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1. #101
   On September 21st, 2007 at 12:45 pm, taylork said:

   Seems like part of the problem here is that a number of people insist upon “freeing the Jena 6.” Maybe if the signs said “expel the Jena 3,” they’d have a better point.

2. #102
   On September 21st, 2007 at 12:47 pm, greenfairie said:

   I didn’t know what to think about this story since I had so little in the way of facts. I first read about it on a message board.

   A recent column by Dennis Prager on Townhall.com was about the reasons why people commit evil acts. One of them was victimhood. People who claim victimhood can feel justified to do bad things to others. Even though the charge of attempted murder was harsh–in juvy I see beatings all of the time and only a couple were so bad they merited that kind of charge–these kids were apparently not innocent either. Racism and unfairness does not make a white kid a justifiable target for some angry jocks.

3. #103
   On September 21st, 2007 at 1:00 pm, taylork said:

   It amazes me how the MSM is using this to “prove” that race relations are deteriorating.

   Fact of the matter is, they’d rather focus on that, then have to deal with the real racial problem, black on black crime. Check ou this photo I took it a couple weeks ago. Make sure you read the graffiti on the fence.

   The real issue that these people should be protesting is how their governments, who are mostly black, have totally let them down.

4. #104
   On September 21st, 2007 at 1:03 pm, 509th Bob said:

   My son nailed it last night when he said, “Since Sharpton and Jackson showed up, it pretty much means that the Jena 6 are guilty, right?”

5. #105
   On September 21st, 2007 at 1:11 pm, 29Victor said:

   The noose-hangers should have been expelled.

   The kid shouldn’t get attempted murder any more than the cops who beat up Rodney King should have been charged with attempted murder.

   Getting Sharpton & Jackson involved was unfortunate because they are well-known race-baters and their very presence in a situation has an extreemely negative effect on people (like me). But, if the family didn’t have the money to mount a proper defense of their child then maybe they thought this was their only option. What if your kid was facing 25 (or however many) years in prison?

   The dad is a jackass.

6. #106
   On September 21st, 2007 at 1:26 pm, DarkKnight said:

   On September 21st, 2007 at 12:10 pm, governmentdrone said:
   The problem is that by and large, white people in this country (the vast majority) got over the whole race thing a LONG time ago, while by and large, black people (I refuse to say “African American” unless you personally immigrated from Africa) in this country (the vast majority) REFUSE to get over the whole race thing.

   So there is no such thing as Irish-American, Greek-American, etc. unless they personally came from that country?

   They are all just white?

7. #107
   On September 21st, 2007 at 1:42 pm, sausage said:

   How funny. Every *white* American I have ever met goes on about how they are either from Irish, German or Italian stock…..

   You are not – you are just an AMERICAN! End of story. Be proud of it.

8. #108
   On September 21st, 2007 at 1:47 pm, bipartisancomplainer said:

   MM SAID: Finally, I’m not going to join the knee-jerk race-hustlers in celebrating the “civil right” to beat white people unconscious to rectify institutional racism.

   This is what is getting lost. I agree that that they shouldn’t be tried as an adult and what the white kids did was heinous. However, I don’t believe that this Jena 6 reacted in an appropriate blameless way and no one in these protests is stepping up to stress that. Violence against a non-violent act is always worse in my book, no matter who is doing it.

9. #109
   On September 21st, 2007 at 1:50 pm, bipartisancomplainer said:

   RUSTY SAID: If someone calls my roommate a “nigger,” I promise you I am punching them in the jaw.

   And I promise you, you would be prosecuted to the full extent of the law for the violence. And no groups would be coming to your aid saying, “Hey, it’s okay that you handled yourself so poorly in this situation.”

10. #110
    On September 21st, 2007 at 1:54 pm, Romeo13 said:

    On September 21st, 2007 at 1:26 pm, DarkKnight said:

    So there is no such thing as Irish-American, Greek-American, etc. unless they personally came from that country?

    They are all just white?

    Where is the Irish American Emancipation Council?

    Where is the Greek Liberation Society?

    When you have a Group, with lots of money and political clout based on RACE, and YOU build that group, then are you not setting YOURSELF apart?

    And technicly to be equivalent to African-American… it would have to be European American… cause we know we sure as heck won’t use WHITE.

11. #111
    On September 21st, 2007 at 1:59 pm, governmentdrone said:

    Rusty:

    I haven’t been discriminated against, huh? Is that why I was denied entrance to a college SOLELY BECAUSE OF THE COLOR OF MY SKIN? I didn’t get a slot that I had better grades for, had better qualifications for, simply because the college “needed someone black” to fill that slot. Is that why I lost a job SOLELY BECAUSE OF THE COLOR OF MY SKIN, simply because the company “needed somebody black” to fill that slot? Don’t you dare tell me I don’t know what that feels like. And don’t you dare tell me that wasn’t the reason it happened. I was TOLD it was the reason. And please don’t say “You should have sued”. Ever hear of Alan Baake? Talk about no justice.

    The difference is that I didn’t wallow in self-pity, or blame a system for discriminatory behavior. And that’s exactly what it was. No, I kept on trying and applying until I was admitted, and I did get a job.

    That’s the difference. I kept trying. I didn’t play a “victim” card.

    And if you decide that the race card should be played more often, then I would suggest that there’s an old adage that you would be well advised to heed: Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it.

    The time for playing race cards is over. It is only people like you who seek to extend the victim mentality who will profit from it – to the detriment of the rest of us. If I didn’t know better, I’d say you were either the Rev. Jackson or Al Sharpton writing under a pseudonym.

    Further discussion with you is pointless. You have proven without a doubt that you are just a big a race p!mp as Jesse or Al, so it is impossible to have a rational discussion with you.

    Dark Knight:

    Yes, that is exactly what I am saying. And until everybody that is a citizen of this country proudly stands up and says “I am an AMERICAN” (no qualifier) we will continue to have people who want to divide us along senseless lines.

    BTW, in reading your other posts, I would have to put you in the same category with Rusty – race p!mp. So unless you can bring something fresh to the discussion – something that isn’t just “poor me. my ancestors were slaves 200 years ago, and 50 years ago my grandfather had to use a separate bathroom so I must be a victim of whitey”, then further discussion with you is pointless also.

    Rusty and Dark Knight, I would ask you this question: How does it make you feel to wake up in the morning and know that by your own choice, YOUR OWN CHOICE, you are going to be a victim today? Wake up! Take charge of your own life and leave the past behind.

12. #112
    On September 21st, 2007 at 2:12 pm, governmentdrone said:

    One last thing for Rusty:

    Washington DC was established as the seat of government for the country. It was INTENTIONALLY set up as the “seat of government” and NOT A STATE. It was specifically set up to have NON-VOTING representation in the national government.

    If you don’t like it, DON’T LIVE THERE. That’s the beautiful thing about this country – you are free to live where you like. If you choose to live someplace where you don’t like the rules that were established for that place – you have no right to complain. You knew the rules up front. They have been in place for well over 200 years.

    But I guess that doesn’t matter to you does it?

    I ask again: Who are the real racists of the 21st Century?

13. #113
    On September 21st, 2007 at 2:12 pm, mojoe said:

    On September 21st, 2007 at 10:42 am, DarkKnight said:
    Interesting… no response to the story of how GOP leaders are ignoring the minority communities when they shouldn’t be.
    ***************************
    Because no matter what they do, it’s a lose-lose situation.
    Was it Coretta King’s funeral that turned into a roast of the Prez? A review of how all his policies have harmed blacks? A critique of the federal gov’s handling of Katrina? At a funeral! Hijacked by the same race-hustlers that are marching in Jena demanding “justice”. And the President had to sit there with a smile on his face because he was too classy to get up and storm out like I would have.

14. #114
    On September 21st, 2007 at 2:16 pm, purplepeep said:

    sausage said:
    How funny. Every *white* American I have ever met goes on about how they are either from Irish, German or Italian stock…..

    You are not – you are just an AMERICAN! End of story. Be proud of it.

    Sausage –
    I think it’s fine to celebrate and keep one’s ancestral heritage. Pass traditions down in the family, that sort of thing. I believe it only becomes a problem, as you’ve suggested, when it’s the primary way a person defines him/herself. Especially if they use it to become a hyphenated-American.

15. #115
    On September 21st, 2007 at 2:17 pm, mojoe said:

    On September 21st, 2007 at 1:54 pm, Romeo13 said:
    *****************************
    Or White Entertainment Television.
    Or The White Grammy Awards.
    Or The United Caucasian College Fund.

    And since I’m a Sicilian-American who do I sue for reperations for all the times Sicily was invaded and it’s inhabitants were enslaved?

16. #116
    On September 21st, 2007 at 2:22 pm, Rusty said:

    Ever hear of Alan Baake?

    Yeah. He won his case.

    Sorry, there is no chance you were denied entrance to a school because you are white and they had to fill a black slot. Unless you were applying to schools pre-1978. If that’s the case, my apologies.

    Quotas were ruled unconstitutional decades ago. If someone told you that you were denied admittance because of the color of your skin, they were either lying or misinformed. Or this was before UC Regents v. Bakke.

    If you don’t like it, DON’T LIVE THERE. That’s the beautiful thing about this country – you are free to live where you like. If you choose to live someplace where you don’t like the rules that were established for that place – you have no right to complain. You knew the rules up front. They have been in place for well over 200 years.

    But I guess that doesn’t matter to you does it?

    You’re right, it doesn’t matter. As long as 600,000 people, many of whom can’t move due to poverty, family ties, etc., don’t have a say in Congress while being forced to pay federal taxes and die in wars they had no say in, I will not let it go.

    And I assure you that if DC were 65% white instead of 65% black, we would have had our civil right to representation a long time ago.

    You talk about the rules being in place for 200 years. That doesn’t make it OK. Representation is a civil right. If it’s good enough for Iraq, surely it’s good enough for us? Or is the problem, and I truly believe this, that the Chocolate City is too dark for some people’s tastes?

17. #117
    On September 21st, 2007 at 2:25 pm, Rusty said:

    And, btw, I was psyched the DC voting legislation failed. It was unconsitutional. We need to amend the Constitution, pronto. Of course, last time we tried, only one Southern state ratified the amendment. I wonder why that was?

    /end threadjack

18. #118
    On September 21st, 2007 at 2:48 pm, iamsaved said:

    It’s easier for white people since they have never been discriminated against. They’ve never been disenfranchised based on the color of their skin

    Try being a white, male aged 20-50 and tell me there’s no discrimination based on race and for that matter gender. They will get the promotion or job only after all eligible blacks/females have been considered if any applied.

    Tell me who is the butt of all jokes and who is the one made to look foolish and inept in most of the advertising?

    Someone stated that race quotas were removed back in 1978. If so, why do we still have political and legal arguments about keeping affirmative action viable if it was done away with so long ago?

19. #119
    On September 21st, 2007 at 2:53 pm, governmentdrone said:

    Rusty:

    Alan Baake won. But only after taking it all the way to the Supreme Court. Personally, I couldn’t afford that, and just TRY getting the ACLU to help a white man out with that kind of lawsuit today.

    And watch who you are calling a liar. How can you tell how old I am through a blog posting? Pretty inflammatory rhetoric from you there.

    As for the DC business, yes representation in our federal government is a right granted in our constitution – to citizens of the states. DC is a whole different kettle of fish. Again, what’s stopping you from moving, other than your permanent victim mentality, which you have displayed here time after time?

    I agree that the constitution needs to be amended vis a vis voting rights. We need to insure that voter registration only be done in person at the offices of county clerks, and only after positive proof of identity is established. Then on voting day, we need to insure that only properly registered citizens – after positively proving their identity via a photo id – be allowed to vote. And then only within the legally established hours set for voting in that precinct.

    The shoddy system of “motor voter” registration, and other schemes devised by the Democrat party and groups like the NAACP and ACLU, along with letting people vote wherever they like, without establishing their identity must stop.

    And don’t come back with some screed about how that discriminates against minorities or the poor. States will issue a non-driver photo ID for little charge – or in some cases no charge if your income level is low enough.

    Again I ask: Who are the real racists of the 21st Century?

20. #120
    On September 21st, 2007 at 3:24 pm, Rusty said:

    Try being a white, male aged 20-50 and tell me there’s no discrimination based on race and for that matter gender

    I am a white 24 y/o male and there is no discrimination against white males.

    Someone stated that race quotas were removed back in 1978. If so, why do we still have political and legal arguments about keeping affirmative action viable if it was done away with so long ago?

    It gets tricky here. Contemporary affirmative action is the idea that being a minority is weighted when comparing them to other applicants. If you’re against affirmative action (I’m not a big fan myself), this is is probably just as unappealing.

    Affirmative action will always exist in some form or another colleges and universities. The goal is to foster the best learning environment and that can be best achieved with a diverse learning community. Admitting a minority student with slightly lower grades and test scores than his/her white counterpart is worth it to the school to maintain that diversity. And the entire student population benefits as a result.

    And governmentdrone, I’m not calling you a liar. I said whoever told you you were denied admittance to a school due to the color of your skin was lying or misinformed. And that was only if this happened pre-1978. Clearly your situation was pre-1978, and, honestly, that sucks you got railroaded. I’m sure it’s only small consolation that Alan Bakke prevented this from happening to others.

    But you’d really be against an amendment giving 600,000 Americans (who die in combat and pay federal taxes)the right to choose how their citizens die and how their money is spent? Surely you admit that race is an issue here?

    By the way, the only Southern state to ratify the previous DC voting rights amendment was….surprise! Louisiana!

21. #121
    On September 21st, 2007 at 3:24 pm, ackrite55 said:

    What’s with this white victimization complex?

22. #122
    On September 21st, 2007 at 3:31 pm, governmentdrone said:

    Rusty said:

    I am a white 24 y/o male and there is no discrimination against white males.

    ROFLMAO!!!

    If your claims to age and race are true, then I suggest that you get out of mommy and daddy’s basement and start living in the real world.

    That statement alone loses you any slight shred of credibility you may have had.

    Here’s an idea: Quit listening to liberal talk radio and the MSM. Do a little research of your own into facts. Don’t rely on DailyKos and Wikipedia as information sources. GET OUT INTO THE WORLD AND LIVE.

    Oh, and one other thing:

    Just because your liberal buddies think you should have white man’s guilt syndrome because of slavery – don’t buy into it.

    Thanks for playing junior. Now go away and let the adults talk.

23. #123
    On September 21st, 2007 at 3:46 pm, Rusty said:

    Any attack on my age is a good sign. If attacking my beliefs won’t work, attack my youth? At least I’m finally being discriminated against!

    I love the “MSM.” I also read Powerline and MM. I try to attack every subject from every point of view to figure out where I stand.

    And, I don’t listen to radio. I’m young so I have one those newfangled iPods.

    And I don’t live in my parents’ basement. The folks are about 500 miles away. I’m young, but, come on, I’m not that young.

    And I don’t have white man’s guilt over slavery. I have white man’s guilt over slavery, lynching, Jim Crow, and the seemingly infinite attempts by white people to deny minorities their rights. That fight continues in DC and Jena.

24. #124
    On September 21st, 2007 at 3:47 pm, iamsaved said:

    Rusty:

    You can sugar coat affirmative action any way you want. Put a purple ribbon on it too. It is still race based and a form of reverse discrimination.

    Maybe at the outset it was a handy tool. No more. All it serves is to “dumb” down the competitive process in hiring or selecting the best and the brightest for entry in to such venues as academia, regardless of race.

    If I were black and selected on that basis only, I think I’d be insulted. I’d want to be accepted because of my grades, test scores and abilities. And, I wouldn’t want the qualifications or standards lowered to admit me only because of my race. That, my friend, sends a bad message.

25. #125
    On September 21st, 2007 at 3:57 pm, Rusty said:

    To be honest, I don’t support affirmative action in the workplace. Not because of reverse discrimination. I just don’t think it works. I mean, 40 years is enough time and the racial economic gap is just as bad as ever.

    However, in schools, it will always exist. There is a compelling interest for schools to have a diverse learning environment.

26. #126
    On September 21st, 2007 at 4:03 pm, sausage said:

    Rusty – unfortunately the discourse on MM often leads to such attempted insults.

    governmentdrone is a prime example of someone who resides on the polar opposite side of the political spectrum to the DailyKos Kids, but is as equally delusional.

27. #127
    On September 21st, 2007 at 4:10 pm, governmentdrone said:

    Rusty:

    So glad you have the courage of your convictions. Let’s see you go into places like Harlem or Watts, or the modern day equivilents of Cabrini-Green or Pruitt-Igo with those convictions.

    And just what created the modern day versions of Harlem and Watts? The same thing that created the failed “projects” of Cabrini-Green and Pruitt-Igo. (Google ‘em Rusty. If you can find the truth out there, you’ll find that they were supposed to be the answer to all the ills befalling the black community. And you’ll find out that not only were they miserable failures at that, they were miserable failures at providing even decent affordable housing. Plus they contributed greatly to the welfare state as we know it – black families without fathers, black mothers having baby after baby just so the government will give them a little more money. The story of those projects should make you very proud of what the Democrat party and liberalism can accomplish when they are in charge in this country.)

    What created them is the same path you are following: Johnson’s “Great Society”, which was nothing more than an updated “New Deal”. And which is nothing more than a forerunner of Hillary’s “It Takes a Village”.

    The one hope I have for you Rusty is that age will do to you what it does for most people – open your eyes and realize that government and liberalism are not the answers.

    I guess what I’m saying here is that there’s nothing new in what you believe in Rusty. It’s been tried in this country for a lot of years, under a lot of different administrations. The bottom line is that it has never worked. Look at Louisiana and New Orleans. Everybody wants to blame GWB and the Republicans for all the ills there. Fact is, Louisiana and New Orleans have been under liberal Democrat rule practically forever. Why in the world wasn’t it paradise before Katrina? And why in the world shouldn’t things have gone smoothly before, during and after Katrina since the Democrats were in charge of the place?

    Answer: Because liberals and Democrats don’t give a hoot about the people. They want victims, plain and simple. Victims that they know will run to them in times of trouble; victims who will see them as a great and mighty savior. Victims who will vote for them.

    Conservatives want people to stand up for themselves, take responsibility for their own lives, and tell government “No thanks. I can take care of this better than you can.” No matter what their race, religion, creed, etc.

28. #128
    On September 21st, 2007 at 4:13 pm, governmentdrone said:

    Sausage:

    Delusional? About what, pray tell?

29. #129
    On September 21st, 2007 at 4:16 pm, deepdiver said:

    Well, my perspective has shifted a bit since reading the time line from the Jena Times (in summary):

    8/30: At an assembly joking comments made about black students sitting under the “white tree” – Why it was “joking” may seem obvious but requires speculation.

    8/31: 3 nooses in school colors on branch of tree. Nooses removed by 7:15 am and most students didn’t even know about the incident. Students claim noose idea from a movie and not based on historic racial issues – 3 different judicial jurisdictions later agree.

    9/1: Some black students say they sat under the tree in protest – nobody even noticed.

    9/5: Baptist church has rally about nooses and media gets involved and fans the flames.

    9/6: “The result of the media coverage was a tense atmosphere in the school..” 2 fights – 1) a white girl and a black girl 2) white guy gets hit in back of head in hallway while walking to class and gets stitches – article fails to state, but implies, that the opponent was a black student and doesn’t state the provocation or events leading to the hit to the head

    9/9-11/30: “as the media continued to fan the flames of racial wind” nothing happened –

    12/1 and prior weekend: Bunch of white students and a few black students having a private party – group of black guys, at least 2 of them being members of the Jena 6, try to crash the party, leads to fight, white kid gets arrested

    12/3: white guy with shotgun faces off against 3 black students at convenience store – white guy says they were trying to rob him, black guys say self-defense he had a shotgun – 3rd party witness’s story agrees with white guy and 3 black guys arrested

    12/4: 7 black male students plan to attack 1 white male student – Mychal Bell hits Justin Barker from behind knocking him unconscious and then they start kicking and stomping on Barker while he is unconscious and defenseless on the ground while other black students block the way of teachers or others trying to come to Barker’s aid.

    Well, I had never heard the entire story as it was nearly impossible to sort it out from all the news blurbs. Now that I know most, if not all, the story I agree that this was a racial incident, one perpetrated by black students against a white student.

    The noose incident, while abhorrent and racist within historical context for most of us born before 1970, may not have the same context for current high school students. This is a government school in LA. They can barely teach reading and math down there based on national rankings. Does anyone expect that the school actually taught these students history? Given that 3 jurisdictions which separately investigated the incident found the incident was not racially motivated leads me to believe that (I know this is going to sound silly) the incident was not racially motivated.

30. #130
    On September 21st, 2007 at 4:29 pm, sausage said:

    The noose incident, while abhorrent and racist within historical context for most of us born before 1970, may not have the same context for current high school students.

    Oh come on – it’s as abhorrent and racist today as it EVER was in the past.

    That’s why people still do it…

31. #131
    On September 21st, 2007 at 5:17 pm, marsouin said:

    Black children have been continuously gunned down in cold blood by the tens of thousands here in DC for 40 years (for 10 years in PG County). higher rate of violence than Baghdad. In fact, there have been instances in which the murderer of a black person was set free by the jury, only to kill again. And, we have t-shirts in DC “Don’t Snitch” urging witnesses not to report murderers of black people to the police. When blacks begin to express anger over these issues, then I will listen. The only time most blacks, and the socialist elites, express interest in black people is when there is an opportunity for political pay-off.

    These “protesters” are frauds and jokers, as is the MSM.

32. #132
    On September 21st, 2007 at 5:41 pm, JWS said:

    governmentdrone said:

    So why is it that the black community – by and large – continues to see this and use this as “proof” that they are discriminated against?

    Two reasons: 1) They hate White people B) As a fish needs water to survive, they swim in the sea of victimhood…

33. #133
    On September 21st, 2007 at 5:46 pm, deepdiver said:

    sausage said:

    “The noose incident, while abhorrent and racist within historical context for most of us born before 1970, may not have the same context for current high school students.”

    Oh come on – it’s as abhorrent and racist today as it EVER was in the past. That’s why people still do it…

    I absolutely agree if it has anything to do with race! I was talking about the context rather than the act itself. Perhaps this will make more sense as to where I was coming from:

    If one is walking through a tourist area in Tombstone, AZ and sees a noose hanging from a gallows, nobody is thinking, “they are hanging black people” as the context speaks to us of old west outlaws, not race. Whereas the same noose surrounded by men in white sheets has an entirely different contextual meaning.

    Being that 3 jurisdictions investigated and found that the nooses on the tree were not hate crimes, and being that the students claimed it had to do with something from a movie, I would postulate that the context of their actions was not the same context as older people, or perhaps those of another race, would immediately assume.

    I was not excusing the students’ actions. If they did not understand the implied racial context of what they were doing, they are seriously in need of an education on the matter. As to whether or not their punishment was appropriate, I can’t begin to hazard an opinion as we do not have all the facts. Most everyone has done something stupid and/or thoughtless in their youth and been surprised by the strength of the reactions to the act. That is part of being young and stupid and learning about the world. That is why children and young teens are not allowed to enter into contracts and vote. If that was the case here, granted it was big on the scale of “really stupid, thoughtless, harmful things I did as a kid without realizing how stupid and thoughtless I was.”

34. #134
    On September 21st, 2007 at 6:09 pm, Rick Moran said:

    TO ALL:

    The use of the “N” word regardless of context will be acceptable only if you “x” out a couple of letters.

    It is one of the few “fighting words” in the English language and we want absolutely no doubt that when it is used, it is to illustrate a broader point and not as invective or insult.

    Thanks for your cooperation.

35. #135
    On September 21st, 2007 at 8:08 pm, gunslingerpatriot said:

    Folks try this on for size..

    I am a student at the University of Memphis and the school had a “Free the Jena 6″ rally with only black students wearing t-shirts with this written on it around campus on thursday. Fortunately not all of my black classmates are supporting these six thugs, but are supporting the victim.

    Sadly, none of these fine students protested when three innocent athletes at Duke were prosecuted and in the face of evidence believed a Crystal, blamed a cop for shooting a child who confronted police with a replica toy gun in South Memphis, AR, and has consistently taken the position that blacks are always victims and cannot do anything wrong.

    So in case people forget; the victim is a white non-athlete attacked by six black athletes. This is critical because these athletes are training for their sports and generally in pretty good condition.

    I propose that on monday people wear a white-bandana on their arm show to solidarity with the victim and that thuggery will not be tolerated due to political correctness.

    Hate is still hate, regardless of who is spreading it.

36. #136
    On September 21st, 2007 at 8:54 pm, bear1909 said:

    Rusty said:
    

    Hanging a noose from a tree (a day after black students were hanging out there) isn’t a prank, it is terrorism. It is meant to terrorize black students. The end result is the madness you see today.

    It isn’t terrorism, Rusty. It is white racism against blacks. White racism uses the threat of violence to control the behavior of blacks.

    Let’s not cloud the issue and start talking about how other groups do this same thing.

    Terror and threatening violence, terror and the use of violence- instilling terror is a tool of white racism.

    To label the act as “terrorism” is meaningless because the motivation and intent is to control a race of people deemed to be inferior to whites. That is the crux and motivation behind white racism- white cultural superiority.

    Do all whites practice this. Nope. But it is practiced by our noose throwers. Their model, their standard for humanity-or being considered a human being is, well, white.

    White racism, Rusty- call it what it is. Do not dumb it down. Do not kum ba ya it.

    “Hate crime” obfuscates the operative conditioning behind a social problem that mutates faster than our society is able to lower its standards.

37. #137
    On September 21st, 2007 at 9:19 pm, iamsaved said:

    Bear1909:
    You paint with a wide brush. Not every symbolic act or spoken word has racial overtones just because a particular race decides to make it so without considering the context in which it was said or done.

    The Nword when used by whites, no matter the context, is always considered racist. However, when a black uses the same word, it’s a term of endearment to their brother or sister.

    As someone pointed out earlier, a noose hanging in old town Deadwood would signify the old West and how justice was meted out. Everyone would know it is a prop to set the theme for the tourists.

    Why don’t the blacks get in an uproar when they see angry Muslims hanging President Bush or a U.S. soldier in effigy when shown on the news? They use a noose don’t they?

    As I understand this particular story, the noose was used for something totally innocuous. It was those who didn’t take the time to ask what the purpose was that jumped to conclusions and yelled racist. That’s a word that has been to easy to yell when it’s convenient to play the victim.

38. #138
    On September 21st, 2007 at 9:30 pm, HeatherRadish said:

    On September 21st, 2007 at 10:38 am, Rusty said:

    If you are equating “cracker” or “white devil” with “nig**r”

    So it’s perfectly good to slur people who happened to be born with pale skin (through no fault or achievement of their own)?

    You are EXACTLY like the dumbasses in Jena who hung nooses from the schoolyard tree, insisting that someone’s skin color gives you license to treat them like they’re subhuman (here’s something your mother should have taught you when you were much younger—it doesn’t).

    As long as you and people like you insist on seeing everyone as their skin color and setting different standards for how you treat white people as how you treat black people, no one is EVER going to treat ANYONE equally.

39. #139
    On September 21st, 2007 at 10:21 pm, philtac said:

    OK… Now I know the ” N word ” is a big no no these days and it now seems to me a Noose hanging from a tree is most likely going to be the next Sharpton, Jackson trigger for demonstrations. How come no one sees a problem with 6 against 1? Now thats more like a linch mob. I think if the roles were reversed it would have been even a bigger story. Why does raceism only run one way on a two way street?

40. #140
    On September 21st, 2007 at 10:34 pm, DarkKnight said:

    On September 21st, 2007 at 9:19 pm, iamsaved said:
    The Nword when used by whites, no matter the context, is always considered racist. However, when a black uses the same word, it’s a term of endearment to their brother or sister.

    Sometimes. There are plenty of instances where it is used not as a term of endearment.

    On September 21st, 2007 at 1:59 pm, governmentdrone said:
    BTW, in reading your other posts, I would have to put you in the same category with Rusty – race p!mp. So unless you can bring something fresh to the discussion – something that isn’t just “poor me. my ancestors were slaves 200 years ago, and 50 years ago my grandfather had to use a separate bathroom so I must be a victim of whitey”, then further discussion with you is pointless also.

    On September 21st, 2007 at 3:31 pm, governmentdrone said:
    Oh, and one other thing:

    Just because your liberal buddies think you should have white man’s guilt syndrome because of slavery – don’t buy into it.

    Thanks for playing junior. Now go away and let the adults talk.

    Reading your posts in this thread, you haven’t added that much but rail against Daily Kos, the Liberal MSM, etc. etc.

    Never mind the fact that Rusty is actually here on MM where he has access to more “enlightened” information…

    Discussion with a person who hurls such insults (“Thanks for palying junior?”) is not warranted or necessary.

    On September 21st, 2007 at 8:08 pm, gunslingerpatriot said:
    Folks try this on for size..

    I am a student at the University of Memphis and the school had a “Free the Jena 6″ rally with only black students wearing t-shirts with this written on it around campus on thursday. Fortunately not all of my black classmates are supporting these six thugs, but are supporting the victim.

    So do you agree with the School Board overruling the principal to suspend the kids who hung the nooses, rather than expel them?

    On September 21st, 2007 at 5:17 pm, marsouin said:
    Black children have been continuously gunned down in cold blood by the tens of thousands here in DC for 40 years (for 10 years in PG County). higher rate of violence than Baghdad. In fact, there have been instances in which the murderer of a black person was set free by the jury, only to kill again. And, we have t-shirts in DC “Don’t Snitch” urging witnesses not to report murderers of black people to the police. When blacks begin to express anger over these issues, then I will listen…

    Then you had pretty start listening quick. There is plenty of outrage from ministers, community leaders and ordinary African Americans who do not agree with the “Don’t Snitch” mantra.

    http://www.tampabays10.com/news/local/extras/article.aspx?storyid=55573

    There was the case of little girl who was killed in Cleveland a few weeks ago. The police were searching for the alleged participant and people led police to him.

    http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2007/09/hunt_on_for_2nd_suspect_in_12y.html

    On September 21st, 2007 at 2:12 pm, mojoe said:
    On September 21st, 2007 at 10:42 am, DarkKnight said:
    Interesting… no response to the story of how GOP leaders are ignoring the minority communities when they shouldn’t be.
    ***************************
    Because no matter what they do, it’s a lose-lose situation.

    Newt doesn’t agree with you. It’s a greater losing situation if you DON’T speak to them. The Latino community is overwhelmingly Catholic and the African-American community tends to be socially conservative, so there could be common ground.

    I just find it interesting that conservatives like Ms. Malkin, Laura, Rush, etc. say that the Democrats are cowards for not wanting to face tough questions at the Fox debates (which I still think they should participate in), but they will not condemn the GOP candidates for taking the hard questions at a forum where their answers will not be so broadly accepted. If anything, I would want to see if the candidates change their tune in the face of a hostile audience or whether they would stick to their guns.

    Of course, that might be applying the same standards to members of both parties.

    Parish the thought.

    /sarcasm

41. #141
    On September 21st, 2007 at 11:58 pm, 1ManMilitia said:

    I remember the Decatur Six circa 1999 .
    I searched for it and couldn’t find it on Yahoo!.
    I had to search for [Decatur "jesse jackson"].
    It seems that Jesse turned that travesty into the Decatur Seven because the members of the school board who expelled the gang-members were all white.
    We have video of that brawl, and we should be running it right now on every channel for context.
    Jesse Jackson is a joke!

42. #142
    On September 22nd, 2007 at 3:10 pm, governmentdrone said:

    Dark Knight and Rusty:
    (If you’re still checking this thread)

    I’m not surprised that you took my comments regarding Rusty’s age and viewpoints completely out of context. The comment I left about “moving out of your parent’s basement” was not a slam on his age. It was a slam (yes, I admit it was a slam) on his perceived immaturity in light of his comment about how white males are not discriminated against.

    To make that statement shows that he either a)has absolutely no real world experience – at age 24 most likely still in college (a career student, perhaps?), or b)still does, indeed, live in mommy and daddy’s basement. For reasons of my own, I chose the latter to make the point.

    As far as offering nothing of substance, I would invite you to re-read my posts with less of a prejudicial eye, then answer some of the points I raise critically; particularly those involving the failed experiments of Cabrini-Green, Pruitt-Igo, etc., and the broader overall failure of darned near a century of liberal Democrat policies. Or perhaps you might like to take a shot at why New Orleans, under a liberal Democrat rule for basically it’s entire history wasn’t the paradise that the liberals and Democrats continually promise they will bring about when they are in charge?

    I notice you chose not to address those issues. You chose instead to attack me because I dared to challenge Rusty’s lack of maturity and experience at an age when he should have plenty of both.

43. #143
    On September 22nd, 2007 at 3:22 pm, governmentdrone said:

    Dark Knight:

    One other thing -

    I hardly think that one statement, in one post where I told Rusty to try getting information from sources other than Daily Kos, Wikipedia, liberal talk radio and the MSM could HARDLY be taken as “railing” against the entities mentioned.

    Nowhere, in any of my other posts were those things even mentioned.

    It would seem that you’re a little oversensitive about that for some reason.

44. #144
    On September 22nd, 2007 at 10:57 pm, DarkKnight said:

    Yes I am very much still reading governmentdrone. This thread has gone complete away its purpose and intent so I will try and bring it back all together.

    No matter what age Rusty is, or anyone else in this forum, the fact of the matter is that there remains a divide in this country. Perpetual victim argument is a possibility, but you must concede that cries of injustice must not be dismissed as “race hustlers” because so long as people will go around dangling nooses from the back of their truck, or hang a noose from a tree and not realize it’s historical significance, this country will have to confront the issues of race in the 21st century. We are in this together and we must solve it, together. No matter what party, no matter what race. The Democrats must answer the tough questions (if it from a Fox forum) and the GOP must answer the tough questions (if it is a majority latino or African-American audience). To ignore anyone or anything in these racial and political discussions can only be a detriment to our society.

    To answer your question, it would be a pleasure to discuss Pruitt-Igoe and other projects in threads pertaining to housing as I think that would be a good discussion.

    With that, I close.

45. #145
    On September 23rd, 2007 at 7:19 am, gunslingerpatriot said:

    Dear MM and bloggers-
    Here is the editorial I sent to “The Daily Helmsman” the University of Memphis student newspaper in response to the “Jena Six” Its a little long and hope I commented on the story properly.

    Dear Editor,
    His name is Justin Barker…The victim who was attacked from behind by six students and subsesquently kicked while he was unable to defend himself. I dare to question who is able to survive being attacked from behind, and be able to defend oneself against a large number of attackers.

    While the punishment may not appear to fit the crime, murder-No, assualt-Yes, however this does not permit anyone free rein to attack a person just because they felt like doing it or to make up a perceived injustice committed by someone else with the only shared characteristics being the color of ones skin. Justin was attacked for only one reason, and that it was because of the color of his skin. He wasn’t responsible for the nooses on the tree (those students were punished with a suspension) and there is nothing being reported in the MSM or the blogsphere of Justin doing anything to provoke the attack.

    If there ever was a justification to apply a hate crimes statue to, this case against the Jena Six would be perfect example of it.

    Wearing clothes to show unity with the Jena Six is nice, while ignoring Justin is pathetic and down outright disgraceful. Only in America will people take the minority race of a criminal into account, make execuses for their behavior while simultaneous ignoring the evidence of their crime. At least be consistent in protesting when the judicial system appears to persecuting an innocent person, and fight for the justice of all rather than just because a person shares the same racial characteristics with you.

    Consider reading Jason Whitlock’s September 20th column in the Kansas City Star:

    “Much has been written about Bell’s trial, the six-person all-white jury that convicted him of aggravated battery and conspiracy to commit aggravated battery and the clueless public defender who called no witnesses and offered no defense. It is rarely mentioned that no black people responded to the jury summonses and that Bell’s public defender was black.”

    Sadly the University of Memphis student body was very silent when another malefience of judical tyranny occured recently when members of the Duke Lacrosse team were falsely accused of rape by Crystal Mangum, prosecuted by DA Mike Nifong, humiliated by the faculty of professors called the “Group of 88″ and the media who held on to Nifong’s every word. These victims didn’t have a protest rally for their innocence and suffered in ways most people will never understand.

    There is no doubt that the Jena Six are guilty of assualting Justin Barker, but to make them out as martyrs of a judicial system that is biased against African-Americans is to ignore the standards of law that are applied to other racial groups without fail. There comes a time when the system needs to be fixed, a time to let the system work and a time to fight for the justice of all who are unfairly being persecuted.

    His name is Justin Barker……Is there going to be a rally to support him and the injustice he has received from the Jena Six supporters from the University of Memphis?

    Paul K. Fischer

46. #146
    On September 23rd, 2007 at 4:00 pm, Chief RZ said:

    A little more information… In today’s State paper, I read that the ropes were used as hoops by all students (that would be negroes and caucasian students) they were diving throught them? Did anyone else read this or have a comment? How about some more facts without all the Al Sharpton Tawana Brawley lies and manufacturing Truths. Let’s try to be adults and debate facts.

    Not one of the “group of 88″ have apologized. I wrote two myself, but did not get a reply. Typical, irresponsible people. Professors? Negative. They do not deserve that status.

47. #147
    On September 24th, 2007 at 12:45 am, DarkKnight said:

    http://www.thejenatimes.net/home_page_graphics/home.html

    The nooses were placed there (or discovered) after an assembly where an African American asked if it was OK to sit under a certain tree. I don’t think these were “hoops.” Nothing I’ve read indicates that anyway. Plus, I’m not sure I’ve seen any hoops that children have dived through in the shape of a noose. Ever.

48. #148
    On September 24th, 2007 at 10:04 am, Rusty said:

    To everyone who thinks hanging a noose is no big deal. I double dog dare you to hang a noose in a black neighborhood. Put your money where your mouth is.

    Re Rick Moran’s ban on the “N-bomb.” Ridiculous. Either you trust the readers here to behave and talk like adults or you don’t. Clearly, you don’t. Frankly, considering some of the crazy stuff on this thread, I don’t blame you. But using a word in context and using it as a slur are two different things. And as if the use of asterisks will make it better? “*igger” is just as bad as the entire word when used as a slur. I mean, asterisks! Really?

    Although, it does illustrate that there is a clear difference between one slur and things like “cracker” and “white devil.” Obviously Nig*er is much worse.

    And, governmentdrone:

    To make that statement shows that he either a)has absolutely no real world experience – at age 24 most likely still in college (a career student, perhaps?), or b)still does, indeed, live in mommy and daddy’s basement. For reasons of my own, I chose the latter to make the point.

    Or I live on my own with a nine-to-five 500 miles from my parents. Get bent. When you assume, you make an ass out of…well, just you. You may have more “real world” experience than me, but I’m doing just fine, thank you very much. Your agist elitism isn’t much worse than the “reverse discrimination” you think is so prevalent.

49. #149
    On September 25th, 2007 at 10:59 am, gunslingerpatriot said:

    Follow up to my post #145; the University of Memphis student newspaper didn’t publish or acknowledge my editorial against the “Jena Six” in todays newspaper.
    There was a very brief f/u article with just a photo of several black students wearing their protest shirts, and a small editorial praising the “Jena Six”