True that many lawyers become politicians, and a knowledge of the law may certainly help one write them, but their role in each position is decidedly different. Just as many lawyers become judges, but one is supposed to advocate for the client and the other is (ideally) unbiased and objective.

And certainly one does not need to be a lawyer to be a politician. So if you TRULY want to criticize the law makers, blasting lawyers seems a very indirect, inaccurate and inefficient way of doing so.

Just as an FYI, I could find one cite that mentioned 40% of the 109th Congress were attorneys, a large percentage but not a majority. That was the only stat I could find quickly.

chapoutier said:There are obviously some posters who understand the fact that lawyers do not make the law,

If you were to take a survey of how many people in the house and senate are lawyers and add to that the number of lawyers on each congressman/senator’s staff, I think you would find that lawyers do make the laws. And then we are forced to call on them to interpret (at every level of government) and then save us from the net results.

If we didn’t have lawyers creating rules of engagement laws, we wouldn’t need lawyers to tell our troops when they can shoot.

Hogwash, but typical.

Delusional/disingenuous/abysmal reading skills (take your pick), but typical.

Of course that is what she was saying:

While the lawyers diddled and fiddled, American soldiers’ lives were endangered.

She cites favorably:

A search to rescue the men was quickly launched. But it soon ground to a halt as lawyers – obeying strict U.S. laws about surveillance – cobbled together the legal grounds for wiretapping the suspected kidnappers.

As if, gasp, obeying the law is the problem and not the law itself.

Chap said,,
not so subtly accusing lawyers of the death of three soldiers because they “diddled and fiddled”.

Hogwash, but typical.

chapoutier said:
Here’s what I hope for all you idiots here that continue to bash attorneys:

People have been doing this for years Chap, take a joke and lighten up.

1. I hope that, when your parent dies, you have to struggle and fumble your way through the probate system because no estate attorney will take you as a client.

2. I hope that, when your child gets sick because of exposure to lead paint, no attorney, whose actions will punish the company that knowingly poisoned your child and thus prevent other companies from doing the same, allows you to join their class action.

3. I hope that your small company fails because you, as a layperson, do not understand the myriad of laws and regulations that affect your business.

4. I hope that you, when arrested (justly or not) are interrogated illegally and have your rights trampled on by the police because no criminal attorney will represent you.

5. I hope that you, when rear-ended by another motorist, end up getting screwed over by the driver’s insurance company that will trick you into taking far less money for settlement than you deserve because no personal injury attorney will talk to you.

Actually I do not hope any these things because it would be a grave injustice. And injustice is what lawyers dedicate their lives to preventing.

Let me preface this next part by saying that there are clearly some unresolved questions as to what exactly happened in this situation. And I do not pretend to be an expert in FISA. However, even viewing this in the light most favorable to MM, I do not understand the attitude.

There are obviously some posters who understand the fact that lawyers do not make the law, they are just sworn to uphold it. But not everyone, including our host, apparently. You claim to hate “activist judges” who supposedly make law instead of following it. However, when the attorneys here insist that the law (however misguided you feel that law may be) be followed and that people don’t take it into their own hands, you all vilify them.

If you don’t like the law, change it. Don’t take cheap shots at those whose only job is to uphold it.

A well fed & happy group of fish and a good start in trimming the population of useless lawyers

With that said, I am not buying the statement that it took “lawyers” over 9 hours to get their act together while mens lives hung in the balance.

I seem to recall, as mentioned above, that FISA does have a provision to put the tap in place and seek a warrant after the fact. If that is indeed the case, the report is not telling the whole truth. That would mean that SOMEONE had the ability to order the tap and get things moving. For whatever reason, that someone punted and chose to follow the safer path of getting the warrant first.

I think we need to be careful here. While those of us on the right are correct to point out the flaws in the examples used by the liberal sect in advancing their causes, we should take additional care to insure that what we use to support our ideas will survive intense scrutiny. If we don’t, then it impacts our credibility.

Someone needs to play the adult here, and it is obvious those on the left are too busy looking for busses to throw children under that they cannot be bothered with that responsibility.

Hopefully, the NY Post’s version of the story will hold water, but I have some serious reservations about that.

Revise FISA procedures to allow simultaneous initiation of tapping and the filing of a warrant request. Don’t have to wait for the damn lawyers then. Maybe also stipulate that any info so obtained can be used only for national security and not criminal proceedings.

Any complaints from the lefties on this????

There is, however, a load of BS in FISA law which is continuing to endanger our troops as they put their lives on the line so that we can sleep at night in a free country.

Any member of Congress who votes to continue this fooishness should be impeached. How is our military supposed to win when their hands are tied. This is crazy.

i find it ironic this is on the same page as a story of you whining about the democrats using children to hide behind.

Scoot, I’ll bite…where’s the irony in dems using children to hide behind and dems screaming about wiretaps, resulting in documented delays in action taken?