Comments on: Obama campaign hits the church circuit; Where are all the theocracy alarmists now? http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/29/obama-campaign-hits-the-church-circuit-where-are-all-the-theocracy-alarmists-now/ news and commentary from a conservative perspective Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:38:47 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: October, 2007 Archive « Right Minded Online http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/29/obama-campaign-hits-the-church-circuit-where-are-all-the-theocracy-alarmists-now/comment-page-1/#comment-399662 October, 2007 Archive « Right Minded Online Sat, 09 Aug 2008 00:12:48 +0000 http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/29/obama-campaign-hits-the-church-circuit-where-are-all-the-theocracy-alarmists-now/#comment-399662 [...] gospel tour Michelle Malkin has the details on Obama’s “three-city gospel concert series over the weekend,” and asks [...] [...] gospel tour Michelle Malkin has the details on Obama’s “three-city gospel concert series over the weekend,” and asks [...]

]]> By: two or three . net http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/29/obama-campaign-hits-the-church-circuit-where-are-all-the-theocracy-alarmists-now/comment-page-1/#comment-186862 two or three . net Tue, 04 Dec 2007 15:40:32 +0000 http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/29/obama-campaign-hits-the-church-circuit-where-are-all-the-theocracy-alarmists-now/#comment-186862 <strong>Candidate tours churches...</strong> Recently a major presidential candidate (who's leading in Iowa actually) came through my home state of South Carolina on a "three-city gospel concert series." One of the Christian musicians that was part of the tour told the crowd: "... the... Candidate tours churches…

Recently a major presidential candidate (who’s leading in Iowa actually) came through my home state of South Carolina on a “three-city gospel concert series.” One of the Christian musicians that was part of the tour told the crowd: “… the…

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]]> By: misterbee241 http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/29/obama-campaign-hits-the-church-circuit-where-are-all-the-theocracy-alarmists-now/comment-page-1/#comment-159990 misterbee241 Wed, 31 Oct 2007 16:02:21 +0000 http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/29/obama-campaign-hits-the-church-circuit-where-are-all-the-theocracy-alarmists-now/#comment-159990 Also, Jonathan, I reject replacement theology. That's only for "W" and Condi. Thanks, but basically you're telling me something I already know. Also, Jonathan, I reject replacement theology. That’s only for “W” and Condi.
Thanks, but basically you’re telling me something I already know.

]]> By: misterbee241 http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/29/obama-campaign-hits-the-church-circuit-where-are-all-the-theocracy-alarmists-now/comment-page-1/#comment-159987 misterbee241 Wed, 31 Oct 2007 16:00:15 +0000 http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/29/obama-campaign-hits-the-church-circuit-where-are-all-the-theocracy-alarmists-now/#comment-159987 Jonathan - go back and read my post. I never said Jesus came to take away the Law from anybody - He came to fulfill the Law. He Himself said not one jot or tittle would be removed from the Law. The Mosaic Law was fulfilled. Btw, Jonathan, is it ok if I use the New King James? After all the writers of the NKJV had access to older manuscripts the KJV writers did not have access to. And Buck I - I'm not picking and choosing. The same sins that were condemned in the OT are condemned in the NT. The only difference is, the ceremonial laws, the dietary laws, the civil laws, and the moral laws of the Mosaic Laws were fulfilled in Jesus. I cant keep 10 of them much less all 633. Jesus did that for me. I am under grace, not under the law. Jonathan – go back and read my post. I never said Jesus came to take away the Law from anybody – He came to fulfill the Law. He Himself said not one jot or tittle would be removed from the Law. The Mosaic Law was fulfilled.
Btw, Jonathan, is it ok if I use the New King James? After all the writers of the NKJV had access to older manuscripts the KJV writers did not have access to.

And Buck I – I’m not picking and choosing. The same sins that were condemned in the OT are condemned in the NT. The only difference is, the ceremonial laws, the dietary laws, the civil laws, and the moral laws of the Mosaic Laws were fulfilled in Jesus. I cant keep 10 of them much less all 633. Jesus did that for me. I am under grace, not under the law.

]]> By: Jonathan http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/29/obama-campaign-hits-the-church-circuit-where-are-all-the-theocracy-alarmists-now/comment-page-1/#comment-159490 Jonathan Tue, 30 Oct 2007 23:03:40 +0000 http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/29/obama-campaign-hits-the-church-circuit-where-are-all-the-theocracy-alarmists-now/#comment-159490 Misterbee241-#39, for someone who doesn't read in the bible in the original Hebrew (OT), or the original Greek (NT), you should use the KJV...and to correct something, Jesus did not come to take away the Law for Gentiles, (remember the part about the woman who wanted to be healed and he refused? Though, he ended up healing her because of her faith in Him ONLY...she was a gentile who had faith in God's Son; a Jew). The truth is he came and fulfilled at least 333 prophecies for God's chosen people the Jews...chosen to keep his word! All of Christ's disciples were Jews. As a Gentile, one must follow the Laws of God (OT) all 613 of them (which hinge on only two...love thy God with all thy heart, and love thy neighbor as thyself. One may not pick and choose which they want to obey (western replacement theology). One must remember that Jesus was a Jewish Rabbi (teacher)...and he taught in the synagogues on the Sabbath! When the corrupt Rabbis asked Jesus if he was King of the Jews, he responded, "Thou sayest", the priest then rent his sacred garment, thus ending the corrupt priesthood of those Rabbis and fulfilling yet another prophecy making Jesus the new Jewish priest. Jesus came to clarify the "Law", which the traditions of man had blurred. There is no part of the NT which is not a mirror of the OT. Gentiles are only grafted into the tree if they follow after Jesus, which in effect is following the "Law", otherwise known as the Torah. Replacemnet theology in the West has terribly obscured the truth of the Bible, it would bid well of anyone who truly thinks they know God to study the word of God more, the words of any man or preacher should be searched out for truth, and never taken at face value; lest you be led astray. For those that don't believe in God...just ignore everything I said, because until you can humble your own heart, you will never get over your doubts period, your own knowledge will always get in your way. Misterbee241-#39, for someone who doesn’t read in the bible in the original Hebrew (OT), or the original Greek (NT), you should use the KJV…and to correct something, Jesus did not come to take away the Law for Gentiles, (remember the part about the woman who wanted to be healed and he refused? Though, he ended up healing her because of her faith in Him ONLY…she was a gentile who had faith in God’s Son; a Jew). The truth is he came and fulfilled at least 333 prophecies for God’s chosen people the Jews…chosen to keep his word! All of Christ’s disciples were Jews. As a Gentile, one must follow the Laws of God (OT) all 613 of them (which hinge on only two…love thy God with all thy heart, and love thy neighbor as thyself. One may not pick and choose which they want to obey (western replacement theology). One must remember that Jesus was a Jewish Rabbi (teacher)…and he taught in the synagogues on the Sabbath! When the corrupt Rabbis asked Jesus if he was King of the Jews, he responded, “Thou sayest”, the priest then rent his sacred garment, thus ending the corrupt priesthood of those Rabbis and fulfilling yet another prophecy making Jesus the new Jewish priest. Jesus came to clarify the “Law”, which the traditions of man had blurred. There is no part of the NT which is not a mirror of the OT. Gentiles are only grafted into the tree if they follow after Jesus, which in effect is following the “Law”, otherwise known as the Torah. Replacemnet theology in the West has terribly obscured the truth of the Bible, it would bid well of anyone who truly thinks they know God to study the word of God more, the words of any man or preacher should be searched out for truth, and never taken at face value; lest you be led astray. For those that don’t believe in God…just ignore everything I said, because until you can humble your own heart, you will never get over your doubts period, your own knowledge will always get in your way.

]]> By: Chuck http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/29/obama-campaign-hits-the-church-circuit-where-are-all-the-theocracy-alarmists-now/comment-page-1/#comment-159381 Chuck Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:58:27 +0000 http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/29/obama-campaign-hits-the-church-circuit-where-are-all-the-theocracy-alarmists-now/#comment-159381 Where's the theocracy nuts, that's easy. They know if it's a Dimocrat he's fakin' it. However, if it's a conservative then LOOK OUT! He actually believes this stuff. Where’s the theocracy nuts, that’s easy. They know if it’s a Dimocrat he’s fakin’ it. However, if it’s a conservative then LOOK OUT! He actually believes this stuff.

]]> By: englishqueen01 http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/29/obama-campaign-hits-the-church-circuit-where-are-all-the-theocracy-alarmists-now/comment-page-1/#comment-159334 englishqueen01 Tue, 30 Oct 2007 18:34:21 +0000 http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/29/obama-campaign-hits-the-church-circuit-where-are-all-the-theocracy-alarmists-now/#comment-159334 I echo PJtips. Anyone who has a misunderstanding or question regarding Catholicism can ask me and I'll do my best to answer it. I echo PJtips.

Anyone who has a misunderstanding or question regarding Catholicism can ask me and I’ll do my best to answer it.

]]> By: politicalpartypoop.com » Blog Archive » Obama campaign hits the church circuit; Where are all the theocracy alarmists now? http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/29/obama-campaign-hits-the-church-circuit-where-are-all-the-theocracy-alarmists-now/comment-page-1/#comment-159311 politicalpartypoop.com » Blog Archive » Obama campaign hits the church circuit; Where are all the theocracy alarmists now? Tue, 30 Oct 2007 17:59:01 +0000 http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/29/obama-campaign-hits-the-church-circuit-where-are-all-the-theocracy-alarmists-now/#comment-159311 [...] Read the rest here [...] [...] Read the rest here [...]

]]> By: Buck I http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/29/obama-campaign-hits-the-church-circuit-where-are-all-the-theocracy-alarmists-now/comment-page-1/#comment-159276 Buck I Tue, 30 Oct 2007 17:20:33 +0000 http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/29/obama-campaign-hits-the-church-circuit-where-are-all-the-theocracy-alarmists-now/#comment-159276 PJtips: I appreciate your thoughtful response. Have a very pleasant day. PJtips:

I appreciate your thoughtful response. Have a very pleasant day.

]]> By: 30 pcs of silver http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/29/obama-campaign-hits-the-church-circuit-where-are-all-the-theocracy-alarmists-now/comment-page-1/#comment-159259 30 pcs of silver Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:56:24 +0000 http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/29/obama-campaign-hits-the-church-circuit-where-are-all-the-theocracy-alarmists-now/#comment-159259 Buck I, I'll pray for you. Buck I,
I’ll pray for you.

]]> By: pgtips http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/29/obama-campaign-hits-the-church-circuit-where-are-all-the-theocracy-alarmists-now/comment-page-1/#comment-159256 pgtips Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:51:24 +0000 http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/29/obama-campaign-hits-the-church-circuit-where-are-all-the-theocracy-alarmists-now/#comment-159256 <blockquote>If you wanna refer to the book in support of discussing Christian views on homosexuality. Refer to the same dang book to pull out other outdated doctrines and beliefs that you may find too inconvenient, or even disgusting to your current lifestyle and worldview. To do otherwise is cowardly.</blockquote> First off, I must apologize for the negative view you have on Christians. It seems that somewhere along the line, you've met Christians who have offended you in some way. Christians are sinners, every last one of them and it comes as no surprise that they could have easily caused people offense. However, I take it you object to what you see as an inconsistency - why is homosexuality still condemned while laws like mixed fabrics, food laws and circumcision are no longer practiced. This is not picking and choosing, rather it comes from understanding how the Bible fits together. The early Christians had similar issues. All of it ties in with Jesus, and how he fulfilled the Mosaic law. For example, Jesus taught about the clean and unclean foods, how it is not what goes into a man that makes him unclean. Rather it is what comes out of his heart that is unclean. In so doing, he declared all foods clean. The big question here is, how do we know which laws are done away with and which laws still apply? Many have studied/discussed/argued about it over the past two millenia and most have come to an agreement. A lot of the laws that were given in the torah were given to make the Israelites distinct from the peoples around them. The strict food laws, the Sabbath, the various restrictions were there to show that they were a holy people- holy meaning set apart by God and thus belonging to him. The most well known of these laws, is of course the circumcision. In practically all of his epistles, the apostle Paul explains that circumcision is no longer applicable because of Christ. The covenant of circumcision and the subsequent laws that were given through Moses are to be seen as outward symbols of faith. Since Christ fulfils the old covenant, a new covenant is now in place. You might have heard of Jesus speaking about old wine in new wine skins and how that will never work - he was talking about creating a new covenant. So what laws apply in this new covenant? The majority of "trivial" laws (food, etc) are done away with. Instead, Christians are no longer under the Law, but the Spirit. The majority of the letters in the new testament spell out how one is to live under the Spirit. Where does this leave homosexuality? Christians object to homosexuality because it is called a sin in the Old testament, and in the New. This has to do with the framework of sex that God sets out, in the beginning of the Bible. The Christian view of sex, is that it is made for people in a monogamous heterosexual marriage. Anything outside of that is seen as wrong, whether it be heterosexual or homosexual. Now homosexuality is never ever singled out as being a particularly bad sin. In fact, it is mentioned in the same breath as slander! Therefore, since <em>all</em> Christians sin nobody should ever sit in personal judgment over someone else and essentially be holier-than-thou. Because no one is holier than one another. You come across as someone who is terribly misguided about what the Christian faith teaches. It does not condone slavery, otherwise William Wilberforce would have nothing to stand on. Neither does it condone incest, for the Bible condemns all sex outside of marriage. Neither does it argue for segregation. That people down the ages have twisted it for their own selfish gain - for example by picking and choosing choice verses to make a point while ignoring the wider context - does not diminish the inerrancy or the value of the Bible. Yet again, I apologise for whatever negative impression you may have of Christians. We are sinners, and in our sin we sometimes forget that.

If you wanna refer to the book in support of discussing Christian views on homosexuality. Refer to the same dang book to pull out other outdated doctrines and beliefs that you may find too inconvenient, or even disgusting to
your current lifestyle and worldview. To do otherwise is cowardly.

First off, I must apologize for the negative view you have on Christians. It seems that somewhere along the line, you’ve met Christians who have offended you in some way. Christians are sinners, every last one of them and it comes as no surprise that they could have easily caused people offense.

However, I take it you object to what you see as an inconsistency – why is homosexuality still condemned while laws like mixed fabrics, food laws and circumcision are no longer practiced. This is not picking and choosing, rather it comes from understanding how the Bible fits together.

The early Christians had similar issues. All of it ties in with Jesus, and how he fulfilled the Mosaic law. For example, Jesus taught about the clean and unclean foods, how it is not what goes into a man that makes him unclean. Rather it is what comes out of his heart that is unclean. In so doing, he declared all foods clean.

The big question here is, how do we know which laws are done away with and which laws still apply? Many have studied/discussed/argued about it over the past two millenia and most have come to an agreement. A lot of the laws that were given in the torah were given to make the Israelites distinct from the peoples around them. The strict food laws, the Sabbath, the various restrictions were there to show that they were a holy people- holy meaning set apart by God and thus belonging to him. The most well known of these laws, is of course the circumcision.

In practically all of his epistles, the apostle Paul explains that circumcision is no longer applicable because of Christ. The covenant of circumcision and the subsequent laws that were given through Moses are to be seen as outward symbols of faith. Since Christ fulfils the old covenant, a new covenant is now in place. You might have heard of Jesus speaking about old wine in new wine skins and how that will never work – he was talking about creating a new covenant.

So what laws apply in this new covenant? The majority of “trivial” laws (food, etc) are done away with. Instead, Christians are no longer under the Law, but the Spirit. The majority of the letters in the new testament spell out how one is to live under the Spirit.

Where does this leave homosexuality? Christians object to homosexuality because it is called a sin in the Old testament, and in the New. This has to do with the framework of sex that God sets out, in the beginning of the Bible. The Christian view of sex, is that it is made for people in a monogamous heterosexual marriage. Anything outside of that is seen as wrong, whether it be heterosexual or homosexual.

Now homosexuality is never ever singled out as being a particularly bad sin. In fact, it is mentioned in the same breath as slander! Therefore, since all Christians sin nobody should ever sit in personal judgment over someone else and essentially be holier-than-thou. Because no one is holier than one another.

You come across as someone who is terribly misguided about what the Christian faith teaches. It does not condone slavery, otherwise William Wilberforce would have nothing to stand on. Neither does it condone incest, for the Bible condemns all sex outside of marriage. Neither does it argue for segregation. That people down the ages have twisted it for their own selfish gain – for example by picking and choosing choice verses to make a point while ignoring the wider context – does not diminish the inerrancy or the value of the Bible.

Yet again, I apologise for whatever negative impression you may have of Christians. We are sinners, and in our sin we sometimes forget that.

]]> By: Buck I http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/29/obama-campaign-hits-the-church-circuit-where-are-all-the-theocracy-alarmists-now/comment-page-1/#comment-159217 Buck I Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:11:58 +0000 http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/29/obama-campaign-hits-the-church-circuit-where-are-all-the-theocracy-alarmists-now/#comment-159217 I'm not the Cat that started the whole God and bible stuff on this thread. If you wanna refer to the book in support of discussing Christian views on homosexuality. Refer to the same dang book to pull out other outdated doctrines and beliefs that you may find too inconvenient, or even disgusting to your current lifestyle and worldview. To do otherwise is cowardly. If you personally feel that being gay in against your personal morality, fine so be it. Your good book is used to support everything from slavery, to segregation to incest. Spare me please. I'm not an atheist, I'm an agnostic, I don't know what's out there, or why we're here. Neither do any of you. Faith is not knowledge. I have the guts to say that. However, spare me the all of the mutiple standards, and salad bar ideologies. I’m not the Cat that started the whole God and bible stuff on this thread.

If you wanna refer to the book in support of discussing Christian views on homosexuality. Refer to the same dang book to pull out other outdated doctrines and beliefs that you may find too inconvenient, or even disgusting to
your current lifestyle and worldview. To do otherwise is cowardly.

If you personally feel that being gay in against your personal morality, fine so be it.
Your good book is used to support everything from slavery, to segregation to incest. Spare me please. I’m not an atheist, I’m an agnostic, I don’t know what’s out there, or why we’re here. Neither do any of you. Faith is not knowledge. I have the guts to say that. However, spare me the all of the mutiple standards, and salad bar ideologies.

]]> By: misterbee241 http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/29/obama-campaign-hits-the-church-circuit-where-are-all-the-theocracy-alarmists-now/comment-page-1/#comment-159117 misterbee241 Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:25:14 +0000 http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/29/obama-campaign-hits-the-church-circuit-where-are-all-the-theocracy-alarmists-now/#comment-159117 Hey, Jonathan - The Sabbath was given by God to the Hebrews not to the Gentiles. Jesus being the Lord of the Sabbath fulfilled the sabbath. The Sabbath commandment is the only one of the 10 not mentioned in the New Testament. And all the Feasts of Israel was given to the Hebrews, not the Gentiles, and all of them were fulfilled by Jesus, as was the Mosaic Law. That is why as believers in Jesus we are under grace and not the Law. And Jesus said there is only one commandment. As for what the Vatican does, not being Catholic, I cant say and it's none of my business anyway. All I know is in this country each person has a God-given right to worship or not as he sees fit. Btw - which version of the Bible do you recommend? And as for the blended cloth, Buck I - that's also the Mosaic Law that was given to the Hebrews and fulfilled by Jesus. I wear blended polyester and cotton and have no fear at all of going to Hell. If I get a scolding from the admins about this post so be it. But erroneous notions have to be corrected. Hey, Jonathan – The Sabbath was given by God to the Hebrews not to the Gentiles. Jesus being the Lord of the Sabbath fulfilled the sabbath. The Sabbath commandment is the only one of the 10 not mentioned in the New Testament. And all the Feasts of Israel was given to the Hebrews, not the Gentiles, and all of them were fulfilled by Jesus, as was the Mosaic Law. That is why as believers in Jesus we are under grace and not the Law.
And Jesus said there is only one commandment.
As for what the Vatican does, not being Catholic, I cant say and it’s none of my business anyway. All I know is in this country each person has a God-given right to worship or not as he sees fit.
Btw – which version of the Bible do you recommend?

And as for the blended cloth, Buck I – that’s also the Mosaic Law that was given to the Hebrews and fulfilled by Jesus. I wear blended polyester and cotton and have no fear at all of going to Hell.
If I get a scolding from the admins about this post so be it. But erroneous notions have to be corrected.

]]> By: englishqueen01 http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/29/obama-campaign-hits-the-church-circuit-where-are-all-the-theocracy-alarmists-now/comment-page-1/#comment-159017 englishqueen01 Tue, 30 Oct 2007 11:35:04 +0000 http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/29/obama-campaign-hits-the-church-circuit-where-are-all-the-theocracy-alarmists-now/#comment-159017 <i>I’m consistently amazed at the blatant and open bigotry toward gays on this board.</i> Where? It is the AGENDA - you know, like the one in California that basically makes it illegal to use the words "mom and dad" in school - no the people. It is the fact that tolerance is not enough, and everyone - even those who disagree or disapprove on religious grounds - must ACCEPT homosexuality and its agenda or be labeled bigots. That is the problem I have; not with homosexuals themselves - but with the radical fringe that thinks they are more entitled to "rights" than those who want the protection of the First Amendment. BuckI, I'd be glad to discuss Biblical issues with you, especially since so many liberals are so fond of (mis)quoting the Old Testament and treating that as the end-all-be-all of Christian teaching. It isn't. I’m consistently amazed at the blatant and open bigotry toward gays on this board.

Where?

It is the AGENDA – you know, like the one in California that basically makes it illegal to use the words “mom and dad” in school – no the people.

It is the fact that tolerance is not enough, and everyone – even those who disagree or disapprove on religious grounds – must ACCEPT homosexuality and its agenda or be labeled bigots. That is the problem I have; not with homosexuals themselves – but with the radical fringe that thinks they are more entitled to “rights” than those who want the protection of the First Amendment.

BuckI, I’d be glad to discuss Biblical issues with you, especially since so many liberals are so fond of (mis)quoting the Old Testament and treating that as the end-all-be-all of Christian teaching. It isn’t.

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