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	<title>Comments on: BoingBoing vs. conservatives; Update: BoingBoing responds</title>
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		<title>By: hadsil</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/04/boingboing-vs-conservatives/comment-page-1/#comment-139894</link>
		<dc:creator>hadsil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 22:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m unaware of this site myself.  However, since you did have a cordial relaltionship with them and this was the only &quot;issue&quot; you had, note your objection but let it go.  You can expect the commentary it has received but don&#039;t yet blame the webmaster.  If they continue with this behavior then you reevaluate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m unaware of this site myself.  However, since you did have a cordial relaltionship with them and this was the only &#8220;issue&#8221; you had, note your objection but let it go.  You can expect the commentary it has received but don&#8217;t yet blame the webmaster.  If they continue with this behavior then you reevaluate.</p>
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		<title>By: Rusty</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/04/boingboing-vs-conservatives/comment-page-1/#comment-139830</link>
		<dc:creator>Rusty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 21:13:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I stopped reading Rusty’s comments when he said it was acceptable to bash people because of their skin color.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I don&#039;t say that. I say the opposite. Huh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I stopped reading Rusty’s comments when he said it was acceptable to bash people because of their skin color.</p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t say that. I say the opposite. Huh?</p>
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		<title>By: HeatherRadish</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/04/boingboing-vs-conservatives/comment-page-1/#comment-139798</link>
		<dc:creator>HeatherRadish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 20:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I stopped reading Rusty&#039;s comments when he said it was acceptable to bash people because of their skin color.

But I don&#039;t hold his comments against Michelle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I stopped reading Rusty&#8217;s comments when he said it was acceptable to bash people because of their skin color.</p>
<p>But I don&#8217;t hold his comments against Michelle.</p>
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		<title>By: Walldog</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/04/boingboing-vs-conservatives/comment-page-1/#comment-139783</link>
		<dc:creator>Walldog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 20:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ever notice that the same group of people who tell us to be tolerant and &quot;stop the hate&quot; are often the same ones who suggest violence against anyone who disagrees with them?  Of course, when challenged they say it was just for laughs.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ever notice that the same group of people who tell us to be tolerant and &#8220;stop the hate&#8221; are often the same ones who suggest violence against anyone who disagrees with them?  Of course, when challenged they say it was just for laughs.</p>
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		<title>By: jfish</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/04/boingboing-vs-conservatives/comment-page-1/#comment-139778</link>
		<dc:creator>jfish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 20:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@JW2,

Agreed.  I think that the issue doesn&#039;t bear censure so much as it simply raises the question that Michelle started out with:

Why would you take an action, however tongue-in-cheek, that is very likely to alienate some large portion of the 51% of America that seem to be non-liberal (roughly the folks that put W in office twice now)?  If you&#039;re not a political site, and you live largely on ad dollars, why in the world would you do that?  The liberals have been a minority lately, all MSM volume to the contrary.  So, sure, it&#039;s a joke, but it&#039;s just bad business, as MM pointed out at the top.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@JW2,</p>
<p>Agreed.  I think that the issue doesn&#8217;t bear censure so much as it simply raises the question that Michelle started out with:</p>
<p>Why would you take an action, however tongue-in-cheek, that is very likely to alienate some large portion of the 51% of America that seem to be non-liberal (roughly the folks that put W in office twice now)?  If you&#8217;re not a political site, and you live largely on ad dollars, why in the world would you do that?  The liberals have been a minority lately, all MSM volume to the contrary.  So, sure, it&#8217;s a joke, but it&#8217;s just bad business, as MM pointed out at the top.</p>
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		<title>By: JW2</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/04/boingboing-vs-conservatives/comment-page-1/#comment-139755</link>
		<dc:creator>JW2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 20:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t disagree with the overall current of the discussion here, however, I think that it has taken a turn away from (what I consider to be) the real point.

&lt;strong&gt;Rusty&lt;/strong&gt;, the point, as I see it, is not that there is a threat of imminent violence to the conservatives pictured. What you recently said is correct as far as &quot;Take my wife... please,&quot; being a joke and not serious. I think most of realize that this is a joke and Frauenfelder was not actually put a hit out Michelle and the rest of the group. &lt;em&gt;My&lt;/em&gt; problem with this is that a website that has nothing to do with politics is using their site as a soapbox from which they are making such (tasteless) jokes about a group of conservatives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t disagree with the overall current of the discussion here, however, I think that it has taken a turn away from (what I consider to be) the real point.</p>
<p><strong>Rusty</strong>, the point, as I see it, is not that there is a threat of imminent violence to the conservatives pictured. What you recently said is correct as far as &#8220;Take my wife&#8230; please,&#8221; being a joke and not serious. I think most of realize that this is a joke and Frauenfelder was not actually put a hit out Michelle and the rest of the group. <em>My</em> problem with this is that a website that has nothing to do with politics is using their site as a soapbox from which they are making such (tasteless) jokes about a group of conservatives.</p>
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		<title>By: dakine</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/04/boingboing-vs-conservatives/comment-page-1/#comment-139744</link>
		<dc:creator>dakine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 20:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks ifish.  I&#039;m going to have to use &quot;pwned&quot; next time I text my 16 year old.

bear, good info.  For what it&#039;s worth, I would point out, however, that the the parties were much different at that time and the names aren&#039;t that relevant in terms of comparing the respective political ideologies of politicians over time.

governmentdrone, sometimes it&#039;s okay to concede a point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks ifish.  I&#8217;m going to have to use &#8220;pwned&#8221; next time I text my 16 year old.</p>
<p>bear, good info.  For what it&#8217;s worth, I would point out, however, that the the parties were much different at that time and the names aren&#8217;t that relevant in terms of comparing the respective political ideologies of politicians over time.</p>
<p>governmentdrone, sometimes it&#8217;s okay to concede a point.</p>
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		<title>By: Rusty</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/04/boingboing-vs-conservatives/comment-page-1/#comment-139718</link>
		<dc:creator>Rusty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 19:42:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh. My. God.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Hate speech is hate speech. Period.

Rusty, you can’t right past wrongs by doing wrong to a group of people now.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

First off, no one did anything to anyone. It was a joke.

Hate speech is hate speech? What? You don&#039;t see the contextual difference there? Humor doesn&#039;t work on some kind of categorical imperative. History and stereotypes make every joke and comment different. So, yeah, &quot;hanging&quot; a bunch of conservative pundits is merely a double-entendre on the word &quot;hang.&quot; A joke about hanging black people brings to mind the centuries of terrorism black people faced if they so much as looked at a white woman.

You can call me cheap, but you can&#039;t do the same to a group of Jewish people. You can call me lazy, but you can&#039;t do the same to a group of Hispanics. And on and on.

These double-standards aren&#039;t mine. They&#039;re society&#039;s. And if you really think the line &quot;they had me at the first seven words!&quot; is hate speech, then you are probably the least funny person on the planet. If the humor is a little dark for you, fine. But &quot;hate speech?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh. My. God.</p>
<blockquote><p>Hate speech is hate speech. Period.</p>
<p>Rusty, you can’t right past wrongs by doing wrong to a group of people now.</p></blockquote>
<p>First off, no one did anything to anyone. It was a joke.</p>
<p>Hate speech is hate speech? What? You don&#8217;t see the contextual difference there? Humor doesn&#8217;t work on some kind of categorical imperative. History and stereotypes make every joke and comment different. So, yeah, &#8220;hanging&#8221; a bunch of conservative pundits is merely a double-entendre on the word &#8220;hang.&#8221; A joke about hanging black people brings to mind the centuries of terrorism black people faced if they so much as looked at a white woman.</p>
<p>You can call me cheap, but you can&#8217;t do the same to a group of Jewish people. You can call me lazy, but you can&#8217;t do the same to a group of Hispanics. And on and on.</p>
<p>These double-standards aren&#8217;t mine. They&#8217;re society&#8217;s. And if you really think the line &#8220;they had me at the first seven words!&#8221; is hate speech, then you are probably the least funny person on the planet. If the humor is a little dark for you, fine. But &#8220;hate speech?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: governmentdrone</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/04/boingboing-vs-conservatives/comment-page-1/#comment-139699</link>
		<dc:creator>governmentdrone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 19:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;On October 4th, 2007 at 2:53 pm, Rusty said: 
Gvmtdrone, the situation would obviously be different if it were a group of black people.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Why?&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;

Hate speech is hate speech.  Period.

Rusty, you can&#039;t right past wrongs by doing wrong to a group of people now.

Wrong is wrong, no matter the time or place.

Your double standards, and rationalizing of them are mind blowing to say the least.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>On October 4th, 2007 at 2:53 pm, Rusty said:<br />
Gvmtdrone, the situation would obviously be different if it were a group of black people.
</p></blockquote>
<p><strong><em>Why?</em></strong></p>
<p>Hate speech is hate speech.  Period.</p>
<p>Rusty, you can&#8217;t right past wrongs by doing wrong to a group of people now.</p>
<p>Wrong is wrong, no matter the time or place.</p>
<p>Your double standards, and rationalizing of them are mind blowing to say the least.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Britton</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/04/boingboing-vs-conservatives/comment-page-1/#comment-139671</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Britton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 19:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is just sad, if it was a slander against the left you can guarantee that there would be outrage and probably a boycott. This comment from one of their brilliant readers tops them all however.
&lt;blockquote&gt;
“May we also suggest: Ann Coulter Poster”
The Ann Coulter poster is yours. Take it. Rape it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

How pathetic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is just sad, if it was a slander against the left you can guarantee that there would be outrage and probably a boycott. This comment from one of their brilliant readers tops them all however.</p>
<blockquote><p>
“May we also suggest: Ann Coulter Poster”<br />
The Ann Coulter poster is yours. Take it. Rape it.</p></blockquote>
<p>How pathetic.</p>
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		<title>By: Rusty</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/04/boingboing-vs-conservatives/comment-page-1/#comment-139657</link>
		<dc:creator>Rusty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 18:53:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gvmtdrone, the situation would obviously be different if it were a group of black people. Wouldn&#039;t matter if they were conservative or liberal.

Jokes, every joke ever, depends on the context of a situation. If America had a history of lynching conservative pundits, I would have been infuriated at the Boing Boing joke.

I mean, do you get offended every time you hear &quot;Take my wife...please&quot; because it endorses wife-swapping and/or adultery? Or do you think it&#039;s just a silly joke? The context of the comment (here being an unexpected addition to a popular phrase) makes the joke (arguably) funny.

Or how about &quot;Women, can&#039;t live with them and murder is illegal.&quot; Is that offensive because it implies people want to murder women? Or is it funny because the second part of the phrase goes counter to the listener&#039;s expectations?  If you have a sense of humor, the latter. 

I mean, &quot;Do they sell bundles with dart sets too&quot; is being used here as an example of a comment going too far. As if using a conservative poster as a dart set is an implicit threat to impale Robert Novak with a projectile spear.

Come on people! Have a laugh! Even at your own expense! If you want to make a funny joke about me being a troll, go right ahead. If we lose our sense of humor we have nothing left.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gvmtdrone, the situation would obviously be different if it were a group of black people. Wouldn&#8217;t matter if they were conservative or liberal.</p>
<p>Jokes, every joke ever, depends on the context of a situation. If America had a history of lynching conservative pundits, I would have been infuriated at the Boing Boing joke.</p>
<p>I mean, do you get offended every time you hear &#8220;Take my wife&#8230;please&#8221; because it endorses wife-swapping and/or adultery? Or do you think it&#8217;s just a silly joke? The context of the comment (here being an unexpected addition to a popular phrase) makes the joke (arguably) funny.</p>
<p>Or how about &#8220;Women, can&#8217;t live with them and murder is illegal.&#8221; Is that offensive because it implies people want to murder women? Or is it funny because the second part of the phrase goes counter to the listener&#8217;s expectations?  If you have a sense of humor, the latter. </p>
<p>I mean, &#8220;Do they sell bundles with dart sets too&#8221; is being used here as an example of a comment going too far. As if using a conservative poster as a dart set is an implicit threat to impale Robert Novak with a projectile spear.</p>
<p>Come on people! Have a laugh! Even at your own expense! If you want to make a funny joke about me being a troll, go right ahead. If we lose our sense of humor we have nothing left.</p>
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		<title>By: bear1909</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/04/boingboing-vs-conservatives/comment-page-1/#comment-139644</link>
		<dc:creator>bear1909</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 18:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The President of the United States of America who freed enslaved blacks in southern states during the American Civil War was a &lt;strong&gt;Republicsn&lt;/strong&gt;.

The webmaster is in woeful need of a history lesson.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The President of the United States of America who freed enslaved blacks in southern states during the American Civil War was a <strong>Republicsn</strong>.</p>
<p>The webmaster is in woeful need of a history lesson.</p>
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		<title>By: AlohaGuy</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/04/boingboing-vs-conservatives/comment-page-1/#comment-139638</link>
		<dc:creator>AlohaGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 18:38:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Opps, &quot;kids&quot;, more than three...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Opps, &#8220;kids&#8221;, more than three&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: AlohaGuy</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/04/boingboing-vs-conservatives/comment-page-1/#comment-139637</link>
		<dc:creator>AlohaGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 18:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And, yes, I’m way too old to spend as much time as I do playing online video games … but once my wife and kids are in bed, there are still several hours available every single night … it’s so hard to resist!

&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It&#039;s Ok as long as the three of you aren&#039;t in mom&#039;s basement...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And, yes, I’m way too old to spend as much time as I do playing online video games … but once my wife and kids are in bed, there are still several hours available every single night … it’s so hard to resist!</p>
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<p>It&#8217;s Ok as long as the three of you aren&#8217;t in mom&#8217;s basement&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: jfish</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/04/boingboing-vs-conservatives/comment-page-1/#comment-139616</link>
		<dc:creator>jfish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 18:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Dakine,

No particular significance to &#039;pwned&#039;, if that&#039;s what you&#039;re asking.  As Rusty points out, it&#039;s a slip for &#039;owned&#039;, as &#039;teh&#039; is to &#039;the&#039;.  Often on online communities (multiplayer online games, for example), both &#039;teh&#039; and &#039;pwned&#039; are used widely, often where the speaker is assumed to be (or posing as) as a tween or teen.  As another poster noted earlier, &#039;teh&#039; can connote a bit of extra emphasis, and the same goes for &#039;pwned&#039; ... tends to mean &quot;I OWNED YOU!&quot; as in, &quot;I completely and utterly defeated you in that argument / online battle / or just generally in how great I am.&quot;

In other words, it tends to be slightly offensive, in that it&#039;s boastful, but it&#039;s often just good-natured ribbing as well.

And, yes, I&#039;m way too old to spend as much time as I do playing online video games ... but once my wife and kids are in bed, there are still several hours available every single night ... it&#039;s so hard to resist!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dakine,</p>
<p>No particular significance to &#8216;pwned&#8217;, if that&#8217;s what you&#8217;re asking.  As Rusty points out, it&#8217;s a slip for &#8216;owned&#8217;, as &#8216;teh&#8217; is to &#8216;the&#8217;.  Often on online communities (multiplayer online games, for example), both &#8216;teh&#8217; and &#8216;pwned&#8217; are used widely, often where the speaker is assumed to be (or posing as) as a tween or teen.  As another poster noted earlier, &#8216;teh&#8217; can connote a bit of extra emphasis, and the same goes for &#8216;pwned&#8217; &#8230; tends to mean &#8220;I OWNED YOU!&#8221; as in, &#8220;I completely and utterly defeated you in that argument / online battle / or just generally in how great I am.&#8221;</p>
<p>In other words, it tends to be slightly offensive, in that it&#8217;s boastful, but it&#8217;s often just good-natured ribbing as well.</p>
<p>And, yes, I&#8217;m way too old to spend as much time as I do playing online video games &#8230; but once my wife and kids are in bed, there are still several hours available every single night &#8230; it&#8217;s so hard to resist!</p>
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