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1. #145739
   On October 14th, 2007 at 11:06 am, zorro said:

   This is progress.

   We are a “Sovereign Nation” of laws not men. Vicente should go back to Mexico. No hard feelings, just leave.

2. #145741
   On October 14th, 2007 at 11:09 am, josetheguerilla said:

   People with no gumballs: You’re terminated!!!!!!!

3. #145742
   On October 14th, 2007 at 11:16 am, dfern said:

   Schwartzenegger is a model of political chaos — totally unpredictable and unreliable. While this may be a good move for California, his recent signature of the educational bill and his signature of the bill requiring micro-id’s on bullets fired from semi-automatic pistols reminds us of his Stalinist tendencies.

4. #145744
   On October 14th, 2007 at 11:17 am, gippergirl said:

   I’ll take what I can get…meanwhile don’t try smoking in your car w/someone under the age of 18 present or else you’ll get terminated…Arnie DID sign that one…

5. #145746
   On October 14th, 2007 at 11:22 am, TimDenchanter said:

   
   IMPORTANT QUESTION:

   Is this an actual VETO or did he just decide not to sign it?
   

   The Governator had three options:
   1) Sign it and pass it into law.
   2) VETO it and prevent it from passing.
   3) Do not sign or VETO and allow it to pass into law by default.

   Which did he actually do?

6. #145747
   On October 14th, 2007 at 11:28 am, Michelle Malkin said:

   It’s listed as a veto here.

7. #145748
   On October 14th, 2007 at 11:28 am, Jim M. said:

   The legislation was pretty unbelievable. Illegals already get a break in CA by qualifying for resident tuition rates, but that was not good enough. Pretty incredible a bill to give them more made it all the way to the governor’s desk.

   As for Arnold being a model of political chaos, I cannot disagree with that assessment. He just signed a bill pushed by the gay and lesbian lobby that bans the use of the terms “mom”, “dad”, “husband”, “wife” and similar words in California schools. That same bill also allows children to use whatever restroom or locker room they wish to use, consistent not with their physical gender, but with their desired gender.

   http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=58130

   Talk about chaos.

8. #145751
   On October 14th, 2007 at 11:36 am, TheSev said:

   Vincente go back to Mexico?

   Heck, with what’s going on in Mexico right now with regard to Mr. Fox, I’m starting to think the only way he’s going back to Mexico is if we deport him.

9. #145756
   On October 14th, 2007 at 11:41 am, pressto said:

   While he Vetoed this, he did sign AB14 and AB777 that now bans saying marriage is between a man and a woman in school and makes it a criminal act if a parent states this belief on school property or at a school function.

   Schools will now start teaching gender neutrality starting in Kindergarden.

10. #145760
    On October 14th, 2007 at 11:49 am, ajmontana said:

    With the three headed monster still flying around in Cal, this is good, cut the guy a break people. I agree with zorro, this is progress.

11. #145774
    On October 14th, 2007 at 12:35 pm, Alphonse said:

    A bit off topic, but this is a new one on me:

    OCTOBER 12, 2o07 SUN-TIMES

    Discount airlines help illegals get to U.S.
    MEXICO Fliers arrive nearer to border well-rested

    BY CHRIS HAWLEY, Gannett News Service
    MEXICALI, Mexico — Mexican discount airlines use rock-bottom fares to cater to legal and illegal migrants heading for the United States.

    The airlines — collectively known among frequent fliers as Aeromigrante, or “Migrant Air” — take passengers from central or southern Mexico to cities along the northern border such as Tijuana and Mexicali. From there, customers make their own way across the U.S. border.

    The flights are part of a booming services industry for the estimated 13 million Mexican and Central American migrants who reside in the U.S. Passengers who used to make bus journeys of several days can arrive at the border well-rested for the often dangerous crossing.

    Return flights back south are often nearly empty of passengers, and some routes offer only one-way service.

12. #145788
    On October 14th, 2007 at 2:05 pm, feebiebabe said:

    I saw Fmr. Pres. Fox on with John Stewart. He said he would like to have Canada, US and Mexico and other parts of Central America mirror the European union . He would like to see us all as one country with one currency.

    Almost in the same breath he was accusing the people against this suggestion and for building fences as xenophobes.

    I almost kicked the TV.

13. #145791
    On October 14th, 2007 at 2:22 pm, TimDenchanter said:

    On October 14th, 2007 at 11:28 am, Michelle Malkin said:
    It’s listed as a veto here.

    Thank you, Michelle, for confirming.
    It’s nice to see he can stand up and make a decision.
    One down, how many to go?

    BTW,
    Did you get the document I sent you which disproves the “Greenhouse Gas” theory? I’m hoping you can run with it.

14. #145793
    On October 14th, 2007 at 2:27 pm, TimDenchanter said:

    While everyone is speaking of former Mexico President Vincente Fox, did anyone catch his interview with Larry King?

    Glenn Beck did.

    He broadcast the most important part, where Fox said that he and President Bush II were working together the merge North America and eliminate the dollar.

    Anyone want to investigate this?

    My personal feelings:
    If Mexico wants its citizens to be citizens of the USA,
    they should apply for statehood.

    “…but that’s just my opinion. I could be wrong.” —Dennis Miller

15. #145799
    On October 14th, 2007 at 2:49 pm, graysonret said:

    Of course, he would like a “union” with Canada and the U.S.. I’m sure I could find 2 people in my town that I would love to “union” with. How about me, Bill Gates and Donald Trump? Sounds good to me. Sounds like a typical democrat socialization plan; take from the successful and give to the unsuccessful and call it fair and balanced.

16. #145801
    On October 14th, 2007 at 2:57 pm, twoninerkilo said:

    Well! Did he veto it or not? If he returns it without his John Hancock, and not write veto acroos it, will it become law? What’s the answer?

17. #145802
    On October 14th, 2007 at 2:58 pm, TimDenchanter said:

    You don’t get what I’m pointing out.

    This shows that Fox was working on this with BUSH!

    
    Dear Mr. President,

    Say, fella, whose side are you on?

    Sincerely,
    US citizen who voted for you twice.
    

18. #145804
    On October 14th, 2007 at 3:04 pm, apacherat said:

    Even though Arnold is all over the political board, one day acting like a conservative and the next day sounding like a drunk liberal like Teddy Kennedy. He hasn’t for got who put him in office and what was the number one issue that pissed off most Californian’s and started the recall movement of former Governor Davis, drivers licenses for illegal aliens.

    Also Arnold observed that President Bush lost the support of the conservative base of the GOP not because Bush spends like a liberal or runs a war like a Democrat. Bush lost the conservative base because of his open border policies, his amnesty agenda and just refusing to enforce the immigration laws of our country.

    Arnold knows that if he’s going to run for the U.S. Senate and defeat that useless Senator Boxer, he has no choice but to listen to the American citizens living in California. That with out the support of the conservative base who want our borders secured and our immigration laws enforced, he doesn’t have a chance defeating Boxer.

    But by vetoing this California Dream Act, I’m sure Maria has locked the bedroom door and Arnold will be sleeping on the couch for a week or two.

19. #145806
    On October 14th, 2007 at 3:08 pm, twoninerkilo said:

    Bush has been working with Fox for seven years to make every criminal in Mexico legal American citizens; what’s new?

20. #145807
    On October 14th, 2007 at 3:12 pm, leepro said:

    re: #16 twoninerkilo said:

    Well! Did he veto it or not? If he returns it without his John Hancock, and not write veto acroos it, will it become law? What’s the answer?

    It really helps if you read the whole thread.

    #6 Michelle Malkin said:

    It’s listed as a veto here.

21. #145811
    On October 14th, 2007 at 3:19 pm, Speakup said:

    Surprising since:

    State law bars landlords from asking tenants’ immigration status

    By: JULIANA BARBASSA – Associated Press

    SAN FRANCISCO —- Amid frustration over the federal government’s failure to reform immigration laws, cities across the country have looked for other ways to keep out illegal immigrants, including barring landlords from renting to undocumented residents.

    Now, California is stopping local officials from taking the matter into their own hands, becoming the first state to approve a law that prohibits landlords from asking tenants’ immigration status.

    The bill, approved this week by Gov. Arnold Schwarzenneger, elicited a sigh of relief among landlord associations concerned that without it, they’d be forced to take on the cost and the liability of enforcing federal laws as “de facto immigration cops,” said Nancy Ahlswede, executive director of the Apartment Association, California Southern Cities.

    http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2007/10/12/news/top_stories/21_05_5710_11_07.txt

22. #145819
    On October 14th, 2007 at 3:49 pm, Dr. Lead Based Paint said:

    pressto said, “While he Vetoed this, he did sign AB14 and AB777 that now bans saying marriage is between a man and a woman in school and makes it a criminal act if a parent states this belief on school property or at a school function.”

    Our only hope is if we collectively, rapidly and persuasively act on shutting down Government Education. The good people of this country have stayed silent and passive for far too long.

23. #145820
    On October 14th, 2007 at 3:51 pm, Dr. Lead Based Paint said:

    P.S. I am all for ceding the State of California to Mexico under two conditions:

    1. We adequately fortify the borders and
    2. They take Washington State (and Starbucks) too.

24. #145821
    On October 14th, 2007 at 3:56 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    It is a start. When our Congress get some gummy’s we will start to see some progress on the national level.

    Please, GOD, can we get rid of politicians?

    Let’s put some moms in there – not politicians who are moms. Moms who are not politicians! My mom would have had this country running like a top on 1/10th of the money.

25. #145845
    On October 14th, 2007 at 5:45 pm, Boomer said:

    Vincent Fox will probably be seeking asylum he after this event:

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,301606,00.html

    Look like the locals in Boca Del Rio, Mexico are less then impressed with Mr. Open Borders.

    As far as Arnold’s actions, there are probably still enough Americans left in California that would rise up if he allowed this bill to pass on their tax dollars. At least the parts that haven’t been assimilated by invaders yet.

26. #145852
    On October 14th, 2007 at 6:15 pm, USMCgramma said:

    #14 – I heard the same thing and wonder what else V. Fox and Bush have been talking about. The border guards are still in jail and the President stands by Johnny Sutton as following the law. I don’t think so. Something is very, very wrong with that case.

    For those who think a Mom can run the country better, you must see Mom’s Overture by Anita Renfroe on YouTube. She would get the job done! It is hilarious. Men will love it, too.

27. #145879
    On October 14th, 2007 at 9:16 pm, maisy said:

    Like BUSH, Schwarzenegger is an enigma wrapped in a tortilla.

28. #145880
    On October 14th, 2007 at 9:30 pm, Dandapani said:

    “Only here to take college courses Americans don’t want to do!” — GWB

29. #145895
    On October 14th, 2007 at 10:15 pm, TMoney said:

    Schwarzenegger is waiting for the Feds to pass theirs, so Kalifornia can scarf the federal bucks to fund the criminal alien welfare wagon.

    The fact that he may have vetoed costly, unconstitutional legislation needs further investigation before the applause.

    But then again, maybe I’m just a little jaded in my old age.

    OH…was I the only one to hear Vicente Fox say that Mexico has the lowest unemployment rate in the Americas? The interview was on the WBAP website with Amy Chodroff. I don’t think I misunderstood, but I’d love some corroboration. If those were his stats, maybe it’s because the 10% of the people who would NOT be working down there are up here.

30. #145995
    On October 15th, 2007 at 8:21 am, Bob's Kid said:

    Well, as the mother of 4 University of California graduates (and being one myself), most of whom relied on financial aid to get through college, I say yea.

    One of my kids, a former student at the HS where I worked at the time, was here on a student visa from Hong Kong. He found himself in the situation whereby he was going to have to go back if he didn’t find somewhere to live, so I took legal guardianship of him in his mid teens. He graduated from HS, and went on to a local JC, then transferred to UC Berkeley, from which he graduated in 2000. Got a job with Intel, made a sturdy salary, paid his taxes, he even paid his younger brother’s way through college at Cal as well…he was definitely an asset to our society.

    But you know what? In all that time he was never able to get a Green Card and got no financial aid, paying the international student tuition at Berkeley–considerately more than his sibs paid. He had to go back to HK last year, and now he’s over there contributing to that economy instead of ours, even with over 10 years invested as an American.

    There’s something hughly wrong with this picture.

31. #146000
    On October 15th, 2007 at 8:41 am, MrVIBEMAN said:

    Senate Bill 1 vs. AB14 and AB777

    One step forward, two steps back.
    Schwarzenegger shouldn’t be allowed to call himself Republican. However, based on what Republicans are doing now-a-days I guess he’s par for the course.

    Sad.

    I want my Ronald Reagan party back!!

    BTW, Bob’s Kid, the reason your Hong Kong student couldn’t get a Green Card was because they’re saving them all up for the Mexican and Middle Eastern criminals.

32. #146051
    On October 15th, 2007 at 10:35 am, Yashmak said:

    his recent signature of the educational bill and his signature of the bill requiring micro-id’s on bullets fired from semi-automatic pistols reminds us of his Stalinist tendencies.

    -dfern

    Yeah, that and the frequent purges he conducts, frequent disappearances of political dissidents, and mass graves full of communal farmers. He’s quite a Stalinist. /rolleyes

33. #146155
    On October 15th, 2007 at 12:55 pm, conservativehomeschooler said:

    USMCgramma

    That Mom’s Overture was hilarious…thanks!

34. #146542
    On October 15th, 2007 at 9:33 pm, GaijinBob said:

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t this technically called a pocket veto? At the rate we’re losing ground in CA, I’ll take it as a win.

35. #153862
    On October 24th, 2007 at 9:37 am, DanME said:

    Arnold is another democrat in republican clothes. It’s republicans like him who are destroying the party.