These people will stop at nothing. It was Marines on this occasion, but they will just as easily do the same to a shopping mall or a school. I remain surprised that it has not happened here more often. It’s only a matter of time.

All is relative when talking about dictators.

That’s true, but it doesn’t mute the blowback from out meddling.

Genocidal? Get your facts right. It’s a word that makes you sound important, like you know what you’re talking about but entirely inappropriate in the context you are using it.
Even the mullahs aren’t “genocidal” in their brutality. They are thuggish tyrants but hardly the murderous butchers like a Saddam or a Kim are.

I was referring to Saddam with that remark — specifically to the al-Anfal campaign, which is widely regarded as being genocidal.

And are you saying the Iranians provided troops to help us overthrow the Taliban?
Proof please.

USA Today: Iran helped overthrow Taliban, candidate says. U.S. sources downplay their role, but confirm that Iranian troops were on the ground.

What they never get around to mentioning is that even before Karzai entered Kabul, we had asked the Iranians to turn over several top al-Qaeda leaders including Osama’s brother who had taken up residence in Iran.
They refused. Nice friends, huh?

Immediately after out invasion of Iraq, the Iranians attempted to start broad negotiations with the United States. Among the things they put on the table: accepting a two-state solution to the Israel-Palestine conflict, stopping their material support of Palestinian militias, coordination in Iraq, decisive action against terrorists and cooperation on nuclear safeguards. This initiative had the support of then-president Khatami and supreme religious leader Khamenei. They may have not been ready to completely make nice in 2001, but when they saw how we in three weeks toppled Saddam (something they couldn’t do in eight years), they decided that it was in their best interest to start cooperating — especially since Bush had lumped them in the “Axis of Evil” with the recently invaded Iraq. The Bush administration didn’t even respond to their offer of negotiations.

If we’re not willing to engage them diplomatically, what hope is there for a peaceful resolution?

Islam is a false religion. I can not be a raciest, because Islam is not a race. If anyone is a bigot Rick, it is yourself. Someone who is blindly, or obstinately devoted to a party or creed.

Use Yahoo, or at&t.net if you dislike Google Rick. Look for the Doctoral level theses on Islam, allah, or moon god. Perhaps, you will wake up someday.

They are already killing our soldiers and they, along with Syria, are wiping out the Christian leaders in Lebanon. Their goal is world domination and their false religion is Islam.

Keep your head in the sand because when you finally try to pull it out you may just find it to be detached. Islam is coming to America and we had better wake up and stop it now before it’s too late.

Proof please. Because according to everything I’ve ever read on the subject, their assistance took the form of urging the Northern ALliance to work with us – a dubious kind of help since who else were they going to side with in the conflict?

Iran also apparently helped with the endgame negotiations that brought Karzai to power by once again, interceding with the NA and getting them to accept our man in Kabul.

The Iranians – and their buddies on the left – point to this as “proof” that the Iranians (after nearly 30 years of the most rabid hostilitity imaginable) wanted to make nice with us. What they never get around to mentioning is that even before Karzai entered Kabul, we had asked the Iranians to turn over several top al-Qaeda leaders including Osama’s brother who had taken up residence in Iran.

They refused. Nice friends, huh?

The point is, being grievance mongers about what went on 60 years ago is silly and stupid. And making excuses for Iran now is equally dumb.

All is relative when talking about dictators.

Amnesty International estimated in 1978 that the Shah had executed around 15,000 dissidents from 1953-78 while jailing another 45,000 – many of them communists who sought to overthrow his regime.

In the first 4 years after the revolution in 1979, the Iranian regime executed 150,000, jailed another 275,000, and destroyed the reforms initiated by the Shah that was bringing Iran slowly toward a much more open, westernized society.

Genocidal? Get your facts right. It’s a word that makes you sound important, like you know what you’re talking about but entirely inappropriate in the context you are using it.

Even the mullahs aren’t “genocidal” in their brutality. They are thuggish tyrants but hardly the murderous butchers like a Saddam or a Kim are.

Today marks the 24th anniversary of the suicide bombing of U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut, Lebanon taking 241 American lives. The terrorists started their cowardly war against us decades ago. The United States will finish the War on Terror, with a ve…

we should have absolutely no qualms about attempting to undermine the government of Iran and work for regime change

Our funding of the 1953 Iranian coup and our continued meddling in Iranian affairs is what motivated the Iranian hostage crisis in 1979. If Iran was involved in Hizbullah’s 1983 attack in Beirut, it’s likely because we funded a brutal, genocidal dictator’s war by providing him with chemical weapons which he then proceeded to use against civilian Iranian populations. We also provided Saddam with satellite photographs to help in his bombing runs, as well as other strategic information. Over half a million Iranians were killed in that war. If Iran is our enemy, as you assert, it is without a doubt an enemy of our own creation.

Of course, with the invasion of Afghanistan and the overthrow of the Taliban (which the Iranians helped by providing troops), and the invasion of Iraq and overthrow of Saddam, Iran is very much in our debt. We took out their enemies, including their genocidal next-door neighbor. We have established Iran as the dominant military presence in the area. They’re not going to screw that up by attacking us. As ill-advised as an attack on Iran by the US would be, it’s not something that Iran seeks. We may have screwed up the occupation of Iraq, but we made quick work of Saddam. The Iranian Mullahs have to have that deposition fresh in their mind.

why does he get a pass for his weaknesses on jihadists is the Middle East, when we’re paying for it over 20yrs later.

i haven’t seen anyone giving reagan a pass for the lebanon withdrawal in 82. it was definetly wrong. clinton made the same mistake when he withdrew from somalia in 93.

Every trauma call, and the like was a reflection of his method of teaching the “baby docs” what would be expected of us.

Thanks Mikey and hope you are enjoying your retirement. Semper FI to the Marines and the “Docs” that take care of them!

HM1(AW) Paul K. Fischer
USN Retired
GSP