For example, the best car speaker system for a young person listening to a lot of rock ‘n roll or rap music might be different than the ones that an older person prefers to use when listening to classical music….

Your spin is almost as good as the fringe leftists Bill O has on. Can you not answer a simple question? I will pose it again….

it is your opinion that five years of Kerry, Kennedy, Gore, Durbin, Reid and Feingold, and five years of the Times and their 70+ Abu Gharab stories, and torture rhetoric, added to five years of European weenies, UN idiots, and Hollyweird blowhards and combined with the five years of inquiries, suppositions, testamonies, and investigations into the Bush administration played little to no role in the recruitment of steady supply jihadists to kill in Iraq?

A simple …YES or NO will suffice.
You can’t answer can you?

Bear…..
What do you have at stake here? Just so we all know where you are coming from

Where? At stake where? You make no sense. You pose questions that I am to assume mean something? Who is the we? Do you actually believe that people here who read you are somehow in synch with the mish mash you write? Mocking you is a foregone conclusion- you mock yourself with this type of drivel.

Now …it is your opinion that five years of Kerry, Kennedy, Gore, Durbin, Reid and Feingold, and five years of the Times and their 70+ Abu Gharab stories, and torture rhetoric, added to five years of European weenies, UN idiots, and Hollyweird blowhards and combined with the five years of inquiries, suppositions, testamonies, and investigations into the Bush administration played little to no role in the recruitment of steady supply jihadists to kill in Iraq?

When? Now? What in creation are you talking about? Is this your small way of putting me in your rhetorical cross hairs?

While you are busy stuffing C4 into your orificies with your inane and *meaningless* question, let me provide some ignition.

First: Even the question you framed shows you have little to zero understanding of the enemy or the tactic of taking the fight to the enemy.

Second: Do you actually think that all of that propaganda emboldens an enemy to wage jihad?

Compared to what a Nasrallah or a Khameini or an al-Sadr or the many imams in hundreds of Muslim communities across the Middle East have taught and conditioned young boys-to-men to do in the name of Islam- all of that crap you cite above is nil by comparison.

The American military is still in Iraq, Afghanistan and is there supported by an unprecedented military infrastructure on the Asian continent.

What bearing has all the distracting nonsense you believe is helping to “recruit” jihadis on that simple fact?

Nothing.

It is a fact that is empowering our military to kill tens of thousands of those turds- and their leadership. Our very presence in the region has pressurized the jihadists to fight *on our terms* on ground of our choosing.

The crap you are talking about continues unabated. And so does the killing of the enemy, and the increasing pressure on Syria and Iran to put up or shut up.

The situation in Iraq today is far different and far better in our favor than when we started- and all of what you believe is so important has happened in between.

That is your argument right? Is that what I read? We are winning the debate and have been for the past five years?

Wrong. That is not my argument. That is your way of setting up a straw man to run your drivel.

You’ve got it wrong.

I did not say we are winning the debate. You cannot quote anything that would support that assertion.

What I said was the debate is irrelevant. If anything, I am saying we have conceded the debate but have pursued the goal of accomplishing the military/political objectives in Iraq.

They have not been emboldened by the left….right?

I am saying the substance of the enemy’s will to fight comes from their belief in Islam.

And when they take up arms each day to fight, do you really think that the hell they are catching from American fighting units is assuaged at all by the thought of Cindy Sheehan or George Soros being on their side?

You are a joke.

The mindset of a radical jihadist is based on a deep sense of inferiority- and that is what their leaders and teachers prey upon to keep them under arms in service to Islam.

Anything you’ve cited is a result of psy-ops perpetrated not for the sake of keeping jihadis fighting as much as it is set up to break the will of Americans.

Until that promise is fulfilled, jihadis continue to die- for Islam, not because they have been emboldened by Sean Penn’s views on the war.

It’s a little hard to swallow that somebody will die for that while they have a bazooka shoved up the same place where your own skull seems to reside.

Just as Jane, John and their ilk played no role in Nam?

Read what I wrote.

What North Viet Nam capitalized on was that there was a broad based movement in the US to stop the war due to the draft.

There is no such movement now. This war is not touching MILLIONS of lives of Americans the way the Viet Nam war was.

Jane and John had an impact because there was a movement supporting them *in the streets*.

The media? Doesn’t seem to be putting people in the streets to any effect. Cindy Sheehan has been their big thrust- and she has come off like the ass she is.

You are an ass

That ranks me at least twelve levels above you, Beastie.

and to respond as you desire…There is no question but that the far left has not only emboldened the enemy but their selfish, irresponsible rhetoric has cost the lives of thousands of Iraqis and soldiers….Without a shred of doubt in my mind.

The driving force behind the enemy is 99.9% Islamic fascist suicidal ideology and .1 per cent Sean Penn.

Part of that 99.9% is a micro-strategy to conduct psy-ops against the Iraqis and Americans alike: murder everybody, as much as they can, everyday.

That emboldens the enemy- murder and bloodlust in the name of Allah, or die trying.

Not Susan Sarandon.

“To respond as you desire?” you make no sense, Boy.

PS….A Bear in SF…ALlllllRIGHTY THEN….lol

And this is supposed to mean what? Is this a provocation? Is this an ad hominem attack?

Didn’t we just have a big discussion about the rights of a certain protected group last week, one in which you presented yourself as such an advocate on their behalf?

Oh, but it isn’t what you meant right? You just worded it so you can say it meant something else.

Nice try. You’ve lowered yourself another nine levels.

How is that working for you?

Anyways, I live somewhere else. Try to keep up.

The bottom line is: the big threat of the Congressional surrender monkeys and their Lefty associates is that the US military is going to be defunded and the war brought to a halt.

It hasn’t worked yet. And it is causing some of them to re-think their positions because it might cause them to fail to win the White House. They are ineffectual and in disarray.

They are in conflict with a President whom they believe is stupid- but they can’t seem to be right about anything concerning the issues over which they are in conflict.

So their threats are hollow- because they love their own power too much to risk losing it, which they will most certainly do if they continue to work at cross purposes against the President and the American people.

Dr. Jack Wheeler, the engineer of the Reagan Revolution said recently:

“Take this just-released UPI-Zogby poll revealing that Americans believe the US is safer from terrorism now than before 9/11. What’s worse for the Dems is the poll found that 60% of Americans feel that why the US hasn’t been attacked since 2001 “is a direct result of US government actions” – i.e., the actions of President George Bush.”

So, DartBag, what exactly is the value and relevance of your “emboldening the enemy” argument?

Now …it is your opinion that five years of Kerry, Kennedy, Gore, Durbin, Reid and Feingold, and five years of the Times and their 70+ Abu Gharab stories, and torture rhetoric, added to five years of European weenies, UN idiots, and Hollyweird blowhards and combined with the five years of inquiries, suppositions, testamonies, and investigations into the Bush administration played little to no role in the recruitment of steady supply jihadists to kill in Iraq?

That is your argument right? Is that what I read? We are winning the debate and have been for the past five years?
They have not been emboldened by the left….right?

Just as Jane, John and their ilk played no role in Nam?

You are an ass….and to respond as you desire…There is no question but that the far left has not only emboldened the enemy but their selfish, irresponsible rhetoric has cost the lives of thousands of Iraqis and soldiers….Without a shred of doubt in my mind.

PS….A Bear in SF…ALlllllRIGHTY THEN….lol

Just for the record, I think a lot of thought went into your tomatoe post. I was telling the trolls to be as creative as you (which should earn me a tomatoe up side my head for thinkig a troll can do much else beside attack our host or say anything that is not stoopid).

Luv ya bear!

And Bear….bla,bla,bla ….put up or shut up already. If you don’t think this group of losers has sway in Iraq and the world think again.

A troll is a troll is a troll is a troll- no matter what self-appointed role you say that you are playing here.

You ain’t no Dennis Miller; that’s for sure.

The burden of proof is on you about the debate being controlled by the Left.

How does one control a debate by taking an untenable position?

The Left acts much like you do here in this forum- they say stupid crap, call people names, and then plug their ears when anybody attempts to respond.

Does your mom know you have internet access and are lying about your age?

Your amateurish attempts at political dialogue fall short of convincing anybody that you know what you are talking about. But I digress.

The burden of proof, like I said, is on you.

So far, the anti-war lobby has failed to control the direction of the war.

What the Commander in Chief has deemed necessary he has been supported in receiving. And this will continue.

It stands to reason that the “debate” is irrelevant.

And even more irrelevant are the Left’s so-called “Direct action” protests.

If their goal is to embolden the enemy then let them be arrested for treason. I hardly think it is their goal.

Is their goal to bring the war to an end?

Perhaps- but they have failed so far.

So what are the grounds for saying the debate is under the Left’s control.

It would appear the US war effort is allowing the Left to rant and gesture all they want- and then do what needs doing.

Do anti-war actions “embolden” the enemy? Let’s take a closer look at it.

I don’t know if it emboldens Muqtada al-Sadr. He lost enough of his “troops” to throw in his head wrap.

Has it emboldened AQ in Iraq? They are being driven out of province after province by Iraqis.

Is it “emboldening” Iran?

I hardly think so. Iran is in a race against time. And Petraeus’ report was bad news for them. They have had their curtain pulled back- and US forces are going to go after them in earnest now.

Iran is desparate- not emboldened.

Do the Iraqis give a crap about the die-in going on in Washington? It doesn’t appear so. And the rhetoric about “getting the American troops out of Iraq” by Iraqis? Where has that gone?

Care to comment?

As for your Viet Nam parallel, there is something the Left had then that they don’t have now- a draft.

Consider putting a sock in it, Child.

Further, comments directed at me personally about putting up or shutting up:

you have no clue as to who I am or what I do and what I am prepared to do in the face of the very real threats we face here in the SFO Bay Area.

Now go back to your narcisstic demagoguery and try to keep feeding yourself if you can.

Your blah-blah makes me ha-ha.

On September 14th, 2007 at 2:27 pm, ajmontana said:
fox?
Am I missing something? Did I call you a Troll?

No, not you. I guess I misunderstood Soapbox. Sometimes my “humor” can be misunderstood, too. Plus I’m just really sensitive today. These stupid anti-war, anti-capitalism, anti-anything protesters have my knickers in a twist and I’m trying insert some humor about it, but frankly I hope the GOEs kick some serious butt.