employees in the worst sense of the term.
MSM are enablers and doing all they can to help Hillary get in the White House. Ethics be damned. They will all be voting for her. Thus is the extent of their hate of Bush at the expense of honor and our country.
All the more reason why Bush needs to get tough and appoint a strong AG to succeed Gonzales. Clinton and her cronies may not be willing to fess up, but the Secret Service should be another matter… assuming, of course, that venerable institution hasn’t also been cronyized by the Hill-Billies.
Convene a grand jury investigation and put the heads of the Secret Service on the witness stand. If the Secret Service violated safety protocols, that would be a bigger scandal than the Hsu scandal itself.
And the left wing media marches on playing the song of silence.
This is so freakin sad.
Let’s see, where’s Bill Clinton?
http://www.sj-r.com/News/stories/16061.asp
Can somebody tell me where Hsu was heading when he was on his second escape? Any connection?
I strongly suggest that each and every poster order or get the book at your local library -
”Unlimited Access: An FBI Agent Inside the Clinton White House” by FBI agent Gary Aldrich
This IS a must read and after you wade through the clinton years, you will know more than you EVER wanted to.
This should be a must read in every highschool in the USA.
It will make you SICK, just like the true character of the clintons, particulary Billary.
The name of the recipient and the amount of every returned contribution should be made known. Hillary’s managers staement that the money could be re-contributed is most curious. That is money laundering and is illegal as well.
Wait, I predict there will be more. Unlike campaign contributions, donations to presidential libraries are completely unregulated as to both amounts and sources. And since money is fungible, who knows what might get diverted from the Clinton Library into Hillary’s campaign? For a number of years, Bill has been making frequent visits to Dubai without anyone asking about the nature of his business there. Hmmm.
To all who think Clinton is “getting away” with this:
We are in the early stages of the investigation. The press is doing a fair job (not good, not awful) of covering it so far.
As for ethics investigations, right now Clinton is insulated by staff. It would be impossible to prove that she personally gave the order to override objections and take the dirty money.
And don’t underestimate the damage done already to her campaign. Remember that for competition she has empty suit Obama and fruitcake Edwards. Plus, the fact that she is going to ask the donors to write a check right back to her is an insane move, almost sure to backfire.
In short, patience my friends. By Halloween, Hillary may be in deep trouble - not so much with Democrats but her negatives which are already high will get higher and higher making her virtually unelectable.
Rick, we pray you are correct with your analysis.
When Clinton gives back the money to the straw donors, since it is legally theirs, does that mean they can keep it? Wow - Christmas in September for the straw donors!
Remember the Paw family in Daly City - they make $49K per year and donated $50K? They’d probably love to keep it if they thought they could get away with it….
It’s not that the Clinton’s get away with it per se, it’s that the public and MSM prefers to turn a blind eye to the Clinton’s indiscretions.
Nothing will come of this episode. Now if it were Fred Thompson or Rudy Giuliani, they would have to drop out of the race in disgrace!
The original Hot Air post on this was mine, but the top update about the rinse-and-spin cycle is Allah’s. Not that I mind being mistaken for him now and then!
Keep all of this in mind when you vote for President in Nov.’08.
This appears to be the biggest case of campaign finance fraud in modern history and should be playing 24/7 by the MSM. O’ wait I forgot this is a Democrat scandal not a Republican scandal nothing to see here move along. My only hope is someone in the DOJ has the gumballs to follow through with this investigation resulting in some subpoenas to include charges of RICO act violations. Realize I am delusional, but where there is life there is hope! I would love nothing more than to see “she-who-must-not-be-named” and her serial rapist husband finally get their just desserts.
I’ve edited some of that out, but it’s from the U.S. Secret Service web site.
And they also say the Patriot Act “…allowed enforcement action to be taken to protect our financial payment systems while combating transnational financial crimes directed by terrorists or other criminals.”
They must have known about Hsu. (Oh, and they are now part of Homeland Security, not U.S. Treasury.) Fortunately, Homeland Security has confirmed he is NOT letting lettuce rot in the fields…
The Clintons were careful, they made sure the FBI didn’t talk to the Secret Service, who didn’t talk to the CIA, who didn’t talk to the NSA…
Sadly, since the Kennedys, right through the Clintons, the Secret Service have been Peccadillo Enablers.
If I suddenly disappear, please search Ft. Marcy Park, and no, I didn’t commit suicide.
Whenever I see such distasteful campaign finance scandals my natural reaction is to want to see the corruption weeded out. My knee jerk response is to want stiff limits on who and how much can be donated.
During this election we will see over half a billion dollars spent by all candidates to elect a president. That just seems way over the top. To have to raise that much just opens the door to corruption.
But then I remember the arguments that have been legally upheld which say if you limit donations or spending you are impinging our basic constitutional rights. I certainly don’t want anyone impinging my abillity to speak by accesing the media marketplace so I can hopefully back the next Reagan to save our country from the dire damage the left would do.
But what to do? As See-Dubya notes:
Within the bundled donations, there are surely many that were not Hue’s money. They can rightfully be redonated. They should not be given to charity. What could be done is to empower the DOJ with permenent independent investigators and a mandate to go after election finance fraud.
Within the current law, with a little tweaking to apply to campaign donations, you could go after such tainted funds by applying forfeiture law. The money given back could then be seized under a civil rather than a criminal procedure. Just like how we seize money in drug cases.
The benefit here is that as a civil forfeiture procedure the legal standards are different. The suit is brought aginst the money rather than a person. The burden of proof is very different. There is no presumption of innocence. So the money’s owner rather than the Feds must prove that it is untainted. The standard is not “beyond a reasonable doubt” but more a preponderence of evidence.
In forfeture there does not even have to be a criminal charge or a guilty verdict to seize the assets. And if the money is given back, but not found later, any other property can be seized to pay the judgement.
Strict enforcement of forfeture law would allow any donations that smell the slightest bit bad to be seized pending a donor’s proving via financial documentation that it is legit. All of the Hsu $850k could be seized until the bundled donors provide records of how it was obtained.
That would be a serious deterrent to this type of fraud.
I’m with Rick on this. To put it bluntly “she in deep poop” the info yet to come is going to be outa sight!
The most discouraging thing about this is that ultimately it won’t matter.
I don’t think anyone in the country is undecided as to the Clintons’ criminality. When it comes to Hillary her opponents know what she is, that’s why we’re her opponents. Her supporters know what she is, they just don’t care. And the 15 or 20 people in the country who don’t know what she is probably don’t vote anyway.
I don’t see a single vote being swayed by this one way or the other.
let’s see if there is a criminal investigation by DOJ. The MSM is irrelevant. If she is under investigation while running for POTUS, that is a real stretch to think she can evade this no matter how much the MSM wants her to be President- it might even lead to a cleaner campaign if she has to keep her yap shut about “cleaning up Washington”.
Hillary is through. Greedy little snot.
This woman has more Hsu than Imelda Marcos.
I just read Rick’s post. Spot on. We may not get all we want out of this, like a silver bullet or a stake through the heart.
BUT! All it takes is for her to start leaking oil a little bit before other investigations might be opened on *her*- she is a sitting US Senator. What could the Repubs launch against her?
Get a ticket and take your seat- hubris is a beeeeotchhhhh.
Bear, I’m afariad she and the MSM will start screaming about a “politically motivated” investigation, the usual bs. But as another poster said, her supporters don’t care. It’s the Dems who haven’t decided who may be swayed.
Of course that’s afraid, but just typing it made my hands tremble!
“Be afariad, be very afariad…”
All this talk about the Secret Service puzzles me. Some seem to be applying to them the same standard as the police or FBI.
But isn’t the SS’s function something completely different?
They may well have known of Hsu criminal case he skipped out on before sentencing. But given that they provide threat protection, they might very well care less about a nonviolent white collar crime. Do they even routinly share their background investigations with Senators?
I don’t know, do they have a policy of turning over to various state courts every warrant that pops up? And if so, what triggers such a notification? Which felonies? Unpaid traffic tickets? Tax evasion? Here in CA they do not pursue most outstanding warrants for a nonviolent crime. They wait till the person gets caught for something else and is in the system again.
The disgusting peccadillos of the Clintons aside, has it ever been the SS’s provence to snitch on their charges?
As President Bush has pointed out, we don’t really want anything that a decent president does in carrying out his office with the candid advice from his staff to be subject to compelled exposure. Do you really what Pelosi and the Dem’s subpeoning Bush’s Secret Service detail to further their rabid pursuit of Bush Deraingment Syndrom?
This has the smell of “inconsequential” to it because it is rather mundane, unsexy issue- campaign finance.
But there is a “Columbo” type quality to it. Hillary *thinks* she is above it all.
Really?
Let’s see. Like I said before “Hubris is a beeeeotchhhh.”
What the public “thinks”, what the MSM “thinks”, what Dhimmicrat insiders “think” is irrelevant if an investigation should grow some legs.
If there is just a touch of blood in the water, then all the Clinton dirty tricks in the world won’t save Hillary.
Remember- Bubba got impeached; they aren’t completely teflon coated.
All I am saying is stay tuned. If the teflon theory sticks, then I’ll be the first to bemoan what might lay ahead if she is elected POTUS.
Until the story goes away, I think we might have a bona fide pecadillo that’s been juicing.
Have a great day everybody!
Rick,as much as I respect your intelligence and knowledge–I’ll believe TheShill is in real trouble when I see it.Hope you are right though.
Oh, really? It hasn’t been that long since Whitewater. Anyone following that fiasco should know that either the Clinton’s are the dumbest SOBs on the planet or the slickest.
What should follow if the Clinton’s follow their past MOs is that dead people should begin showing up in various and a sundry places.
Clintons still control the FBI and most of the Justice Dep’t.
Let’s see if the story goes away.
Smells like rotten Hsu-shi to me.
Why aren’t we having Senate hearings on this fiasco? Oh yeah, it’s the people in charge that are making the decisions.
So if she gives $200,000 back to that family of janitors or whatever they were, does she realy expect them to give it back?
I hope my name’s on that list (although I doubt my name is on many Demoncrat donator lists), I could use the money.
MSM quoting Hillary;
” This is all being miscontrued by the right wing conspiracy!”
I forgot to add…..in the very near future…….haven’t we heard this crap before?
Ummm, “just one more thing”….
This should do it for her,,,,Right?
Ah well now let’s see….. Hillary is a member of “the most ethical congress ever” brought to us by the democrats……
but then that all depends on what the meaning of the word “is” is….
so, all you gotta do is define “ethical” to mean “completely-amoral-power-hungry-money-gubbing-scum” and then everything she does is magically made clean and pure!! Ah the power of words!