Playing fire with S-CHIP; Update: Pete Stark takes the floor!; Update: A vote against S-CHIP is a vote against Jesus!; Update: S-CHIP passes under new veto threat
Update 5:45pm Eastern 10/25. S-CHIP passes, 265-142. The vote did not clear the two-thirds, veto-proof hurdle. Wire dispatch:
The House passed a revised children’s health proposal Thursday, but not by the two-thirds margin that supporters will need if President Bush vetoes the measure as promised. The 265-142 vote was a victory for Bush and his allies, who urged House Republicans to reject Democrats’ claims that changes to the legislation had met their chief concerns. If the same vote occurs on a veto override attempt, Bush will prevail, as he did earlier this month when he vetoed a similar bill. The tally was seven votes short of a two-thirds majority. Several House members were absent. Liberal groups continue to run attack ads against Republicans siding with Bush on the issue, which many Democrats consider a winner for their party.
Rep. Blunt’s statement:
House Republican Whip Roy Blunt (Mo.) issued the following statement today after Democrats attempted once again to use a children’s health program created by Republicans to expand taxpayer-funded care to people who are neither children nor poor – and in some cases, not even in this country legally:
“Many of us had hoped the majority would take our concerns to heart and come back with an SCHIP bill that extends quality health care to poor kids first. Instead, we got a hastily assembled bill that few of us were given an adequate chance to read – resulting in a final product that addresses none of the serious issues that have plagued the Democrats’ plan from the outset.
“The majority insists this is a bill about children’s health, but the plan we have before us would allow adults to remain eligible. The majority insists the bill was crafted with the interests of poor kids in mind, but it was written in a way that ensures families making as much as $73,000 remain on the rolls. And the majority insists that those here illegally would no longer be in a position to collect taxpayer-funded benefits, but the Social Security Administration has been clear that they will.
“If this bill truly represented a genuine compromise, we would’ve been given more than a couple hours to read it. As it is, we voted on legislation today that will never become law. And because of that, we missed yet another opportunity to send the president a bill that’s committed to insuring poor kids first.”
4:47pm Eastern 10/25 update. A very articulate caller on C-SPAN’s Republican line is talking about the Frost family and countering the charges that conservatives “attacked the child.”
Interestingly, the Democrats again did not mention the Frost family during the debate today.
Telling.
4:41pm Eastern 10/25 update. A caller to C-SPAN just yelled that anyone who votes against S-CHIP is “voting against Jesus himself!”
4:07pm Eastern 10/25 update. Looks like some more procedural gamesmanship is underway. A motion to recommit the bill.
3:52pm Eastern 10/25 update. Oh, crikey. Rahm Emanuel repeated his anecdote about his constituent Dolores Sweeney and her children who are on S-CHIP as an argument to vastly expand S-CHIP. Hello? They’re already covered. They’re already covered. They’re already covered. They’re already covered.
3:46pm Eastern 10/25 update. Republican leader John Boehner: “This is about playing a political game. You know it and I know it. Everyone knows this is nothing more than a political game.”
3:25pm Eastern 10/25 update. Roy Blunt: “Why are we having this vote today?” And “why weren’t we allowed to see the bill, if this is such a great bill?”
2:45pm Eastern 10/25 update. Uh-oh. Pete Stark is on the floor speaking for the S-CHIP bill. I think he took some sedatives this time. And he’s sticking to a staff-written script. Too funny: Stark ends urging “compassion” and “humane treatment.”
Just for fun. Stark on the House floor the last time he spoke up for the massive S-CHIP expansion:
1:52pm Eastern. After an hour of debate, there’s another procedural vote. It’s being reported that Republicans are trying to delay the actual S-CHIP vote until Monday through procedural maneuvers. It’s gonna be a long afternoon.
1:45pm Eastern 10/25 update. Several GOP members endorse HR 3888, the GOP S-CHIP alternative. Here’s GOP Rep. Tom Price’s description:
The More Children, More Choices Act, H.R. 3888, fully funds and reauthorizes SCHIP to cover children in households with annual income up to $43,000 — the original intent. The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office estimates that $8.5 billion in new spending is needed to ensure that all children in the current program are covered. H.R. 3888 responsibly provides these needed funds, plus an additional $3 billion for outreach to find children who are currently eligible but not enrolled in the program — all without a tax increase! Rather than providing bureaucratic, government-run health care for those in middle-income homes, this reauthorization keeps SCHIP focused on needy kids first.
SCHIP is not the answer to those children who are uninsured but do not qualify for the program. Rather than bluntly expanding the program, The More Children, More Choices Act provides premium assistance for the purchase of private, personal coverage for children in households with annual income up to $63,000. This proposal will reach the same number of children as the Democrat plan, without expanding government-run health care. Instead of pulling children off personal insurance for the government program, as the Democrat bill would do, this legislation would preserve current coverage while expanding the purchase of personal insurance for millions more children.
Our health care crisis is undoubtedly not confined to our nation’s youth. We must provide access to health care coverage for all Americans. A third important component of H.R. 3888 would provide incentives for health care coverage to the uninsured through state initiatives. The program offers grants and promotes innovation and flexibility from federal regulation, allowing states to use a combination of ideas that best meets their specific needs.
1:37pm Eastern 10/25 update. Sheila Jackson Lee: “WE WILL STAND FOR THE CHILDREN!!!!”
1:31pm Eastern 10/25 update. Very interesting. Media Matters is lobbying aggressively for this S-CHIP effort. The group’s Karl Frisch sent out a mass e-mail attacking news outlets from Fox to the Washington Times to MSNBC, CNN, and the New York Times for reporting the Republicans’ side of the debate.
Next up: Media Matters sends out an Important Action Alert about the corporate greed and health insurance corruption in the WellCare scandal. Oh, no. Wait. Never mind.
1:20pm Eastern 10/25 update. GOP Rep. Ginny Brown-Waite calls the S-CHIP bill an illegal alien magnet and lambastes the cigarette tax-funding mechanism.
GOP Rep. Mike Rogers says “Read the bill.” Changes are worse, not better. “If you want to stand for kids and not behind them, we need to reject this rule.” Proof of citizenship not required.
1:00pm Eastern 10/25 update. Let me sum up Nancy Pelosi’s S-CHIP statement. The March of Dimes supports the S-CHIP expansion. HOW CAN YOU OPPOSE THE MARCH OF DIMES?!?!?!
Pelosi: “I hope our colleagues will be thinking about the children…This legislation makes good economic sense and good national security sense.”
12:16pm Eastern 10/25 update. We are now on the third motion to adjourn.
11:55am Eastern 10/25 update. Looks like the motion failed. Now, there’s a motion to reconsider the vote. There’s a request for a recorded vote. Things are getting testy on the floor.
11:34am Eastern 10/25 update. Rep. Louise Slaughter whines that the objections are “not about point of order…It’s because the White House doesn’t want to give health insurance to 10 million children.”
THEY HATE THE CHILLLLLLDREN!!!!!
And now, we move to a third resolution on whether the House will move to debate.
11:19am Eastern 10/25 update. The second motion to adjourn failed. On to the S-CHIP debate.Well, not quite yet. GOP Rep. Pete Sessions of Texas makes a point of order that the S-CHIP bill violates a Congressional Budget Act rule as an unfunded mandate.
10:57am Eastern 10/25 update. There’s a motion to adjourn. An earlier motion to adjourn failed.
Meanwhile, Don Surber notes that “While Democrats have demagogued the SCHIP bill, the leaders of the Democratic Congress have let the health care of active duty soldiers and their families go unfunded.”
10:41am Eastern 10/25 update. Here we go. GOP Rep. Pete Sessions is pointing out to Majority Leader Steny Hoyer that several California House members are not present because of the wildfires and asks him to address the refusal to postpone the S-CHIP vote. Hoyer says the vote won’t be affected. Rep. Sessions resubmits request to postpone. Republicans have not had time to go through the bill. “This is a collegial request from the Republicans in this body who recognize the importance of S-CHIP…I am respectfully asking on behalf of the minority…to please reconsider allowing us to end our business today and take up this business on Tuesday…”
[Applause.]
Rep. Heather Wilson, a GOP member who supports massive S-CHIP expansion, points out that 55 members were absent for last vote. “The issue is important to people on both sides of the aisle…I am reluctant to [move forward] with so many members gone.”
Rep. Gene Taylor dismisses the notion of “shutting down Congress.” Rep. Sessions says it’s not about “shutting down Congress.” Just wants a delay until next week.
10:00am Eastern 10/25 update. The House is in session. Stay tuned for liveblogging of the S-CHIP debate. Tantrum. Whatever you want to call this latest Dem stunt.
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S-CHIP is baaaack. Politico reports:
Democrats huddled behind closed doors in the Capitol basement Wednesday for the unveiling of another children’s health bill they believe will win enough votes to override a White House veto.
Last week, Democrats were 13 votes short of overriding President Bush’s veto of the $35 billion expansion of the State Children’s Health Insurance Program bill, which would extend health benefits to 10 million uninsured children.
Republican whip Roy Blunt sends an e-mail calling foul on the timing of the vote, to be held while many California House members are home, responding to wildfires. Also take note that the Republicans have not been able to see the new bill:
House Republican Whip Roy Blunt (Mo.) issued the following statement today after House Democrats announced they plan to push through controversial SCHIP legislation tomorrow while a number of members from southern California are back in their districts responding to the wildfires:
“The scope, scale and severity of the fires raging in southern California are of a magnitude few of us have ever seen. What’s important right now is that members from the area be given the chance to return to their districts to aid their constituents in any way they can – whether through casework, disaster relief efforts, or simply lending a hand to a neighbor in need.
“Unfortunately, the speaker announced plans today to hold an important, and contentious, vote on SCHIP while these members are confronting serious issues at home – disenfranchising, in effect, a large segment of the most populous state in the union, and throwing into doubt the integrity of the vote.
“In light of these circumstances, I would urge the speaker to reconsider her strategy and delay the vote on her SCHIP bill until a time when the interests of millions of Americans in southern California can be accurately represented. Maybe in that time Democrats will also actually consider making a copy of the bill available to Republicans.”
What’s the Frost family up to? Snowing over MSM propaganda tools and lobbying for government-subsidized adult health insurance.
Here’s a point-by-point deconstruction of the WaPo’s error-ridden piece from the Freeper who first started asking the questions no one else wanted to ask. Bookmark it.
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They just don’t get it… do they.
Build the FENCE!!!
Kinda reminds me of a Charley Rich tune. Either way, you just know someone is getting screwed “behind closed doors.”
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From a recent Rush transcript
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_102307/content/01125116.guest.html
The Frost family was covered under the current structure of the S-CHIP program. Now we find out that the mother of Graeme Frost has become an activist, and is advocating for state legislation that would expand coverage for adults. Thank you, Mrs. Frost! Then everybody would be covered. The whole family could be covered. We have SA-CHIP. We have S-CHIP. We’d have everything covered in the Frost family. Frost family can then save up their money. They won’t have to spend on health care. By the way, folks, about these dishwashers and these tenement dwellers and so forth in Chinatown, $1,000, $2,000 donation to Hillary Clinton? They can’t afford health care, but they can afford a grand or two grand to give to her presidential campaign? (interruption) Yeah, right. Well, that’s right. That’s another thing. Here’s another “family caught in the partisan crossfire.” They weren’t “caught” in anything! They entered it. They showed up in it. This story indicates that we were right all along about it: This is an activist family. They were found by some child services outfit in Maryland and then supposedly (this is how the story goes) the Democrats in Washington were told about this family by the child services bunch in Maryland. It’s like the grandparents driving around Florida happened to listen in to Newt’s conversation on a cell phone in a car, like we all do
Sorry bout the long link slipped through some how
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The Republicans need to remember this the next time there is a disaster that impacts a democratic area.
This is not the way an elected government is supposed to work. We have been exposed to tactics by the DEmocrats in recent months that are anything but democratic.
First we have amnesty and the dream act. They can’t get it in the front door so by some sleight of hand procedural underhandedness, they attempt to ram it through the back door using a tactic that bars any debate on the topic or time to respond. The closed door manueverings before each of these ploys undoubtedly violated more than a vew of the “sunshine” laws that require open debates (remember Hillary’s secretive health care meetings, or even Cheney’s energy meetings that the Dems squealled about?).
So now we see that th cloture nonsense was not the only thing in their dirty bag of tricks. Now they want to use the opportunity presented to them by a natural disaster that has caused over $1 billion in damage already to again try to ram something through that has been voted down recently.
These people have no honor and no moral courage. Taking advantage of a disaster to get what you want? Tell me what the difference is between the Democrats pushing this and the looters in California? From an ethical and moral perspective, there is no difference. They exist on the same low plane of human decency.
There is absolutely nothing that a democrat won’t politicize. Shameless, they are.
Deja Vu all over again … and the most telling part of Roy Blunt’s response is the last phrase
As I recall the last few times on bills they were worried about they did the same thing and dumped a multi-hundred page document on the Republicans one evening and voted the next morning so there was not really time to review it.
Anyone else see a pattern developing here as to how they plan on continuing to introduce this stuff?
Makes it kind of difficult for the public to get engaged as we have been doing if they present it and vote before we have a chance to respond from outside the beltway … wouldn’t you say? Seems to be the strategy with an objective of denying the people an opportunity to voice their opinion.
The Dems are changing all the rules as they go along trying to find new ways to get around the public and any other opposition they may encounter. The closed door sessions are nothing more than blatant attempts to deceive the people.
A pox on them all.
HEY CONGRESS!
Before you go ahead and spend anymore of my grandkid’s future income by attempting to pass yet another wrong-headed spending bill,
how about first passing a budget this year?
After all, it is your Constitutional Duty to do so!
Well, I have said it over and over, while we snicker at their methods, they are effective. The Dems are winning the important political battle on this bill. Right now public opinion is on their side. I suspect they would much rather that the bill continues to fail so they can continue to make an issue of it. What is frustrating is that it doesn’t have to be this way. If the Reps just went out and presented their alternative to the folks so that the people understood that they aren’t against SCHIP entirely, the perception now, but rather the Dems version of SCHIP, then perception would be with us.
The difference is that the Dems have made a concerted effort to paint the Reps as against SCHIP while the Reps have made a half hearted attempt to present their side. after the last veto I said the Reps had an opening however so far I have been totally disappointed with the way they have treated that opening.
Sadly, I think the Reps are content allowing the Dems to paint them as heartless.
mike volpe
I believe you will find that the Republicans attempted to present an alternative plan following the veto-overide failure and the Dems would not allow it to be presented to the house or committees for consideration …
http://wizbangblog.com/content/2007/10/18/republicans-offer-schip-proposal-of-their-own.php
That isn’t where the Republicans need to present their plan. They need to present their plan to the people. They aren’t losing their battle within the Capitol. They are losing their battle in the polls. If the Dems are blocking their bill, that is all the more reason to go out in the media and present it there and ask why they are blocking the bill. This is not about the logistics of the Legislature, but perception. The perception is that the Reps are against kids. That won’t be fixed by trying to get their own plan through the house. They won’t. That said, if they get all over the televisions radios and newspapers and present their plan that way, then it will work effectively politically.
Don Surber has an interesting post on the Dems priorities:
Typical liberal initiative at work here, 100% fueled by feelings and emotion, and to hell with the facts.
Any family with a newer Volvo in the driveway – that also believes they’re owed subsidized anything – needs to move to Sweden.
I’ve been blogging about this today. It seems that there will be no change in the cost or how they decide to pay for it.
They aren’t interested in a good bill. They are only interested in ‘a bill’ that they can pass. They want to find out just how much they can get away with instead of finding out what would be a good program.
None of the votes for this will be changed from everything I have read. Just more wasted time and more accusations that Republicans hate kids.
Another bill for the President to VEto. This one, the way it will be put forth is worthy of not only a veto but the ire of ALL real repulicans, not only the fair weather type.
I first realized what of kind of lying tactics the Democrats would resort to back in the ’90s when they were accusing the Republicans of wanting to cut Medicare. The Republicans were actually wanting to increase spending 5% but the democrats were wanting a 10% increase. So in their eyes a 5% increase was a cut. Unfortunately my dear friend and boss bought their BS, and so did a lot of other members of the general public.
This endless pattern of deception and playing on emotion is why I have so little regard for the Democrats. There are some good people on the left, but unfortunately they are very few and far between.
Waiting for their approval rating to hit 1%.
All those freebies the illegals get for their kids – take away from ours.
Guess they haven’t calculated that into their equation. Or have they?
Mike Volpe: Don’t disagree with you on the lack of leadership (and communication) on the part of the Republicans – but my question is what “soundbite” will get the message across. Just gotta recognize that with our MSM, whatever is said will be reduced (if played at all) to about 10 seconds at most.
Maybe gayle has it already – The freebies they give to the illegals, take away from ours”. (And we know SCHIP in any of it’s forms – even curent form – is open fairly available to illegals if states won’t/don’t ask.)
Huey Long must be laughing somewhere in the afterlife right now. Recall that it was he, in response to the question, “Can Fascism ever come to America?” who replied:
“If it does, it’ll call itself ‘Anti’Fascism.’”
Those on the political left who warn us about the “creeping Fascism” of the Bush Administration should take note: we’re getting there… but from another direction.
Consider what the “Democrats” in Congress have done since November of 2006:
- Routinely playing hide-the-ball with legislation, keeping Republicans from having any hand in drafting or review until the last minute, preventing committee debates, closed-door “No Republicans Allowed!” revision meetings.
- Playing games with vote timing, as in this instance, to slip through legislation.
- Overcoming vote defeats by re-opening the voting until they can gin up enough votes to “win” – and then when called on it, erasing the record.
And this is what they do when they hold a narrow majority in the House and Senate. Just imagine what they’ll do if they ever secure a veto-proof or cloture-proof majority.
Then we’ll all get a good idea of what “totalitarianism” really means. Or, as one “Democrat” legislator once sneered to a Republican legislator who protested at this gaming of the legislative process:
“Elections have consequences!”
They do indeed.
My humble suggestion to the “Democrat” Party leadership is to change their mascot from an ass to a pig. Aside from being more aesthetically consistent, it’ll also be consistent with how we’re coming to live out Orwell’s “Animal Farm” in real life.
This just goes to show the importance of having a Republican in the White House. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again – The Democratic agenda has become so insane that I would rather have just about any republican in office then the smartest, most highly education Democrat out there. VOTE STRAIGHT PARTY REPUBLICAN when you step into the box people! Anything less is suicide!
#20…Talk about kissing your brains goodbye. I’d agree with the statements that the Dems are completely insane but it seems to me the Republicans as a party are trying to emulate them, not fight them. From time to time, there are qualified, responsible third party candidates.
Frankly, the Republicans make me sick.
Unfortunately, the Democrats make me sicker. And more broke to boot.
I hope anyone still nursing fantasies of casting a 3rd party “protest vote” in ‘08 is paying attention here. A DNC Congress working with a President Clinton is a horrifying prospect.
Thats a trow away vote. If there is a third party candidate for president because people are not happy with the Republican nomination then the Democrats will win the White House. Mark my words – I guarantee a Democrat win in the presidential election if there is a second Republican running as a third party candidate.
Bullseye!
I am all for Partisan Republicans that won’t give an inch to the Dems, but when it comes down to crunch time – a vote for a third party republican candidate is a vote for Hillary Clinton. You can’t stay home on election day or cast a “protest vote”. It may come down to a choice between the lesser of two evils and you have to make that decision to help stem the tide for another four years.
“This president had to overcome some things that required additional spending,” said Sean Kevelighan, a White House budget office spokesman.
Nuff said…
On October 25th, 2007 at 9:09 am,
Outstanding comment Regulus! It will also go well with the pork barrel spending (a crime both parties are guilty of). Got a problem throw some money at it. They don’t understand throwing money will only make the problem grow.
I didn’t say throw away your vote. You are also correct there is no viable third party candidate for President this time around. Sad sad case in point occurred last year in Connecticut in the Senate race. There was a Republican who wasn’t really viable, Lieberman (bad) and Lamont (really bad). People could have gone into the booth voting for the Republican and thrown the thing to Lamont. I’m not sure there is a good answer – just a choice of “lesser evil”.
I agree that a vote for a third party candidate is a throw away vote. While it may be desirable to have an alternative to the Democrats or Republicans, a third party would have to be built from the ground up. This means winning an increasing number of positions in local and state offices. Only then would a third party candidate have enough broad based support to compete effectively in presidential elections.
On the lesser of two evils front, I’m one of the South Carolinians who hope Lindsey Graham can be defeated in the primaries. Much as I disagree with Graham’s positions on many issues, I disagree with the Democrats even more.
MM seems to say that Congress should shut down so a few Republican Congressmen from southern California can grandstand in their districts about the fire. I think they should be in Washington doing the people’s business, not getting in the way of the firefighters.
Isn’t it funny how all these “highly intelligent”, Ivy league educated Democrats have never even heard of the book Animal Farm????
Very good point. But I think Lieberman is probably the only solid piece of evidence you can site here. History has always shown in presidential elections that third party candidates always swing the victory the the other side.
lgm…I see nowhere that MM indicated Congress should shut down. The issue is a piece of legislation that is hurriedly brought to the floor.
Concerning doing “the people’s business” – didn’t they already do that and vote on it before? The former result was it didn’t pass the checks and balance system our founding fathers wisely put in place. Any attempt to rush something through is merely an attempt to circumvent the checks and balances.
Now something we can agree on – the congresspeople probably don’t need to be in California getting in the way. In fact, it appears that they are doing just fine without intervention from Washington – local control, using federal resources as necessary.
Raging – you might be right with respect to Presidential elections – although in the case of Perot, I’m not sure we really can say which side he helped or hurt. He may have been an “equal opportunity” vote taker. Of course, as a conservative, I’ll blame him for hurting our side.
Michelle
Check the HotAir tips box for yesterday about 9:34 PM. ABC story has the cost at 35 Million, not 35 Billion.
News2Use
The cost is $35 Billion … your reference is to an ABC story that is incorrect … the President wanted a $5 Billion increase and the Dems want $35 Billion increase plus the Dems want to raise the eligibility level from 200% of poverty level to 300% of poverty level and continue to let New Jersey grandfather in their 350% poverty level for eligibility …
Geez are you transparent. If they didn’t go you’d be here talking about how they don’t care and aren’t willing to help their constituents, and I’ve no doubt you’d use the words “just like Katrina” at some point.
Just FYI, blind hatred of Republicans is a poor principle to base your politics on.
And as long as you’ve stuck your head up above ground, any comment on the utter fraud your boys at the New Republic turned out to be? Any apologies forthcoming?
Nah, I didn’t think so.
Sadly, another new low for Democrats and their “Shake the Baby” approach. Come to think of it, isn’t Shaken Baby Syndrome a crime against children under current laws. Take a break, don’t shake… Dems!
According to the data on the HHS site the current (2007) poverty income level for a family of 4 (the quoted standard for measurement in S-Chip) is $20,650.
That means that under current guidelines of 200% a family of 4 with income between $20,650 and $41,300 is eligible for S-Chip coverage for their children.
Under the proposed Democrat bill guidelines of 300% a family of 4 with income between $20,650 and $61,950 is eligible for S-Chip coverage for their children.
According to Census Bureau reports the Median Income for all US households for 2006 was $48,201.
Based on those facts the easier question to be answered might well be:
McClatchy is as reliable a source as Kos.
Here’s yet another thing the Dems are doing to try and destroy our economy. While they constantly bitch and moan about lenders not lending enough to low-income people, Barney “Brothel” Frank is introducing this legislation:
(From the NY Times)
WASHINGTON, Oct. 22 — House Democrats introduced legislation on Monday that would for the first time let homeowners sue Wall Street firms for relief from mortgages that the borrowers never had a realistic chance of repaying.
The measure would also restrict several practices that industry critics have long said were deceptive and amounted to “predatory lending.” It would prohibit incentives to brokers for steering borrowers to more expensive mortgages. It would sharply restrict prepayment penalties — something common with subprime loans, which effectively lock borrowers into the loans.
So here’s the deal; get in over your head and it’s not your fault.
oops … forgot to mention that in New Jersey the 350% grandfather clause would set that state’s eligibility range at $20,650 to $72,276 … now … I ask again …
Who is not covered?
Throw in that they want it to cover up to age 25 and we are talking national health care here folks …
Who is not covered? – that’s easy – those who are responsible and not victims.
I am not sure how the process works. I thought they had a vote to try to override the veto and it failed. Can Congress keep bring this up and voting again and again on it?
http://www.congress.org/congressorg/popups/handdeliver.html
pressto
yep … like the energizer bunny it just keeps going and going and going and going …
How does this affect national security?
Yes, they will be thinking about you,Reid, and Stark…amoung many others.
Pelosi dragged out that same March of Dimes mantra the last time around … talk about instant replay … and I still ask as I did then … what the H… does the March of Dimes have to do with S-CHIP? …
Why don’t we allow illegal aliens to work here, tax them double and use those taxes to pay for our kids healthcare?
Amazing – but business as usual.
Republicans citing facts and actual text from the stealth bill – only getting to read it for the first time during the debate. Finding sneaky provisions that negate new “fixes”.
Dems ignoring facts and whining sbout the children. Leaking new bill to lobbyist groups for pressure phone calls BEFORE releasing text to Republicans.
Business as usual in the new Pekosi House.
I feel dirty watching sausage being made.
Democrat “logical” thinking:
“We are going to spend $35 billion on S-CHIP no matter how many, and whoever, it covers. Regardless of need.”
I think I have that right.
Yep, it’s sausage.
Pete Stark is a rudenick. No manners. I know i’ve said it before….but I am not gonna stop. RUDE, RUDE, RUDE, – Hack of a Congressmen!
Well I, for one, am doing my part for The Children™
I went out and bought some cigars this afternoon.
If you haven’t seen this yet, you need to. SCHIP Ad
On a more serious note, I gave Stark a “one kudo” award for a non-weasely apology (especially for a politician) — but I did leave him on probation knowing the nature of the beast. From some of the comments here, I’m guessing he already violated it?
#53….I’d have to disagree with the “one kudo”. Apology as far as I can tell means actually being sorry for what you did – not sorry for getting caught or called on it. As far as I could tell, Stark was only sorry for getting called on his comment, not for the comment.
Because it isn’t. It’s backdoor socialized medicine, and the Dems are learning – the hard way – that if they’re honest and open about their underhanded, socialistic, high-tax policies they’re going to get nailed.
Much like they trust their guardians in the MSM to protect them and play gatekeeper on stories, so too do they hope to pass legislation without letting the Republicans see the bill.
Imagine if the Republicans did that. Oh, the wailing and teeth-grinding that would ensue!
Let’s see, the liberals want to heavily tax an industry (tobacco), which they are desperately trying to eradicate, in order to fund an ever expandable entitlement program?
So if they can tax tobacco into oblivion, we all know where they will turn to for the revenue for this program.
I don’t know if Democrat “logic” is to blame, or their mind-numbed legions of supporters who allow so much wool to be pulled over their eyes.
Was just reading Charlie Rangel’s new tax plan. I see you almost “graduate” directly from SCHIP into a “rich person surtax”. Dem’s, working hard to make sure there are two Americas. Those dependent up on the government and those paying for it.
Really, Senator Boehner, are they playing political games? I guess that’s why they pay him the big bucks. Guess what THEIR POLITICAL GAMES ARE WORKING!
At some point we all have to wake up to the fact that these “political games” are accomplishing their purpose. Boehner needs to move this dialogue from the floor of the Senate to the media, even and especially the MSM.
No one but the political junkie knows that the Reps have an alternative plan and if a tree falls in the woods and no one hears it fall, then did it fall?
If the Reps have an alternative but no one knows it, then they don’t really have an alternative.
Instead, what they have is the perception that they are war mongers and heartless people who can afford to fund an endless war but not health insurance to the poor.
I hope at some point someone heeds my advice and the Reps put on a full court media blitz to properly explain their position on SCHIP and maybe next time,as good as she is, I won’t have to find out what the Reps are doing from Michelle’s site, but from the Reps themselves.
I have heard of the alternative plan on Fox News, think on Brit Hume’s show (Fred Barnes).
My question to you, mike volpe is: Do you think that the Drive By Media would allow the Republicans the opportunity to present their side?The answer is NO. A resounding NO.
And, we are presuming that the MessNBC’s and the CNN’s of the media ‘don’t know the Republican platform’ or position on the SCHIP. I think they do, but as they are really a mouth piece of the Democrat Party they are keeping it under raps for a reason.
Mike Volpe – I asked earlier and I’ll ask again today – what is the “soundbite” that will work. The media – any media – won’t broadcast/publish any plan no matter how well reasoned that takes more than a few words.
That is what makes the Dem’s “it’s for the Children” so effective
If Jesus has to through a congressional hearing to get approval, the liberals would want to know why he healed the sick when he knew he wasn’t a licesnced professional healer.
What a bunch of idiots!
#61 TY LMAO!
That’s just stupid. Joseph was one of “the working poor” I’m sure his family would have qualified under the old plan.
Has anyone talked to Rusty today?
#63 – Does anyone know if there is a patron saint of healthcare we can pray to?
Really? I thought “thou shall not steal” was one of the 10 Commandments. I guess it really said “thou shall not steal unless it is to pay for the health care of lazy parent’s kids”.
I have just about had it with these big spenders in Washington DC. They want to cure the world’s ills with our money. They keep trying every dirty cheap trick in the book to sneak their bloated spending bills through. Don’t they understand they can’t hide from us anymore? Thomas Jefferson was right about a little revolution being necessary every now and then.
My son broke his arm this last August, and needed surgery for it. We are insured, and I have been talking with the hospital (Children’s Hospital in Seattle) regarding the billing, because we do have a percentage of the bill to pay. We can afford it, because we – ahem! – have savings, but I did ask if we could break it down into a payment schedule to make it easier for us to swallow. The care analyst I was talking to asked how many people we had in our family, and then how much our income was. Apparently, we (a family of four) qualify for the Washington state SCHIP because we make less than…
$82,000 a year.
When I politely informed the analyst that no, we intend on paying our portion and leaving the financial aid for those truly in need, her question was, “Why? That’s what it’s there for.”
Yes, my jaw hit the floor. There are so many things wrong with this particular conversation that I can’t even begin to list them. But, apparently, I am a fool for being a responsible parent, having insurance, and being willing to pay my share.
Yes, because every Sunday we hear at Mass how Jesus told His disciples to “Go and be lazy; expect Caesar to care for you”…
Give me a break.
The citizens of the USA demand that mental healthcare be provided …for a complete mental/psychological accessment of every liberal congressmen and those disguised as Republicans.
They need it more than the children.
The left is really desperate when the call upon Jesus to help pass a piece of legislation. The only time the left references Jesus under normal circumstances is to insult Christians.