Comments on: Blind shoppers get green light to sue Target over website http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/03/blind-shoppers-get-green-light-to-sue-target-over-website/ news and commentary from a conservative perspective Mon, 23 Nov 2009 22:53:34 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Cotton Rohrscheib - Blog Archive » Target Lawsuit Update http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/03/blind-shoppers-get-green-light-to-sue-target-over-website/comment-page-1/#comment-568724 Cotton Rohrscheib - Blog Archive » Target Lawsuit Update Thu, 11 Dec 2008 03:23:34 +0000 http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/03/blind-shoppers-get-green-light-to-sue-target-over-website/#comment-568724 [...] Michelle Malkin: Blind shoppers get green light to sue Target over website [...] [...] Michelle Malkin: Blind shoppers get green light to sue Target over website [...]

]]> By: “The always indispensable Overlawyered” http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/03/blind-shoppers-get-green-light-to-sue-target-over-website/comment-page-1/#comment-330565 “The always indispensable Overlawyered” Thu, 22 May 2008 20:29:32 +0000 http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/03/blind-shoppers-get-green-light-to-sue-target-over-website/#comment-330565 [...] Thanks to Michelle Malkin at her #1 conservative blog for those kind words. [...] [...] Thanks to Michelle Malkin at her #1 conservative blog for those kind words. [...]

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]]> By: We Should Live - Ben Bateman » The Ever-Hungry ADA http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/03/blind-shoppers-get-green-light-to-sue-target-over-website/comment-page-1/#comment-141757 We Should Live - Ben Bateman » The Ever-Hungry ADA Mon, 08 Oct 2007 19:10:05 +0000 http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/03/blind-shoppers-get-green-light-to-sue-target-over-website/#comment-141757 [...] Michelle Malkin relays a story on a lawsuit accusing Target of violating the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA).  But there’s nothing wrong with the stores themselves.  They have plenty of ramps, wide doors, and whatnot.  Target stands accusing of insufficiently accommodating the disabled on their web site: U.S. District Judge Marilyn Hall Patel in San Francisco rejected Target’s request to dismiss the case. She also certified the case as a class action, ruling that all legally blind people in the U.S. who have been denied access to services at Target stores because of deficiencies in the company’s website can join the suit. [...] [...] Michelle Malkin relays a story on a lawsuit accusing Target of violating the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA).  But there’s nothing wrong with the stores themselves.  They have plenty of ramps, wide doors, and whatnot.  Target stands accusing of insufficiently accommodating the disabled on their web site: U.S. District Judge Marilyn Hall Patel in San Francisco rejected Target’s request to dismiss the case. She also certified the case as a class action, ruling that all legally blind people in the U.S. who have been denied access to services at Target stores because of deficiencies in the company’s website can join the suit. [...]

]]> By: Is the Target Lawsuit Frivolous? - Accessites.org http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/03/blind-shoppers-get-green-light-to-sue-target-over-website/comment-page-1/#comment-141355 Is the Target Lawsuit Frivolous? - Accessites.org Mon, 08 Oct 2007 02:56:55 +0000 http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/03/blind-shoppers-get-green-light-to-sue-target-over-website/#comment-141355 [...] Malkin: Blind Shoppers get Green Light to Sue Target Over Website(Michelle Malkin’s article and its comments are what fired up WSG mailing list [...] [...] Malkin: Blind Shoppers get Green Light to Sue Target Over Website(Michelle Malkin’s article and its comments are what fired up WSG mailing list [...]

]]> By: Judge Allows Lawsuit Against Target to Continue » Constitutionally Right http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/03/blind-shoppers-get-green-light-to-sue-target-over-website/comment-page-1/#comment-139389 Judge Allows Lawsuit Against Target to Continue » Constitutionally Right Thu, 04 Oct 2007 14:05:21 +0000 http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/03/blind-shoppers-get-green-light-to-sue-target-over-website/#comment-139389 [...] Michelle Malkin points out, a similar lawsuit against Southwest failed a few years ago: U.S. District Judge [...] [...] Michelle Malkin points out, a similar lawsuit against Southwest failed a few years ago: U.S. District Judge [...]

]]> By: Emmychka http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/03/blind-shoppers-get-green-light-to-sue-target-over-website/comment-page-1/#comment-139248 Emmychka Thu, 04 Oct 2007 07:51:00 +0000 http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/03/blind-shoppers-get-green-light-to-sue-target-over-website/#comment-139248 Welcome to America where you can have it YOUR way. /sarcasm Welcome to America where you can have it YOUR way. /sarcasm

]]> By: Right Wing News http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/03/blind-shoppers-get-green-light-to-sue-target-over-website/comment-page-1/#comment-139246 Right Wing News Thu, 04 Oct 2007 07:40:30 +0000 http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/03/blind-shoppers-get-green-light-to-sue-target-over-website/#comment-139246 <strong>Liberal Judges Gone Wild...</strong> This is an obnoxious lawsuit, Target Corp., the second-largest U.S. discount store chain, lost a bid Tuesday to dismiss a lawsuit claiming the company’s website wasn’t accessible to the blind. U.S. District Judge Marilyn Hall Patel in San Francisco... Liberal Judges Gone Wild…

This is an obnoxious lawsuit, Target Corp., the second-largest U.S. discount store chain, lost a bid Tuesday to dismiss a lawsuit claiming the company’s website wasn’t accessible to the blind. U.S. District Judge Marilyn Hall Patel in San Francisco…

]]> By: ackrite55 http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/03/blind-shoppers-get-green-light-to-sue-target-over-website/comment-page-1/#comment-139234 ackrite55 Thu, 04 Oct 2007 06:21:40 +0000 http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/03/blind-shoppers-get-green-light-to-sue-target-over-website/#comment-139234 I do believe those wishing to climb Half Dome would prefer to use adaptive equipment and not a lift. I do believe those wishing to climb Half Dome would prefer to use adaptive equipment and not a lift.

]]> By: Suing companies over inaccessible websites | The Montoya Herald http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/03/blind-shoppers-get-green-light-to-sue-target-over-website/comment-page-1/#comment-139217 Suing companies over inaccessible websites | The Montoya Herald Thu, 04 Oct 2007 04:25:36 +0000 http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/03/blind-shoppers-get-green-light-to-sue-target-over-website/#comment-139217 [...] For the past year, the webdesign community and the public at large has been debating a case in which blind citizens are suing Target because their website is inaccessible to them. Michelle Malkin has an update on the case at her blog: Blind shoppers get green light to sue Target over website. [...] [...] For the past year, the webdesign community and the public at large has been debating a case in which blind citizens are suing Target because their website is inaccessible to them. Michelle Malkin has an update on the case at her blog: Blind shoppers get green light to sue Target over website. [...]

]]> By: pressto http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/03/blind-shoppers-get-green-light-to-sue-target-over-website/comment-page-1/#comment-139214 pressto Thu, 04 Oct 2007 04:18:40 +0000 http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/03/blind-shoppers-get-green-light-to-sue-target-over-website/#comment-139214 <blockquote>There are some important points about the Target lawsuit:</blockquote> Not a single point is covered by ADA and NOTHING in the ADA laws states companies are required to do 100% the same for people with disabilities to those that do have them. NOTHING in ADA covers the web. IF they pass a new law fine, but until that time Target did nothing wrong and the judge should have thrown the lawsuit out. What is next, wheelchair ramps or Lifts up to the top of Half Dome?

There are some important points about the Target lawsuit:

Not a single point is covered by ADA and NOTHING in the ADA laws states companies are required to do 100% the same for people with disabilities to those that do have them. NOTHING in ADA covers the web. IF they pass a new law fine, but until that time Target did nothing wrong and the judge should have thrown the lawsuit out.

What is next, wheelchair ramps or Lifts up to the top of Half Dome?

]]> By: RetFireman http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/03/blind-shoppers-get-green-light-to-sue-target-over-website/comment-page-1/#comment-139213 RetFireman Thu, 04 Oct 2007 04:17:43 +0000 http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/03/blind-shoppers-get-green-light-to-sue-target-over-website/#comment-139213 On the bigger picture, if this does go through, Target loses and has to pay...won't this potentially open it up for any blind person anywhere to sue anyone who has a web site that they are unable to hear? The broader impact of this decision is just staggering...if that is what could happen. More P.C. run amock. On the bigger picture, if this does go through, Target loses and has to pay…won’t this potentially open it up for any blind person anywhere to sue anyone who has a web site that they are unable to hear? The broader impact of this decision is just staggering…if that is what could happen. More P.C. run amock.

]]> By: bit_boy http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/03/blind-shoppers-get-green-light-to-sue-target-over-website/comment-page-1/#comment-139205 bit_boy Thu, 04 Oct 2007 03:57:51 +0000 http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/03/blind-shoppers-get-green-light-to-sue-target-over-website/#comment-139205 timbudd #34, thanks for your subject matter input: <blockquote>Programming a web site so that a screen reading software program can be used, like JAWS, is an accepted and standard process for reputable commercial website developers</blockquote> It seems to me both Target and the National Federation of the Blind could benefit working this problem and sharing the results internet wide. At the same time they might teach webmaster not all users have high speed DSL or Cable access and audio/visual clips are a waste of time on us. timbudd #34, thanks for your subject matter input:

Programming a web site so that a screen reading software program can be used, like JAWS, is an accepted and standard process for reputable commercial website developers

It seems to me both Target and the National Federation of the Blind could benefit working this problem and sharing the results internet wide. At the same time they might teach webmaster not all users have high speed DSL or Cable access and audio/visual clips are a waste of time on us.

]]> By: Companies will stop building websites for what reason? « Cowardly political musings… http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/03/blind-shoppers-get-green-light-to-sue-target-over-website/comment-page-1/#comment-139188 Companies will stop building websites for what reason? « Cowardly political musings… Thu, 04 Oct 2007 03:04:20 +0000 http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/03/blind-shoppers-get-green-light-to-sue-target-over-website/#comment-139188 [...] against Target for deficiencies in the website that makes parts of it inaccessible to the blind. She says: Won’t the ultimate outcome be to discourage companies from operating websites [...] [...] against Target for deficiencies in the website that makes parts of it inaccessible to the blind. She says: Won’t the ultimate outcome be to discourage companies from operating websites [...]

]]> By: JR http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/03/blind-shoppers-get-green-light-to-sue-target-over-website/comment-page-1/#comment-139154 JR Thu, 04 Oct 2007 01:00:52 +0000 http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/03/blind-shoppers-get-green-light-to-sue-target-over-website/#comment-139154 There are some important points about the Target lawsuit: 1. Blind people were blocked from accessing online-only coupons and sale items, and these discounts were not available at their local stores. 2. Target was notified of the problems, and given suggestions on how to fix them. Many of the problems were simply based on lack of alt attributes in images and image maps. 3. Target ignored these suggestions and 6 months later, the lawsuit was filed. There are many sites that are not fully accessible. We would probably be safe in stating 95% of the sites are not "fully accessible". However, the law requires some effort to making your site accessible and if you are providing a service exclusively online, you are responsible to make that available to everyone. It is surprising that Target allowed itself to get in this position. They are a company with a strong visual brand and design ethos. They should have taken this more seriously. Perhaps they will grow from this experience and develop a much better site that is an example of great design with great accessibility built in. There are some important points about the Target lawsuit:

1. Blind people were blocked from accessing online-only coupons and sale items, and these discounts were not available at their local stores.
2. Target was notified of the problems, and given suggestions on how to fix them. Many of the problems were simply based on lack of alt attributes in images and image maps.
3. Target ignored these suggestions and 6 months later, the lawsuit was filed.

There are many sites that are not fully accessible. We would probably be safe in stating 95% of the sites are not “fully accessible”. However, the law requires some effort to making your site accessible and if you are providing a service exclusively online, you are responsible to make that available to everyone.

It is surprising that Target allowed itself to get in this position. They are a company with a strong visual brand and design ethos. They should have taken this more seriously. Perhaps they will grow from this experience and develop a much better site that is an example of great design with great accessibility built in.

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