The green glow of dhimmitude
Most of you have probably already seen this story:
New York’s iconic Empire State Building is to be lit up green from Friday in honor of the Muslim holiday of Eid, the biggest festival in the Muslim calendar marking the end of Ramadan, officials said.
“This is the first time that the Empire State Building will be illuminated for Eid, and the lighting will become an annual event in the same tradition of the yearly lightings for Christmas and Hannukah,” according to a statement.
Debbie Schlussel has a personal connection to the back story.
David Lunde offers this graphic juxtaposition:
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Related: Via Allah, read this Ayaan Hirsi Ali interview. I’ll quote her closing words:
The Western mind-set—that if we respect them, they’re going to respect us, that if we indulge and appease and condone and so on, the problem will go away—is delusional. The problem is not going to go away. Confront it, or it’s only going to get bigger.
A reader sends another relevant story: Muslims tell Christians: ‘Make peace with us or survival of world is at stake’
Yes, it’s in the Koran.
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Why push more religion? Especially the “Religion of Peace” on a city (and nation) that has seen the worst of it.
Very poor taste.
You have got to be s___ing me!!!
what next, having foot baths and redesigning empire state loos not facing the “unholy” holy direction. I cannot even for a second try comprehend as to why people would pander to such crazy ideas and people.
As disgusting that is, the bigger outrage, is that the Twin Towers are not being rebuilt. That monstrous Freedom Tower is being jammed down our throats. I guess because the Twin Towers offended Muslims.
Rebuild the Twin Towers!
The wife and I have been fuming over this for a couple of days.
Un-blanking-believable.
They do the same thing for Christian and Jewish holidays. It doesn’t harm anyone. I have a problem with Islamic extremism too, but being angry about the mere acknowledgment of a major religion is bigotry, pure and simple.
As much as I abhor islam, I’m not sure this is dhimmitude or just an effort at inclusiveness. Did any muslim group ask for this? Did any demand it? And since they do it for Christmas and Hannukah I don’t see a problem.
Although lighting it up in orange for the Wiccans on halloween seems reasonable too.
I’m not sure what holidays the Buddists, Hindus, Druids etc celebrate, but they should be accomodated also.
Although if CAIR (or any other muslim group) demanded it, then Hell no.
It’s okay to acknowledge major religions; but any religion that doesn’t tolerate critisism; encourages bigotry; and issues death warrants for writing the truth (or illustrating it in cartoons) doesn’t qualify, in my book.
#8
“Hell to th’ NO”!
*Madea
Well, I think I am on board with Rusty and walterc here.
This doesn’t seem to be a case of dhimmitude, but just political correctness.
Now, if they decided to light the Empire State Building green because a Muslim wacko threatened to blow it up if they didn’t, I would say that’s different.
I guess one could pose the question when does “inclusiveness” and “political correctness” just get plain stupid? Most New Yorkers are Christian and many are Jewish so lighting up the Empire State building for Christmas and Hannukah makes sense. I guess there are plenty of decent Muslim New Yorkers to warrant lighting the Empire State Building for Eid.
Lighting it up for the Druids seems a bit excessive.
A friend in college once said to me, “The Wiccan religion is Dungeons and Dragons for girls.” I really got a kick out of that. *smile*
We can’t put “God” on a certificate from the Capitol, but we can light up the Empire State Building in the name of Allah. This has to stop!
Rusty, what exactly is your problem with Islamic extremism? I honestly would love to hear it.
As an aside, It must be so nice to be able to sit upon your proverbial high horse and reduce our outrage to being angry about
“the mere acknowledgment of a major religion.” If that’s what you think the people here are outraged about, there is simply no hope for you.
OT-
Michelle, were there just two parts with Diana West or did I miss one somewhere?
Outrageous.
Malkin Fan, my sentiments exactly…
Welcome to New York….the land of high taxes and insanity.
how apropos…
I’m interested in knowing what Rudy thinks of this one and the rest of the candidates.
Rusty, you have absolutely hit the nail on the head. I don’t understand why this should cause any worry or anger.
kcluva
They should not only rebuild the twin towers they should add a 3rd tower in honor of the people who lost their lives in the attack … an in your face symbolism for the terrorists to have to deal with as the pictures of the towers are spread around the world …
More idiocy … I too would like to know where this whole thought of lighitng up the ES Bldg for Ramadan came from …
zeroangel
I can’t agree with you on this … I am all “PC’d” out … I am sick of it … to me “PC” = Pure Crap … just another cop out to standing up for America
I sent the following to the public relations folks at the Empire State Building:
Sausage, Rusty and les(if you are out there) here are several reasons why the sane folks here are outraged:
9/11, WoT, Footbaths, lawsuits against US citizens for telling authorities about alarming behavior on airplanes by Imams, CAIR, Debbie Al Montaser, The Goose Creek two, Ahmadinejad, UBL (OBL) and did I mention CAIR?…and the list goes on and on.
You can go through life with blinders on but as for the rest of us…well I think you already know. We’ll be the ones wearing these: http://michellemalkin.com/2006/09/11/911-pledge-i-will-not-submit/
There are millions of American Muslims. Sorry to disappoint you, but they’re as American as you or I.
I also sent an email to them and suggested that if they are still going to go through with this they use a neutral color like white, instead of Hamas Green.
Rusty and sausage … never ceases to amaze me that the left has not the least shred of understanding of the fact that all this sort of thing does is give the terrorists another batch of ammunition for their propaganda machine …
Hey Rusty and Sausage - You guys are gonna love the memorial dedicated to the terrorists in Shanksville PA
Rusty, you troll, they are not ‘as American as you or I’, they are the fifth column, hell bent on replacing our democratic government with the intolerant totalitarian death cult known as Islam. Wake up.
Rusty … I am well aware of the fact that there are American Muslims … I know quite a few that are “assimilated” into the American way of life … they are proud to live in this country and they abide by our laws and respect the rights of others personally and religiously …
I simply find it hard to believe that in these times someone would be stupid enough to make a show of submission to those that are trying to kill every single one of us … and that is the way they will portray it to the rest of the non-American muslims in this world … not as proof of our tolerance of religion … but as submission to them …
Michelle, thanks for posting this. I had not seen this story. I really find this hard to believe in many ways but at the same time, I’m not at all surprised, if that makes sense.
Bjwcreations, I like the letter you sent to them. Let us know if you hear anything back.
LOL.
I have to agree with Rusty I don’t think it’s that big of a deal. If the city decided not to light up the Empire State Building for Christmas in some attempt at appeasement to other groups we would be all over them saying how this is another example of political correctness run wild. We can’t have it both ways.
Put the crack pipe away.
If they’re going to light up the Empire State Building green, they could at least do it for St. Patrick’s Day!
As for this so-called holiday, I’ll allow muslim holidays in my country when they put up a synagogue in Mecca.
Christmas is part of American culture, whether or not you are religious (or Christian for that matter). Ditto for Halloween or Thanksgiving. Given that, as Schlussel’s post pointed out, New York is the city with the world’s largest Jewish population, it might even make sense to have special lights on Chanukah (though it is indeed a minor holiday compared with Passover or the High Holy Days).
But this is pure, good old-fashioned PC pandering. CAIR and its cronies are using liberal guilt to inflate their brand of Islam’s prominence in this country.
It bears noting that on Feb. 23, 1997, one Ali Hassan Abu Kamal shot seven tourists on the 86th-floor observation deck of the Empire State Building, one fatally. According to an AP dispatch at the time, “He carried a note blaming the United States for using Israel as ‘an instrument’ against his people. The note found in Ali Hassan Abu Kamal’s pocket contains ‘rambling, angry stuff,’ and appears to contradict claims by the man’s family that the shooting had nothing to do with politics, a high-ranking police source said last night. The letter also expressed anger at France and England for using Israel as ‘an instrument’ against Palestinians, and indicated that Mr. Abu Kamal planned to vent his anger at the Empire State Building, the source said.’”
Perhaps, to commemorate the innocent blood shed there at the impetus of jihad, the lighting on the Empire State Building should be red instead of green.
#24-”There are millions of American Muslims. Sorry to disappoint you, but they’re as American as you or I.”
And that is known how?
In the face of all the evidence that comment #23 referenced;
in the face of polls (sorry, I don’t have the literature citations) that show substantial numbers of Muslims would like to see Sharia law imposed upon America;
in the face of the weak, few and far between, and carefully worded “denunciations” of Jihadists by Muslim organizations…;
in the face of all this (and doubtless much, much more), we are supposed to accept the statement in #24 as a fact, essentially as enough to prove a negative?
Please….
As the saying goes, that statement, and
a dollar (or whatever price one pays), will buy one a cup of coffee.
This lighting of the Empire State Building is nothing more than pre-emptive dhimmitude…
giving the bully one’s lunch money even before he demands it…
or, to paraphrase Churchill, feeding the crocodile in the hope that he will eat you last.
Greenfairie, clearly the use of the word “green” in your online handle proves that you too are a typical “dhimmicrat” celebrating Eid.
How dare you, in America!, use the color green instead of the approved colors of red, white, and/or blue.
Political correctness in these threads has run amok.
I WILL NOT SUBMIT!
Rusty, you continue to confuse me. Where did anyone say that is was the “mere acknowledgment of a major religion” that was angering people here. Speaking for myself, the anger stems from two things. 1. That this country feels the need to pander to every group, religion, etc. out of what seems to be fear of being called bigoted (you fulfilled that fear in your post.) 2. That a religion that contains terrorists who actively seek to undermine and destroy America gets the same recognition that is given to Christianity and Judaism - religions that have deep roots here and are not blowing us up. Before I get attacked, yes, I know that not all muslims are terrorists. Nonetheless, that does not change the fact that the terrorists that kill our soldiers, attacked our country, and blow up their own children are doing so in the name of Islam.
For those of you who have not read the linked article by Debbie Schlussel, do. This comment in particular struck me.
All that said - Rusty: I do appreciate your presence here, because one-sided conversations where everyone is in agreement do not serve to advance society much.
AJ - MY EXACT EXPRESSION WHEN I SAW THIS.
They will probably use the lights as a beacon to fly another plane into our city.
It’s like a dog peeing on it’s turf.
This makes me sick.
We need to find someone in NYC that can project a blindingly bright image of the American Flag (drowning out the Mr. Yuck green) on one side of the building…
Can it be done?
What are the colors of Buddhism and Scientology?
Welcome to MexiRama, home of the former US of A.
30 pcs of silver #23, every nationality, religion, race, whatever has its fair share of good and bad people. So what’s your background? I’m sure at some point in history it was deemed as suspect and undesirable. Over time your forefathers became assimilated into society and you became the American that you are. Like it or not, America is a melting pot and we’re not one homogeneous people. Are you saying that all Muslims are bad and want to kill us? So why is shining a colored light on top of a building such a big deal, is it going to hurt anyone? I say light it up for Muslims, St Patrick’s Day, Christmas, St Joseph Day, Kwanza, Passover, Easter, Pulaski Day, whatever. What skin is it off your nose? We as a nation have a lot more serious issues we should be focusing on rather than a stupid light whatever the color.
I am offended.
ACLU????????? where are U?
les, just a little history lesson for ya.
This country was founded on CHRISTIAN principles, not Muslim, Hindu, Cows, Mother Earth, etc.
Maybe we do NOT want to change it to suit others.
Rusty, I know you LOL’d at st_james when he went “all conspiracy” on you, but you might want to ask yourself, in an honest moment of reflection, why has Islam attacked us.
Yes, we had infidel soldiers on holy land (never mind that we were invited to Saudi Arabia; and never mind that none of the Muslim lands were Muslim lands until conquered with the exception of Turkey which converted after having repulsed the Muslim advance).
But why then have we been at war with Muslims since almost the founding of our nation? Since before we had a foreign presence anywhere but North America?
Consider, in that quiet moment, these words of Christopher Hitchens when speaking of Thomas Jefferson:
So, think about what it would take today for us to live in peace with the radical Islamist who wishes to return to that viewpoint of the world. In your quiet moment of reflection, come up with a diplomatic strategy that would work, and ask yourself whether appeasment will feed the beast or make him hungry for more. Then tell me whether you think the lights on the Empire State Building are a minor issue.
It’s akin to hanging a red and white flag with a black swaztika on Hitler’s Birthday in 1940.
Funny that this comes on the heels of Muslim clerics writing to the Pope and other Christian leaders for what will be called “ecumenical dialogue”. Click here for the letter.
I know they are not connected, but the timing is ironic.
I believe the letter to the Pope and other Christian leaders is a veiled request for conversion. We’ll see.
Feebiebabe #40. - I thought the same thing.
Rusty & sausage - I can assume that you are proponents of moral relativism, which is not actually a tenable philosophy…”there are absolutely no absolutes.” Assuming such is the only way I can make sense of your indifference (not just on this thread, but others as well).
I find it interesting that this wouldn’t have even been considered before 9/11. Why is this happening now? It’s because Americans have become weak and will go out of their way to do things like this to prove that they are not racist. We’re not losing the war on terror on the battlefield. We’re losing it socially. Political correctness has to end.
um… #41… they do that, you know…
What I hate is when they poop on my lawn!
bjwcreations
FYI and just in case you or others are not aware of it the action that was taken in response to that particular meeting in London is where the line “To the shores of Tripoli” comes from in the Marine Corps Hymn …
bjwcreations:
Exactly!
Very well stated.
#42 nbarry asked about the color of buddhism…
kind of a fun article here about it if anyone’s interested…
http://www.religionfacts.com/buddhism/symbols/color.htm
not for nothin’, but are they using the same green on the Empire State as they do on St. Pat’s Day i wonder?
“They’re always after me lucky charms!”
OT-
dl, left a message for ya at friends….
A lot of this discussion reminds me of a blog “debate” I had engaged in a few years ago with a self-described
“international lawyer” (that should tell one something) from Ireland.
I was making the argument that our domestic leftists and socialists here in the States are at least as great a threat, if not a greater threat, to our culture and society, as are the Jihadist babrbarians against whom we struggle.
He more or less laughed it off… thought it was amusing that I could possibly think that way, and wondered what I was worried about.
This (the international lawyer’s) type of argument and worldview sound familiar to anyone?
Gayle #46, I spent my entire schooling is Christian schools. Isn’t one of the tenants of Christianity that you should love your neighbor as yourself? I bet you call yourself a Christian. We may have been founded on Christian principles, but American does not have an official religion. And like it or not, there are Americans of all races, religions, nationalities and creeds. Sounds like you want to ship anyone who is not a “true” American as you define it, back to where they came from. If so, what makes you any different from all those leaders past and present that we as a free people despise?
This is like most of the Muslim cultural invasions such as the public foot baths I use as low boy urinals. I see this as a monolithic representation of Allah’s Johnson. For a sect that has done little to nothing for the good of this nation I find the tributes given them/Muslims very much Sharia and just fine for a city as whacko as New York (publicly financed Muslim sect schools are just part of their diversity). You go Rudy and is the governor of New York not a fine example of stupid.
Les, I cannot reason with you. You and I are not operating from the same premises. I love America and its diversity. However, I will not love America’s diversity to the extent where I believe we are actually doing more harm than good.
It’s a stupid light, a stupid footbath, a stupid dictator, yeah, let him come here and speak. He’ll see our diversity and we’ll be the bestest of friends. You can take that and shove it.
As for my past, well that’s none of your business.
les,
I love all Muslims as if they were Christians. It really ticks them off, too.
bjwcreations - well put. I am often impressed by the way the commenters on this site express themselves and I would be proud to have the same clarity with which you made your point in #47.
This will not be an annual event, wherein we get see the building all decked out in pee green at the same time every year. Ramadan comes at a different time every year, due to the islamic calender being a lunar calender (which is fitting for the religion of lunacy).
Eventually Ramadan will arrive during the 4th of July, and we’ll be treated to the prime landmark of New York City celebrating the killers of 3,000 of it’s citizens, when the rest of the nation will be celebrating the birthday of the United States.
Now, isn’t that special!
LOL. I laughed so hard I pee’d!
Tigger, you funny.
feebiebabe…tmi…
lol tony,
OK Then, they be poopin on our lawn.
Oh Les,
Yes, I am a Christian. I will defend Christianity over any other religion.
I do not care what faith others follow, just do not shove it down my throat that it’s ok to be loyal to Muslims.
I believe it sends the wrong message to AQ if you catch my drift.
You must be very young.
les
The outrage isn’t so much that Islam is being acknowledged as it is that Christianity is being demonized and dismissed. Everywhere you turn there is someone wanting to take God out of something whether it be the Ten Commandments in a courthouse, the Nativity scene from a public square or the Pledge of Allegiance from our schools.
Again,
This PC “Bullcrap” is going to get us all killed.
aj … OT … replied to you at Friends
Tolerance of other religions is the hallmark of the United States - BUT, a religion that promotes thuggery, killing, intolerance, death? Oh yes - there are millions of muslims who are not terrorists, but silent they are aren’t they - to condemn those who are. That’s what I hear over and over! “WE are a peace loving religion”. Prove it! Where are those millions? When are those millions of peace loving muslims going stand up and demand an end to the murder and bullying? When? All terrorists have been muslim!
Good Lord! The world is going to hell-in-a-handbasket….
gregorystephens (#69)
That is a good point (and a long and exhausting topic itself) as disgustingly proven in the article on FoxNews.com today about a young man who was not allowed to use the dirty G-word (God) in a U.S. Capitol flag certificate for his gradnfather.
Wait - they light up the building for Hanukkah too???
The outrage! Oh wait, that’s okay….
Gayle - I don’t think green lights on a building one day of the year is shoving islam “down our throats”. People here are becoming as bad as the PC police that want to take religion out of Christmas. All it is is green lights, it’s not a big deal
prislamia said: #73
Exactamundo!
Following up on my earlier comment:
#77-”On October 11th, 2007 at 1:33 pm, DCDan said:
Gayle - I don’t think green lights on a building one day of the year is shoving islam “down our throats”. People here are becoming as bad as the PC police that want to take religion out of Christmas. All it is is green lights, it’s not a big deal”
Salami tactics…salami tactics….
Dan, your point is NOT the point.
More islam creep and the idiot dems don’t care. I believe they would sell out this country to defeat the right. The religion of peace will not stop until they rule the world. We will be needing a Charles Martel soon.
Granite - I actually agree with your previous post, the leftists and socialists (I’m taking to you Hillary) are a greater threat to our culture then outside forces. At the rate we are going we will implode from within.
I still think it’s just a bunch of lights.
Hmmm… good points all around, I feel the need to perhaps rethink or clarify my position.
Do I think this is dhimmitude? No.
As I said earlier:
I guess one could pose the question when does “inclusiveness” and “political correctness” just get plain stupid?
and
I guess there are plenty of decent Muslim New Yorkers to warrant lighting the Empire State Building for Eid.
That said, DesertLover, you might have a point, this might be a case of PCness just getting plain stupid.
Allow me to make a few reccomendations for alternate lighting plans for the dates Oct 12-14:
Oct 12: Red/White/Blue, in honor of the sailors that lost thier lives during the bombing of the USS Cole (2000).
Oct 13: Blue/Gold, in honor of the birth of the US Navy, (1775).
Oct 14: Gold, Jimmy Carter signs bill legalizing home brewing of beer for the first time since Prohibition (1978). *smile*
or
Oct 14: *any ideas for colors welcome* President Ronald Reagan proclaims a War on Drugs (1982).
When Arabs light their buildings for Christmas and Hannukah then I’ll be willing to discuss this.
Until then…
Gayle - I have no idea what that means
How bout just Red White and Blue all the time! This is America for crying out loud!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Geezzzzzzzzz
Just wait till somebody comes up with the idea of projecting a hologram of the WTC to commemorate the holiday of the religious nut-jobs that attacked us. I might support it if the hologram drips red…
Ummm….IRA, ETA, Weathermen, McVeigh, SLA Army of God….
Surely you did not mean what you wrote.
Calamityville-
I believe you are correct.
Unfortunately, we’ll most likely have to experience more than one Battle of Tours (or Battle of Poitiers, if you prefer), and Battle (Siege) of Vienna.
I hope we get more than one Charles Martel, and Churchill, and Prinz Eugen, ansd King John (Jan) Sobieski.
The Constitution guarantees freedom of religion not, as the Supreme Court has said, freedom from religion. Light up the Empire State building all you want for Islam but stop the oppression of Christians. Religion should be fully exposed in the public square not politically manipulated by the government.
As far as I am concerned, Islam is a cancer. It is responsible for the overwhelming majority of modern conflicts around the world. I cannot respect it in any way, but if we are going to have freedom of religion in the public square then it must be for all.
We have to remember how these things get skewd by the islamofascists. Check out this article from American Thinker today:
Kabaa Rage and Old Scores
DCDan said:
I think the thing to pay attention to here folks is not the fact of the lights themselves … it is the symbolism that will be propagandized by the extremists throughout the Muslim world that it is a indication that America is succumbing and submitting to Islam … also … I feel that the green lights will be interpreted by those same Islamic hordes as being the equivalent of flying the Hamas flag over NYC …
#83-Zero Angel
“Oct 14: Gold, Jimmy Carter signs bill legalizing home brewing of beer for the first time since Prohibition (1978). *smile*
or
Oct 14: *any ideas for colors welcome* President Ronald Reagan proclaims a War on Drugs (1982).”
So all this is funny to you, eh?
Just a great big laugh riot?
Everybody:
This snickering and mocking is yet another example of, “If it has to be explained to one, one will never understand.”
#92-Desertlover:
Absolutely correct.
chapoutier
I rarely agree completely with you on your posts but I must agree with your statement in #88 …
however, I think that currently when someone says “all the terrorists have been Muslim” they are speaking in the context of post-9/11 terrorism …
Not really surprising for the People’s Republic of New York. When they do the same to the Reunion Tower, then it’s time to stock up on canned goods and shotgun shells.
But look on the bright side, they can use the same green lights on St. Patrick’s Day!
Just a bunch of lights.
Lights that will be celebrated the entire dysfunctional Muslim world over.
Lights that will inspire terrorist wannabees that Americans are ripe for destruction.
Lights that symbolize America’s unwillingness to defend herself.
Quite sad, really. Were I one of these mythical American assimilated Muslims, I’d know well how the Islamic world would view this, and I’d fear for my adopted land.
Or maybe the lights will illustrate to Muslims worldwide that we are tolerant of their faith in America. Regardless, we can’t be worried about how every little action could be interpretted in those countries. Al Jazeera and the like will manipulate even the most benign action to suit their needs.
Desert,
That is why I asked for clarification.
Obviously the biggest terrorist threat posed today comes from Islamic extremists, no doubt. But I think it is an important point to recall that no group or sect is immune from the crazies.
granite:
I was being serious.