SoCal arson suspect killed, another arrested; Santiago Fire to be declared an arson
Via the LATimes:
Amid worries of new blazes adding to the firestorm already afflicting the region, a man in Hesperia has been arrested on suspicion of arson, and police reported shooting and killing another arson suspect after chasing him out of scrub behind Cal State San Bernardino.
Law enforcement officials said today that they didn’t know whether either of the men had started any of the more than a dozen large fires that have devastated Southern California in recent days, including the nearby Lake Arrowhead blaze. The brush fire in Hesperia was quickly extinguished by residents.
Investigators have said that at least two of the huge wildfires, one in Orange County and the other in Temecula, were the work of arsonists.
The confrontation that ended in the shooting death started about 6 p.m. Tuesday when San Bernardino university police spotted a man in a rural area of flood channels and scrub near the campus. University police tried to detain the man, but he got into his car and fled, authorities said.
“We don’t know whether he was an arsonist,” said Lt. Scott Patterson of the San Bernardino Police Department, which joined the pursuit. “What was related by the Cal State police was that they tried to contact him as a suspicious person in a brush area. Things being how they are, there was a suspicion that he could be an arsonist.”
The area near the campus had been affected by the massive Old Fire of 2003, Patterson said, adding that “it’s very fire-prone. It’s an area that would be very devastated if a fire were to start there.”
The man, whose identity has not been released, drove north on Waterman Avenue and up a dirt fire road into the foothills. When officers tried to take him into custody, the man began to ram officers’ vehicles, Patterson said. Officers shot and killed him.
CBS News has learned a task force of agencies, including the FBI, ATF, the Orange County Sheriff’s Office and the California Department of Forestry will announce shortly that the massive Santiago Canyon Fire – which has caused an estimated $10 million in damage – is being officially declared an arson, and a $50,000 reward is being offered to find the arsonist.
Investigators have identified two separate “points of origin” where they believe the fire was set, CBS News has learned. FBI agents secured the scene to “maintain its integrity.”
The Santiago Fire has burned about 19,200 acres east of Irvine, officials said, and it is around 30 percent contained. Six homes and eight outbuildings have been destroyed, with another eight homes and 12 outbuildings damaged. Four firefighters have been injured fighting the blaze and about 3,000 people evacuated.
California authorities and FBI agents searched a home Wednesday as part of the arson investigation.
The search was conducted in Orange County by the Orange County Sheriff’s Office and the FBI, the official said.
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California still allows officers to carry guns? Huh……I’m sure they will take the guns away from the police soon enough.
When guns are outlawed,only outlaws will have guns.
If it was arson, I’m glad he’s dead. I just wish he was tortured a bit by victims first.
I know this is not the right place to post this but: Heads-up Michelle. The Professor you mentioned on 9/21…Pausch I believe his name is? Is “responding to treatment”…according to my local news. Would you like for me to keep you posted?
I do notice that there is no naming of these suspects.What are they covering? I am betting a “protected class” , persons who the media has a tendency to avoid naming., otherwise it would have been released already.
Or maybe you want to see what you can find out for yourself? Local news is WPXI, WTAE, KDKA…all @.com or ThePittsburghChannel.com.
I heard on one news channel there was a “terrorist” warning to do this.
Just hearsay……
#4 mbruce:
The thought crossed my mind, too.
Since 9/11, I’ve often thought that multiple attacks of various types, in multiple, varied areas of the country, could possibly terrorize at least as much as, if not more than, one grand attack on one landmark.
Just ask the Filipinos, Israelis, Iraqis, Nigerians, Indians….
I am in no way attributing the arson fires to terrorists; I am in possession of no information.
However, I am stating that we would be foolish not to rule out terrorism as a possibility in the case of any suspicious event.
Who/what could breed a human being this disturbed and, well, nuts? Boggles the mind. Waiting for the MSM to do their job and get the word out as well. Our fearless leader needs some rest, it’s been a busy day for MM & Allah.
Don’t mean to be a little witcheepoo here, but it is quite interesting their are two separate arson fires started at relatively the same time…Meanwhile, National guardsmen are being pulled off of the boarders to help out…..
hmmmmmmmm
MBruce #4, BINGO. DING DING DING DING, We have a winner. (well jumping the gun, but if they were legal, I bet their names would be plastered all over the place.) Interesting drudge link today about Al-Qaeda planning something like this.
Countdown to someone blaming Bush/Iraq War/Haliburton for these guys starting the fire in 5…4…3…2…
One of the major fires in SoCal in 2005 that killed a few firemen was arson. It was set by an off-duty volunteer fireman who was looking for a little paid work.
I think he may be on death row now, which in California means life in prison, of course.
29 Victor, too late. They started that yesterday during the WH press briefing.
arson is certainly a part of the terrorists playbook. I remembered this being discussed in public several years ago.
It is consistent with the goal to disrupt, make us expend resources and generally inflict fear into the hearts of their victims.
Just looked on Drudge, and he posted a link to a 1993 article on the subject from USA Today:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2003-07-11-alqaeda-fire_x.htm
Harry Reid announced about an hour ago that the fires were the result of – - – GLOBAL WARMING!
Add another million from George Soros into Harry’s campaign coffers.
John Ansell
I’m talking about specifically blaming Bush & co for creating the state of mind that led the arsonists to start the fires.
29 victor, Oh, I see. I’ll hit refresh and the moonbats will be on it.
29Victor, I’m sure the Kos Kids are all over that. I would go check but don’t feel like reading through their four letter word diatribes.
Gayle, I heard that also and it was one of the Gitmo Geeks.
Oh Great Geraldo on the scene. Get the hell out of my state!
I have a newsflash for Germraldo, it would have been handled exactly the same way regardless of what happened in Louisiana, we may have loons here but our heads arent entirely up our a$$es.
See-dubya #12
Yes, and I here him and Scott Peterson are engaged.
Jerry Rivers is down there now? Have him spit on the fires until they go out.
Maybe Geraldo’s spit will help put out the fires.
Are you kidding? Germaldo is a wuss he wouldnt get that close in fear his stach would catch Fire.
oops, John and I must be on the same wavelength!
Harry Reid blames global warming for the fires.
Barbara Boxer blames Pres Bush for the fires.
How are they going to explain arson might be the cause of some of the fires? Another Bush conspiracy???
MM’s favorite blogging punks … something Pandagon or the like… well, they were all complaining about how the poor Katrina response was due to that the victims were black and all these San Diego folks are not. They were complaining about the festive attitude and all the food, etc. (all donated, voluteer, etc), but at the Super Dome they were poor black people and the Bush admin. didn’t care.
I’ve heard this before. San Diego is a relatively conservative town, and it is marked by the rabid liberals as a place to “take down.” They hate San Diego! I remember when we had a Republican Convention there, and that was all the MSM could say…how conservative San Diego is.
The fact is that the response to this immense emergency is well coordinated because of the 2003 fire (lessons learned), large military family population (well organized people with discipline), and it’s a conservative town!… my adopted home town. My wife’s there now taking care of her elderly parents in La Mesa. She drove down to the stadium last night (I’ll always call it Jack Murphy Stadium!) to donate comfort items (toothpaste, tooth brushes soap, etc.) She was turned away because they had plenty.
I’m moving back to SD next year! It is America’s finest city! Screw you, you big Chinese raccoons!
#26 – Heard from three counterparts in the SD area today. and I quote from one in response to my email: “Just kind of crazy around here but they are doing a really good job helping everyone.”
Look at what happend with 9-11 – You didnt see Guliani whining about Bush and Feds.
1 – That mayor had HUGE culpability for N.O. and lack of preperation for that storm.
2. FEMA was stuck under Dept of HS..with all the counter terrorism efforts going on…not a wonder things weren’t going so well.
but thats all 20/20 i guess.
New Orleans was a Cluster___k plain and simple they have no-one to blame but themselves.
AJ #28, A chocolate CLuster____k?
yes John, with Nuts!
I saw Geraldo spitting on the fire at his front line location!! What a hot dog!
Randi Rhodes is blaming BlackWater
Mike Malloy is blaming The Bush Crime Family
Just goes to show ya, Darwin was wrong!
HHHMMMM! CA I wonder if they legal or illegal citizens. They caught 50 illegals who surrendered coming out of the wooded are yesterday.
Well, lookie here. NOLA was a goatf**k.
RHODES: I started just doing Google searches to try and figure out. You know, arson, arson, it was like crazy trying to figure out why is that being downplayed? Why is that, you know, just a small part of the story? And you know, every time I look for it what comes up, believe it or not, is that Blackwater wants to move to San Diego and build this giant complex in San Diego right where most of the evacuations are taking place and you know.
Malloy
They’re not having electrical storms out there, they’re not having any storms at all. What’s causing it? But then the answer popped into my head, as easily as the answer about torture. The fires are being set, the fires are being set by elements of the Bush crime family. It’s a great distraction, it’s a wonderful distraction. And then I thought to myself, Jesus God! Did you really have that thought?! And the answer came back – yeah, loud and ‘effing clear.”
h/t Brian Maloney from RadioEqualizer
bear, aj…why does everything have to turn into a food discussion with you two monkeys!
I’m down with Feebz on the “boarder” angle. A diversion. The narcotrafficantes are no dumb bees. Plenty of gum balls too. Get a couple of soldados to take the fall, after their families are threatened with death to take some of the muscle off the border and put the region into chaos.
The timing was too good for it to be some pyro with an edgy feeling.
Smart money goes to narcotrafficantes. And they help Al Qaeda in the process.
Times is wierd.
Feebz
I dont even like goat meat. 
We Man, need meat..ugh.
The first death in the fires in San Diego was an illegal.
use fire , eat with fingers… ugh.
Actually, Feebz, i am quite the chef. Momma dint rayz no fool (in the kitchen)
Less and less meat these day for Bear1909. Once a week. The rest of the week, all protein comes from Muscle Milk.
…makes me feel like lion.
Back to topic: Randy “Road Kill” Rhodes is PSYCHOTIC
So is Hillary…
#38 – I hate goat cheese too. besides, they smell funny and eat paper….
#37 – A diverson, yes. but maybe a diversion to get a jihad cell accross the border un-noticed??? With all the caos right now and resources expended elsewhere…dare I say they could probably get in relatively un-noticed
(I am a bit of a conspiracy theoroist who needs to get reigned in on occasion …so take that for what its worth…)
and Reid
and Stark.
Back to topic: Randy “Road Kill” Rhodes is PSYCHOTIC
So is Hillary…
Life’s a B**ch, so don’t vote for one.
If they turn out to be Illegals please send the following Invoice to Mexico.
Invoice
$10,000,000,000.00
AJ- i’d settle for someone duct taping Fox’s mouth shut!!!!
Sorry CommentGuy #35, I read your post too fast and actually thought you were posting that as your own comment. I didn’t even understand some of the names coming out of my mouth. I re-read it and had to apologize.
#42- I no thats right!
AJ 48, and pin it to all the shirts of the illegals we will be deporting.
#45: feebz- roger that. what is so striking to me is all the loonie stuff that just gets left alone. for example, from two years ago when Mexican military were 200 yards beyond the wet border firing on US landowners- nothing happens.
The imprisoned BP officers. The porous borders and the prayer rugs. Letting Hamas and Hezbollah operate in the open in Dearborn and other cities (whatever happened to the armed Jihadist they found there?)
It’s happening right under our noses. It is as if there is an agenda to let the country get taken down.
To do what, set up a North American Trade Union? What?
Things are just plain wierd. And the giving away of war gains back to Hamas by Israel? With US approval?
Nuts i tell you!
and dont get goin on L.O.S.T.
If these arsons turn out to be Mexican Nationals, then we need to charge Mexico 100, 000, 000 barrels of oil they are sitting on.
I need more Ammo. seriously.
what about this one…here in Arizona, do remember this?
L.O.S.T
pass me the duct tape so my head doesn’t explode.
Joe Biden wants to rubber stamp that pig. He should be tied to a post and let Fire Ants serenade his beanos. Now that, my friends, is torture. The Apache way.
Never to be seen or heard from again…yet
#59 – I know, huh?
The two groups of Arab males were discovered by patrol guards from Willcox, Arizona. “These guys didn’t speak Spanish,” said one field agent, “and they were speaking to each other in Arabic. It’s ridiculous that we don’t take this more seriously. We’re told not to say a thing to the media.” A colleague told the paper: “All the men had brand-new clothing and the exact same cut of moustache.” Local ranchers have also reported a rise in the sightings of large groups of young males.
Last month, border patrol agents at McAllen airport, Texas, arrested a woman believed to be Pakistani, who was carrying a false South African passport. The woman, Farida Ahmed, is still being questioned by the FBI. She was travelling to New York, and admitted to having illegally crossed the Mexican border. She was still carrying a pair of wet jeans in her travel bag….
“My concern is, are we serious about terrorism?” said Sheriff Jernigan. “Or about homeland security? Because we’re turning loose non-Mexicans by the thousands. Entering this country illegally is a crime, and we’re turning our heads and ignoring it.”
The world is up-side down.
#60 – above post after first sentence should all be in quotes. its from the article off jihad watch. horrible grammar, yes but a plagarist…I am not.
#57- those are Jihadi troops. Estimates for the City of Fremont, with 38,000 Muslims living in little Afghanistan is that 1 per cent are jihadis.
380 men with Kalishnikovs and grenade launchers could easily control a 10 square mile perimeter that police could not penetrate.
There is no adequate domestic response plan. DHS has its thumb where the sun doesnt shine while the Joint Chiefs talks tough on Iran. We hit Iran the US will light up. It’s coming.
Let me rephraise earlier comment.
I need alot more Ammo.
Wasn’t that one American AL-QAEDA from SO. Cal?
We must “get to the gym” as Leatherneck once encouraged Gayle. These large groups of young males are the advance guard of the enemy.
Chertoff is not accountable for what he is allowing to happen. And now there are efforts in International Court to disarm Americans in America.
Who’s going to benefit from that?
Be ready and know where your allies are in your proximity. It is going to matter.
5 centuries of American “superiority” have left a lot of our population docile, insane, or just plain liberal- so much so that they cannot see what is happening before our eyes.
80,000 rifles a day get through the Port of Oakland. And no one is doing a thing about it.
Are those for the Raider fans?
AJ – put a sock in it… (wink wink)
he he….
Thing is, we need to stay sane. This day by day slicing and dicing of our security and our institutions is maddening.
For example, it is now illegal for a teacher in a public school classroom to use the words “mom” or “dad” without concurrently stating the commonly accepted terms that refer to couples made of two women or two men who are homosexuals, bisexuals, or “trans”gendered.
What is this?!?!?!!? Schwarzenegger actually let Maria move his pen hand over the legislation making this California law!!!!
A friend of mine, who happens to be a white lesbian living with her “life partner” and adopted a black son was shocked to hear this herself.
But it is just proving the point that NOBODY IS HOME! We didn’t hear about it until it was passed.
We won’t hear about the jihadis until they are shooting up the streets during our shock and awe against Iran.
aj- my Halofied Brotha!
We prefer sidearms, Dude.
Now why u wanna go pokin around a rantin old bear ennahow?
The officer is a hero for his action.
I should wait to judge, but if the name of the arsonist is not released for a day or so they are usually not American sounding names, ya know? Remember the Salt Lake Trolley Square Mall massacre? The guy who ran over the NC students? Or even the guy in California who ran over pedestrians. It took a long time to release the name, and not to notify next of kin…The list grows all the time, and the MSM are slow to release names if they are ethnic sounding (or if they are illegal aliens).
We’ll see if the guy is an apple-pie eatin’ NASCAR type who likes to play with matches while munching on pork rinds. Regardless, it is likely that the terrorists are taking notes for future Santa Ana winds.
Aren’t all the radical environmental terrorist groups based on the West coast including California, Oregon and Washington?
Without levity in times like this I would be toast.
Copy that, and just think how many tax dollars he probably saved for us. No tears over here…
yes tatters they dont like cold weather and snow.
AJ – another food reference, thats four today..
hope you are getting enough grub there in the desert.
Meatpie- #74 ya gotta good question there….blow away the urban sprawl….property is terrorism to those nut butters.
I’m not crying for the fool either.
Toast with smart balance buttery spread…..olive bread….omg….hungertudinal again
but tatters is his name.
oh toast ..nevermind lmao
I’m all for being “a Nation of Laws” but there is something comforting about a good cop with a level head and clear shootin eye.
they call him ‘tatter-salad’ – lmao…sorry….i had to…
Image: Bear1909 levitating as he follows the aromatic cartoon hand leading him to that pile of toast and a hot cup of mud java.
#85 tatter salad wiss lossa mustard
let me guess, the bakery up on upper shattuck? near chez panes (sp)?
All of you fine people enjoy the evening…. Tonight it’s Brats for the game feebie!!! later.
later aj.
#88 feebz- that is the socialist-anarcho-marxist bread collective. i go up to semifreddis on saturday afternoons at closing and get free bread (kensington circle). I haul it for the homeless dinner at Church the next day. Padre lets me take what i need for the week. One loaf of Olive bread……boy howdy it’s good.
did not realize it was the baaaaaad bread store. never been…just always smells super yummy.
what a nice bear feller you are for feeding the homeless.
i feel bad. on fridays, we have so many left overs at work (bagles etc). So I pack them up….and then run around hucking them at homeless peeps. I know it sounds terrible. But, hey, its a free meal, right???
See I have a queezy stomach. and they don’t smell so good. Then there is one guy that yells a lot. I figure, maybe they’ll deal with my bad throws if I give them the free food, a smile and a wave.
don’t need to become din-din anytime soon. tsk tsk…east bay girls sure are spazzes.
Well, your border security (In SD)as of about two weeks ago is reduced to bums on the beach reporting illegal alien Mexicans floating in La Jolla Cove.
I don’t have the link but can’t cut and paste on this machine anyway. OT- Picked up two more boxes of .45 ACP. One never knows.
Here in Cal. whole pyro clubs have been sent to prison.
I’m very curious who these arsonists will turn out to be.
Hope they have a water board for the one they caught.
But…but…but…how are they going to arrest “global warming”???
good for you, feebie. never let the food go to waste. There is acrew around here that i can whiff from six blocks….lol….whoooooo!
east bay girlz: now there is a whole thread on its own. but methinks it would be WAYOWAYOff topic.
Are they pyros?
#92: stack them boxes high and wide. we will be needing every round. this is unparalleled infiltration in our Nations history.
will we go down without a fight? or will we find it inside ourselves to save our Nation?
From all the posts I just read I think it’s time to take advantage of our 2nd amendment rights now!
nope, no pyros. just bad spelling spazzes.
ok, need to go home, cook for the man and take the doggely for a walkie.
talk to you later, take care…and
MWAH!!! lol