The green glow of dhimmitude
Most of you have probably already seen this story:
New York’s iconic Empire State Building is to be lit up green from Friday in honor of the Muslim holiday of Eid, the biggest festival in the Muslim calendar marking the end of Ramadan, officials said.
“This is the first time that the Empire State Building will be illuminated for Eid, and the lighting will become an annual event in the same tradition of the yearly lightings for Christmas and Hannukah,” according to a statement.
Debbie Schlussel has a personal connection to the back story.
David Lunde offers this graphic juxtaposition:
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Related: Via Allah, read this Ayaan Hirsi Ali interview. I’ll quote her closing words:
The Western mind-set—that if we respect them, they’re going to respect us, that if we indulge and appease and condone and so on, the problem will go away—is delusional. The problem is not going to go away. Confront it, or it’s only going to get bigger.
A reader sends another relevant story: Muslims tell Christians: ‘Make peace with us or survival of world is at stake’
Yes, it’s in the Koran.
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Granite:
My point being that Jimmy Carter legalizing home brewing has as much claim (if not more) to being honored by ESB lights then Eid.
Esp. considering the kinds of stuff that they light up the ESB for these days.
FAT CHANCE!
chapoutier
agreed
Light up the ESB to pay tribute to those that want to harm you does not make any sense to me. Islam has not proven itself as A RELIGION OF PEACE.
feebiebabe:
Yet, many decent Muslims the world over still desire to immigrate to the land of the fre and the home of the brave.
I have a feeling that if my translator from my tour in Iraq (a somewhat secular Kurdish-Muslim) heard about this ESB lighting thing he (and all of his family) would probably say something like, “gee, that just shows how great a country America is, they have the ability to honor myself and my religion despite it being hijacked by the wackos that I want dead.”
Riiight… The Religion of Peace, the very same one that forbids upon pain of death a non-Muslim even stepping foot in the city of Mecca… We’ll show by our shining example to the Religion of Peace which punishes those who convert away from Islam with death… Our green beacon upon a hill will inspire them to be as tolerant as we are. Good strategy there DCDan. That’s the way to win hearts and minds.
sorry typo, Land of the Free. (not fre)
Zeroangel:
Right.
And that’s why roughly half of the Christians in Iraq have left over the past ~5 years or so?
Because there are so many folks throughout the Muslim world like that translator?
Speechless….
Who says Mutually Assured Destruction is dead?
Kevin,
It’s going to be more like self-assured destruction.
Granite:
Never said there were “so many like him,” though I’m willing to bet there are many like him in “Kurdistan.”
as DcDan said:
ANYTHING we do will be interpretted in the worst light by our enemies.
The decent people in the world will recognize the (perhaps misguided) honest spirit of the action.
In either case, I still think my above alternate lighting suggestions are better.
Yes, Osama is weeping with joy in his cave that we respect his religion, and is certainly planning his repentance.
In some other universe…
zeroangel: Where are these Muslims (like your translator) when the terrorists are hijacking their religion. I understand that not all Muslims are terrorists, but then, shouldn’t the rest be offended by the ones who are. Shouldn’t these “assimilated Muslims” in America be angry with radicals and speaking out against their actions. I know I’m not always up on current events, but it seems to me that I have not heard of very many American Muslims denouncing the actions of the terrorists and fighting to convince the American people that Islam is the Religion of Peace that they would have us believe it is.
Right on, JW2. Where is our Muslim brigade, eager to prove their fidelity to their American home?
Zeroangel:
So what’s the point of bringing up one anecdote?
We have to plan for our survival based on facts, on what is actually happening - not on what we wished were the situation, nor because of a nice person we met.
Exceptions will always be found.
I have heard of reports that some person survived a fall from an airplane without a parachute;
or, that some person fell three or four stories and survived;
or, that somebody’s aunt smoked like a chimney till she was 98, and was healthy all of that time.
Anybody out there gonna generalize from these anecdotes, and thus make policy based on those generalizations, and thus tell folks, “Don’t worry about falling out of an airplane, or falling three stories, or smoking like a chimney for decades?”
Sheesh!
Okay, while I was writing a previous comment I wanted to verify that what I thought to be true was in fact true (non-Muslims forbidden in Mecca). A few lines away in my search was this headline. I couldn’t help but laugh.
For the record, I am not doubting the “decent Muslims” out there….this is however, A HUGE DISPLAY OF CAPITULATION to those that want our heads detached from our bodies – not the moderates.
I respect their religion as far as all those who don’t want to light up our buildings like Roman Candles.
I just don’t think that we need to light up one of our only remaining “symbolic” buildings in NYC GREEN to prove that we are tolerant of others religious holidays. What a ridiculous overstatement, to the point of being mawkish.
If they want a symbol of religious tolerance and freedom they would get from America, well then I encourage them to look at the Statue of Liberty or read our Constitution.
That doesn’t mean i have to run around making a public spectacle of myself with a sign saying “I love all good Muslims,” or “Hey, look at our green tower good Muslims of the world… -we accept you”.
Give me a freakin’ break.
BJW - I never said anything about inspiring Muslims to be tolerant; I think Islam is a basically intolerant faith. However, the propaganda that gets fed to the average person living in these theocracies is that America is out to oppress them and their religion. Maybe seeing a show of respect such as this would cause them to rethink their opinions. Maybe not, who knows?
But, as I said earlier, I don’t have any faith that these people are getting the true facts about what is going on.
I wish I was an enemy of the U.S.A. All I’ld have to do is call the country racist and the sickening Libs will break their backs to give me whatever I want. Imagine the dying G.I.s of WWII hearing this as blood runs out of their eyes thinking they’re dying to save a great soverign nation of Christians. I never thought the U.S. could be this full of complete cowards. We dont’ owe ANY Muslim ANYTHING. They should be thankful we didn’t carpet bomb like we did Dresden. What’s next honoring the Japanese for bombing Pearl by blowing up our own ships to show how wrong we were for going to war with them?? This is UNBELIEVABLE. WAKE UP AMERICA, WAKE UP!!!!!!
JW2:
My translator was right alongside me nearly everytime I went outside the wire.
ALCON:
Don’t misinterpret what I say. Is this whole ESB lighting thing misguided and stupid? I think so. Is it akin to dhimmitude? I would say no.
Considering any number of goofy things warrant a lighting of the ESB (don’t they make it pink or purple for some gay pride thing?) Why not this too?
Afterall, correct me if I am wrong, the ESB is a private institution of some kind and the private citizens that own / control the lighting make their own free decisions. This isn’t the government deciding what goes and what doesn’t.
They still do (and they should rightfully) have a Christmas tree lighting in NYC every year.
What is the big deal?
I still honestly think my lighting suggestions are better than Muslim green and that alone should tell you where I stand on this.
DCDan:
Nope.
I’m very skeptical that it would be seen as a sign of resepct.
It might, however, be portayed as a sign of submission, of weakness.
Again, this is sort of like the bully being given someone’s lunch money - hell, even MORE than someone’s lunch money - before even demanding it, in the foolish hope that the bully will then respect the person being extorted.
Respect?
That type of action is the last thing the bully would respect.
The bully very well might, however, despise that action.
For you Rusty, here is this quote by Pat Condell: “I just have this natural aversion to being bullied and pushed around by bigoted misogynistic ignoramuses. And I say that with all due respect”.
Others youtube ‘Pat Condell’. Though, at times, he gets carried away, I am such a fan of his.
We minus well just light up the damn thing in YELLOW at this point!
On October 11th, 2007 at 2:41 pm, DCDan said:
“However, the propaganda that gets fed to the average person living in these theocracies is that America is out to oppress them and their religion. Maybe seeing a show of respect such as this would cause them to rethink their opinions. Maybe not, who knows?”
And where do you think these people get their news? From the aforementioned theocracy that will spin this into another story about our eventual capitulation,
On October 11th, 2007 at 2:16 pm, zeroangel said:
Sounds like a nice man. The only problem with your logic is that men like that already understand that we are a great country, and we honor those who hold our same values. To those who will be satisfied with nothing less than a world caliphate and/or complete destruction of our way of life, this will be viewed as nothing less than a step toward submission. As for me, lan astaslem.
Granite, 100% of my laughs are being generated yourself and others who think a respectful nod to a major religious holiday is tantamount to capitulation.
People deserve the ability to legitimately criticize Islam without being a called a bigot. But most of the comments here are coming from bigots.
I call em as I see em.
Can we hang a Confederate flag on the Empire State Building too? I mean if we celebrate all creeds…
lol feebiebabe, let me just add to yours..
The End.
nuff said.
Rusty:
“People deserve the ability to legitimately criticize Islam without being a called a bigot. But most of the comments here are coming from bigots.
I call em as I see em.”
Aha!
It took a while; but, finally, the name-calling has started!
Everybody, didja notice?
Mojoe - thats my point though, we can’t worry about how it might be perceived outside of this country because we have no control over the information that gets dispersed.
Zeroangel makes an interesting point though that this is a privately owned building that should be able to do what it wants in this case
Rusty,
I’m still hoping you address my comments in #49 in a well-thought out manner. We could go back and forth all day with the “you’re not taking this seriously” “yes, I am, but you’re stupid” mentality. Do you want to have a conversation? Let’s start conversing.
DCDan,
You said: “we can’t worry about how it might be perceived outside of this country”
Then who are we trying to impress? The two and a half million Muslims in the country? They are already in one of two camps… those who view us as an open and free society and are glad of it, or those who view us as infidels and want nothing but for us to submit to Allah’s will. As you say, we can’t control what others think of us, so what’s the point?
You also agree with zeroangle’s point about it being private property… and yes, I too agree that they have the right to do as they please. But that doesn’t mean that we can’t express our displeasure with the owners. It doesn’t mean that the debate about whether it’s a good idea or not is invalid. Freedom of Speech, and therefore Freeedom of Expression, are just that… you can say and do what you like. But nowhere is it written that it won’t have consequences, whether in the marketplace of business or the marketplace of ideas. I think the ESB folks have made a mistake and I told them so. I hope they hear about it from others as well.
It is a privately owned building, and should be able to do what it wants… in fact, it is able to do what it wants. That doesn’t make this lighting thing not a cowardly move. And we all have the right to feel angry over it. Also, we might not be able to control how all things are interpretted by our enemies, but we should still be careful about displays that will likely be viewed as giving in to them over fear of being labelled bigots.
Okey dokey, one second to late on my last post. Just ignore mine and look to the one above, bjwcreations says it better.
BJW - To me the flip side to this is when groups complain about nativity scenes and Christmas trees and the PC police end up winning. In those instances we (I should speak for myself I guess … ) I complain about how ridiculous it is and how far people take things. To me it is just some lights and if it makes a big enough majority in the ESB world happy to have them up there then I don’t see the problem with it. It is much better then taking down the lights for Christmas because they are not inclusive enough.
Then consider me; Intolerant
What’s next?
Mexican flag hanging at the WH or the Senate Building?
Green lights do not matter unless it turns red before you stop.
Granite, if someone talks crap about all black people, it’s not name-calling for me to point out they’re racist. Just like it’s not name-calling to call this thread incredibly bigoted.
Rusty,
Ddictionary definition - Bigot: a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.
I think you have us confused with the islamofascist.
You call us bigots because we don’t tolerate their demonstrated intolerance.
Apparently, by you, it’s ok for them to be utterly intolerant of us - bigots, but we’re the “real bigots” because we stand against their bigotry. What?!
By your watered down definition of bigotry, you’re a “bigot”, against our “bigotry” of the real bigots, the islamofascists.
Why is it ok for you to stand against our “bigotry,” but we can’t stand up to the real and blatant islamofascist bigotry.
Again, I revert to my comments earlier to you about moral relativism (#51). What do you stand for? It’s not bigotry to stand up to bigotry. Good grief.
Sorry, Strike the
dDCDan,
First of all, I want to compliment you on your argument. I don’t exactly disagree. As a Christian, the sight of the Star of David or a menorah does me no harm, and I find no offense in their display whether on public or private property.
I do however find it difficult to honor a religion with which we are at war. And yes, I realize that we are not at war with all Muslims. However, jihad has been declared upon us and, like it or not, jihad is a religious war. If the Pope declared a Crusade against the United States, I would have no choice but to oppose the Pope. It would be a difficult choice spiritually, but a choice that I wouldn’t even have to think about. My issue with the decision of the ESB folks is that it honors a religion which is not presently deserving of the honor. Perhaps if more of the peace-loving Muslims were to stand up for what’s right, I might feel that they are worth honoring. But I don’t see them. Instead, I see a handful of Muslims and ex-Muslims speaking out at the risk of their lives. The ESB is not honoring Ayaan Hirsi Ali with this display. They are honoring the people who threaten to kill her. I have a problem with that.
DCDan:
I know that it is tempting to compare this to Christmas decorations and make it seem like we are all being hypocrites, but the fact is that this is not the same thing. Perhaps if Christians were currently attacking our country with a vehement hatred and hijacking our planes it would be. But do to the nature of our country’s current conflict with Islam, the green lights are not simply about respecting religions.
Unfortunately, the radicals have taken those rights from the Muslims who do not attack this country. Furthermore, given that the peaceful Muslims must be angry with the terrorists for the picture they have painted of Islam as a whole, Muslims in this country should completely understand why this display of green lights is simply not okay.
bjwcreations, you are always one step ahead of me and more eloquent at that.
Augustine #138. Perfect.
lol JW2! Sorry, I’ll take a break for a while. What is it they say about like minds… but they never mentioned that we’d be constantly four minutes apart.
bjwcreations, No no, don’t take a break. You need to keep knocking ‘em down.
Twin Towers, Twin Towers bomb,(1993), USS Cole, Kobar Towers, Marine Barraks 1983, SUV terror in S.C., Holy land Foundation, no Churches in Saudi, Christians wear red badges…
Hey Rusty, I am not a bigot, I just do not trust Islam, or the play book they go by called the Koran. It appears you have a problem with anyone who sees Islam as the religion of death that it is.
BTW, I could care less what color anyone is who worships a false moon god, and follows Mohamed who murders, and rapes.
Its a little tricky to attack Islam because it is not just a religion. It is in fact, a political party, a judicial system, and a religion. All rolled up into one. Fun for everyone, eh!?
Therefore, by attacking the politics of Islam, many folks (RUSTY) who cannot pull their head out of the dark long enough to make that distinguishing factor – assume it is the religion that is being bashed. It is not so much the religion that frightens me but their inability to separate it from their political and judicial system…(well, that and their whole lack of tolerance and that annoying beheading the infidels thing going on….oh but that is another story).
Not our problem they don’t have any type of formal seperation of church and state. They should not be immune to criticism because of this….
I think greenfairie got it about right in comment #35. A nod to DesertLover and chapoutier as well for good points and for being two of the most consistently intelligent contributors to this blog (whether you agree or disagree with their respective points of view). Also, I gotta say that I really enjoy reading Rusty’s stuff. I’m a right of center moderate, so he’s to the left of me, but he’s consistently entertaining. Takes shots (many personal) from all angles and keeps commenting away, while staying generally civil and rational. Echo chambers and circle jerks are boring. Now my question:
Some of you have come right out and said it, while others of you have kind of danced around it (including Michelle here and on TV). If you disagree, say so, but I’m under the assumption that most of you consider us not to be just at war with AQ or simply engaged in a GWOT, but rather consider the US to be at war with Islam itself. Making such assumption, here’s my question (and I ask it sincerely…I’m of the AP school of thought regarding religion, so I have no great affection for Islam): If the Constitution was not a barrier, what actions would you take in a “War on Islam” in order to prevail in such a struggle? How far would you go?
It might be a good idea to check out the significance of eid to the muslims.
http://www.vigilantfreedom.org/910blog/2007/10/11/the-meaning-of-ramadan/
#148 - sometimes i really find you smug.
BJW (and JW2 four minutes later) -
To quote, well, you, I dont exactly disagree with you either. It is very telling to me that the people that are constantly jumping up and down saying that Islam is a religion of peace are in fact, not Muslims. If their leadership would only step up and be more vocal and active in criticizing acts of terrorism it would make a strong statement; instead we have groups like CAIR who could care less. Much like with the NAACP, discord is what stirs people up and brings in the $$.
But in the end, we do disagree. Given the reality of society right now I would much rather be more inclusive then create a situation that gets more attention then it deserves. Imagine the press and the reaction if the ESB powers that be had denied this request for the reasons you have given. I realize this could be called appeasement, but this is a battle that to me is not worth fighting
Calamityville #143:
My sentiments exactly!
Augustine #138: Very well stated; and, thank you!!!
I suppose if we’re bigots because we stand against the real bigots;
then, someone who defends himself against attack, whether with fists, or with bullets; is a troublemaker, or a warmonger.
(As Churchill himself was repeatedly termed, ridiculed, dismissed, and denigrated in the run-up to Sept. 1, 1939.)
Why do they hate us? is an altogether too frequently heard question since 9/11.
Frankly, my dear (apologies to Rhett), I couldn’t give a flying @%*# why they hate us.
We’ve created more jihadists and terrorists because of our military action, goes one line of foolish, pathetic “reasoning”.
Oh no, Horrors! The jihadists are enraged because we’re fighting back!
Well, sure, the bully is gonna get teed off if you refuse to turn over your lunch money; and, instead, bloody his nose and knock him on his posterior.
Again, anyone to whom this has to be explained, will never understand….
Feebiebabe said:
Ha, you nailed it babe, that is what I am talkin ’bout. Please add “tribal faction” to your description. What the world calls islam today was perfect in those barbaric, nomadic and tribal days.
But not today.
They should have the guts and moral fortitude to say what was right that day is wrong today.
They need to evolve because evolution is a inherent trait of humanity.
Till then no green lights please.
Dakine you are partially right. The western world is at war with islam and has been for hundreds of years. Since I don’t anticipate islam to relent this war will go on until one side is defeated. Guess the side I am on. As for your question, I would outlaw islam in this country. They don’t tolerate us why should we tolerate them?
Excellent points in your entire comment, but I would add that it’s not so much an inability to seperate the religion from the political and judicial systems… the faith was founded with these aspects intertwined. If one were to read the Koran, you are immediately struck by the fact that it reads more like The Communist Manifesto or Mein Kampf as opposed to the New or Old Testaments (with the exception of perhaps the book of Leviticus and part of Deuteronomy).
It served it’s purpose in bringing a civilization to a tribal society, and it served to make them strong. But the rules and regs now serve to hold them back. Islam has stagnated because they view 80% of the world as sub-human. That doesn’t work so well in the modern world.
#155 - I can agree with that.
#149 - SueK. What a bunch of whack jobs!
Ha! you nailed it babe, that is what I am talkin ’bout. Please add “tribal faction” to your description. What the world calls islam today was perfect in those barbaric, nomadic and tribal days. But not today.
The so called moderate muslims should have the guts and moral fortitude to say what was right then is wrong today.
They need to evolve because evolution is a inherent trait of humanity.
Till then no green lights please.
DCDan,
As you say, we’ll probably have to agree to disagree. I don’t see “the lights” as a battle worth fighting, but it was worthy of a letter. So I did.
Lots of back and forth here.
Maybe I can lay it out like this:
Was I happy to hear they want to honor Eid by lighting the ESB green? No.
Am I outraged and worried that our enemies will take this as a sign of capitulation? No, and I don’t really care what they think.
Do I like them lighting up the ESB pink in honor of proud gays? Nope.
Do I worry that it will send the wrong message of passive acceptance to gays and I’ll have to deal with one extra flaming gay guy at the office? No, and there are no flaming gays at my office.
I think it might be nice if they hung a big banner on the ESB that says, in both Arabic and English, (in honor of Eid and American-Muslims) “God Bless the USA.” *smile*
Wonder how well that would go over…
dakine:
I would like to take the step that some political figures in Australia have taken and tell Muslims in the U.S. that they are welcome here but that their religious laws DO NOT override the laws of this country. If they want to have a country which has Sharia law, then America is simply not for them and they need to choose a country which offers the laws by which they choose to live.
Dakine:
I don’t really see the Constitution as a “barrier.”
Perhaps the liberal judges misinterpretting the Constitution could be seen as a barrier.
In any case, I am on board with JW2 in #161.
I’m with JW2 also but I wouldnt want to be accused of being part of a circle jerk by Dr. Phil #148
LMAO - AJ, good one.
There should be no doubt left in anyones mind that its the tribal society version of Islam that we should realize is stalking and predating us.
“Confront it, or it’s only going to get bigger.”
This is the tribal society way and has been for a very, very long time.
If your enemy (or your neighbor) is weak, its OK to attack and take what they have.
This is interesting. To be honest, and I have stated this here before, I would favor re-writing the 1st ammendment to prohibit the practice of any religion that states as one of its objectives, replacing our constitution with its religious tenets. I don’t expect that to happen because no one in authority has the cajones to even discuss that.
I have read several accounts where Islamic leaders have stated exactly that. Therefore, let them take their murderous religion back to the middle east.
Can anyone name one democratic country where Islam co-exists peacefully. I can’t. Everywhere Islam bumps up against western civilization, there is tension and that includes the USA. We need to infiltrate and monitor the mosques here. If we did that, the true intentions of Islam would become public and maybe Americans would finally wake up. If not, we’re in serious trouble.
With at least 25 % of Muslims in the US under 30 supporting homicide bombings, to celebrate the “religion” that drives and endorses such acts is utter suicidal insanity.
Or a “religion” that endorses and prescribes violence againt American citizens.
Um, actually, no. It means “ignoring a problem doesn’t make it go away”. But it was a good effort to make the argument that it’s all about the oil.
Wow, feebie called me smug and ajmontana (still smarting from the Sox sweep I’m sure) called me Dr. Phil. I’m a lawyer, so smug’s probably about right, but Dr. Phil? That one hurts, I’m not going to lie.
Rusty, Chaputier,
I’ll ask again - why not a Confederate flag? I assume you both would be against it, maybe I’m wrong. If you are against it - why? If you are against it, wouldn’t that make you intolerant (and a bigot)?
Sure, it has nothing to do with religion, but Islam the religion seems unable to separate itself from Islam the female-servitude, infidel-beheading “clan”.
Don’t lie dakine - lawyers don’t have feelings…
I’ve made some celebratory swag to send your dhimmicratic pals from the city that never stops submitting…
Hell… why not just who whole hog for Eid and celebrate with submissive swag! Five fatwa-retarding designs!
* New York City - Islamic
* Eid in New York City
* New York Submits to Islam
* Eid Loves New York - S.O.L.
* Eid Loves New York
Hey, New Yawkers… go ass-up in style!
Sorry to some of you folks but the old adage “Kill’em with kindnesss” only worked in grade school. When you are dealing with head-choppers, it is their way or the highway.
Uhhh…the only opinion I have expressed on this thread is that not all terrorists are Muslim. Hardly controversial. I think I will respectfully decline comment on the substance of this one. I am getting into enough trouble in the Columbia/Noose thread.
And lawyers do too have feelings. Like, right now I feel like a scotch.
Who’s paying for the Carbon Offets for all the energy used to light up one of the world’s tallest
targetsbuildings? Is this a contradiction? Green lights for a greenThat’s a myth AlohaGuy…we’re crying on the inside most of the time. Where do you live in Hawaii by the way? I spent most of my middle school and high school years there when my dad was stationed at Pearl. Went to Punahou HS.
…leaning party?
dakine,
You too? I was thinking about asking AlohaGuy the same question. I was at Wheeler from 5th to 7th grade in the mid-70s. Dad was in the Navy at Wahiawa (sp?). We actually lived in Navy housing on the Air Force base.
While the ESB is privately owned, it is also a major part of this country and it represents so many good and powerful things about this country, and thus it is also owned by it’s citizens as well.
I fail to see the need to honor a religion or the people that follow it while they are marching in the streets by the hundreds of thousands with “Death to America” banners, burning American flags and our leaders in effigy. I fail to see why we must honor a religion that has declared war on us and has been actively trying to overthrow and destroy this country since the forming of the Muslim Brotherhood at the beginning of the 20th century. I fail to see why we must show support for and honor in any way a religion that has stated that they will not cease until the flag of Islam is flying from the White house and every person in this country is either Muslim, paying the Jizya tax or dead. I fail to see why we must honor a religion that is responsible for every war and crisis currently going on in the world right now, and while the couple of million practicing members in this country sit on their hands and refuse to march, protest or even speak up againt the supposed “minority” of supposed people that have “hijacked” their religion, even though this “minority” is represented by tens of thousands noted above doing those things that I listed.
At a time when Nativity scenes, Christmas plays and carols and other forms of Christianity in this country, a country founded on Judeo/Christian beliefs and followers, is daily trampled on and threatened, I fail to see any reason at all that I should feel anything but repulsed by any showing of honor to a religion that has the world held hostage and in a state of fear and war.
Call me a bigot, Islamophobic or whatever the Liberal hate word of the day is, i don’t really care. The facts are the facts and until they change their ways, the last thing we should do is show any form of honor or acceptance what-so-ever publicly or otherwise.
#66 Dakine:
I make that at least a half dozen times you have announced that you are a lawyer.
What’s the point? It gives you zero extra credibility and the fact that you announce it so often makes me doubt you are even in the legal profession - except perhaps working in some law firm’s mail room.
Nobody cares you’re a lawyer. And in fact, some of your comments are an embarrassment to the legal profession so illogical and counterintuitive they are.
Stick to the subject matter and leave your profession at the comment room door.
To Rick Moran:
Does being a Christian gain you extra credibility on this site? Because I see posters throwing that around all the time, when it is not remotely relevant, with nary an admonition.
Seriously, with the number of Bible quotes posted here one wonders if this is a religious site or a political one.
#182
Seriously, with the number of Bible quotes posted here one wonders if this is a religious site or a political one.
That’s a gross exaggeration and you know it. Get real.
As for extra credibility for someone who announces what faith they are, I could care less. For me personally, it does nothing and in some cases actually lessens their credibility in my eyes.
My point about the lawyer was simple; he has been making a habit of including that information in many of his posts - even when the subject matter has nothing whatsoever to do with legal issues.
At least the Christians tend to proclaim their faith when making a comment about faith.
Exactly my point, why not the crackdown on that then?
Christians do not posit it in an attempt to impress anyone, unlike those who claim to be Perry Mason, a Great Brain Surgeon, etc.
“Crackdown” on Christians, lol. Obviously a student of Nero.
Who’s being naive, Kay? You don’t think posters here throw around their religion in an attempt to earn “Christ cred?”
Oh and I don’t think you know what “posit” means, but whatever.
You are right about one thing. The concept of a “crackdown” on christians in a country where 75% of the people identify themselves as such is absurd. So grow the hell up and stop acting like a Chicken Little and seeing every damn thing that is slightly offensive to your delicate sensibilities (like a friggin green light on a building) as the end of Western culture as we know it.
Now you have gotten me worked up. Now I must drink.
Oh, wait. Why don’t they light up the WTC? Oh, sorry. I guess someone forgot 9/11…
For those of you who think this is no problem because it is done the same for Jews & Christians, I don’t remember any documented polls that stated 25% of “American” Jews & Christians supported violent jihad attacks against America. I do recall vividly that %25% of “American” muslims so no problem with it. Not the same Rusty and all those who see no problem with this PC gesture.
dakine, you and Obama! I can see it from the house.
chapoutier, I think I incorrectly named you. Sorry.
My post about the confederate flag is not to re-fight the civil war. Suppose a large number of people, most of them nice, peace-loving individuals belonged to a group that espoused domination of others (race/gender) and many were willing to kill and be killed for their beliefs (Gettysberg/Twin Towers). Unhappy with both the killing and the beliefs of those people (domination of blacks/women), in the one case liberals are all over those who wish to fly the confederate flag, yet some have shown up here and said that those unhappy with the ESB are bigots.
“Christians do not posit it in an attempt to impress anyone”
Since you have no idea who you’re addressing, LOL, it’s to be expected you likewise have no idea what you’re talking about here:
You are funny, even though I’m sure it’s unintentionial humor. Somehow positing that one is a sinner in need of a Savior just doesn’t get the wild adulation that it does in your world.
“Christ cred”, heh, I don’t know that Jesus goes over comment threads looking to bestow “cred” on commenters.
And here:
You make me giggle - thanks. But to assist, enlighten and educate you; “to lay down or assume as a fact or principle”.
And debating your own demand here:
Then why were you complaining that it’s not being done?
And here, more wild emotionalism:
(Such rantings speak for themselves.)
An appeal for Hal Jordan to morph into the Green Lantern:
You can decorate your basement room with as many green lights as you want. You’ll have to pay for them - and such accoutrements as prayer rugs & foot baths - outta your own pocket though.
This explains a lot:
Not to worry, most of us figured you to already be cranky drunk from the gitgo.
Good luck on finding Kay when/if you’re sober.
Re #186:
Debating whether it’s worth commenting upon - well, here goes:
“Oh and I don’t think you know what “posit” means, but whatever.”
The example this post is referring to looks like a correct use of the word to me.
One meaning of posit is to place, put, or set.
Regardless, the tone of the remark , “…I don’t think you know what ‘posit’ means…” was not warranted.
“…but, whatever.”
Sure looks/sounds like a bomb was thrown, and then walked away from.
What, “…but, whatever.” unrings the bell?
“The concept of a “crackdown” on christians in a country where 75% of the people identify themselves as such is absurd. So grow the hell up and stop acting like a Chicken Little and seeing every damn thing that is slightly offensive to your delicate sensibilities (like a friggin green light on a building) as the end of Western culture as we know it.”
And this sure sounds like the scornful and derisive minimizing and dismissing of another’s concerns.
I wonder if anyone else senses a commonly used “debate” technique here, one that not a few TV pundits and talking heads employ.
OT-
Dakine,
Just for the record, I’m not one whom is a FanAtic or get consumed by sports win or lose. So if you think you’re hurting me in some way with the Angel jabs, it’s not working. sorry.
I Leatherneck, the Greatest of All Barbaric Christian Infidels will toast the EID with cold beer, and hot pork skins.
Should get some cred from Jesus for that bunch of love.
ROPMA
“Who’s being naive Kay”
The Godfather. Pretty good movie. Check it out sometime.
Ahhh, I see. I’ve maybe watched five minutes of the movie, crime films aren’t my cuppa tea. The genre bores me to tears. Unless it’s one of the Golden Era classics like “The Maltese Falcon”, which is actually more of a detective story than a crime film. Also, once you go outside of the 70s there’s only a handful of films I enjoy. (Though Godfather was ‘74 or ‘75 if memory serves.)
None of this is surprising. Infact, look for more appeasement, as long as Bush is in the white house. This is the price Amweicans arepaying for:
- Electing Bush.
- Not impeaching him.
Not for nothing is the saying “Fish rots in the head first”. Point being, if the head (white house) starts rotting, the fish (in this case, the nation) starts rotting. Think about it. And for the record, am not a democrat.
Don’t think the idea of appeasement is strickly Bush’s idea so lets ask the two obvious questions;
So how many terrorist attacks occured against the United States under comrade Clinton?
With so many democrats, and the Clinton white house saying sadam hussein had WMD and that a regime change is needed-Why didn’t they do something militarly other than bombing a pharmacutical factory?
Just asking……….
GSP
Oh thats right they were attacking a religious compound in Waco, TX, sending a little boy from his relatives back to Cuba (and the land of “free” health care), forcing “don’t-don’t tell-don’t pursue” down the throats of our military (and you folks thought the folsum fair brought to you by Miller was big news) and commiting more crimes than the American public will ever know.
Thank you sir, may I have another? Rick, I can handle being taken to the woodshed, no problem. Insults, that’s okay too. But, seriously, did you have to call me out on the whole mailroom thing? I was hoping to keep that one under wraps for a while longer.
chapoutier, please carry on, and hopefully you will restore some measure of honor to the profession I have so shamefully embarrassed.
Seems like a case of bad timing to me. Couldn’t we have done this after the War on Terror is over?